Why do you call your guild “Good Fights” when the vast majority of you just run thieves and mesmers with berserker gear? I mean, you guys are generally good players, but super uninteractive burst builds are hardly what I’d called good fights…
Noticed the same thing, still enjoyed them but every time you downed one it was covered with a refuge from one of the thieves. We brought an engineer after that and it was fairly easy, just nuked the refuge with grenades.
I don’t really understand what we’re apologizing for. I see a bunch of maguuma and ehmry bay complaining about how much FA there is which isn’t something we can help.
FA’s solution to a problem is to bring more people. I guess that’s what happens when you’ve been in T2 for so long. At least Ehmry Bay has respectable groups who don’t engage you when they see you 1v1(except that kitten Rekz d/d ele who waited for me to stomp an FA at 3k health before stomping me).
Props to the GF thief on Mag BL you were good.
I guess maguumas solution when they’re unhappy about something is to do as much trash talking on the forums as possible?
This reminds me of people who burst out laughing at jokes that aren’t really funny. But in all seriousness, come play with us at the windmill. Even if you think we’re trash (because you’re brilliant players), it’s a game and we’re all here to have fun.
Your kittens will still be intact, I promise!
What did you expect from them? xD
Thanks [Corp] for the duels. That engie is toughhh to beat. :X
Which is why they need to make it a set % of the damage dealt to the opponent by an attack (not condition). Why should I be taking 394 damage from retaliation when I’m only doing 232 damage to the enemy?
Because then warriors and thieves hitting for 10k would complain.
People should be able to use a skill and receive some consequence as a result of that use. But wouldn’t you agree that if the consequence was greater than the initial attack, it could be considered unbalanced?
I think they should lower the number of sources you can receive retaliation damage from, but nerfing the damage and duration AGAIN is not the answer.
Don’t know what anyone else said but the solution is you stop attacking. Same as confusion. Easiest solution ever.
Retaliation was already nerfed and doesn’t need another.
I have a p/d thief and each sneak attack is retal x 5. Sometimes you just have to stop attacking that target and be smart about your AoEs that trigger retaliation.
no because then people would have to think and not attack without consequence.
…I don’t know how many ticks Barrage hits for, but if you’re running any amount of Vitality, it shouldn’t be enough to kill you. Especially if you’ve got Regen and/or Protection up. And again, use your heal. If you’re actually dying to your own Barrage, then it’s because you’re standing in enemy AoE/in the way of their charge as well. Not just because of Retal.
Edit: As for the “it’s the same deal as Confusion pre-nerf” argument, Retaliation can’t be stacked and epidemic’d and it can’t cause several thousand damage per action whether single-target or AoE.
Wrong, wrong and wrong.
Protection doesn’t mitigate any type of damage except DIRECT damage.
Retaliation is duration stacked, up to a possible minute by blast finishing and/or leap finishing light combo fields. In other words, Guardian + Thief (SB) = infinite retaliation. Good thing there aren’t that many Thieves or Guardians in WvW…
Stacking a whole minute is ridiculous, the duration can only be stacked 5 times. I just tested it with a thief and with 5 blasts we got 10 seconds of retaliation. Maybe with enough boon duration we could get a few seconds more.
Can it be reapplied every 10 seconds? Because if there are only 5 stacks, and leap finishers grant 5 seconds per, then that is 25 seconds at a time…
So, closer to half a minute at a time, and then reapplied every 5 seconds as the effects of each application wear off. I stand corrected, it is only infinite retaliation, not infinity x 2.
Leap finishers grant retaliation to ONE person….
Yes, as someone with a leap finisher, I know this…
all available sources of retaliation, notice the big showing for guards, mesmers and necros; it is easy to see where a few guards in a 15-20 person zerg could keep retaliation up pretty easily.
Save yourselves, Stand your ground, and Symbol or Wrath on rotations should do nicely when you aren’t blast finishing light fields.
