Guild Wars 2

Ursan.7846:

I honestly don’t think you guys have a problem with RNG.

If it had a 50% chance of dropping, I highly doubt any of these complaints threads would pop up. And yet that is RNG. Would you still have a problem with that? 99% chance of dropping? (Still RNG)

If it was guaranteed, but cost 5000 Gems, would you be perfectly fine with that?

I think most of you guys have a problem with its low availability. Anet decided to make these items “hard” to get. Basically, these complaints distill into “I want this thing easier,” instead of “I hate RNG.”

I want things easier my amazing, round bubbly rear. We proposed stuff in this thread (or in other countless threads) about having to work our butts for it, but you guys seems to not understand it: RNG sucks in general, let people work for stuff.
If you don’t understand it, cya.

tiguere.3159:

Air.3154:

Lifelost.5627:

If this is the future of GW2 content, count me out.

Pretty much. They need to stop abusing rng. Either that, or middle finger to this sodding game.

They can see our accounts (Anet) and see how we are true to our word.

Crap content comes out that is restricted to unemployed and whale-type consumers, and they see that I have not been playing like I was last year.

This “Living Story” was my final test for them. The slow boring kitten start, (seriously takes 3 months for the Charr to declare war? bull), the drawn out nothingness of the content, and the finale with should have been the first patch months ago. There was no reason to drawn the content out. Instead, we should have had these months to do all of the content.

I had 12 days to get into the Molten Fac. Sorry, but I work and play games on my leisure time. I don’t live at the keyboard. I can’t afford to. Every 2-3 weeks is when I have freetime to truly play. This game does not cater to me. That drop rate was far too gone for me to even have a chance. Luck is not a game I play.

WoW, in all its cartoony garishness at least allowed me to get the special events done on the day I could play and I got my reward. Or the drop rates were high enough to logically say “I can get this after 20 or so runs”. Or, “this is really really rare… I might need to try next year”. All were valid.

GW2 though is a one-off that benefits those who manipulate the market. My friend is one of the ones manipulating the market. Buys low, hold the items, marks them up, sells high. He’s in my guild. Has stock piles of Halloween Tonics, SAB weapons, and now the Jetpack and Jetpack mini….

You don’t need to be good at the game. Anet designed it to be greedy. You need to be greedy to get what you want, OR you need to spend money to buy gold, through Anet of course….

Want to earn it through hard work? Diminishing Returns is there for you! Anet will stop you dead to force the gem store to work its magic….

Anet doesn’t seem to learn from the past that people want to earn things (Bauble Bubbles allowed this) and not fight RNG (Gem Store Keys are crap). All these sonic periscopes and mementos should have bought us our skins (like 1000 or whatever of them) if we weren’t lucky enough to get a drop.

Or our Laurels for the month the content is available in…

The only way I can honestly look at Anet as not a greedy money grab is if they make the time travel aspect in the Fractals of the Mists allow revisiting old content annually in a special “timey wimey” event. Imagine every Aug or so during the anniversary they have an Asura or Charr engineer messing around for 2 weeks, and you have that amount of time to attempt missed achievements or wait until next year.

Content is still “special” in that it isn’t repeating in the “world”, but it allows a short time for people to jam everything in the game into 1 time period. And, by the sheer amount, people would have to choose. “I can only do Halloween and Molten Alliance, and won’t have time for Toxx during the event.”

I mean seriously, how hard is it to make unique content but not screw over your playerbase forever time and again…. lots of solutions, and no action toward them.

LOLOLNO

or people won’t be “unique”.

Cuz obviously, having some selected few out of share luck being “unique” it’s more important that making things fair for the biggest player base.

OH WAIT i forgot, you can’t even say a word on the forum or you will be called a kitten whining to be"entitled" to stuff. Seriously, this community it’s rotten if they still give money to anet for this stuff. And i feel your pain dude.

Awr i would’ve really loved the “rallying flame” title, but oh well X)

If i understood correctly, previously finishing all the achievement from F&F, i tought you would get the Rallying flame title, did something change or it’s bugged or what?

