Guild Wars 2

Zepolak.2095:

AndrewSX.3794:

But try to understand ours: we spent our time and energies to build a community which plays differently and who aim to the top, we held our ground and worked hard for it, kept trying to improve and then what? All gets crushed, and not for our fault or your pressure, but from the above of Anet insane decision. And now it’s all gone.

It’s not a good feeling, i can assure you.

That, I think I can understand. You build it and it’s crushed by something you have no control over.

Just so that the discussion would be constructive, here’s why the debate is so hot I think : VS was built on pugs, with the idea “everyone is a one” and welcoming to newcomers. SFR, from the vision I have which might be wrong of course, was around the “guilds above all – pugs go away”-elitist approach.

People on VS can’t understand this attitude, it looks arrogant. People on SFR don’t understand the VS attitude as well. So some people on VS it’s “normal” that SFR is “punished” for not having been able to cope with something looking normal and even helpful : a mass of newcomers.

It’s like discussing Politics on forums. With the difference Anet can change the situation how they want. I guess they want pug servers.

Vizunah is communist !

You have a GREAT advantage though with pugs and whatnot. They all speak the same language.

It’s ALOT less awkward to follow someone you can perfectly understand, join ts with people you can actually talk to without the barrier of language in between.

It’s true, some guilds got annoyed at pugs on sfr, but we DID try. Many guilds posted pevepe ts in wvwvw map inviting everybody to join, people trying to lead others with simple orders as possible, but the truth is, when you’re all different, it’s hard to stay togheter. No matter if people joins pevepe ts, some don’t even know english, some understand it barely when spoken, some can speak a choppy english and some none at all, we don’t have the huge advantage of being united under the same language, and that’s a fact.

@romainette: Night capper still remains and they would kill any possible will to fight. /cheers

@grok: who knows, maybe in time sfr will be competitive again, you never know where the bandwagon hops rofl. Those guilds that left sfr cuz of drama and whatnot…are the cancer of the game, if anything, after anet, they’re to blame for this kitten we’re in.

Zepolak.2095:

If you really want it, I think it’s do-able to find the exact dates of everything, maybe build a graph, and you’ll see that the flow of events is coincidental.

I very well remember that week. People on VS were quite depressed, we saw that Anet opened the free transfers to SFR which was expected to be even worse for us (we were expecting to see an even higher coverage from both Deso and SFR, while we were already failing to win at night & morning). And nearly all the commanders were on their knees. Actually, at that time, the “new” Vizunians (LNM, among others) did a huge contribution but they were starting to burn as well.

Troma saw this and did a last of the last CTA. I think it was supposed to be the last one like “hey we did what we could but it’s the end”. I really was thinking it was desperate. I think part of the purpose was to be able to have a basis on which we would re-build. With the “we never give up” spirit.

We were no aware SFR was actually having problems with pugs instead of being reinforced by them. There were some rumors (basically the posts on the official thread), but I was thinking (and many with me) that it was some kind of strange propaganda.

Intention was to save VS, nothing more, nothing less, and I was thinking it was a lost cause.

I swear, as well, that it was my perspective.

As for the present situation, /sigh…

It’s a shame it ended how it is now. People fled from sfr and deso, vizunah going hard on the servers that were being abandoned and tore by internal fights (which again, thank you arenanet, we hate you with passion), just made people give up all togheter.

Thinking about it’s it’s like…what you didn’t want to happen in vz happened to the two other server in t1 thanks to the combined effort of vz and anet xD (no flame intended eh, as i said i respect the work you guys have did to pull in pugs and whatnot)

My bad then, i just interpetated phoebe’s words wrong

Witzard.6829:

scanz.4536:

Because it never happens? If Viz are equal numbers then they run away. .

Haha.
Don’t talk about things you don’t know, my friend
Especially if it’s the same as the “oh my god we’ve never blobbed, VS is the only server in the game blobbing” we heard before
I could tell you about the time we wiped groups 2x bigger than us with pugs. But how does it help the metagame here ?

ignore those post, they’re pure flame, every server had it’s share of blobbing.
Now tho when you see sfr or deso TRYING to blob vizunah at their own game, it’s just out of share frustration.

