Guild Wars 2

All the gem store item sales has been nice and all, but it would be excellent if Anet did a limited time sale for cash->gems->gold transactions. If we had a limited timed 15% bonus extra gems for people who selling gems for gold (restricted to new gem purchases only), it would encourage people to buy more gems while also give the market a nice boost of fresh gems. Anet get more money, people who got cash get gold, people who got gold get gems.

Everyone wins!

For the game, flipping (and trading in general) has an direct effect on the game economy; it keeps down the gold inflation. Each time an item is sold, gold worth 15% of the item value is permanent removed from the game. Flipping result in what otherwise would be a single trade now turn into two trades with taxes added each time.

Happens more often if I have previously been killed in the camp while trying to cap it.

The event Capture the camp is not triggering sometimes when solo and team capturing of camps.

Happens randomly like once every 5th hour or so of wvw. I get to a enemy camp, and the event do not trigger. I can still kill the NPC’s and take over the camp, but I get no notification, no bar indicating how long time it will take, and lastly, no reward at end.

Happens while solo capping, and while capping in group. Mostly in the top left camp in BLs. It started after last update (February 26).

Screenshot attached, where the camp was cleared and I noticed the lack of an event bar. Happily, I remembered to take a screenshot. Our side is green, and the camp was blue. Before this cap, I had already taken a few with no issues, and after the screenshot, I captured some other camp and had no issues there either.

(Screenshot edited by removing chat box)

Clearly a new player who don’t know where each siege blueprint is useful and where not. The update, and the new energy in having a fresh fight with two new worlds is clearly encouraging more players in NSP to join in wvw, and we (NSP) should do our best to help them.

Its almost a bit sad that siege weapons don’t have the name of the owner on it, as here it would had helped to whisper the guy and point out that trebs are not useful right next to a gate.

Astraea: thanks for a good post. This was what I was after, ie, what actions the community accept and what it doesn’t. To expand, Market manipulation for me is intentional actions to change a items prize semi-permanent by methods of deception. Pum and dump method being the popular method used currently.

Flipping an item is not that. Market speculation is also not that. Compared to real world market, the paraells are very clear, but there we have real life laws to define was is ethical and here we only have the community and Anet. Anet is quiet, so that leaves the community.

In GW1, scamming was shunned while “buying low and selling high within -reason-” was acceptable. What would be defined as scamming depended, but buying something for 1/100 of the price, or selling something 100x was considered by most as crossing a line. Where exact the line was drawn depended on the guild, alliance. They point is, actually the very big big point is: There existed a line and after it was crossed, guild kicked members, Guild memberships was refused, people was effectivly “shunned” for bad behavior. The question is, do any such line exist for GW2?

Where do the community stand? Since the beginning, many people I talk to had the view that market manipulation was unacceptable behavior to the Guild Wars 2 community, in the same league as abusing exploits to get rich.

But after we left the initial period after the public start, peoples stand against market manipulation seems to dwindle. The gold gained from it is getting shinier, and the more legit alternatives of playing the market is getting less and less profitable as more player is entering. The pie slices is getting smaller.

From Anet part, posts recently made here on the forum are all reiterating that this is a player determined market, and what happens happens. Any active stand against market manipulation seems to have been left after the early micro-managing with the forge during the initial months.

As a player, this moral dilemma is now really starting to be felt. Are one just being foolish in not doing market manipulations, leaving the gold to be gobbled up by those player with less scruples? Where do the community stand, and where do Anet stand?

Who said anything about waiting hours for using bought items?

The delay is only for people who creates sell and buy orders, ie, when you put an item for sale at a higer price than highest buy order, or want to buy for less than lowest sell offer. Once an item was bought/sold, any gold and item was sent immedently.

This meant that people who bought items from lowest seller, or sold item to highest bidder got no delay. However, people playing the market got a small delay to prevent constant -1p or +1p market changes.