Uh no, i see them maybe for half a second, then they’re just again a simple no-one to me.
being unique in a game works for delusional people that actually thinks that those skin makes them stand out just cuz they’re either something incredibly kittenedly long to farm or require a bit of luck in the scam-like game of black lion chests.

Actually it would be pretty b a d kitten to have an eyepatch for heavy as well, considering all helms are rather ugly =P

Point proven, people are stupid. GG, done with black lion for the time being.

gratz dude.
Just one question, how you found all the gold to craft not one but two lg? :V

Azriel.9237:

if you think running 300+ fractals and getting 1 warhorn and trident skin is bad, my track record is 500+ fractal runs, NO skins. So yeah, RNG works in mysterious ways.

RNG it’s just bad, especially with the absurd drop rate they gave to these skins.

it’s kinda of depressing seeying of both kodash and jade wants to stay in t2 lol

Unlucky? after people buys 300 chests and got nothing?

that’s just straight forward bs. RNG is broken, we don’t need it and we don’t want it.

Elitist kitten need to realize that having “privilege” items is killing the game, people quits cuz of that and they don’t realize.
Not that i expect much anyways, the community here seems like a bunch of zombies just taking in this rng robbery like if it’s all normal lol, somebody left theyr brains home.

Lifelost.5627:

If this is the future of GW2 content, count me out.

Pretty much. They need to stop abusing rng. Either that, or middle finger to this sodding game.

Henge.3907:

. Arena Net needs money to survive and when their mediocre town clothes don’t pay the bills, gambling will for now.

In they actually did decent content and started placing good stuff on the black lion (e.g. a real lots and selection of weapons and armor for a limited time at 600 gem each for weapons and 800 per armor set), they wouldn’t need to fall as down as to rely on gambling.

But that’s it, i said what i had to, this system sucks balls, not gonna waste another € on this game till they start doing good stuff.

SandraSolace.7682:

How is forcing you to do anything though?!

You yourself are forcing you and that really has nothing to do with the game or it’s mechanics.

If you want the skin you have to waste alot of money. That’s not fair, it’s not interesting and doesn’t make the skin any better aside that for some delusional guys out there.
Better rephrased like that?

And there’s people saying precursor should be even more rare /laugh

Kruhljak.2705:

Whether you like it or not, one of the cultural hallmarks of MMOs is that relative uniqueness is vastly more important to players, in general, than actual visual appeal. One’s personal status (they kittened out my original e-term) is measured based on rarity and value far more than how flashy something looks. MMO makers are, however, smart enough to meld the two more often than not to maximize their revenue.

You see, what you say it’s partially true and whatnot. It’s just its a bit of a stab in the back buying their game and then having to be forced to spend a kitten lot of money to get ONE skin in the chest. While some other dude got one on their first try and prolly didn’t even want it. I’m ok with stuff being rare. Just make it so you have to work your kitten for it, not like fused and halloween skins.

Henge.3907:

True story, I would like the skin less if everyone had it. I think they should increase the chance on their drop rates a bit, but it’s difficult to make your character stand out with the limited armor and weapon selections that are in the game.

News flash, you ain’t standing out any more with a fused weapon or a legendary. If i see you with a fused, i just say “lucky”, if i see you with a legendary i just say “goodforhimidon’tcare”
And it’s not true that it’s difficult to make your character stand out, if you need to have a legendary/fused to make your character stand out you aren’t just using the tools you’re given properly. There are some very cool armor and color combination, you can look totally kitten without having to win a lottery at their stupid chest game.

Obtena.7952:

Smooth Penguin.5294:

I farmed my rear off to craft it.

The irony is that so does everyone else that crafts it. You aren’t special. Legendary is EQUALLY hard to craft for everyone. I it should be made harder, then I think everyone with a legendary should have it removed and refunded the mats. Good for the goose is good for the gander.

I just say that TC needs to get off his high horse and thinking he’s special and lock this thread, cuz it shows that some people are really going nuts over being “different” in a videogame. Legendaries are fine, actually, precursors are not, way too random and hard to get, we play a game to have fun and have an objective.
Right now a legendary it’s the only thing that keeps people hooked to the pve side of things, make it harder and those people (myself included) would give the middle finger to anet and just send to hell the game.

