Guild Wars 2

question too, are thiefs the only one that kills mesmers/eles with impunity? does anything kills thief where thiefs cant do much other than run?

Thedenofsin.7340:

LAST BIG QUESTION:

Did you implement the fix that allows buildings/structures to take condition damage??

do you see a tree bleed? a statue having bloody bowel movements??

i agree tho the game is hardly balanced, and it shouldnt be, each class should have a strong standing point and a weakness. nobody should be god mode. but still it all depends on how the player plays their classes.

regardless of armor penetration, crit changes i hope, does not reduce crit damage or overall damage on existing builds, adding another factor to crit that goes for conditions are fine tho.

meh, i just hope that they dont do something stupid where a zerker thief with 10k hp can only deal a 4k crit damage backstab with 20 stacks of might. or something like no 100% crit chance, that would kinda promote people to go more power based and crit chance instead of crit burst, OR simply just go condi and screw the crit damage burst.

Vargamonth.2047:

Boyd.5438:

full soldier meta guardian does nowhere near a full zerker guardian damage, i have full soldier, full clerics and full zerker spec guardians… the risk on a full zerker guardian pretty much die 1 hit but deals very high damage comparable to thiefs auto attack at glasscannon mode.

cleric guardian hits like little girls with a bolster.

full soldier guardian deals damage but never will crit much damage.

consider this.

any class @ a 100% crit chance and 122% crit damage will deal

base damage +122% more every hit. tradeoff is 1 hit KO.

where soldier build will get around max 30% crit and at most 60% crit chance.

meaning base damage + 30% @ 60% crit chance lottery. BUT survive more hits and allow more mistakes to be made.

thats on the pve front.

wvw front is a different story all togather.

Tests on build calculators using Sw/Fc on a 10/30/0/5/25 build, fully buffed (up to where is possible, no banners and the like), shows full soldier having 62% of full zeker’s effective power. Math shouldn’t lie.

Guardians usually dont reach that high at critical damage since no investment is done on Valor. Also, the build is using RHS which leads to better critchances than with other classes.

Considering full boons and banner of discipline, full zeker gets 100% chance of dealing 254% damage, so 254% damage.
On full soldier it would be 39% chance of dealing 100% damage, and 61% chance of dealing 183% damage, so 150.6%, which is 59% of 254%.
The differences coming from the lack of banner and using a Signet of Accuracy on the calculator that doesn’t make any sense to use here (already 100% critchance).

Something that takes 20 seconds (without time warp) in full zeker, takes 34 seconds for a full soldier counterpart. It’s not THAT much for someone having 224% the effective HP.

As i said, the differences we use to see are not exactly caused by gear. It adds up, yes, but rune/sigil/trait choices and lackluster boon/vulnerability stacking is what makes the gap huge.

yea well u gotta know, RNG is a kitten sometimes. 100% crit chance is gurantee a crit, but with 80% sometimes u get 5 crits out of 10 hits. the % if not 100%, you wont know if its out of a million hits, or a billion hits.

say possibility wise, there is NO WAY to guarantee 80% of the hits you do on an opponent will be a crit, it might be 50% altho you have 80% of crit.

AND sometimes with 50% crit, you deal 70% crits on people just because of rng.

it is not relevant to count the % if not 100% because its not accurate, at least from what ive seen in real application.

but anyhow, my main concern is that they kill the effectiveness of critical hits and damage to the point of oblivion. there is no point of having zerker then because pvt or ppt will be fine and do same damage.

hence screwing up the high risk high reward scenario. they need more active content, not living story, but interactive/evolving AI.

ArchonWing.9480:

I wonder if anyone brought up condition damage.

All this talk about zerker dominance but one of the reasons why it’s so dominant is that the alternatives for defeating enemies are so bad.

If pve conditions were a viable alternative, then at least it wouldn’t just be zerker. If you want build diversity…

exactly, the problem currently is the cap on condition stacks @ pve. you are limited to 25 stacks, and they dont stack up more than that. having more condition builds are not viable BUT having condition duration stacking that support teamplay is.

honestly, full warrior zerker groups dont do as much damage as a dedicated group for dps. most of the time zerker warrior groups dont factor in the other conditions that help out like weakness and poison to avoid healing, they have might stacks, they can banner blast a lb fire field for 25 stacks and long fury durations,

what they dont have?

they dont have traits to deal more damage % when mobs drop below a certain amount. thats where other classes shine, and deal fast damage.

so many other factors to put into consideration… idk why are u guys dropping the bomb on zerkers because they do more damage. the worst groups are full zerker warrior groups because they honestly cant outdo damage @ ele + thief and engi’s.

best combo is always a mix to bring more choices onto the table. even rangers can do massive amount of damage with a melee weapon. but why do you think most rangers get denied dungeon runs?

first of all, most bad rangers, they use a single target weapon, secondly they dont use waterfields or spirits etc to grant team support.

same for any class, they simply dont do what they could do, instead just want to spam 1 and watch a movie. either that or they are just plain ignorant and use lb/sb combo…

ive joined countless groups @ pugs. ive seen the worst, bad, decent, good, awesome groups. i can tell you that awesome groups are not full warriors or even full zerkers, BUT, they are as effective as full zerker group and even better because they bring more to the table.

when a random pug group comes togather, and they automatically knows how to blast might, cast vuln stacks, reflect, block projectiles, remove conditions from you, stack boons and stuff, that is what most players want. honestly, who wants to carry a log that does nothing but stay there not moving?

heck man, ive seen zerker groups that come togather,
warriors that dont use banners,
thiefs that dont use blinds,
guards that doesnt stack might, stability or aegis only staff 1,
engi’s that only shoot with pistol,
ranger that stands far away shooting while group getting banged with conditions,
ele that uses a staff and stay faaaaaaaaaaaar away only using 1 skill,
necro that doesnt drop conditions or wells just staff 1 again
mesmers that never use feedback or phantasm wardens.

when you mention to them, hey, if you do this, we all get this. they will turn around and say “eh, f off, i play how i want”

now, do you understand why people get kicked from dungeons? why people ask for higher AP?

if you dont, its because higher AP players have been ingame longer and usually know what those are and what is supposed to be done.

have you ever had a botched dungeon run? all because nobody knows what to do and doesnt wanna listen to any suggestions? wipe over and over and over again? or runs off and die then expect a ress or rage?

its similar to wvw, no commander will want someone that cannot follow and execute. you stray u die. its a simple rule.

juno.1840:

Since your gear selection doesn’t impact your ability to dodge (which is the single greatest defense mechanism), there is little penalty for going all zerk. If the dodge mechanic were changed in a meaningful way, it could essentially balance out gears (in that gear selection has an impact on your survivability in addition to your DPS).

