Guild Wars 2

The Demonic Spirit.3157:

As we know that minions have many bad issues such as AL , low hp and vulnerable to AOE.
I suggest a change that will make them much better.
( Talking about MM necro ) >> Specially in dungeons and crowded PvE , when they die , you will become too weak as they present 50% of your damage , healing and toughness.
The fix would be letting their summoning cd to start when they being called not when they die so we can resummon them immediately.
One more thing , life siphon skills and traits should be affected by healing power.

They are not 50 percent of your damage unless you are running a bunker build. if you are rolling dagger or axe with zerker gear, they are maybe 25 to 30 percent of your damage, but they are a huge part of your survival.

Myrmidian Eudoros.4671:

Bhawb.7408:

*30-35 Minions (each person gets 6-7 depending on jagged horror or not).

I was assuming we would implement some strategy that has a chance to win rather than zerging 5 deep to 1 point

6 minion each x 3 team members = 18

We will have some sort of plan. I am not sure how good it will be since MM is kind of an interesting way to play.

we were only able to make two attempts on Friday. Our next attempts may be Tuesday. Bull Zooker was our burst, and I was running bunker. Instead of two burst we only had one. While the bunker build worked I think it put an enormous amount of stress on our focus team.

Excellent work again! I should try some of this as a minion master or powermancer

JonathanSharp.7094:

So, we do read the forums.

Right now we’re thinking this ability will go back to being unblockable, as will Currupt Boons. We still want you to need LOS to your target, however. We want these skills to have fun back/forth play on them, while being fair for both sides (the attacker and defender). Keep in mind, these abilities can still be evaded.

And thanks for all the constructive debate in here, great job!

Woohoo!! A dev feels safe enough to reply in the forums again! I feel so happy now!!

I think there is a bigger question here, Jonathan. When are you going to appear on the Necro Podcast? And how big a fan are you of the show? I have no ulterior motive in asking those questions ;P Those are more important than is epidemic nerfed!!!!

Haha!

All kidding aside, I am glad to hear the blocking mechanism will be removed. We did an all-necro fight against a team with two guardians, and we had so many blocks it was ridiculous.

Thanks for taking the time to comment.

If the rest of the team is available we can do a few more matches today around 5pm PST

SPESHAL.9106:

Kudos for giving this a try.

Only watched a few minutes…but were you really using dagger/wh with spectral walk???

You already get plenty of swiftness with the warhorn…so spectral walk is largely wasted.

Because you are using a dagger…spectral grasp would have been a much better option in that utility spot.

Will try to watch rest later, but it would be fun watching all minion master team of necros…Coordinating golem charges and bone minion explosions could produce some good “lols”

I did absolutely start off with Spectral walk and then swapped it for grasp later on to much success, I wanted walk due to conversations with Khalifa about escaping a fight, but in the end I needed grasp to bring the combat to me.

In our first day of trials :P, we had a great time, and made about 10 attempts. The first video was a bit long, and you only get the game from my view, but it was a fun time.

The Beginning

and

Full Terror Team

Spirit Watch is the tournament map on rotation and so presented a litany of Necro issues, so it took us a bit of time to get down not just an attack, but a playstyle that worked at least a bit.

We also made two attempts at running a full terror team. It failed miserably :P.

Your BoC All-Necro Tournament Team is Myrmidian, Kravick, Bas, Bhawb, and Soulgant.

Please give us advice comments and criticism. Outside of stop doing this any advice from fellow players would be appreciated

while he did not answer your ridiculous assumption correctly. He did positively point out that axe is a viable weapon choice. Dagger requires you to be within 150 of your opponent. Axe has a nice 600 range, and axe two in pvp on an unsuspecting target in a team match can be lethal. Axe 3 is amazing for wvwvw and in tournaments. I prefer axe in pve because I dont want to sit on top of my target as I would with a dagger.

damage is similar with the main deference being that the dagger is a straight damage weapon and the Axe adds vuln to benefit everyone in the party.

Bhawb.7408:

I’d keep changing the top post and just post a note that its been updated.

As for how it went, it went surprisingly well. I don’t know if we’ll be changing the meta to 5 necro teams anytime soon, but with better teamwork, and some more PvP practice for some of us (me), I think we could make some decent runs.