If I put down a buy order, it rarely get filled instantly. Its normally a wait for a rather random time until either my order get filled, or someone undercuts me. Say a 10g buy order for kittens (ie, input any item of choice here) takes 1hr to fill without undercutting. With a random delay, it might take 3hrs instead. Would 3hrs vs 1 hrs waiting really effect how fun trading in the TP is? Would it even be noticable for the causual player?

In other games which had a player based market, I have seen some choose to solve this issue by adding a random 2-5 hrs delay to buy and sell orders.

This meant that you couldn’t just put something with 1 point less than everyone else, because by the time other players would see the order the market would likely look slightly different. All this is achived without adding taxes or put arbitrary restrictions on prices.

Since we get post about this subject several times a week, maybe its time that the interface for handling pickup of items purchased by gems changes?

Sicktor.7285:

Is it this you’re talking about? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HNPC3Pm8y00

If it is, apparently turning down audio quality to lowest fixes it. I hope they fix it soon though.

No, the sound is more like an echo-ey metallic bang than a constant up and down high frequency tone as in the youtube clip.

In general, once the game is muted, it should never, ever make any sound. That is a bug in itself, and thus should be fixed as such.

There are two reasons why someone did this.
1) they hope that some rich player will spend the ~$7000 in cash to buy gems and convert that to golds.
2), the seller is a gold seller, and is using this to incite extra large gold purchases.

Looks good, but they really need to make sure bots can’t abuse it to automate trading. Maybe a CAPTCHA once in a while?

Looking at this post in the best of lights, public tips do not work in a market place based on supply and demand.

They only work if the people buying and selling are small and only has marginal effect on the market. However, the crowed playing the BLTC has sadly a rather large effect on the market, and thus tips, any tips will be counter-productive.

When loading lists in the BLTC, and when removing items from sell/buy, all new icons from the wintersday patch is blinking once after loading.

Inflation + the bot issue has raised the general price to around 50% of what it once where, meaning in practical terms, money has decreased in value for about 33% in the duration of 3 months, and it is still rising but for how long is anyone’s guess.

(this is not a legal claim or legal advice or any legal anything. It is just to show the legal situation in Sweden, interpreted by me)

In Sweden, one is not allow (it is illegal) to have a permanent sale. You can not have a buy 5 and get 30% off and then promote that as a sale if its done in a permanent state. One is perfect allowed to sell 5 and have the price be set 30% lower, but, not as a sale. Thus, if one were to have a 50% sale and promote it as such, it would have to be clear for what the base price it is targeted for. buy 1, or buy 5.

Found it what it was… Once you have too many items in the pick up list, new items aren’t shown until you pick them up. There is a max limit. This sadly includes even gold recovered from removed orders.

Funny Funny stuff

Steps:
Pick up says 0 in trade Profit
select a random item, create a buy order way below anyone else (say, 1 gold for a dusk)
Remove the same buy order under Items I am buying
Pick up still says 0 in trade Profit
Take all is greyed out
Unhappyness…

Grumpy.8365:

Even if this was true, isn’t that their loss? The listing fees would tantamount to be much greater than the actual selling price.

No. The point of algorithmic system is to use trends and past data to in general produce a net profit.

The down side is that for us non-botting player, a bot will ruin the experience and fun of playing a game where others gets unfair profits by just running a program.

I really hope this isnt someone who wrote a market bot to auto flip items. 3800 gold looks to be nothing with such tool.

It would be really nice if there was a confirm box when one tries to list an item below lowest buy order, or on buy orders above lowest listed price.

in 9.9/10 times, if you try to buy a item for more than lowest asking price, you are doing so in a mistake (like pressing 2 gold instead of 1). Same goes for listing an item say with 0 gold instead of 1. Having a box asking you if you really, really want to do this, would be much better than silently buying/selling the item instantly with no option to abort.

Alternative, add a small timer of 30s to abort the sale/buy?

Thank you.