Examples (any/or)

• Lower vigor regeneration rates (so fewer dodges)
• Dodge doesn’t negate damage but instead reduces it by X% based upon toughness
• Vigor regeneration tied to a defensive stat like Vitality

This makes dodge effectiveness based upon stats which now has an impact if you stat for damage over defense.

dodging sometimes isnt what is making people survive, its the fact that they know when to dodge, and the stale AI is allowing it. OR because they know how to counter.

even if you remove vigor totally from the game, you still have aegis, blind, invul, stability, and skills that dodge on cast. most players that do pve content dont even bother with vigor because the normal bar works well enough. adding in with aegis, retreat, shelter, renewed focus etc for guardians, or shield stance, endure pain, and whirlwind slash skill etc offhand riposte.

some people even prefer blocking and deal damage if hit. because it maximize DPS.

now how are you going to counter that? remove block next?

full soldier meta guardian does nowhere near a full zerker guardian damage, i have full soldier, full clerics and full zerker spec guardians… the risk on a full zerker guardian pretty much die 1 hit but deals very high damage comparable to thiefs auto attack at glasscannon mode.

cleric guardian hits like little girls with a bolster.

full soldier guardian deals damage but never will crit much damage.

consider this.

any class @ a 100% crit chance and 122% crit damage will deal

base damage +122% more every hit. tradeoff is 1 hit KO.

where soldier build will get around max 30% crit and at most 60% crit chance.

meaning base damage + 30% @ 60% crit chance lottery. BUT survive more hits and allow more mistakes to be made.

100% crit rate also allows you to have sigils and conditions/boon on crit proc more often.

thats on the pve front.

wvw front is a different story all togather.

also u got to understand, IF YOU DIE U NEVER DID ANYTHING.

meaning its based on skills what u can achieve. not everyone have the same skill level or the understanding to survive that. especially people that complain all the time.

if you run PVT/soldiers, be prepared to hit less. if you run zerkers, prepare to die 1 hit.

its a learn to play issue.

but its also true that some things anet do defy logic. like projectiles cannot be blocked. but never stated until realized too late.

the game was about avoiding damage instead of taking direct hits. but im not sure where the direction its going anymore.

this isnt gw1… its a totally different thing all together. please, if you want the trinity, you can play gw1. dont polute gw2, its been poluted too much already. so much complains so much nerfing.

everyone is like “oh kitten thats strong” but never “woah that dude really knows how to do this and that.” and then nerf hammer hits, everyone gets bashed regardless if they are abusing or not.

even worse, people are asking for stealth to be removed, etc silly questions.

just play as is.. im sick of the changes they keep making on the game till the point i even played toons without traits being assigned without knowing it was reset…

sigh…

meh, its not complicated at all from what i see.

points are :

Some people
1, never learn how to use their class.
2, just want to facetank and watch a movie while hitting 1 key.
3, complain because they got ripped apart by some other player thats better in skills.
4, angry because they are generally not accepted in a group because of various reasons.
5, just to make life hard for others because they cant get it their way currently
6, want the game to be “MY WAY,MY GAME, MY PLAY!” instead of playing it as it is.

the game have alot of active and passive defense mechanics, like DODGE, BLIND, INVUL, STABILITY, PROJECTILE BLOCKING, PROJECTILE REFLECTING and many others that you can learn to use.

also there are a lot of skills that give you VULN, MIGHT, FURY, RETAL, BANNERS to support and quicken the pace of a particular task.

Issue now that is being debated, is that zerker dominating pve i assume.

here is a few key points, you guys might have missed out.

skilled players :

1, Understand how and what they need to succeed with less resistance.
2, Knows how to play their class.
3, Can support other team members by surviving and dealing more damage by being alive.
4, Uses all their understandings to maximize damage dealt and make things go faster.

MISC players :

1, DO not understand or use their classes to their full potential.
2, Complain because they are not accepted into groups.
3, having issues coping with game, not understand why people are doing certain things.
4, do not know what they are doing. running into a death trap.
5, Have an attitude that does not want to accept any suggestions to improve their understanding with their classes.

Regardless of armor type, there are 2 specific types of people that do pve. ignorant and arrogant, and people that are willing to learn.

there are no such thing as MY BUILD IS FOR THIS, I CANNOT USE SOMETHING ELSE. which is false when you can swap over temporary just for handling the situation.

some of the people say, condition players are not wanted. is that entirely true?

Vuln+ mightstack engi are pretty highly sought after. they run condi duration and conditions, they also buff might so team does 25% more damage and gain 25 stacks of might.

Condi necro with wells and duration stacking, which can effectively BLIND for long periods, convert conditions into boons. stack conditions for other players that have traits for higher damage dealt when someone have certain conditions.

just 2 examples.

now, THE ONLY DISCRIMINATION ingame pve, are towards those that refuse to LEARN, refuse to UNDERSTAND, refuse to BE A TEAM PLAYER.

regardless of HOW YOU CHANGE the meta, THERE WILL BE PLAYERS THAT STILL GET KICKED, EVEN MORE OFTEN due to the fact they DO NOT utilize or understand THEIR CLASSES.

also, the tradeoff with zerkers are they die one hit deal more damage, while pvt survives more hits deal less damage.

if the so called crit change is to reduce crit damage, it will be a very broken day for alot of classes/roamers, and pve’rs

why?

first of all, you are handicapping yourself now before you even get to understand the classes. you NEVER KNEW u can do that kind of damage or DODGE that way.

comparison pvt/vtc/zerker/assasins

you say pvt deal much less damage, but did you count in that they can HEAL because they did not get DOWNED?

zerker dies much faster, meaning does not allow mistakes.

its all about the player skill against each other. how you play, is your choice, but breaking everyone else gameplay because you cant understand or accept the fact that you are inferior towards other people skills is just plain bad.

learn to overcome, learn to accept. learn to work towards improving instead of complaining and begging for a nerf where in the future, you will regret the handicap you have placed upon yourself. and everyone else.

sometimes u gotta understand, regardless of having full zerker or pvt, its how the players play.

even if u give some players celestial gear with 3x the current stats, they still will die and complain about not being accepted into a group etc.

nobody wants someone that doesnt play as a team player, example : running out luring 20 mobs and killing the whole group over and over again.

nobody will want someone that doesnt know how to play their classes or use skills that are available for their classes which regardless of being zerker or pvt, can support the group with.

nobody will want players that does nothing except for dying and letting other team members to complete the dungeon while they stay dead to leech.

regarding the solo @ lupi etc, IF you can solo as a zerker, you CAN solo as a pvt.

but because of the sacrifices zerker make, they die 1 hit, so they do get to do more damage and kill things faster.