It takes some really exacting coordination, and I think Spirit Watches setup really helped us monitor and hold in the end. I am a bit eager to try the different maps.

I will see what I can do Tez :P. Thanks for the idea.

Kardiamond.6952:

How come I don’t get that kind of damage?

And Wild bill being a good P/D thiefs doesn’t mean he has more HP then anyone else.

Thief are pretty glassy.

Did you kill him?

The 13k is a fully buffed plus food fight. I did the Zerker in an HOTW run that is on the SOACGaming website and hit 9k in HOTW with no food and green zerker gems. The kitteno podcast that’s up on the SOACGaming youtube channel shows gameplay videos from kitteno and in one of them he hits 13k and I may have the one on there where he hit 17k.

Kravick.4906:

flow.6043:

Did you guys find enough necros yesterday? How was it?

We did. It really was a lot of fun. I really want to do it again. Theres always next week. Looking forward to it.

How long does it usually take Bas to edit and put up videos?

I am on the west coast so I do have to sleep :P.

It takes me about an hour to edit and split and another 2 hours to upload depending on length of the video.

I would love to do something sooner than Next week, but as of last night. Thursday works, though depending on schedule we could do something earlier in the week if everyone is on board. We will get together and work something out.

I am trying to figure out if I should just post the videos as we do them or change the top post and add the videos there.

Added the All-Necro Tournament Team Battles

We had a great time, and made about 10 attempts. The first video was a bit long, and you only get the game from my view, but it was a fun time.

The Beginning

and

Full Terror Team

Spirit Watch is the tournament map on rotation and so presented a litany of Necro issues, so it took us a bit of time to get down not just an attack, but a playstyle that worked at least a bit.

We also made two attempts at running a full terror team. It failed miserably :P.

I would go into more detail, but I need to get to work, and I will simply comment after you guys watch it.

I will also put a copy of the videos at the top.

If your health is full it doesn’t work.

I think everyone will be online. I think only Myrmidian is the only one I am not sure will be on. Kravick is almost always on when I am online. We will try and get multiple recordings of the same fights. I will then piece them all together and link it here for some feedback.

Well it looks like we have 5 willing players, anyone else interested? I have jury duty so partaking in extended conversations may take a long time haha. Even so, if you are an EU player and want to take part let me know!

For those who are up for the attempts is everyone free today around 7pm PST? After the podcast recording Bhawb and I usually do a BoC presents, but this would be fun!

Kardiamond.6952:

Bas.7406:

danbuter.2314:

Thanks all. I plan on PvE and WvW, so it looks like scepter is the only real option.

Not even close to being correct. All of our weapons are great options. It really depends on your playstyle and what your purpose is in wvwvw. In PvE there are two Axe options full on Axe berzerker damage :P, and Minon builds (My favorite). Dagger is incredible for about 4-5 different build variations. Scepter is for condition builds, and is definitely the easiest to play in a WvWvW zerg.

@Bas

Would you say Axe is as viable in WvW as dagger?

Each time I try Axe, I wonder : Why am I not using dagger?

600 seems to be too short to be an efficient range to kite people. And going melee range vs a real Melee is death sentence.

Axe is fantastic in 5 to 10 man havoc squads because you can vuln stack for your warrior/thief teammates. While 600 seems relatively close, its better than dagger 150 range which makes me cry hen I see evade evade evade. In the end it’s about preference 600 is alot safer especially with unholy feast, and one good Ghastly Claws chain will hit someone for 13k ;P

If you are looking for a better understanding of Death Shroud, check this podcast out. Skyro did a fantastic job explaining some of the strengths it faced.

It would be ridiculously effective to have quick and easy access to two short CD aoe fears and Death Shroud Fear couple that with a second necro and you could chain fears until someone dies.

So we have 9 signups on the NA side, and 3 signups for the EU side. Could use 2 to 3 more for NA so that in case one person can’t make it someone else is ready to go.

Need a bunch more for EU :P.

flow.6043:

This might not be my place to add to the discussion since I’m not NA and can’t participate, but I want to say a few things:
I don’t think the best group composition is necessarily one where everyone has a different build. Off the top of my head I’d give the team at least 2 if not 3 condition builds.
So far it seems to me that you do the build planing in anticipation of a 5v5 confrontation, then the builds make sense with support, spectral wall and finishers and so on… like a mini zerg. That might happen from time to time, but most of the fights will probably be 1-3vs1-3.