Henge.3907:

So you post a thread and then attack people for posting their opinions that don’t agree with yours?

Not really. I mean, i really don’t care if their opinion is different. Everybody can think what they want after all no?

@Dude above: Really? That’s why you’re ok with that? To have flashy stuff that nobody else can get? So if like a skin you like would be used by a decent number of persons, you would like that skin less?

That’s the point, even another poster mistook my post for like desperate need of having those skins to be unique and prized. No. I don’t give a kitty about being unique or prized. I just like them. I would’ve honestly paid for those skins, who gives a french toast about others guys having it. It’s like…you guys seriously play to have just unque stuff over others? That reminds me the thread in crafting, a dude just got his legendary and wanted drops to be lower so others couldn’t have it… like if those skins aqtually make you more “prestigious” or “unique”: the only thing it shows it’s that you’ve been lucky enough to win their stupid lottery with skins, nothing more nothing less. :\

majessive.8910:

Did you mean me to be reasonable? Sorry, I didn´t want to go into length about that.
The players who have been there might know what I meant.
And did not want to be unrespectful – If I have been – here´s my apology!

You might have a commander who can tell people to stand back. If you have not – I never did say something. I don´t know the internal structure of Deso or how you organize your zergs.
Let´s do things better next time guys – You could have had Wildcreek Run after we captured it.
Never mind – things happen!

Nah your post was fine, just was saying that players here are a little part of the playerbase in wvwvw, usually people you speak with on the forum has developed a tought behind theyr way of doing wvwvw, while the zerg you met out there…not so much. I know lots of people that doesn’t care of who they fight as long as they kill someone, not even caring to conquer or whatnot, besides, some time happens to be double ganged by server. It just might have been an unlucky situation ^^;

majessive.8910:

Desolation, do you really want to fight Vizu?
Why did you have to zerg us down together with Vizu when we had trebs and deff setup in Rogue´s Quarry to capture Wildcreek Run?
Next time please use your brains!!!
Something like that never happened in T2 – When one faction was about to put a Tower back to wood – We let them do their thing and don´t attack them – and that goes for Elona, Jade and Kodash.
Well, if you think you have to defend Vizu, it´s your thing. But don´t tell us to focus on them no more. Or it´s just ridiculous!
I know that was only a part of Deso players, but it looked like your main zerg on EB.
Now we have taken Stormmist from you – are you happy now?
Really really makes us wonder.

Usually players with brains speak on forums and try to be reasonable. They have no control over the zerg tho.

silvos.3092:

Dayra.7405:

In the end, we can conclude: Deso please stay fighting till Piken makes it..
An EU, a German and a French server in T1 avoid any such possibility and represents the EU-ladder much better

That would be better indeed…And for deso too…They lost a lot of their strengh and I’m afraid they’ll get eaten inT2 if no one protect them a minimum(hopefully and ironically WL will fullfill that role). Would be better to leave them in peace while they rebuild…After all, the last server I saw dropping to T2 in a similar situation is now in T8…and we obviously don’t want another server to “die”…

That’s what’s happening to sfr, Vz giving it a final blow during the transfes, guilds bandwagoning somewhere else and bam, getting eaten in T2.
No fun.

If this keeps up we go into t3 next week xD

AND kitten GUYS come on i just need 3 points of interest in jade sea borderlands xD Too bad we never have the garrison in there >.>

urgh, the hell how you made all dat money XD seems like people have a magic hat to get those kitten precursor i barely get over 50g before spending ALL

We’re just in such a BAD shape right now x-x

Nemui.6753:

Air.3154:

Not to mention, it’s gonna take you little fortune to put it on the trading post.

I am aware of that. And I’d lose that money if it just doesn’t sell and i have to take it back off the TP.

But thanks for the input!

Update: Created the Juggernaut just now. I think I’m going to use it myself, as I don’t like risking another 100g.

hat’s off to you. Might i ask how you got your precursor?