Hey, I get it. It’s a big source of damage for you, and makes you even more OP and unkillable in a big glob o’ invaders, but it is disproportionately powerful and fundamentally destructive to a few of the lower tier professions… I am not talking about just button mashers. How am I supposed to do any damage to a zerg, when all of my anti-zerg skills are more likely to kill me before I down anyone in the group at all?
Especially when there is perpetual retaliation? I mean, if it were me facing a bunch of Warriors, no worries. They don’t have the access to it that some others, and they don’t share any of it that I know of.
So while you are busy trying to poke holes in my argument, you aren’t dealing with the fact that it is a bit over powered. Confusion I was fine with, I have condition removal, and I know how to wait out a few seconds of confusion if it is unavailable.
What I was poking a hole in is that no single person can leap from a light field 5 times for 25 seconds of retaliation. I think the problem people keep going over is zergs stacking it (and it’s not that much anyway).
Guardians don’t have a lot of damage unless you go that way and sacrifice what guardians are renowned for, which is staying power. We don’t have a lot of ranged capability and retaliation really helps. What people here are suggesting would nerf guardian quite a lot which is not the problem. People can run from us and avoid dying altogether, some people like to attack us until retaliation kills them and that does not make it overpowered. Guardians are meant to hold areas.
…I don’t know how many ticks Barrage hits for, but if you’re running any amount of Vitality, it shouldn’t be enough to kill you. Especially if you’ve got Regen and/or Protection up. And again, use your heal. If you’re actually dying to your own Barrage, then it’s because you’re standing in enemy AoE/in the way of their charge as well. Not just because of Retal.
Edit: As for the “it’s the same deal as Confusion pre-nerf” argument, Retaliation can’t be stacked and epidemic’d and it can’t cause several thousand damage per action whether single-target or AoE.
Wrong, wrong and wrong.
Protection doesn’t mitigate any type of damage except DIRECT damage.
Retaliation is duration stacked, up to a possible minute by blast finishing and/or leap finishing light combo fields. In other words, Guardian + Thief (SB) = infinite retaliation. Good thing there aren’t that many Thieves or Guardians in WvW…
Stacking a whole minute is ridiculous, the duration can only be stacked 5 times. I just tested it with a thief and with 5 blasts we got 10 seconds of retaliation. Maybe with enough boon duration we could get a few seconds more.
Can it be reapplied every 10 seconds? Because if there are only 5 stacks, and leap finishers grant 5 seconds per, then that is 25 seconds at a time…
So, closer to half a minute at a time, and then reapplied every 5 seconds as the effects of each application wear off. I stand corrected, it is only infinite retaliation, not infinity x 2.
…I don’t know how many ticks Barrage hits for, but if you’re running any amount of Vitality, it shouldn’t be enough to kill you. Especially if you’ve got Regen and/or Protection up. And again, use your heal. If you’re actually dying to your own Barrage, then it’s because you’re standing in enemy AoE/in the way of their charge as well. Not just because of Retal.
Edit: As for the “it’s the same deal as Confusion pre-nerf” argument, Retaliation can’t be stacked and epidemic’d and it can’t cause several thousand damage per action whether single-target or AoE.
Wrong, wrong and wrong.
Protection doesn’t mitigate any type of damage except DIRECT damage.
Retaliation is duration stacked, up to a possible minute by blast finishing and/or leap finishing light combo fields. In other words, Guardian + Thief (SB) = infinite retaliation. Good thing there aren’t that many Thieves or Guardians in WvW…
Stacking a whole minute is ridiculous, the duration can only be stacked 5 times. I just tested it with a thief and with 5 blasts we got 10 seconds of retaliation. Maybe with enough boon duration we could get a few seconds more.
You know using Barrage will basically kill you if you fire it into a zerg.
You still use Barrage, and promptly dies.
Sorry but I think this is working exactly as intended. Bad players die good players prevail.
