Guild Wars 2

Hi all,

Are there any servers or tiers currently that are able to consistently offer 40 v 40, 50 v 50, 60 v 60 or larger fights between organized groups/guilds? What I am looking for are not just large zergs that charge mindlessly but rather large groups that operate under commands with coordination upon enemy engagement.

I am not looking for small group fights or skirmishes.

Currently in T1 but am finding that my server’s turnout is pretty poor and we no longer get these large scale battles. WvW just feels stale and stagnant.

I play during oceanic/sea timezones and reside in Australia currently. Would appreciate some recommendations as I am considering a possible transfer. Would the lag on a EU server make playing unbearable? Are there players to play against on EU servers during the oceanic/sea timezones instead of just PvDooring?

I personally think the mercenary idea is great. The current matches are feeling stale.

The matches within each tier are all locked up with minimal shifts. This results in stagnation and attrition because the same people and groups are being fought over and over.

It is a win-win situation for both players and servers as it benefits

1. WvW players who enjoy competition and being exposed to different playstyles
2. Lower tier servers have the chance to get out of the rut with external help
3. It keeps the competition fresh and allows techniques to spread to other servers improving overall game quality

A 1 month licence could perhaps be sold at 500 gems. The cost has to be affordable though for this scheme to work.

It would also help promote WvW more into a league format where guilds can be so called “traded” and improve competitiveness. It is after all called Guild wars and nothing much at the moment seems to justify this title.

Never ceases to amaze me at the kind of drama that occurs in this thread. Makes for some good entertainment with all the accusations, perceived rivalries and hatred between servers and guilds.

A few months down the road or when a new game comes out, nobody will ever remember all this nonsense. So to people from all the 3 servers spewing vitriolic, get a life cause you’re just perpetuating a vicious cycle.

Well, I personally won’t mind if BG goes down to T2, although there have been loads of great fights so far with JQ and SoR. Having a change of scenery and matchups might freshen things up abit and revitalize the stagnation.

Being from BG myself, I do find that there is a lack of consistency in terms of player turnout in WvW. Coverage is great on some days and other days, there is a lack of presence and we tick at mediocre values. This isn’t really what I would call T1 coverage and seems to show a lack of drive/hunger to win.

If BG wants to stay competitive in T1, then it needs to start looking at it’s strategy carefully and what it can do to alleviate the pressure and reliance placed on the major guilds in the various timezones.

I think everybody should chill and cut the guy some slack. The OP might have come from a lower tier and therefore the meta is different.

No disrespect towards the lower tiers but as the game goes on, players will devise such strats and test it out. It is just a natural state of evolution.

It may be be a viable on the tier that the OP is on at the moment until somebody devises a counter and the whole process of discovery repeats itself.

What you guys are doing is just comparing apples to oranges and viewing his comment with benefit of hindsight which is always perfect.

insanemaniac.2456:

hmm..
zvz battles sound like typical 17th-19th century european armies.

what beat that? guerrilla tactics. winters.

No disrespect to guerilla tactics, but both large forces and guerilla tactics work side by side and complement each other.

WvW is a take and hold type of meta. With a larger force, it is easy to take down and hold objectives more effectively and efficiently.

The OP is also interested in looking beyond just small fights but also at the possibilities of fights requiring team synergy and much larger amounts of coordination, so this reply is not answering his question.

The whole concept of server loyalty is stale and outdated. The basic building block is no longer the server, it is just a date center allocated with a name under which you play for points. It is the guild/community you play with. This is the result of an international gaming community.

Guilds move for all sorts of reasons. This is a game and different people have different definitions of fun. One man’s meat is another man’s poison. The incessant complaints and indignation is much akin to banging on the table and forcing someone to like the taste of a particular brand of beer.

It seems that players on all servers have taken the moves of guilds too personally with condemnation whilst loudly championing that it is just a game. There is just too much conspiracy theories and unsubstantiated hatred and toxicity.

If indeed these self proclaimed champions of “gaming fun” stop defining fun from only their perspective, then all this talk about sportmanship and exodus etc is just for naught

Actually, I’m don’t understand why the map cap needs to be secret. In fact there’s no real reason why figures can’t be released now that culling has been fixed.

If it is 200 per side, just state it is 200 per side. In fact, it will help servers manage their population and prevent stacking of servers which result in unreasonable queue times.