Henge.3907:

Eh, I don’t mind the RNG on chest skins. It keeps them from being super common, so only the people who REALLY want them go for them. I guarantee that every weapon set that is released won’t be to your taste. The new eyeball weapons I think are great aside from ruining them with eyeballs and a Soul Edge theme. Not something I’d spend money on. I also really like that its now a token to get the skin you want vs random skin.

You like to get scammed i guess then. :P

Probably a long time: the prices are absurd and i don’t see lots of people running around with over 1k gold. Not to mention, it’s gonna take you little fortune to put it on the trading post.

Vol.5241:

Rouven.7409:

Mourningcry.9428:

(…)

Lol.

I thought the quota for BLTC/RNG rants for this week was already met.

Does that tell us anything? One can only hope that there is need for fresh blood to continue the chest frenzy. If such fresh blood lacks perhaps the scale will tip towards not favouring RNG-chests.

Not holding my breath though

It tells us that there are people out there with unreasonable expectations and entitlement that they deserve everything to their benefit only, without consideration that NCSoft is a publicly traded company whose sole mandate is to satisfy investors.

O’rly cuz you don’t think people would still buy stuff if they put it on the black lion trading right? As i said, i know more than one dude that would actually pay for AT LEAST 4-5 skins each time they put new ones, instead they don0’t even bother buying keys, and for a good reason.

Cuz it’s a stupid system, and who wastes 100$ on keys is mental, since they don’t realize they’re basically “GO ON WE LIKE THIS SYSTEM!”
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Jeez i don’t get you people, seems like you just like to hurt yourselves sometimes.

lol the beginning of the night it’s sucky, we lost every single bl in an oscene way. But on the other hand i finally finished eb c:

carlvinmadarang.4130:

Are they? I want to know before I spend money on 10 keys.

Don’t give them money on a idiotic mechanic. Or they will keep doing this.

Seriously. STOP IT.
We paid your game. We want those skins, but we don’t want them to be a CRAPPY RNG BASED KITTEN!
SERIOUSLY. I would’ve bought at least 3-4 fused weapons skins, instead they put them into those stupid black lion chests with a ridiculously low chance of dropping (i opened +/- 15 of those from dropped keys and bough ones and got not even one), it sucks and nobody frigging like it.
We want stuff to be fair kitten it, personally, it’s the last time i buy anything on the gem store untill they start making stuff fair and whatnot.

Grok.6714:

Nah, they gonna go Visunah. Assyl finally decided to join GC

lol rly? :B

Firegoth.6427:

Air.3154:

Firegoth.6427:

Air.3154:

Only one thing: i wanna make a twilight, the only thing it’s Literally killing me it’s dusk :\ i will NEVER have 650g do waste on ah, and i burned over 800k karma trying to do it on the mystic forge… how the hell did you guys got your precursors?

Bought.

Which I’m about to do in a week with Dusk as well.
Don’t start a legendary if you don’t have the stomach for it.

Actually, it’s not the stuff needer for it that it’s being eh, it’s only the precursor lol

Yes but many people start on this legendary journey, reach 50% and after they got all the required gifts they stop and think a precursor will fall right into their hands.

The precursor might be 1/4th of the recipe, but it doesn’t have to be taken literally as 25% of the legendary’s price. It is in fact 50% of it. (for popular ones)
So you got 50% done, why refuse to work towards the other 50% the same way you got all the gifts? It requires exactly the same amount of work.
Or paying 600g in one bulk is too much to digest for one item? is that the issue here?

Btw, I’m not attacking you or anything, just putting this out.

It’s even reaching that sum that it’s kind of devastating. I dunno,, how you get all those golds, cuz i barely make like 2 gold per day… :v is there any trick to make kittenloads of money that i’m not aware of? (i don’t use the ah often) i mean, i can barely reach 20g before tossing them in stuff i need and all :\

It’s like…the precursor is the “only” thing that worries me, the rest takes time, sure but you KNOW for certain how to do it. A precursor on the other hand, it’s something you need to be EXTREMELY lucky to get by pve/chests, or either save an ABSURD amount of money for it. I dunno, if you know how to make money tell me cuz that’s the worst part of it xD

Firegoth.6427:

Air.3154:

Only one thing: i wanna make a twilight, the only thing it’s Literally killing me it’s dusk :\ i will NEVER have 650g do waste on ah, and i burned over 800k karma trying to do it on the mystic forge… how the hell did you guys got your precursors?