Because facerubbing a gate, instagibbing people that AoE you due to Retal is the pinacle of skill. Amiright?
I never claimed it was the pinnacle of skill. But it sure as hell shows a lot more skill than AoE’ing that zerg even though you have died because of it thousands of times already.
Yeah, why would we need to have reasonable anti-zerg skills, or the ability to get those 8 Guardians/Eles off the rams at the gate?
We should just Melee in the Lord’s room like the pros do it.
This is not a thread to get retal nerfed is it? I know you want to whine and complain but please do so in the appropriate thread.
The OP asked how he should deal with retaliation. The solution is simple.
Don’t AoE.
Retaliation was supposed to be nerfed already, I just want it to be on every map, making it a bit easier to deal with people on rams blast finishing light fields for up to a minute of retaliation, each that hit for more than the skill I am using on them… which is frankly ridiculous, since there is no counter to it aside from…
Don’t attack… har har har.
And I gave the OP advice about it already, carry siege. Ballistae are particularly useful against retal buffed targets.
You can only stack retaliations duration 5 times, stacking a minute on a zerg is impossible. At most you can get 10-15 seconds with 5 blasts
This thread makes me sad, people can’t deal with something so they constantly complain about it until it becomes useless. They should just remove skills and traits from this game and have an auto attack fest. Or maybe even remove weapons altogether and we can have staring contests.
I’m into more small scale stuff and my group of 3 has been running from a zerg for the last 45 minutes, It gets boring.
If you want small scale stuff you just gotta stop being famous. I am sorry to say that you get specifically called out in map chat “Santa is at…” “Pickles is roaming around south Hills…”
My advice is to run around FA BL or SoS BL. TC BL + Pickles = you going to get zerged / hunted endlessly.
Don’t see what’s so confusing. New system was postponed because it wasn’t ready, people weren’t happy about that so they managed to get it ready for us this week and now it’s being implemented.
DB, stop manipulating the system. A new rating system comes out and suddenly you start diving toward 3rd place? I am blatantly accusing DB of this. JQ was a mastermind at manipulating the system. FA going to take second?
OFC FA is going to take second.
It’s kind of hard not to with the very obvious coalition TC and FA have formed. Wait..it took them all week to get close to second, I take that back. I guess it is hard.
Accusing TC and FA of having an alliance is supposed to cover up the real problem here?
Sorry, are you new to TC/FA or something? They are notorious for pushing against one server together. It really doesn’t take a theoretical physicist to see whats going on. On the forums and in wvw it’s literally spelled out for you.
well…on the 28th we will supposedly be fighting a different server every week, so……. I think the decision to move was a little premature unless there is more meaning behind it besides from wanting a change of scenery.
in other news, I acquired a hair dye kit and made my beard even whiter, and it is magnificent.
Make sure you use the toy bag back-piece item, your transformation will be complete.
now that you mention it, I probably should not have deleted that.
well…on the 28th we will supposedly be fighting a different server every week, so……. I think the decision to move was a little premature unless there is more meaning behind it besides from wanting a change of scenery.
in other news, I acquired a hair dye kit and made my beard even whiter, and it is magnificent.
well…on the 28th we will supposedly be fighting a different server every week, so……. I think the decision to move was a little premature unless there is more meaning behind it besides from wanting a change of scenery.
in other news, I acquired a hair dye kit and made my beard even whiter, and it is magnificent.
So when TC wouldn’t pay for TVB’s transfer they came to FA instead?
Well, we didn’t pay for them either.
That’s good
Sorry for the needed clarification……TC(some benefactor) did offer to “assist” with our move, a nice healthy amount. WE turned it down. (I personally glad we did.)
As I stated in another post we were looking for various things in a server and found what we wanted/needed on FA, so we farmed our own gold and moved over 30+ players over to FA and have enjoyed each day here thus far.
TY Eva, you all have been very welcoming to us….see you out on the map!
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