If WvW map populations cannot be released, at least an overall server population figure would be helpful. The rough estimate of the WvW population can then be made.

sostronk.8167:

hex.3218:

Sardonia.8196:

hex.3218:

I don’t know what all the complaining is about. Did BG win last week? Rejoice children! The long cold night of the JQ is OVER! Now that JQ has been beaten, they will implode. Just like HoD, ET, SoS and the other server with the guy that did ventriliquism on the island. The plane boss, the plane!

But seriously, kids, this week is not exactly a fair fight. BG spotted us a big lead resting up for the patch and the week that follows the patch. This week is almost a throw away. Patch mid week, come on. One set of rules half the week, another set of rules the second half.

Look on the very bright side of things. Dedicated players will not be worth MORE than zerglings. Servers like SoR will have a better chance to compete. BG and JQ have a lot of half-in half-out WvW players who won’t spend a lot of time getting ranked up. Smart servers will be able to create specialists for different situations, or even heroes of great reknown that can strike fear in the hearts of other players with their shiny tag alone!

When does the patch go live?

JQ last week pretty much did not care after Wednesday or so. I think they just got fed up with the exploits and seige capping and did not really play has hard as they are now. At least that is how I feel. Plus BG were playing some crazy long hours which cannot be sustained week in week out. JQ came out this week to prove a point and it has shown.

My point was that people make a big deal out of things that aren’t really that important. Heck, SoR could steal a week depending on what BG and JQ field for any given 7 day period.

Getting upset over coverage differences on a week where clearly BG is resting from their hard earned victory is silly. BG can put up a good fight when fully rested and ready to go. Last week proves it.

BG won. The only real reason they did is because they fought for it. Everything else is excuses.

That being said, if JQ wins this week, it’s because they fought for it. Everything else (coverage included) is excuses.

We will have to agree to disagree. I completely believe if it wasn’t for the exploits/cheating going on that week then JQ would have finished on top. Nobody will be able to convince me otherwise. I do agree that BG closed the gap that week, but it was the exploits that stopped JQ from being able to do anything that won the week.

Are we still on this topic? It has been flogged to death. It was just one loss in JQ’s history and you guys will be winning this matchup again this week

Sifu.6527:

Vertigo.1470:

Alliance of the Forgotten Seas is a South East Asian guild that’s focused on World vs World.

Where are we from?

We are currently located in Sea of Sorrows, however have decided to move on from this server due to recent events that happen to the server.

Who is AFS?

We are a small guild with about 300 members currently and field around 20-30 people during our primetime on weekdays while during weekends we have atleast 50 people on before, during and after our primetime.

What is AFS?

We are not like other larger guilds where instead of zerging down our enemies, we preffer to keep our precense on field as low as possible and perform behind enemy lines and play with our enemy’s minds. To those who have played with us know how well we do just that.

What kind of server are we looking for?

Although many have asked or requested us to speak with thier server representatives, we preffer to make things simple and only request three things from any server that is interested in our services.
1.List the number of Active SEA guilds in your server.
2.Give examples of how those guilds have worked together in the past (for example produce a short 3-5 min video of yourselves).
3.Show us examples of how that server’s community is Strong and supportive of the guilds which participate in WvW for them.

AFS does not wish to be offered gold/money when we decide on transfering to a new server, we however wish for that community of that server to cooperate with us on the move when it happens.

Please do not whisper/mail me ingame, as my inbox ingame has limited space.

If you wish to ask questions or setup a meeting with myself and my officers you can post it here.

Thank you for your time in reading this, we hope that this clarifies all the various questions that have been asked of us.

Let me narrow it down for you.

It seems like T4/5 action isn’t enough action for your guild and you guys want to get back in T1/2 action.

Here are your options:

T1 – JQ/BG/SOR
You don’t want to join JQ because that’s bangwagoning your way to victory. Besides you get to fight FoO on JQ so transfers to BG or SOR. You don’t want to transfer to BG because that too is bangwagoning and BG paid for transfers. That leaves SOR that is in need of your coverage slot

T2 – Kei/FA/TC
You will probably want to join either FA or TC so you guys can fight WM.

There you go. I narrowed it down to 3 servers; FA, TC, and SoR.

P.S. I’m on JQ

I really wish people would stop saying that BG paid for transfers. The issue has been clarified countless times and it is simply flogging a dead horse and trying to discredit another server

No offense to servers that have zero coverage in terms of SEA crews at the moment.
But to simply ask them over and function as the only guild is to indirectly tell them to PvDoor all the time they are online.