Troma.3250:

Phoebe we speaked about this ingame, and you know it:

before the CTA the situation was extreme for us. Arseus from MORT came back to help us with his leading, Edennae gm of LNM asked his commanders to play a lot, and many others commanders made sacrifice to tank a week more. We even think we were going to fall ! but when some commanders came talk to me and said “please, we are still here even if it’s hard as hell, do not give up” i thinked: “i can’t let them fall”

The only thing i could do for all them was the biggest call to arms ever done. Yes, maybe the actual situation is a little bit of my fault, but i took the risk. It was Vizunah or you. I’m full of respect but in this virtual wargame, i will always think about my server in the first place.

This was the right thing to do.

then again, he is speaking of the call to arms AFTER sfr broke down already, by then you were already in dominance and seriously in no need to beat up 2 dead servers even more.

TatsuKan.5412:

Lara Croft.5807:

A question aside adressed to Viz gamers… Are you organizing main TS in French or English? Also Baruch gamers: Spanish or English?

For Vizunah, we speak in French on our TS.
Why communicate in English when we all speak the same language?

Lara Croft.5807:

I just thought what it would look like to have more than 1 French server… ok now it is way too late as probably the majority of French players are settled there and got their collegues and relations there established…

Thought about what it would look like to get weakest server redefined to a French server or add just 2 new ones to the ladder for French players….

You should take a look at the server’s list.
There is 5 “French Speaking” Servers :
- Arborstone (Pierre Arborea)
- Augury Rock (Roche de l’Augure)
- Fort Ranik
- Jade Sea (Mer de Jade)
- Vizunah Square (Place de Vizunah)

you still prolly need to be distributed better or something cuz on t1 the situation it’s unbearable

We have queues and yet there’s so little guys for our server playing compared to the vizunah blob it’s just absurd lol

Angelyne.2936:

Keep “your truth”. that wasn’t a problem who plays at night when that was your side who were more. Deso never care about who doing PvD when that was US guilds who plays for them and SFR never asked why the map was all thier color at morning when that was russian who did the job.

That wasn’t a problem when SFR forum warriors was here to say they were the best of the world and they would send VZ in T2 or less. Disrepect, taunt, none of this was a problem, unless it’s not your side that barg.

You blame everybody for your fail but the right persons.

I use to respect my opponent, and for me it’s not all SFR in the same bag. and it’s true, what’s worked for VZ may not work for SFR, but the truth is that the game isn’t designed the way you wanted.

don’t worry for opponents, they are many, but ladder system don’t allow them to jump on T1 right now. SFR will have to fade few more weeks before they come to us.

And how much you think they will even try to fight vizunah? :\
I don’t know dude.

Why it always turns on to a vizunah hate war? xD
You can tell stuff to them without saying they’re shiet you know?
MAYBE they aren’t too good, i dunno that, i had similiare experience with them as people told here: fights even 1v1 that turned into a chase into the zerg/tower, or little skirmishes that always end that way, but eh, you gotta at least give them that their coverage and reaction times are pretty good, cuz no matter where, that lagblob it’s always onto your back.

Anyways:

I think what scanz has said it’s right: Nobody wants to play viz game anymore. We (medium server, sfr) don’t have the resources. Pugs at night are barely existant. Action it’s concentrated in primetime obviously, so there is literally NO way we can fight. Same goes for deso, that keeps being outmanned.

Be happy about your 24/7 if you want, but realize that it’s killing the game for the other people.
Also, what fun is there to fight empity keeps, i yet gotta understand it.

I wonder tough, is there ANY server out there that can even put up with vizunah? Props to them for handling pugs the awesome way they do, but…as it is now, they’re the most annoying and boring server to play against.
No offence, but it is like that, i don’t see anyone that could have fun with 24/7 presence zergfest roaming around. It’s tiring and impossible to handle. Imo obviously

Deniara Devious.3948:

SFR players don’t seem to be very smart when it comes to server wide strategy. If you look at
http://mos.millenium.org/matchups/#EU
it looks as if SFR would have good chances to drop to tier 2, but how SFR plays the game I don’t see it happening.