Discussions are not locked into NA or EU :P. I would love to get an EU version of this going, but I would need someone else to spearhead it and get it moving forward. I would be glad to show the recordings and keep it on here, but I can’t set it up.

I think a full MM would be a fun thing to do, but you would really run into issues with Engineer, Trap Ranger groups that specialize in high damage aoe. As for stacking similar types you will be doing that. Condition and Terror builds are very similar along with our support as all three will probably be carrying one or two traits that are the same.

If you run a Terror, Support, Condition, Power, Minions you would have 3 out of 5 carry epidemic or corrupt boon, and all 5 would be carrying signet of undeath :P.

Thizz.3970:

what’s a terrormancer?

It’s essentially similar to a condition mancer except they pickup Terror and the 50 percent longer time on fear along with Fear duration runes. It’s a fun and interesting way to play. A really good terror build can control a fight. Their problem is along the lines of they are really bad if you are focused on, but that’s true with a majority of our builds.

We have 3 methods to stability on our own, Plague form, Lich Form, and 30 Soul Reaping.

We don’t get it because stuns have a smaller effect on us because regardless of CC we can go into Death Shroud to absorb the damage. Is it perfect? No, but it’s the main reason we don’t have access to those abilities.

danbuter.2314:

Thanks all. I plan on PvE and WvW, so it looks like scepter is the only real option.

Not even close to being correct. All of our weapons are great options. It really depends on your playstyle and what your purpose is in wvwvw. In PvE there are two Axe options full on Axe berzerker damage :P, and Minon builds (My favorite). Dagger is incredible for about 4-5 different build variations. Scepter is for condition builds, and is definitely the easiest to play in a WvWvW zerg.

Awesome that gives us 4 of 5 ;p

We just need one more who wants to do some fun testing.

In our first day of trials :P, we had a great time, and made about 10 attempts. The first video was a bit long, and you only get the game from my view, but it was a fun time.

The Beginning

All-Terror Attempts

Phase 2: Death Becomes Us

Your NA BoC All-Necro Tournament Team is Myrmidian, Kravick, Bas, Bhawb, and Soulgant, Bull Zooker.

Check out the videos and let me know what we can do to improve!

Haha, let’s move tournament to another thread :P

Congratulations on breaking 2000 downloads for the first episode. I am blown away by the response from the Mesmer Community. I know Kylia and Pyro are excited about what the future holds!

I think it would be fun, bug there would be certain maps, spirit watch, that would be extremely difficult for a Necro Tourney team.

D/wh bunker with wells
MM boon stripper
power mancer for focus kills
one conditionmancer
terror build

If you dont have this group you wouldnt have enough oomph to kill a bunker ele/ranger team. Biggest issue would be lock down killing.

Soulgant.7689:

Oh, I would’ve preferred to see how an all necromancer team fares against other teams. But it seems I misread (I should stop skimming through >.>) your post and you actually meant ALL necromancer sPvP as in both teams are made entirely of necromancers. Since that is the case then yea tPvP would be unreasonable as there is no guarantee we would get pitted against each other. However I can see similar problems in sPvP servers unless we manage to completely fill up a room (since if it’s not 8vs8 we might get a few random players mixed in with us).

Anyways since I seem to have completely misinterpreted your meaning and I thought it would be an all necromancer team vs other non-all-necromancer teams, I revoke my participation. I would still however love to see how the match went after it is recorded. Cheers

Don’t get me wrong I want to try out an all tournament Necro team one time for fun ;p

Soulgant.7689:

IGN: Soulgant
NA or EU: NA
Server: Tarnished Coast
Access to Mumble: Yes
Video Capture Capabilities: I’d rather not be the one to record
Easiest Day for you: I have a flexible schedule for the next couple of weeks, so once a day and time is decided I most likely can work it out into my schedule.

P.S. I might be able to bring out someone else from NA into this. Also, to my knowledge cross-server tPvP is possible (as long as all members are in the same region, NA or EU) so I would prefer to do that instead of normal sPvP.