No doubt you can call that contribution but I don’t think it can be fun for them and it severely limits their game options during the time they are online to just ram keeps with no opposition at all.

Assuming they intend to move to another T1 NA server, it will be a complex decision.

Do they want to just steamroll and not have to do anything else? JQ then, it has unbeatable SEA coverage at the moment.

Would they like to be part of a force that offer competitive (competitive does not mean stacked) challenge to JQ’s enviable SEA coverage? BG would offer that chance

What about fighting an uphill battle and outmanned which poses for a great challenge? SoR would the one

What is the guild’s favoured play style? havoc squads? defending? camp flipping? working with large guilds? running with large guilds?

Are we familiar with the other guilds or have we enjoyed working with them in the past?

Do we want to be competitive? Do we want some challenge without having to face the insurmountable? Do we have another crew we can hand over our efforts to? Do we want to create another HoD 2.0?

All these will be factors up for consideration.

Every server is going to say we are friendly, we are the best, we are this and we are that. They are also going to say we are weak and the opponent is too strong.

Alot of information about the strength of various timezones and the “notoriety” of guilds are openly discussed often which gives a fairly good indication.

At the end of the day, although I hope AFS could join the BG crew, the decision where AFS moves to has to be respected.

Cheers and may you guys find a server that will meet your needs.

Just ignore Hockey. Whoever he is, one thing is certain. He’s a forum troll and he derives pleasure from stirring up hostility.

The more you feed him with your comments, the more it’ll egg him on

Hockey.2417:

The siege troll, mainly showed up, the last day of the contest, capping JQ’s siege limit, pretty hard to take keeps, with dps only……his guild tag btw is Choo, too obvious to be from Sor right? lol.

It appears you might not have been apprised of the situation.

Although his tag says CHOO, it is not the original CHOO. You will need to read the fine print instead of just relying on the main tag. This has been discussed in the previous pages.

He has also done that to tags such as MERC and AGG on different occasions.

As such, it is impossible at this moment to determine who this person is and who he/she is working for. A spy? An aggrieved player from JQ? A griefer from another server? who knows

It would be very much appreciated that such unsubstantiated claims are not hurled around on the forums

Hockey.2417:

Not real hard to “make a comeback”, when BG and Sor are working together. Just a game of letting each other take their area, then take em back, back n forth. BG and Sor are working in coodination, as many screenshots have proven. Let alone, the bg spy on jq building siege in keeps, to max out siege. Nothing like 100 flame rams in a keep. <Must be real proud to have to cheat to win. Oh well, still fun kickin but for JQ. Do whatever makes you proud BG and Sor, real sportsmanship(cheaters hahaha)

And why is the spy constantly being treated as a player from BG or SOR? Please provide some evidence to substantiate that claim.

This makes the JQ player community look bad with these constant baseless accusations

I’m not sure why people have this strange obsession about wanting to see guilds transfer out so servers implode and then gloat over that fact.

If it boosts your ego and makes you feel that your server is great, then all the power to you. But it also means that you are taking gaming too seriously and perhaps take a step back and re-evaluate your priorities in life.

Kryyg.8576:

Tattare.7980:

Its cute JQ is rallying all their weekend warriors for a patch week. The real match wont start till the 29th.

Seems to me BG has no commitment, rather than disrespect us because we enjoy the game maybe get your own server together.

I’m not sure how you managed to extrapolate it to mean no commitment, but we all need a rest once in a while.

Pulling all nighters definitely takes a toll and catching up on some sleep is in good order.

In fact, objectively speaking, JQ’s response is a testimony to how strong your server is and the other servers recognize that fact. That is a compliment.

Keep this classy guys. Cheers

I guess JQ is out to prove they are a force to be reckoned with. Nothing wrong with that as they have the population to do that. Indeed I reckon JQ will be able to pull a strong win this week given the current momentum they have.

As for MERC, I think everyone just needs a break after pulling all nighters. At the end of the day, it’s a game. We do our best when we can, enjoy it as much as we can. No point adding stress to ourselves.

ANET isn’t going to pay us anything if we burn ourselves out or give a discount even if we get number 1 although that doesn’t mean we will not try our best.