Bought.

Which I’m about to do in a week with Dusk as well.
Don’t start a legendary if you don’t have the stomach for it.

Actually, it’s not the stuff needer for it that it’s being eh, it’s only the precursor lol

Only one thing: i wanna make a twilight, the only thing it’s Literally killing me it’s dusk :\ i will NEVER have 650g do waste on ah, and i burned over 800k karma trying to do it on the mystic forge… how the hell did you guys got your precursors?

And you can use only 1 skill x)

Grok.6714:

On what server are you playing air?

SFR, even during the “flood” of people coming i never had more than 15 min queue. Yeah the skillag is an issue but eh.

Danielle.3152:

Yaro.3251:

Meesor.7243:

And there is no blobbing or skill lag there huh? Good one.

I didn’t say that. It’s not black and white, you know.

Ofc there is blobbing and skill lag, but largest blob I met in t3-t4 was 70 people, while I was meeting 100 blobs in t1 on a daily basis. Furthermore most guild in t3-t4 make an effort (sometimes they fail) to not blob. While the mantra in the T1 I left from both Desolation and Vizunah was “We gotta blob to win the matchup”.

So yes, all the issues that existed in T1 still exist in lower tiers, however to a much lower extent. Including blobbing and skill lag (To me they are almost the same thing as one causes the other)

And if you arent in one of the many that ran away because of losing to viz, then why are you arguing about it with me? GH isn’t the only guild on this forum.

It should have been clear from my first or second post. But I can rephrase it: You was not specific.
If you have something against specific players/guilds, go ahead and address them directly. Though I suppose that would be borderline against forum CoC.

Many guilds left T1 each had it’s different reasons. First of all the skill delay and lag due to what the game was like took a heavy toll on the rosters of most guilds. This meant that many national guilds had to transfer to servers that have an active community that speaks their language in order to rebuild and recruit again. Some just didn’t want to play within an environment where so much blobbing and skill lag was present, others just wanted to play the game with less queues. Others left simply because other guilds left so all they had left to fight on an average night were arrow carts.

The picture of why each different guild from either SFR or Desolation left this tier or quit the game is complex, it’s not as simple as Vizunah are winning, we leave. In fact like 1/2 guilds that left from SFR actually left before the SFR winning streak ended. But at the end of the day, in-game mechanics like queuing, skill-lag and small maps that encourage blobbing are the root cause.

It depends on your interpretation of causality here, but I would argue that guilds leaving caused the matchup to be imbalanced, not that the matchup imbalance caused the guilds to leave. Personally I am surprised more Vizunah guilds haven’t given up on the game/this matchup given what it must have been like for them in the last few weeks …. insane queues and few people to fight, little hope for matchup change …

Anyway onwards we go to page 100!

Isn’t that what it’s been told already? the crap we’re sinking in now, it’s both fault of anet with thier free transfer, but on the same levels of the guilds leaving.
And come the kitten on, queues aren’t that big of a deal. Viz can face hours of queue, our guildies can’t face 10-15 min queue? Bah.

Yaro.3251:

Air.3154:

whatever, they left cuz of the free transfer, instead of growing balls to deal with the situation, they just said “bye”.

I can’t talk for all who left SFR/Deso (and from the fact that Deso didn’t suffer from free transfer invasion but pretty much on edge too, you should get the idea that free transfers weren’t the root cause), but GH left for simple reason – the game in T1 wasn’t fun anymore because of skill delays.

There is challenge and there is bullkitten. Gotta separate these two. When the [aspect of the] game community is formed around starts to kitten balls for a lot of community members, there’s no point anymore. When “mah skills no work!” is THE memory that every raid leaves, I’m asking myself: "OK, I like our community, I love to socialize with these people, but should I “grow [some imaginary] balls” and pretend that I still like this kitten and that there’s some higher cause that is worth to be the reason of me suffering by not enjoying the game every kitten second? No, that’s just silly.