For PVT, because they have more toughness and vitality, allowing yourself to take more hits, you are penalized to do less damage.

For VTC, because you have alot of toughness and vitality, and high condi output, you deal average damage AND take less damage, because of the tradeoff, you are penalized by a time gate where you need your conditions to tick to do damage.

regardless of which you play, every class bring different things on the table to use regardless of being a glass cannon or a condi build OR a pvt.

most players prefer zerker players doing dungeons is because they ARE capable and KNOWLEDGEABLE enough to AVOID damage instead of TAKING DIRECT HITS and die. also they support others better by staying alive instead of dying all the time. which is supposed to be done by PVT players that can survive.

problem is alot of players that are new, tend to like facetanking. spam the 1 button without taking any damage, hence having hacks, exploits, etc.

fixing the AI would make the content more interesting like the Lidari @ gauntlet. that was fun. something new for a change.

having dodge, blind, reflection, projectile blocking, aegis, invul, stability. all this skills makes a player, not having 9999999 HP and 99999999 armor.

the general way things are going feels like SAB mode. 1 stick hits for fix damage, everyone have a pool of 1000 hp. u know those old bunker jokes from really old MMO’s? its getting sad.

meh, can u guys keep spvp and pve/wvw seperate?

you dont get foods in spvp that give +100 power or toughness or vitality etc or a combination of both.. nor do u get foods that give you 40% reduced condition damage etc

as anet stated awhile ago, PvE and WvW aint ment to be fair. there is always a Risk vs Reward thing.

if a thief can only do less than 4k backstab on a pvt guardian with 19k – 20k hp, that nerf is bad.

characters and the choices are kinda fine atm i think, unless anet is gonna change crit burst abit higher or combine it with a different stat but… jesus, please dont nerf it from existing damage point.

the risk of running on zerker is high where you get hit, u die. no chance to heal, no chance to recover.

running defensive build you can take hits, hp drop, heal up, continue hitting.. or kite around and heal then go back in… totally no challenge or need to learn how to play at all…

some zerker just cannot be hit at all or thats it, needs more skills, hence reward of killing things faster.

find a proper balance, please dont punish everyone for some silly complains about zerkers being OP.

you can someone with no clue of their class equipment that are PVT + ZERKER stats combined, double the armor, double the vitality, they still die regardless because they just cant play right… the sacrifice @ survivability to damage is quite high. altho in numbers you can take less damage, but in reality, you take one hit ure downed/dead

gear grinding and constant changing of traits play style etc isnt really fun.

anet timegate everything now and constantly changing stuff thats the core of the game which kinda sucks.

is this the start of an asian MMO where u have to pay to win or grind to death?

meh… why change smth thats not broken.. some classes might not be able to accomodate a pure crit/precision nerf.. like thiefs, have only 10k hp pool on zerker, make them deal lesser damage marks their deaths. changing sets to accomodate changes is also costly and are timegated atm.. why anet? why do you rob us of our existing choices.. are you changing stuff for the better? or making things worse?

straight answers?

what changes are you going to be doing to crit damage?

what is the chances of it being a buff not a nerf?

WHY are you changing it?

WHY do we not get counter buffs instead of nerfs?

WHY do conditions stack 25 stacks max?

WHY are we now limited to 5 targets per aoe?

sad.

kyubi.3620:

Getting AP is hard when youve been offline for several months so eh, i played since day one and im curently at 4800 because i skipped about 8 game month as well as all the daily opportunity that came with it (stopped chrismas 2012 and restarted september 2013, thx god i missed the whole scarlet junk) Guess ill have to work realy kitten dailies to cope for it but eh deal with it as they say.

There will always be elitism in the game but by limiting the actual impact the critical damage gearset has on party we can actualy get to use more varied builds.

eh no offences to those with less AP. what im trying to say is, some people just want a smooth run and do it with people that they know and are sure that can do it.

ive seen 1k ap dudes, heck even 800 ap dude do better than a 15k ap dude. but still, my point is, when lfg u see dem posts, its because they want it done fast. with no issues.

nobody wants do do a 3 hour ac path 1 run, do you?

hope they dont break stuff. been broken so many times. break again might be R.I.P. for myself. sad.

as alot of people say. stacking really isnt becuase its of being zerker or soldiers.

lets take ele as an example to blast might 18 stacks and fury 1 minute. u need to be in a radius to get the buff. stacking means you gurantee get that buff but if u are spread you dont get anything.

same as wvw when u run pvt or clerics, why do you stack on a guardian staff 3 skill?
to get the buff. outside it u get nothing.

the issue atm is a no issue, with that being said, reason why people ask for stacking is because of the active effects on skills. say blind from thiefs, blackpowder or smokescreen, if you are away from the field, the mobs chases you, they will not get blind becuase they are not on the field.

or say wvw might stacking, if you dont stack, u dont get rats kitten because the buff cannot reach you.

now, what is there to do with berserkers at all?

learning to play is an issue, not the game.

im not so sure about spvp since i really dont give a rats kitten with it. but meh, why blame zerkers when you dont understand the reason for stacking?

does running around like a headless chicken do any good? lets just take a simple dungeon like CM for example, or WvW and those condi spams.