The current iteration of the game does need improvement to keep it spicy. Indeed, T1 is starting to feel somewhat stale due to the lack of diversity. So props to JQ and SOR for bringing the great fights thus far and keeping the game engaging.

Cheers and have a good week

Being objective, BG coming up to T1 will make the match competitive.

Will BG be able to beat SoR , that is a question mark in itself. JQ? That is an even bigger question mark. It is unclear what the impact of the transfers is at the moment on BG’s combat potency.

In all honesty, BG might not be ready for T1 but it will be at least be able to offer some decent competition. There are still many things that need to be “tuned up” in terms of fighting capabilities on BG. I would actually prefer BG to be in T2 for abit longer.

Lest anybody accuse me of being a JQ player spreading negative sentiments, I am from Blackgate. That is simply how it stands at the moment in terms of facts.

I also hope that the members of BG refrain from all the chest thumping about trashing server X or server Y. It will cause unreasonable expectations and destroy morale. Server morale needs to be handled cautiously and built up carefully if we want to do well in T1.

Zen.8497:

“To all servers who are saying “VoTF please come to our server, you will be appreciated because we have no EU coverage”

VoTF must have done their own research on the future server and their decision will be respected.

There is no doubt their presence in those servers will be appreciated but that is also selfish at the same time. VoTF CANNOT carry any server’s EU zone by themselves.

This was what happened in SoS, so moving to a server with no or weak EU coverage is basically indirectly asking them to “carry the server” at the said timezone. There needs to be some critical mass at least. Any guild that is expected to carry a timezone by themselves will suffer burnout

I wish VoTF the best in whichever server they choose and find what excites them as a guild in the game."

Let me guess you are just an disinterested JQ player and you just want what is best for VoTF right? You are very inconspicuous my friend

I’m surprised how fast people jump to conclusion that I am a JQ player. NO, I am not from JQ, from SoS.

To all servers who are saying “VoTF please come to our server, you will be appreciated because we have no EU coverage”

VoTF must have done their own research on the future server and their decision will be respected.

There is no doubt their presence in those servers will be appreciated but that is also selfish at the same time. VoTF CANNOT carry any server’s EU zone by themselves.

This was what happened in SoS, so moving to a server with no or weak EU coverage is basically indirectly asking them to “carry the server” at the said timezone. There needs to be some critical mass at least. Any guild that is expected to carry a timezone by themselves will suffer burnout

I wish VoTF the best in whichever server they choose and find what excites them as a guild in the game.

As it stands, I would personally say BG shouldn’t rush to go back to T1 at this point. Even with the new transfers, there are still certain areas that need polishing up before returning to T1.

Please don’t take this the wrong way or as a morale damper. There are still “performance gaps” in terms of how open fields, sieges, map awareness are fought on BG and the T1 servers. These should be worked on in the meantime.

I would be really excited that BG can return to T1 but it would be more prudent to do that fully prepared. This is NOT to say that BG is not T1 material, BG will return to T1 that’s for sure, but it would be good to do so well prepared.

Given that the current T1 servers possesses not just the coverage numbers, but the battle tactics have been honed from a long time in being in T1. It is a very different game especially in light of transfers who have brought in new builds and modes of fighting.

Take our time, hone up, polish up and enjoy the game before rushing back to T1. Return to T1 with a bang

Hmm..JoshP, I am not sure if you have the complete picture and saying that the other 3 guilds blame Tsym is not painting an accurate picture

For whatever reason we are going through in SoS at the moment, it is not prudent to be washing your dirty linen out in the open. It is an internal matter.

@ kefro:

Why in the world is there so much hate towards Oceanics? The same could be said for any server that has a stronger EU or NA population to provide the said coverage.

That’s just how the game rolls.

Well, as much as everybody says it’s WvWvW, there was never any express nor implicit rule that you cannot 2W v W.

Alliances can be made and broken all the time on the battlefield. Today’s enemies are tomorrow’s friends.

So what if 2 servers decide to team up and oust the 1st? I don’t see anything wrong with that.

Well, for all you know, SoS is merely taking a break, having breather.

Even if they intend to lose for strategic purposes, other servers who take offense at it can do the same. It’s a free world

Why are you angry with SoS?

I think there is a serious misconception here.

PRX came to SoS that is a granted. Credit goes to PRX for raising the WvW awareness in the server, changing how we played the WvW but to claim that PRX singlehandedly raise SoS to T1; that is just nonsense.