Personal skill and organizational challenges? Tough opponents? Ups and downs? Hell yeah, bring more!

Game being not fun because of kitten engine limitations? Sorry, I’m not a masochist.

It’s not that we are bandwagoners/hoppers, we waited and waited and tried to find ways to avoid these numbling dumb downs that are [often map-wide] skill delays. We tried hard for long time to keep as part of community we love so much. But failed. Delays won.

P.S. Funny how this forum red-flags “dahmn” but leaves “hell” alone. Oh, and btw, all “kittens” in my message except this one are original.

I know right, writing kittens gets extremely addictive after a while.

And i see your point of view but that’s what the thing made you appear like, cuz you’re moving tier, prolly along with the other guilds that populated t1 (that i don’t know, nor i do care it’s just speculation right now don’t take me too seriously) just to go into another matchup, prolly do the same thing that happened in sfr and climb and get stuck again just to leave again…or no? shrugs

Or guilds from sfr are going separate ways and whatnot. shrug i don’t really know

The only thing for certain it’s we don’t like the game’s anet’s playing, with the tier being static, huge lags in more populated tiers and appartenly totally out of the blue updates, nerfs and buffs (honestly, it took me quite some time to figure out wth changed in warrior last patch, anet l2write patch notes like everybody and stop making up weird kitten terms on the spot)

Cameirus.8407:

DevonCarver.5370:

We are trying to do some things to make the matchups move around more and should have more detailed information in the near future. However, one thing to remember is that if there is one server that is defeating everyone so handily, changing the matchup is just going to let that server beat up on different people. Which is probably better, so long as those people don’t get stuck there too. Regardless, we know this is a problem and we are working on it.

Mixign up the fights is good, but I cant really see any solution to one server dominating. The reasons for VS steamrolling other servers are outside of Anets control. Its a result of the player base and how we have ended up playing.

that pretty much sums it up. mixing fight it’s a temporary solution before even other servers outside of deso and sfr starts to avoid fighting Viz at all :\

Nymph of Meliai.6739:

Air.3154:

Nymph of Meliai.6739:

Hickeroar.9734:

I would suggest a roughly 50% discount on transfers when moving to a server that’s lower in the placement from your own.

For instance: JQ transfers to Mag would only cost 800 gems. I say 800, because that’s an even $10 purchase.

This would encourage auto-balancing.

NO!!!! We moved to RoS because SFR got flooded by bandwagon pugs who would not listen in WvW, stand around afk, do the jp and map points during prime time, and generally increased ques while doing nothing beneficial for the server. Free transfers killed SFR… so please NO MORE FREE TRANSFERS… or even half price ones – unless it is to Vabbi where half of those pugs belong.

The last thing we want is the same people jumping ship and spoiling the servers we are currently helping to build. A few people and guilds here and there, great. But a whole mass jumping at once will just create the same problems that hit SFR elsewhere.

Dude along with anet YOU guys killed the server by leaving there to rot instead of moving your kitten to try and do something, so shut the kitten up please -.-

WOW… says a lot about SFR if the move of VcY and RiOT were the cause of it losing to Viz. Are you suggesting that these two guilds were the sole reason SFR was winning T1? Are you not forgetting that RG, OSC, and WT(FIRE) all left before we moved. Your post shows great disrespect to ZDs too… who I (and many others) considered to be one of the best WvW guilds on SFR.

We moved because the skill lag was a joke. When you get beat in a 1v1 because you are unable to use any skills because a blob is fighting on the opposite side of the map (not near you)… then you have two choices… either quit playing or move servers.

I am referring to ALL the guild that just left the server to rot. It’s disripectfull for anyone that enjoyed helping getting to the top, fighting to be on the top and then, cuz a mistake (a big one, and like MOST of the blame lies there) from anet ruined the server. It wasn’t beyond salvage, all it took was maybe a little bit of more effort and time, instead i’ve seen people threatening pugs to leave the borderlands to make guildies come and other kind of crap, some tried to help other kept kittening around cuz of the new guys instead of actually doing anything.
I know that playing with lag it’s frustrating, but i don’t know it just feels like a cheap move to leave the server you fought for in the climb to the top.