CM mobs deal 6 stacks of bleed per swing, easily stack 25 stack of bleed on you, some mobs shoot scattered shot that deals around 1/4 of your pvt hp.

now, you dont wanna stack, you dont wanna reflect, u like it hard, u want to face tank without skills or learning how to use what you have existing. why blame zerkers? because they know how to use certain skills to stop taking damage?

or say even in WvW, u think you can, solo a group of 40 man zerg? or 80 man zerg? without dying just spamming 1? alone?

the game actually works pretty well if you actually know how to play your class efficiently.

theifs are blessed with blind, stealth.

guardians are blessed with aegis, and boons.

warriors are blessed with healing and their hp pool and CC

rangers are blessed with their range and pet and healfields etc

mesmers are blessed with reflection and clones

etc etc. all classes have their pro and cons, regardless of being zerker or not, its a L2P issue not a broken game issue.

also if u dont know why people ask for 5k ap 9k ap 10k ap for group. reason is quite simple, frankly people with that amount of AP understands how to play their classes, knows what to do when things go sour, CAN and KNOW how to do things right. well some suck but yea, most do know their thing.

people looking for that AP range players want things to go smooth, without issues. they dont mind carrying an odd newbie or 2, but sometimes problems arise when they do not listen and pretty much wreck everyone else.

most of the time players with 8k+ ap or so have their own group of people they do dungeons with or do wvw with, they only lfg 1 more when someone cant come online or so. some even just 4man or 3 man a dungeon. etc.

doesnt matter how hard u ask for a nerf, people still wont want you in a group regardless if ure PVT or zerker when you tend to kill your whole team by being a hero rushing in first or dont know what to do.

learn to play before asking for nerf hammer.

am i speaking the truth? idk. waiting on peoples comments.

you can f me all you want, but thats what i think.

kyubi.3620:

stof.9341:

kyubi.3620:

Critical damage is finaly taking the nerf bat… good ill be watching the video with popcorns and soda, while considering how ill make my minion master and rampager build for ranger the next time i connect.

This is a glorious day for everyone who never wanted to run CD in the first place, now to get myself a swordshield or summon weapon guardian and a rampager sword warrior ready for the fun.

Nerfing Critical damage won’t prevent a DPS oriented meta. And even if your rampager gear does more DPS than a zerk user, you’ll still be unwanted past the first party slot since your DPS doesn’t stack with other rampager users.

Indeed 1 or 2 cond damage per party at best but still better then forcing 5 zerk for max effectiveness on a team. However if zerker damage gets a weaken we might get to see other build like minion master and summon weapon guardian becoming more attractive to players because less personnal phys damage means pets gets a revalue damagewise.

My guess is zerker addict will rage and be depressive like a skooma addict for about a few week because we removed their Power play drug then will settle down and play the game as it was intended to be.

Intended to be, are you speaking for yourself or the whole gw2 community that spend more time enjoying ingame rather than forum warrior’ing?

only reason i came on forums is to read about the crit changes/nerf/buff or wtv it is.

after reading what you said, i just wonder. is it intended for yourself? like, having things changed just because you want it that way? or majority of the gaming community?

most topics on forums are always “ME, MYSELF, I WANT” or “I BADDIE, NERF EXPERIENCED”.

i highly doubt there are any praises @ forums, most are complains and anger, and changes that “I WANT” instead of “WE WANT”.

people that enjoy the game and dont come on forum doesnt even know the crit patch changes. i’ve just noticed when a friend whisp and mentioned about it.

be totally honest, i have also complained before when arah got ninja’ed @ alphard. also some rage when projectiles are not block-able by projectile blocking or reflection skills.

there are so many things ingame that doesnt make sense. but meh, sometimes i think its driven by posts like this, complain complain complain.

bring back holy trinity? easier. make gw2 = gw1. even better. wait, i know, lets make it all 1 stat, 100 hp, 1 skill. i hit u 1 damage u hit me 1 damage. no dodging deal?

ye just killed it with a mesmer.

smokescreen failed, WoR failed, Sanctuary failed.

feedback, focus 5, shield of avenger, timewarp. thats it. less than 1 minute.

but heck. some skills or description are just broken. lol.

dutchiez.7502:

Nosoyelarty.7268:

Wall of reflection is weird against the pull if you are melee because you are constantly pushing her, if 1 person pass through the wall or w/e to attack and get pulled everyone will die. Feedback still reflects it.

Yep, wall has always been wonky on this attack.

weirdly because feedback maybe is an area reflect it works, same like shield of avenger because of its height, and etc

for wall of reflection, it doesnt work unless the boss is exactly in the wall, same as sanctuary, that shots went straight thru sanctuary.

yea, too lazy to be posting. waste of time. anet doesnt care anyway)

still dont get it, why does wall of reflection read “reflect projectiles” but it doesnt reflect projectiles? weird. is this some kind of joke? :p oh well, failed english anyway. so wtv.

Phoenix.2518:

Boyd.5438:

TheMaskedParadigm.3629:

You can still reflect Alphard’s pull.

just tried wall of reflection, it doesnt reflect. only shield works.

I do believe that if anyone or any minions get hit by the pull at all, the bombs will still spawn, but if no one got it at all (due to reflection) then a bomb will spawn that attacks back. Were you alone when you reflected or was there other people/pets that got pulled?

idk, everyone was behind the wall of reflection, and the scorp wire went thru it, pulled us in, boom. dead.

TheMaskedParadigm.3629:

You can still reflect Alphard’s pull.

just tried wall of reflection, it doesnt reflect. only shield works.

well, it somehow encourage people to use more hacks. like those in wvw jump hacks, less damage taken hacks etc etc. prove me wrong by saying there are nobody using exploits because they think a particular dungeon is botched. or it doesnt give them advantages.

been playing for awhile and ive seen so many people using weird hacking things, like flying from a to b, orb days where people walk on air. etc. yea so what makes them do that? also those ninja “fixes” and empty promises? quite some time ago before in combat cannot port patch, they said to add more waypoints, 6 months down the road, where is it?

atm what happens is that the pull only deals about 140 damage, you cannot reflect the pull, only projectile block. once u get pulled, bigolbomb instacast 1 time, then bomb 1 second later after u land on floor, then 3rd will explode, which is the usual big ol bomb we dodge. stability helps, but u dont have it perma, its kinda impossible to melee becuase after a pull regardless of shield of avenger you get bombed.

edit, if you dodge the initial pull, the 2 instacast bombs wont happen.

anet, have you noticed that the more you try to fix things, the more broken it gets? prime example are the exploit users out there, benefiting them most because they actually dont give a kitten .

now, if u seen that screenshot where people are exploiting the bosses, u should understand its a FACT that you ARE NOT discouraging people from using hacks or bugs, instead you are PROMOTING people to find more of this glitches and hacks to be applied to game.

make it harder, bigolbomb x3 after pull. insta deaths. you can only dodge that many times.

whatever it is tho, all the best. merry effing christmas.

this is my assumption.

they might have “accidentally” swapped the dungeon and world guesting policy. or applied it wrong since last patch.

so now dungeon works like world guesting and world guesting works like dungeon instance.)