That does make sense but we would have to get our own server correct? The problem with doing it as tpvp is that it would affect the rankings of several of our players

Once a month this thread pops up. Minion AI isnt an issue, the issue is general NPC AI through anet. Half the ideas are way overpowered. If you are struggling or disagree with minion ai. Here is a simple guide.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=riyMsBRxXHs

In this week’s But of Corpse Necromancer Podcast, your hosts Bhawb and Bas sit down and talk with Skyro. Skyro was brought in to talk tournaments and Death Shroud. Throughout the podcast Skyro lectured and encouraged about the proper use of Death Shroud, and even taught our hosts a few things about the class.

After the podcast was over, we asked Skyro if he would be interested in doing a BOC Presents: Death Shroud Tutorial. He agreed, and we are working on putting something together for all of our followers.

http://sittingonacouch.com/the-gw2-necro-podcast-but-of-corpse-ep-9/

Added the gameplay/podcast with the one and only Orochi!

In a very special edition of But of Corpse, we get Orochi, the Necro who first solo’d Lupicus! We had a great conversation with him about what it takes to solo a boss or dungeon. He took us through the journey and excitement of the battle, and left us looking forward to more from him. You can check out the video at his youtube channel, WyvernxProductions.

Orochi gave us a great time, and I encourage you to check out his video and keep up to date with where he is headed. You might see him in an upcoming All-Necro Dungeon!

http://sittingonacouch.com/the-gw2-necro-podcast-but-of-corpse-special-edition/

If you have any comments or questions please let us know! Thanks for joining us on short notice Oroshi!

Looking for a few more people!

The Axe Zerker Gameplay/Podcast with kitteno is up!

Wow, did the Troll just put an actual helpful post up :P? I am totally impressed. I was thinking of something like this yesterday when testing out a full condition fear build in sPvP.

Great thought on adding Spectral Grasp to your setup. I am not a fan of corrupt boon, but I can see how effective it can be. I had nice two to three second fears.

My biggest issue in any Fear build is building Life Force which means for a while you have to kind of hang out waiting while dropping your aoe and forcing blinds.

I ended up going Rampager Jewel for more crit bleeds, and picking up boon removal on crit just for fun. Did you find it pretty dang squishy when you ran into a hard hitter?

Updated for the great All-Necro CoF full Clear last night!

Rhoellan.5462:

Thanks Bas and Pyro for the feedback and thank you everyone for your assistance and podcast goodness.

To keep things rolling, I was wondering if EMPOWERED ILLUSIONS and PHANTASMAL STRENGTH stack with one another? I have searched the forums and the wiki, but have never received a response.

I apologize for the offtopic response :P. I saw Amadeus and it made me laugh. I loved your questions, and they have puzzled me too whenever I look over the Mesmer trait line I wonder about it.

Esplen.3940:

As for the message about bumping, that was directly resulting from the “bumping” post because it goes against the rules of the forums

I did not take it for hatespeech (I personally hate this phrase as many people don’t really know what true hate speech is) I took it for outrage over a bumping you didn’t think needed to be done, and then added a few tongue in cheek similies to let you know that I wasn’t bothered by it. I see your point on this one, though it’s a finite one. The main reason I bumped and I should have been more specific on the bump is because Oscicat was referencing the podcast was coming up in the Questions thread.

Esplen.3940:

The current ruling on monetization of Youtube videos is (loosely worded and not directly quoted):
You may use monetization freely, but if you get reported, Arenanet will not back you up nor say you are allowed to do it.

Basically, you CAN do it until you get caught doing it.

This is what I perceived the rules to be. I thought it was a really poorly worded one, and when someone doth protest I simply toss a note to youtube and it gets taken off monetization or left on monetize depending on how they feel. Currently I only turn it off on the Dungeon runs and things that are not actually the podcast. If it’s an issue with most of our fans I will turn it off.

Esplen.3940:

Back to the first point: I don’t care if your thread is on the frontpage or not, I personally just don’t want 2+ Mesmerized threads on the frontpage, especially if you’re going to be bumping anyone of them. Hence the solution I listed in my first post of making one big thread, which would work for your point, anyways.

I also dislike you making new threads constantly when all you have to do is go back to one of your old/first threads and update the info and then add an INFORMATIVE post saying: “Just added XX and YY videos to the OP, also posting here so you don’t have to move to that page” or "Link to that post is here: " or something.