Try to take the part of the guys that actually stayed on the server, it was just a massive kittenslap seeyin all those guids move and abandon the rest after getting us stuck in t1.

I’ve been a bit too harsh with words, but trust me it’s frustrating seeying so many just abandon you on the road of vizunah’s steamrolling.

Nymph of Meliai.6739:

Hickeroar.9734:

I would suggest a roughly 50% discount on transfers when moving to a server that’s lower in the placement from your own.

For instance: JQ transfers to Mag would only cost 800 gems. I say 800, because that’s an even $10 purchase.

This would encourage auto-balancing.

NO!!!! We moved to RoS because SFR got flooded by bandwagon pugs who would not listen in WvW, stand around afk, do the jp and map points during prime time, and generally increased ques while doing nothing beneficial for the server. Free transfers killed SFR… so please NO MORE FREE TRANSFERS… or even half price ones – unless it is to Vabbi where half of those pugs belong.

The last thing we want is the same people jumping ship and spoiling the servers we are currently helping to build. A few people and guilds here and there, great. But a whole mass jumping at once will just create the same problems that hit SFR elsewhere.

Dude along with anet YOU guys killed the server by leaving there to rot instead of moving your kitten to try and do something, so shut the kitten up please -.-

As much as you wanna put it on the war side of things, this is a frigging game: We play to have fun. Fighting vizunah atm, aside all the motivational speach and people trying to explain stuff, it’s boring and frustrating, it’s no fun at all and people wanna avoid you guys despite all the wonderfull gvg action your guilds can provide. And this is not good for the game, cuz people leaves cause of this.

Let’s put an example. If i play dota, and i lose a game BADLY with scores like 10 -40 for the enemy team, it’s not fun. But it’s ok! Cuz it’s at most one hour spent on the game, it’s not like i’m constantly gonna face the same enemies over and over. I will have good matchups, matches in which i literally roflstomp people, and amazing matches fought till the end, which makes the game a hella fun.

Guild wars on the other end, gets boring fast, the conflict it’s always about the same groups of people fighting each other, it’s LITERALLY a waste of time, like if EVERY match of dota i played i ended up ahgainst the same 5 guys that keep steamrolling me every time. It could be much more fun if it had a better rotation, just spicying up the fights, but like this? not really.

I dunno fi i explained the concept well, but eh.

Grok.6714:

Air.3154:

@romainette: Night capper still remains and they would kill any possible will to fight. /cheers

@grok: who knows, maybe in time sfr will be competitive again, you never know where the bandwagon hops rofl. Those guilds that left sfr cuz of drama and whatnot…are the cancer of the game, if anything, after anet, they’re to blame for this kitten we’re in.

No guild left SFR because of drama.

whatever, they left cuz of the free transfer, instead of growing balls to deal with the situation, they just said “bye”.

DevonCarver.5370:

We are trying to do some things to make the matchups move around more and should have more detailed information in the near future. However, one thing to remember is that if there is one server that is defeating everyone so handily, changing the matchup is just going to let that server beat up on different people. Which is probably better, so long as those people don’t get stuck there too. Regardless, we know this is a problem and we are working on it.

You know that also, the problem of the server defeating everyone so handily will kill the competition in wvwvw right?
I honestly don’t care much as long as we avoid having static and stinking match ups like in t1 atm, just wanna point out that if vizunah doesn’t change, every match up they will have will be something like “oh it’s vizunah who cares let’s skip this week”.
[again no offense to any of the viz players around the forum and stuff eh]
It’s happening already on both deso and sfr, and seems to be the “common” opinion around ( correct me if i’m mistaken).

But yeah thanks for the answer, it’s nice to know you’re at least reading of the issue

Lelith.2916:

Lara Croft.5807:

Repuran.1859:

Lara Croft.5807:

Repuran.1859:

Viz going to take the blame for the death of EU T1 yet?