Right now they are they are spawn camping outmanned Desolation at VS borderlands. We have just couple of people and they have twice as much just outside the gates. In fact in recent weeks I haven’t seen SFR attack VS at all when Desolation is outmanned on SFR or VS BLs. Both SFR and VS are constantly attacking the outmanned party. This way SFR gains points and Desolation loses points.

Thus SFR stays in tier #1. Good for them.

SFR don’t blame VS or Aneranet, blame yourselves. ;-)

There’s not much the group of players of SFR that wan’ts to drop can do atm.

tita.6358:

Sovta.4719:

Zgroza Czarnych.6190:

If only prime time was counting vizunah would be at t3-t4.

Servers full of eastern players from russia and others or english players eating at 17:00 CET . gmt -1 and +2 +3 servers .
you’re so good between 18:00 and 21:00 CET. we don’t care: we eat, taking care of our family and watching news on tv! you’re playing against 1/3 of our full maps population rotating their afk auto heal dinner breaks not to be kicked out of WvW. sure they hide in our keeps waiting for guilds raids to start at 21:00 and then you go to sleep… and we start our “primetime”

your “primetime” superiority means nothing except in your dreams. actually between 18:00 and 21:00 CET you are fighting 30 pugs with no commander most of the time

bored to read the same things from eastern or UK players for over 6 months. you are living on a big round planet:

-time is not the same everywhere ! ALLO !
-your very own location on earth is not the center of the universe.
-not every country eat at the same hour for various cultural reasons.

“Primetime” means nothing in T1

we’re not discussing about vizuna being good or not.
We’re discussing about t1 being indecenty unfair toward 2 out of three servers.
And that the situation must change.

Avoid listening the flamers and let’s keep the focus over the main point.

After all wouldn’t be more fun to fight actual people instead of empity maps ?

Troma.3250:

ok the infinite loo kitten tarting again, almost 9 months after. We have no canadians or australian you can ban IP what you want with no effect. Dont ask me to be honest im always honest. Its french holidays atm so insane amount of nerds. Can we go back to the subject friends ?

I agree. Tough if we have to be completely honest, vizunah right now it’s an unfair matchup for any server out there most likely :V

Bah, it’s a secondary problem: right now what we need it’s a fresh rotation of servers. The ones we have now smell of old. THey’re annyoing and too much stable, we need to face different people.

I doubt that even you guys on vizunah are having that big of a fun by fighting two dead servers anyways.

Vizunah overpopulation it’s another problem but eh, that’s not the main topic.

Would fit more a human imo. xD

Bearball (warrior)

In making drama? sure.

yeah last night was good but…i just still hope sfr managed to get to t2, fighting vizunah it’s no fun anymore :\ cheers for deso tho.

Viralseed.9362:

The main problem I have with Norn animations is that they do not look strong. Norn were originally the strongest race in Tyria, but for balance purposes they must be equal. I understand that. However, most of the animations seem shared or similar to Humans (and Sylvari). I’d like to see some strong stances added to the animations. Have Norns wield greatswords on their shoulder and swing it with a single hand. At least then it would appear that Norns are doing it to “handicap” themselves into being of a similar strength to the other races. I’d like to feel like a wall of flesh, a juggernaut, the Hulk, etc., because I look like I should rather than a rehash of already used animations.

Exactly. Seeying my norn warrior running holding the greatsword in asura fashion and then swinging it with just one hand would be awesome _
They need to add much more weight to norn animations, they feel like giants plushies more than giant men (and women).

Also, fix the running with 1h, cuz holding the sword by the END of the hilt it’s EXTREMELY annoying ( just like with charrs male.)

I have the same problem. Too bad that most of what i’m missing it’s in the green areas and no way SFR is gonna be green anytime soon :\

It would be nice to have at least the sing of a mod/dev showing up to say what they think on the question tbh :\

Besetment.9187:

Desolation is going to lose 1.4 glicko points this week, after getting Vizunah curbstomped by more than 220,000 points.

They aren’t lying when they say this is comparible to Tier 8 NA. Desolation is trapped in a blackhole. At this rate, they can get curbstomped on this order of magnitude for the next 28 weeks and they will STILL be in tier 1. And thats assuming they lose by roughly 220,000 points every week (since this is par performance). If they have a “good” week and lose by only 150,000 points they will actually gain rating. Their only saving grace is that SFR is capable of losing alot of glicko rating and is more likely to swap places with a tier 2 server, which should accelerate Deso’s descent.