The Mesmerized Questions thread is now so unrelated to the actual podcast that it has no relation to it at all except our name and several people from the podcast answer things in it. It has turned into a Ask our host any question thread instead of here is the podcast.

My general rule of thumb is I post it and then updated it once on the week that it was posted. Once it is added to youtube I then add it to the Mesmerized: Mesmer Central which is really the only one I upkeep after the first week of a podcast.

I don’t see why creating a post for an individual podcast is an issue and then updating the big one at the end of the week. A gigantic thread listing every single audio only and youtube podcast would in the end serve the exact opposite point. A new player would take one look at it and freak out that there was so many different things, he would feel overwhelmed and not even check it out. An individual podcast about his favorite Mesmer such as Oscicat he may want to listen too and comment on therefore we have a central one that is maintained and a single post that is posted once the podcast is done.

I appreciate your point of you, and hopefully I have helped you understand the point as to why I do it this way. I will not keep this thread going after the next podcast goes up. As this one will hopefully be on youtube and therefore on the Mesmer Central thread.

Esplen.3940:

I understand that you like self-plugs, but could you please just make one thread and constantly use/update that? Learn from all the other stickied threads, they use one thread to convey MULTITUDES of ideas.

E.g. Osicat’s thread. It has 4+ builds on it, each fully fledged. You don’t see it getting bumped to the front page everyday (which is also against the rule) by the OP, because it was good enough that it didn’t need to.

If you’re just going to make a thread and throw it away, it’s not really a thread worth making… especially when it comes to live, updated things. Your thread should reflect your content. If your content was a one-time thing, your thread should be a one-time thing. If your content is going to have more… your thread should have move. If your content is dead… your thread should be dead.

And please, for the love of the Six, tell me you have youtube monetary disabled.

I will see if I can handle your outrage quickly enough.

1. Creating and bumping an individual podcast is fine, we have a guy who comes into the Necro forums and complains every time I create a thread. There is nothing wrong with it as it directs the players to the individual podcast since the central one simply contains links to the youtube versions and the entire podcast list. Your little outrage simply did the same thing that you wanted me to not do. A simply personal message to me would have solved more and allowed your point to have been made instead you bumped something you didn’t want bumped :P.

At the top of the page there is a sticky that say Tutorials and another one that says post your build, and yet people post secondary threads covering the same topic repeatedly. Have you gone onto each one of their threads to complain about them posting about something that’s already covered? :P

My point is that you complained about bumping a post and then bumped it yourself, there is no reason to post this if your point was to let me know I was doing the podcast a disservice a simply personal message would have accomplished this. I understand your point, and disagree with it.

2. Monetization on the youtube channel was brought up by either pyro or kylia a few days ago when I made a comment on it. I told them I would look into disabling it, but haven’t had the chance to read through the TS to find out how it applies to us. I do know that when I read the youtube and GW2 Terms it contained the words use with original content which I figured I fell under this meant that as long as I credited GW2 than I did not have to turn off the monetization it. I will double check on this and appreciate you bringing it up.

I appreciate your feedback, and you are probably right about the monetization. If it’s the case I will remove it.

Thank you

So as an update

NA is 8 of 10 minimum needed (though it would be cooler to have 16)
EU is 2 of 10 minimum needed

flow.6043:

I would totally join if I was NA xD
Well at least all EU players can watch the slaughter on video later.
Consolation prize… yay.

Why can’t EU players do this as well? I asked for EU players to sign up, and I will put up a list, and get the day up.

I will start an EU side sign up, if we get 10 players. I know a few EU guys who can record and have a Necro.

Bumping because this is an awesome podcast

Talentless.5708:

Sorry Bas, been busy recently, and even when running bandicam I always forget to hit record on inc. I promise to actually have some decent video… one day. Until then there is the quick playstyle and solo videos made from like 2 days of recording

haha ;p no worries, I just got kitteno’s play and it’s about to go up soon, then you and our latest guests will be all that remain :P.

We are up to 8 of 10 at least!!

Remember we will all be on but of corpse with multiple players recording, and the goal is to have fun, and attempt as many all out center fights as possible haha!

Bhawb.7408:

Sorry, not cross server but cross region. I can’t PvP with Nemesis, for example, because he is EU and I am NA.

We could also do a 5v5 if needed, they have 10 person servers.

Good point so 4 more to go ;p

6 down 10 more needed :P