…or are the opponents to take the blame of not being strong enough, maybe?

God knows…. best would be to find a solution, not to blame, no?

Not at all, in peak times weekends/6-9pm Vizu are usually behind Deso or SFR but then you come back in the morning and Vizu have almost every tower/keep it’s a EU server so why do you have nightcappers which outnumber SFR and Deso night time players combined…

Vizu also create lag in almost every battle they enter these days its just pathetic.

Well let me be more precise then… why do opponents not have recruited enough nightshifts to defend/attack Vizunah better?

We hve to be up for work, fmily etc.. and no.. that is not meanig VS players don;t have these concerns… But more importantly Deso plays to have fun, no one wants to stay on at night. Personally i have been doing 6pm-3-5am shifts for the last few months, and it just takes it out of people.. This leaves the only option left which is try and bring NA guilds onto the server to have some presence at night, and everytime that has happened we get the usual VS moaning about it. Now with the current state of T1 no guild.. NOT A SINGLE ONE ANYWHERE, will come to T1. VS is a product of it’s own success. By being so unwilling to compromise, so unwilling to even listen to the other 26 servers in this region, you hav eturned yourselves into server that is undoubtedly the best at winning, but what has it got you.. tier that no one wants to even play in, and although I would never accuse you of destroying this game singlehandedly, you certainly have not helped it in any way, shape, or form.

/ topic more or less.

Zepolak.2095:

Lelith.2916:

Exactly…. so VS have to also work with the idea of trying it.. I understand your TS is down at the moment so pugs are following so close to commanders, well how about.. run without a commander tag up.. we have been doing that for months..

Small correction here : the new TS is up and running again
(Was a long story and the TS FM guild has lent to the community for months didn’t survive the attacks. The one GHO & Len Ny have lent is much more resilient to that kind of bad behavior.)
But “amazingly few” people use it. I guess there is a need of a pressure to feel obligated to go there.
Right now, since the matchup is won since day 1, I fear people log to get as much WXP as they can and that’s pretty much it (and here the design is to blame : the fact the WXP of a kill is given to everybody, well…)
When I log, it’s during primetime and I hope for balanced fights, scissors-movement and stuff like this with my 15-25 warband. But it’s hard to get.

Anyway I agree we should do something to try and get a pleasant game for everybody. Small warbands was the natural format of VS at the very beginning (for various reasons) but it was a bad format to face what the opponents we had. So I guess there should be a way to come back to this.

But everybody has to bear the fact it will take quite some time. Especially since it’s easy to call your mates when your are losing a 20vs25 (and it becomes a 40vs25 then a 40vs60, etc… You see what I mean).

So we can all try to do this, but it’s a long way. Long long way.

even with small organizzed groupping then the server with the best coverage would still kitten the others, in your case, viz would win again by attrition.
Skirmishes are fun, but not when you fight for nothing. Capturing stuff and then coming back the morning to find all captured by viz, it’s just demolishing people morale. ._."

The problem with small groups is that you’re fairly slow at conquering stuff and considering how vizunah’s zerg is reactive, you will find yourself crushed in no time most of the time x_X

AndrewSX.3794:

It’s true, some guilds got annoyed at pugs on sfr, but we DID try. Many guilds posted pevepe ts in wvwvw map inviting everybody to join, people trying to lead others with simple orders as possible, but the truth is, when you’re all different, it’s hard to stay togheter

Adding in: one of the problems was that the average pug quality (which was very good, most ppl used to T1-T2 wvw, good knowledge of builds/profs/maps, following on ts public commanders etc) went down the cliff with influx of ppl that maybe until the day before played their best wvw on T7 (no offence to T7 or lower tier, but it’s a different wvw, i think everybody agrees).

With “bad” pugs in, guild raids and “good” pugs locked out, well, things couldn’t turn good.

especially when pugs are extremely kitten y, they wanna do what they want to, and if a commander fails you see a huge torrent of hate flowing on the poor commanders.
That’s also what different language means, you tend to care much less for others, respect ends below your feet, while it would never happen speaking the same language. And i know alot of people this way.