i think its just 1 misconfiguration on the system. they swapped the guesting from worlds to dungeons. now dungeons act like world guesting, and world guesting works like dungeon instances.

or if you dont understand that, ill make it simple. some dude tripped over some wires, randomly plugged them back in and tried to make it work again. it works, just not the way it should.

any quick updates about the issue and ETA till resolve? at least 10 hours ago the issue was acknowledged.

someone tripped on the switch wires and then panic mode random plug it back in then reconfigured the wrong stuff?)

yea this not funny. cap here cap there break here break there. :/ did you guys not test it before releasing? QC check failed? or no QC ? :/

is it possible to say… join up a few more server/mainframes to solve the issue? :p

btw, anet i think attempted to improve the client side related lag with loading lesser models or lower quality stuff.

i think there are 3 types of lags in total we commonly know :/

client side lags, server side lags, and ISP related connection issues/lag.

each are individual and separate from each other.

if im wrong dont shoot at me xD

client side lag is to do with our computer not being able to keep up with the “translation”

server side means the service we are connecting to, is having issues, either connections, hardware failure, or software failures. can even happen because of power shortage etc.

isp connection issues and lags, are more your cable connection and provider, example say if an earthquake hits, and a fibre cable breaks, your data have to be routed to the other end of the world to reach hence causing lags. or, they are doing maintenance/screwed up something and left without checking. more to do with routing issues.

is it possible for anet to lock down a player that logged into another server on another account so that they cannot login to a different server on a different account for 144 hours?

because people can just buy a new account, transfer some gold, and disturb the wvw game with siege, bogus upgrades etc.

any ideas to make it difficult or very costly to do such moves?

any account that are or have been used on a certain IP can be logged and interconnected to each other even on other IP adds/range via frequency of such use?

this issue has been dragging on for a long time and it is, i suppose “not intended” by ANet “Developers” ?

somewhat like monitoring unusual behavior of accounts and players?

i am not a tech person but just trying to suggest a viable solution of the wvw abuses that have been dragging on for such a long time.

agreed anet “developers” have improved the situation, but it is still problematic at this current moment.

im having trouble with a few other peeps trying to get into cof. stuck at loading screen for a long time,

had to close client and relog, then getting error code 19:9:18:1614:101. client exits and logs in again and back at fireheart rise.

whats the issue? :/

hey Mirta.5029, since you say you can do those temples, why not do it now? i can see 3 FULL population servers with them contested why not do it now?

straits and malchor is empty atm. so, what u gonna do about it? where is your passion to un-contest it?

or was that just all talk not action?

this is the things im talking about. people always claim this and that but heck. why are they contested? where is your passion?

TC BG and DB full and contested. show some love. open it all?

or is there no point because there is nothing good coming out of it?

show me. im keen to see what u can do with your “3 man” group you claimed earlier.

would love to see it on youtube too. 3 man band. please.

or is it just to disturb and annoy everyone else? forumers are watching

big guild.. kk. well whatever it is im out of it.

hopefully you guys get what you want. but mind you what comes around goes around. today you stuff someone, later one someone will stuff you up too enjoy.

Curo.2483:

Mirta.5029:

Most mobs in meta events (especially) are there to put pressure on you, not to give loot. The loot is that big nice chest that you get after the event ends.

This. The mobs are not there for you to farm. They are there to stop you from completing the event. The event has it’s own rewards. If you want to farm mobs, farm the mobs that naturally spawn, not the ones that are part of events. Event mobs should never drop loot, IMO.

no mobs in pve zone should give loots, only via event completion to get 1 or 2 loots

Blacklist, Ignore, Do it regardless. you cant?

what you are saying does not apply. if you are keen on doing it, how can you fail? unless you are alone. and if you are alone, you cannot uncontest the temple anyway.

so, meaning that YOU are asking for help, BUT people ignore you because they want to do something else.

you cant make another group to get the event done?

all because you alone want it done, everyone else have to bow down?

there are so many temples around orr and most of them are contested 90% of the time. so what in particular is so interesting with lyssa?

also my point isnt just that, but most of the orr events that got nerfed constantly when discovered by players since 8 months ago.

what you are saying is, its better to have an empty map where people dont go there at all because its trash and pointless?

i still remember when every single orr map was almost empty with only 1 or 2 people replying in chat. is that what you want?

Mirta.5029:

Icelin.8412:

Maybe your server isn’t very friendly then.

I helped out on more than one server when this was happening and people were asking for help to stop it. The reaction is always the same. It’s hatred that you finish the actual event.

why do you need it on more then 1 server if you just want karma gears? why are you purposely doing it so that wherever people go you just want to break the cycle?

it looks more like you dont want people doing the event to gain materials because you want to make life difficult for everyone else.

how are farmers ruining it for other players when other players can do what they wanted to do? there is no obstruction, no way we can interrupt normal players. besides you are a player and we are too. we aint botting or using 3rd party apps.

its kinda saying because im driving a koenigsegg and ure driving Mr.Bean ride, hence koenigsegg must be illegal just because it doesnt look and feel the same or it does more vs Mr.Beans ride.

so its fair to ripoff koenigsegg from me and give me a Mr.Bean ride too?

unknowable.8470:

Ah yeah, I am so happy about this…

Also farming is fine, there are heaps of farming areas in the game and many ways to do it… You just want the one that allows you to manually bot (there is no skill or risk and huge reward)
Also the amount of vitriol that came my way for wanting to do the event and then actively coming down to the right bottom corner and raising the event difficulty and then not contributing (or killing the last abomination and making all of them spawn and kiting over to the npcs)
Exploiters can go suck it.

I have enough irritation against those who whine and complain at anyone who wants to take a dungeon straight without exploiting it let alone experience that stuff in the in game world.

Honestly if you are that focused on getting something for essentially nothing go play a zynaga facebook game you mooks.

Lol I actually got insulted for doing the molten facility middle room straight rather than huddling in the corner, now I was never downed, heck never got less than 90% health and actually dodged and jumped every attack in that room twice with no hits in my playthroughs… Wasn’t forcing them and yet I get sworn at, called a noob and so forth (keeping in mind this is a story dungeon that is easy enough to two man and my actions had no impact on them in the slightest other than maybe highlighting how useless they are)

Ofcourse certain dungeons have exploits or tricks that are needed to be used because they are just that unbalanced but usually this is not the case.
Path 2 of flame citadel for instance (this is coming from last year as I haven’t run it since then) but that section with the bomb and where you had to protect the guy placing the bombs… Unless your build was GOD AWFUL you could ALWAYS just run in and kill all the mobs, interupt them and drag attention as a group with decent play and wipe it first go without any deaths, but nope people had to do the whole “nooooo don’t do that -insert swearing- you run in and die in pairs and then respawn and run again”
ofcourse this has to have changed to some extent due to the whole respawn thing changing in the dungeons I guess. But my point was more about the intense stupidity of some players.