But to put things into perspective, Eredon Terrace and Fergs Crossing endured months and months of this kind of curbstomping at the hands of Sorrow’s Furnace. Anet had to intervene directly to stop this becoming permanent.

Ultimately, the scoreboard, server ranks and the matchmaking system need to be drastically changed. It really encourages the worst possible mindset for a game of this type.

Its ok to have ladder ranks and realtime score updates in a game that has even sized teams play a match with a fixed duration and strictly limited conditions for victory.

WvW is a persistent game where team size varies drastically throughout the day. This is not competition and should not be treated as such.

The best thing anet can do is publish data on the number of concurrent users logged into wvw by timezone so everyone can see precisely what server has how many people on and at what time. They should matchmake by nearest population size and timezone coverage with a limited shuffle so you sometimes play servers a little bigger or smaller than yours but not one where you would get totally roflstomped.

If you lose 400 players in a mass exodus its no problem, you just get matched up with lower population servers the next week. If you gain 400 players in a bandwagon jamboree, you do not get a month of curbstomping servers that don’t have a chance. You get matched up with servers that are closest to your size and coverage.

Finally, get rid of the scoreboard. No matter what, people want to win. Nobody wants to lose. When its your own ability determining whether you win or lose then its fine because your wins and losses define you as a player, and reflect your performance over time.

In WvW whether you win or lose is entirely out of your hands if you are in a match up like T1 EU. There is nothing Deso can do about the outcome and the game is effectively over the moment the match starts.

The best thing anet can do for WvW right now is remove this psychology from the game and all traces of the idea that WvW is a competition or that winning has any meaning beyond who has the most bodies in the most timezones.

Scoreless sparring matches against a rotating pool of servers with similar numbers is the only way to go. Do what you feel like doing in WvW because its a game and its about having fun. It is not an obligation to win or lose. It is not a second job. It is not months of getting curbstomped so you can get even a shot at a fair fight. It is not about being number 1 server in NA or EU. What does that even mean?

If there must be competitive scoring matches, then limit them to 2 days on weekends where people can actually afford to stay up late and partially compensate for lack of timezone coverage. The week days are free for alls for sparring/practice until the next competitive weekend.

And for the love of god, re-examine downed state/rally mechanics and eliminate the difference between non superior and superior siege so they can be balanced effectively (and not make arrowcarts shoot further than ballistas without a target or line of sight). At least outmanned teams can in some way offset lack of numbers with ability and coordination.

I know. The point is, vizuna is literally cleaning it’s kitten with deso and sfr x) That isn’t exactly fun, it’s a fight we can’t win (especially now that people got tired of fighting viz, while in viz there is SO many people they hardly get tired at all), we need a decent situation. Something that we can you know, actually fight.

I agree, Tier 1 it’s kitten right now. It’s not tier 1 it’s a a slaughterfest for vizunah to enjoy 24/7.

People gave up on it, it’s way too tiring to fight a server such as vizunah, yet we’re stuck in tier 1 for god forbid how much longer. It kills the will to play wvwvw, it doesn’t let people get exploration, it makes the game not fun to play at all. We need something to fix this, ASAP. SFR lost already too much…

But do mods / devs even care for wvwvw? I mean the situation in tier one it’s going on from like 4 weeks. T1 it’s not barely enjoyable as it is now, it’s just viz zerg literaly steamrolling through the map. All you try to conquer gets taken back in a matter of minutes, and every morning i press B my heart cries seeying the map COMPLETELY green. I dunno it’s depressing, it’s not fun, it’s not fair.

No hate for viz (well a little i gotta have to, they’re just crushing us from the past few weeks) but kitten i stopped entering wvwvw since it’s just most of the time a slaughter for the frenchies :\

Dayra.7405:

Air.3154:

Seems like you’re kinda missing the point.

The point is of course that the current matches stay forever, as the match-matching is broken. Now, that SFR is only T4 quality, but will stay in T1 forever, things became a little bit difficult.