The entire WvW community in SoS raised the server rankings up. We did have superior Oceanic coverage, that is true and we’re not going to deny that, but that was perhaps our only advantage. Even today, it is primarily an oceanic server.

JQ has gotten the transfers to strengthen their server, its pointless arguing or do anymore mudslinging. if they have queue issues or anything, let JQ sort it out themselves, we are not in a position to tell them to do this or that.

SoS, we have to do what we can with our current resources and that’s that. All this cursing and what not is not going to make guilds leave JQ.

At the same time, we would also appreciate it if over zealous/passionate JQ players refrain from trolling as was the case with SoS’s recruitment thread. (it basically derailed the entire SoS recruitment thread). Likewise, SoS should also refrain from such forum conduct.

All that is left now is to see how the situation pans out. If we get stomped on non-stop to the point of boredom or if there are grounds to continue fighting the good fight.

Hi guys and potential guilds, SoS is genuinely looking to recruit new guilds for all time slots.

The recent news of server lockdowns has changed the population demographics on BG, JQ and SoS. We are looking for guilds for all times zones to join us in the fight as comrades.

Look beyond the trolling and negative propaganda that SoS does not need help or SoS is stacked. The reality is not true. We need help and reinforcements to fill coverage gaps; it is a fact.

Do you want to play with your guild as a whole instead of being in split up by queue times? SoS does experience periods where we are outmanned and pushed out of the map entirely.

In other words, it translates to mean
(1) no queues
(2) opportunities for different groups and guilds to play together and synergize

Looking for exciting fights?

JQ and BG have been going from strength to strength and field great teams on their part, so there won’t be lacking of a challenge.

Concerns with joining the top server

Rest assured that is not the case. Defending our server title is as difficult as trying to take it. More difficult it would seem and this is exactly where you will be making a significant contribution. The fights will intense and challenging for your guild and you.

We don’t feel like we’re contributing?

WvW is a joint effort across the whole server with each match lasting across a week. Everybody plays a part. It’s almost a baton relay with each timezone passing it on to the next, with each timezone doing their best. All guilds in all timezones play a VERY significant part and are contributing at all times.

Bandwagoning

There’s lots of smack talk going around about bandwagoning. No server is pure and every server has grown by absorbing guilds from across different servers.
SoS does not make that differentiation. Once you are on SoS, you are part of the community.
Prove to the “bandwagon” detractors on the battlefield that you are better than what they say you are on the forums.

Cheers

Why are there so many negative posts on SoS’s recruitment? How different is this “bandwagoning” problem not gonna happen on the other servers?

If you are concerned, do some recruitment for your own server and stop trolling SoS’s recruitment thread.

It is a recruitment thread afterall, the guild masters in EU will have their final say, there is no coercion going on

You don’t need a star next to your name to own your legendary. Why? Because you can craft it on your other alternates and equip it on another character.

And it is usually easier crafting legendaries using multiple characters

I fail to see why people have such a denigrating attitude towards a person walking around with a legendary but no star beside the name.

I’ve had my fair share of that negative attention which really baffles me, ANET gave you 5 character slots.

Why has this thread even digressed into the definitions and semantics of what “militia” is or is not?

That’s a thread for another time and place. Whatever servers want to call the non-guilded, players from small guilds, single players from different guilds running together, it’s up to them.

Trying to say this is derogatory, that is demeaning, we do this on X server, we call that on Y server is just as good as banging the table and forcing someone to like the same brand of beer that u drink.

If the players on the particular server know what term is used and how it is used, that is up to them.

You don’t expect BG, SoS or JQ or any server for that matter to simply adopt what you as a server think should be the correct definition. What’s with all this high horsing around, telling other servers what they should be calling?

Well, I would say culling is as bad or even worse after reversion.
This is most apparent in battles that involve 2 or 3 large groups.
You won’t see anything till you are dead and the opposing forces only appear only 3 to 5 sec after you are on the floor.

This has also led to exploits and glitches such as mass invisibility skills working in tandem with culling, mass casting of elemental skills to the point that nothing loads just to name a few.

This is a serious concern because WvWvW was touted as a major feature of GW2 and its performance has been very disappointing thus far.

It would be prudent that ANET expends more effort in fixing it because in the market there are many upcoming titles that are going to boast similar large scale PvP features and players will be spoiled for choice.