OH OH like the elementalist who left my party because he wouldn’t run AC with two mesmers, AC is EASY, all paths… r_r

everyone have their own play style mate, you dont like it you can choose a different group. you dont have to ruin it for everyone else around you.

you want to die, you dont need to use a nuke.

Mirta.5029:

Boyd.5438:

nice time nice find. but still doesn’t help when i post one and wait for 2 hours and only find 2 people. besides i have a bunch of toons at fotm 50, im telling you by experience.

you can see those posts there but how many get filled compared to like say 3 months + ago?

alright, say it lost some of its steam, but still for fotm 48 it takes hours to get people to join. ill post one right now and see how long it takes for people to join

I can continue making these every hour even. For example Europe at 6 AM now (1 hour later) starts slowly waking up.
But you can check these yourself. http://www.gw2lfg.com/
Groups fill up so easily compared to not popular dungeons in the game. Like SE, CoE, etc.

no idea how u get groups so easy mate, im having trouble getting proper groups together. nowadays i don’t form a group i simply join one cuz its faster by 100%

i do have issues getting groups for fotm most of the time, ill screenie later when im doing a dungeon with a timer how long it takes

i got an idea, lets all organize a kamikaze wvw full map group, each server takes a turn on the 80 peeps from each other server, thats like 100 to 160 lootbags per turn :> lets see them nerf wvw too ;D

MakersMark.8420:

I am also disappointed. Disappointed that more difficult content in this game rewards far worse than easier low lvl content. I’ve done FOTM 30+ runs without even a rare, yet I have friends that do multiple auto-attack faceroll, lvl 20 and under events and get rare gear? Same with running arah. In the time I do that, others can run mindless events and get better results. I mean, I like the challenge, but don’t get the reward strategy here?

To me that seems odd. Likewise, the best money maker in the game is speed running easy content. In many other games you can at least do ok running harder maximum lvl content. Not so here?

i feel you mate, havent done dungeons much nowdays except cof p1 and sometimes p2. rewards are not pretty for arah or hotw.

coe is ok but long. missing the challenge from alpha tho lol. but its ok due to the trash loots.

fotm giving kitten anyway. no point unless u want the relics. normal mobs there got nerfed too i think cuz they used to drop quite alot of stuff.

there is no such thing of thinking out of the box in this game, its static programmed game. nothing much truly dynamic.

bah, forget it man, might as well organize a wvw group with agreement, 3 servers, each person taps once and kill each time for loots and wxp. much easier vs exploits.

full wvw map 80 x3 = 240 people – 80 = 160.

100 to 160 lootbags per time, take off armors and stand there better vs exploits.

Jski.6180:

Boyd.5438:

Mirta.5029:

Boyd.5438:

there are sooooooo many things that you dont see and dont know happening mate, its like long ago when win95 you can do so much exploits from the net, also modems where you can send shutdown commands or kill it for certain amount of time just to make them stay offline lol. how safe is the internet? nobody knows for sure

they can be taken to court if they dont state it but if they state it in black and white, accept or quit. then you have a choice to play or leave. it would be better anyway.

no, actually EA has stated that. The same way that they did state that they’re able to remove your game if you don’t play it for 1 year. They were still taken to court for that and such statements were removed. Terms and Conditions have to match up with other laws. You can’t state whatever you want in them.

imagine if anet filed a court case against botters

I am not sure if they can. It would be like bring a case to ppl who play there games after they payed for them if they do something “out side” of the user agreement. In truth this may be a means of dealing with the xbox one problem is there a right to not have added payment to goods after bought?

Boyd.5438:

dude, its about us man, we play in this game but considered as criminals. nerf after nerf after nerf in the name of botting. any other ways to stop this cycle of craziness?

get other solutions to fix it?

meh, ok, someone said putting an antivirus for this game is not possible, then make it impossible to hook on the game process? make it non inject-able? find a different solution?

come on… this been here for 8 months + and in this time period, we as players are getting hammered hard. why us?

are we all criminals? are we not supposed to play as we want? jesus christ, fix it. once and for all.

so many hacks not fixed, but “exploits” gets patched. google around and i see a tonne of hacking apps for gw2, in chinese, english, even in some other languages i cant read.

this u cant do, that u cant do. what can u do?

That the thing there no criminal case brought up this all falls under your aggrement to play there game. The rights they wish to give you is just that the ones they wish to give you.

I do not know many other solutions to fix the botting problem seeing thakittens been planing mmorpg from nearly the start and still going on i am not sure if there is a one solution trick to it. At best they must try to make what the botters are using as a means to make “too good to be true money” so they can turn a profit.

What you do not seem to understand is that these come up from ppl finding tricks in the system so what you may call a nerf is in truth a fixing of the system back to the way it was first made to be.

Look your asking for a short term gold farm after time this gold will become the stander. What helps you now will destroy things in the long run to where you MUST play the game this way. I could only stand the camp for 1hr at most but after months of it you would need to start to do it longer then that 1hr of time pushing ppl to NEED to farm and being that this was the best farm they would all go there.

that event and so many others have been here since launch… people been farming or doing it silently. now, since this is the case, next time there is a farm spot, best to keep silent and only do yourself and close friends. keep silent and stay away from others

when you guys say its meant to be, you are saying it for yourself? honestly tho, we have WvW to burn gold, have PvE to make gold. both to find some mats.

why must pve get nerfed? i just dont get the meaning of this.

so, if this is the case, we organize a massive zerg on 2 servers or 3, each take turns to tap and kill each other once, and keep repeating it for gold and loots and wxp and title. is that an exploit? i think with all the pve nerf, this might be a good alternative at least we can see people scream more)

Mirta.5029:

Boyd.5438:

well there is your prove. 6 posts looking for fotm compared to 60 a few months ago. no?