With 500 gems you can switch to a green medium populated server and for another 500 gems you can switch back to SFR after a week (if you really want), but if you only want PvE on SFR you can immediately guest back to SFR as well. Not really expensive compared to the price of an legendary.

That was the idea, tough i’d have to get a decent green server and possibly be done with wvwvw once and for all. it kinda sucks tbh, i think i will leave wvwvw completion last, hoping that sfr drops a tier and gets the green.

It’s just annoying having to be forced to switch server: alot of the guys who have 100% either exploited the first period of the game (with the bandwagon of people jumping server to server) or are in a decent tier where stuff actually switches around. Now that jumping freely around is not longer possible, 100% completion while being on either sfr or deso become a kitten lot harder if not impossible,. forcing people to either move or hope for drop in tiers.

It’s stupid cuz this could be uber easily fixed with the colors actually swapping around :\ and not only based on the leaderboard.

Sevenn.3085:

SFR has had green 8 times, most recently 4 weeks ago. Seems like its your own fault.

Seems like you’re kinda missing the point.

Bloodwort MacFangho.4638:

I think every one who has gone for the 100% map exploration has had to overcome this problem.. myself included. I was lucky – the week that I had the chance to complete my 100%, Deso happened to own the last place I needed to complete.

The solution would be to have a neutral state. In the same way that players can stand-down from representing their Guild, Anet should provide a tick box in the WvW tab that sets a player as neutral. You can only tick (or un-tick) whilst outside WvW. If you are neutral, you cannot be targeted, and you can enter any keep.

The only adverse aspect of this would be the accusations of spying .. hmm .. not sure how to handle that..

mark everything gray on the map and not say where people you met is from?

Jeda.5209:

Ah, so you want legendary, but don’t have to work to get it. Pvers……
A simple search of the wvw forums would have provided you an answer, from all the other pvers who want things simple.

Sorry if this post offends you, but posting in wvw forums, where many hardcore wvwers post and complaining how it is so hard for a pver to get legendary is laughable.

Legendary weapons was suppose to be difficult to get and given to people who mastered all parts of the game. Unfortunatly, that is not the case due to people want something for nothing.

Yeah cuz obviously me being good at the game will make it possible for the server to start magically winning and getting points. Flawless logic.

It depends really as it is now in T1 you simply have no time to do anything before getting swarmed by a massive zerg x_X

No the point it’s not the hassle, it’s the impossibility to get it if your server isn’t doing good. I wouldn’t mind exploring it if the point of interest and vista were obtainable just by hanging next to the building and vistas around.
But the way it is now, you NEED to have the keeps to enter them and get the PoI AND vistas.
Color rotation it’s gonna help but you need to realize it’s still an absurd crap to go through. Pve exploration it’s surely longer but you don’t have to deal with something so “uncontrollable” like the server well-being in WvWvW. You can do that in the free time and with calm, nothing it’s escaping you or is unobtainable, unlike in WvWvW where if your server isn’t literally flooding others with zerg (like viz in t1 atm) you’re unable to obtain vistas and points of interest unless you’re in luck.

Yeah color rotation would surely help cuz seriously, i want to get a legendary but the wvwvw exploration was a massive kick in the balls.

I am only mostly missing green, and moving in t2 it’s gonna require a crapload of time still. It’s just incredibly annoying, why the hell put wvwvw in the exploration stuff! You can’t even explore unless you have the keeps, not to talk about the vistas inside the keep or even worse in stonemist.
I dunno it feels kinda of a cheap move.

So i’ve ran into a MASSIVE problem while going for the 100% map exploration: I’m in seafarer rest and we’re stuck in tier 1, been second from quite a lot of time, our color is NEVER changing from blue.
Green has like 90% of the maps ALL of the sodding time. I cannot even think of entering one of their base in the borderlands since they’re constantly under thier control and vistas are obviously out of reach as well.

How is one supposed to complete the map that way? Come on it’s stupid and needs fixing, or at least make the colors rotate and not based on your standing, me and people from the server that go for the 100% exploration now will NEVER be able to achieve WvWvW completion this way :\

And i don’t want to switch server only to complete the map …