5 AM UK time. Do you want me to come back with a screenshot at 5 PM? This is the USA LFGs. USA is active at this time.

nice time nice find. but still doesn’t help when i post one and wait for 2 hours and only find 2 people. besides i have a bunch of toons at fotm 50, im telling you by experience.

you can see those posts there but how many get filled compared to like say 3 months + ago?

alright, say it lost some of its steam, but still for fotm 48 it takes hours to get people to join. ill post one right now and see how long it takes for people to join

Jski.6180:

Siigari.6587:

Boyd.5438:

Jski.6180:

Boyd.5438:

there should be a better solution instead of punishing everyone else. we are not botters, we are players.

introduce a 3rd party software detection embedded to gw2 or make it un-editable.

why must we suffer? why not let the 3rd party app users suffer?

if they are really keen on getting rid of 3rd party software/exe/app users, they should do it since in wvw, there are positioning hacks, which they can even see people in stealth, waypoint hacking, where people teleport to anywhere they want, etc etc hacks.

why, why must the people that play by the book get punished? where is justice?

why are we as players getting discriminated and treated as a botter?

why are we as people supporting a game and keeping it alive/lively getting punished?

why?

Well (responding to your other post too) how invasive are you willing to let Anet be? Is it ok with you if they know what going on to the program names that your running on your pc at the same time as your running GW2? There a point where they cant and should not look because that becomes an invasion of privacy.

there are signatures on the apps where you can list them as “hackware” just as how antivirus works. just needs to be updated by time to time. they can FIND it, Implement it, Block it. instead. looking back at the multiple variants of trojans, hackware, crackers, patchers. they are all signature based when scanned. even on android, games have anti hacking mechanism which detects memory injections etc. why not here?

Dude this is all a moot point.

Anet said they found a large number of botters. Well Anet should just take action against the botter’s accounts rather than use heavy handed swinging.

I swear to God, I had so much fun doing this. I quit playing back in September because every route to the path of least resistance was being nerfed. That wasn’t fun for me, that was like being abused. I just got back like, May 10th. Two weeks. I found the Skelk area down in Southshore and thought 1g an hour was REALLY GOOD. Then somebody told me about Union Waypoint. And now it’s been nerfed.

Realize it’s not a specific event that’s being nerfed. It’s a style of gameplay they’re nerfing. People who enjoy that style of gameplay are fed up, and these posts are evidence of that.

Anet. I’m done. I’m sorry I spent $30 on this game to support you because I had found means to an end. You won’t get anything else from me, even my user logged in to your game until you apologize to the community for abusing a segment of players who enjoy playing your game in a way that we have enjoyed playing other games.

Cya.

So its ok to keep events floating when other ppl could be running the event in full? Everyone knew it was going to get fixed i bet you did too dont put a “i quit” to something that you knew was going to happen in the end these forums are no places for such things.

dude, its about us man, we play in this game but considered as criminals. nerf after nerf after nerf in the name of botting. any other ways to stop this cycle of craziness?

get other solutions to fix it?

meh, ok, someone said putting an antivirus for this game is not possible, then make it impossible to hook on the game process? make it non inject-able? find a different solution?

come on… this been here for 8 months + and in this time period, we as players are getting hammered hard. why us?

are we all criminals? are we not supposed to play as we want? jesus christ, fix it. once and for all.

so many hacks not fixed, but “exploits” gets patched. google around and i see a tonne of hacking apps for gw2, in chinese, english, even in some other languages i cant read.

this u cant do, that u cant do. what can u do?

Mirta.5029:

Boyd.5438:

there are sooooooo many things that you dont see and dont know happening mate, its like long ago when win95 you can do so much exploits from the net, also modems where you can send shutdown commands or kill it for certain amount of time just to make them stay offline lol. how safe is the internet? nobody knows for sure

they can be taken to court if they dont state it but if they state it in black and white, accept or quit. then you have a choice to play or leave. it would be better anyway.

no, actually EA has stated that. The same way that they did state that they’re able to remove your game if you don’t play it for 1 year. They were still taken to court for that and such statements were removed. Terms and Conditions have to match up with other laws. You can’t state whatever you want in them.

imagine if anet filed a court case against botters

Mirta.5029:

Boyd.5438:

Mirta.5029:

Boyd.5438:

there are signatures on the apps where you can list them as “hackware” just as how antivirus works. just needs to be updated by time to time. they can FIND it, Implement it, Block it. instead.

and some anti-virus would find some of the games “hackware”. My antivirus kept on telling me that Kudos 2 is hackware.
Besides EA had already been punished from invading privacy like this with their Origin App.

it really depends on how you see it, the old method was running a plain “scanner” with hash check @ client side while launching will update the “virus” signature to detect the stuff. nowdays they have better methods.

besides, if anet decides to spy on you, they can. if you are so worried, do not run any scripts or executable files. point is, even on the launcher they could spy on you without letting you know. it wouldn’t be listed as a virus if written differently and newly developed because there is no such signature on the database of your antivirus.

If their launcher could scan other files on your PC and collect data they could be taken to court for that. EA was taken to court for that. You are aware of this right?

there are sooooooo many things that you dont see and dont know happening mate, its like long ago when win95 you can do so much exploits from the net, also modems where you can send shutdown commands or kill it for certain amount of time just to make them stay offline lol. how safe is the internet? nobody knows for sure

they can be taken to court if they dont state it but if they state it in black and white, accept or quit. then you have a choice to play or leave. it would be better anyway.

Mirta.5029:

Boyd.5438:

there are signatures on the apps where you can list them as “hackware” just as how antivirus works. just needs to be updated by time to time. they can FIND it, Implement it, Block it. instead.

and some anti-virus would find some of the games “hackware”. My antivirus kept on telling me that Kudos 2 is hackware.
Besides EA had already been punished from invading privacy like this with their Origin App.

it really depends on how you see it, the old method was running a plain “scanner” with hash check @ client side while launching will update the “virus” signature to detect the stuff. nowdays they have better methods.

besides, if anet decides to spy on you, they can. if you are so worried, do not run any scripts or executable files. point is, even on the launcher they could spy on you without letting you know. it wouldn’t be listed as a virus if written differently and newly developed because there is no such signature on the database of your antivirus.

Jski.6180:

Boyd.5438:

there should be a better solution instead of punishing everyone else. we are not botters, we are players.

introduce a 3rd party software detection embedded to gw2 or make it un-editable.

why must we suffer? why not let the 3rd party app users suffer?

if they are really keen on getting rid of 3rd party software/exe/app users, they should do it since in wvw, there are positioning hacks, which they can even see people in stealth, waypoint hacking, where people teleport to anywhere they want, etc etc hacks.

why, why must the people that play by the book get punished? where is justice?

why are we as players getting discriminated and treated as a botter?

why are we as people supporting a game and keeping it alive/lively getting punished?

why?

Well (responding to your other post too) how invasive are you willing to let Anet be? Is it ok with you if they know what going on to the program names that your running on your pc at the same time as your running GW2? There a point where they cant and should not look because that becomes an invasion of privacy.

there are signatures on the apps where you can list them as “hackware” just as how antivirus works. just needs to be updated by time to time. they can FIND it, Implement it, Block it. instead. looking back at the multiple variants of trojans, hackware, crackers, patchers. they are all signature based when scanned. even on android, games have anti hacking mechanism which detects memory injections etc. why not here?

Mirta.5029:

Boyd.5438:

i wish i had screenie but never did expect the loots to be nerfed that badly. and yes it does give 10 loots @ maw last time, even 2 months ago but still that depends on luck. now im not sure.

usually i get about 3 lodes/cores mix with few exotics/rares.

the last time i did it, it only gave blues and greens. and maw only drops 5 loots.

remember the days people run in just for the chest cuz they give high chances of exotics.. not anymore sadly.

you dont see people asking for fotm 38/48 anymore do you? i only see people asking for fotm 1, 10, 20, and thats about it.

and also honestly speaking, nobody wants to go fotm nowdays. myself wont bother.

i mean, honestly. if every chest have a rate to give 80% white, 10% blue, 5% green, 3% rare and 0.5% on exotic, with 1.5% misc orbs will that be ok?

that is the feeling/vibe im getting tho. you guys want it tougher. harder to get things, stuff on tp to grow in price until its totally impossible to buy and then complain about it when its too late. or to your advantages. :/

yeah those spots i do know. but the main point here in this post is :

Why are we getting Punished because Anet is fighting bots?

Why are we considered as “BOTS” or treated as one because there are a few running rampant?

and it still has a very high chance to get you exotics. I was running it daily recently to get more rings for other characters and respects. Sometimes I get lodes, sometimes I get account bound exos (with very weird stat combos, I even made a thread about it O_O)
And if nobody wants to run high level fractals then why can I screenshot this off the LFG site at 5 AM for you? The 36 to 38 one? It’s very kitten popular.

well there is your prove. 6 posts looking for fotm compared to 60 a few months ago. no?

Jski.6180:

Boyd.5438:

Jski.6180:

Boyd.5438:

when i started this game, it never lagged at all.. nowdays with all this fighting bots and stuff, we get rubberbanding, random dc, loots nerfing, etc etc issues… when can anet provide a proper solution to this issue instead of punishing everyone in Tyria?

imagine if obama makes merchandise have a tag with 50% tax involved because rich people are avoiding tax? is that fair?

Yes? If they are avoiding taxes they get find money for avoiding taxes that is in it self a type of tax. That been there for some time though.

ok, so maybe its fair to pay 33% tax and then because of the issue of people avoiding tax, merchandise tax increase from 15% to 50% overnight good on you.

next thing they will do is increase the vehicle tax price to 200% of the vehicle value. making it 300% in total for a car and another 50% for tax, also per 100cc increase in HP will increase the price of roadtax by “Power of two”, then fuel prices increase in costs by 500% by todays price due to the fact that fuel producing countries want more profit before it runs out

Well penlites for braking laws like that are major to the point that they can get jail time. Its a way of saying if you play fair every one should be happily if you do not then you take a major risk. The truth is avoiding playing tax when you have a lot of money (i am talking about lying about how much money you made to the IRS etc.. not the charitable tax deduction) is more destructive to socially over all then most murders. Kind of a build in responsibility of being rich or having a lot of something kind of a truth of living with other humans its not good to hoard every thing for your self.

Back on topic if the changes was due to bots then its bots to be blamed. This game has an economically. One that is a key part to how GW2 runs with out it the game would not work as well as they makers wanted it to. You do not want to see ppl doing /m to sell things its both annoying for ppl who do not wish to read it and not safe due to no trading system and even with a trading system there are means to “cheat” a person out of there gold. Anet seems to be ok with a living player farming all day long if that what you want to do with your time so be it (CoF main example most would love to see this nerf) but when it comes to a non living person Anet is not ok with this. One living person can farm all day but they must stop from time to time to eat sleep WC etc.. and that one living person is just that ONE person so the amount of goods for there time is not that great in number. Once we get to a non living person we can have something pull items into the system endlessly with no stop and it open up for more then one of that non living person to be used. I am not sure about the duo boxing point of view on all of this.

yeah this i agree, hence the question, why are we normal players getting punished because of the bots?

why are we players getting discriminated and treated as a bot?

why isn’t there a different solution to combat botters or in general 3rd party app users?

why must everyone in tyria suffer because of 1 or 2 rotten eggs?

there should be a better solution instead of punishing everyone else. we are not botters, we are players.

introduce a 3rd party software detection embedded to gw2 or make it un-editable.

why must we suffer? why not let the 3rd party app users suffer?

if they are really keen on getting rid of 3rd party software/exe/app users, they should do it since in wvw, there are positioning hacks, which they can even see people in stealth, waypoint hacking, where people teleport to anywhere they want, etc etc hacks.

why, why must the people that play by the book get punished? where is justice?

why are we as players getting discriminated and treated as a botter?

why are we as people supporting a game and keeping it alive/lively getting punished?

why?

Jski.6180:

Boyd.5438:

when i started this game, it never lagged at all.. nowdays with all this fighting bots and stuff, we get rubberbanding, random dc, loots nerfing, etc etc issues… when can anet provide a proper solution to this issue instead of punishing everyone in Tyria?

imagine if obama makes merchandise have a tag with 50% tax involved because rich people are avoiding tax? is that fair?

Yes? If they are avoiding taxes they get find money for avoiding taxes that is in it self a type of tax. That been there for some time though.

ok, so maybe its fair to pay 33% tax and then because of the issue of people avoiding tax, merchandise tax increase from 15% to 50% overnight good on you.

next thing they will do is increase the vehicle tax price to 200% of the vehicle value. making it 300% in total for a car and another 50% for tax, also per 100cc increase in HP will increase the price of roadtax by “Power of two”, then fuel prices increase in costs by 500% by todays price due to the fact that fuel producing countries want more profit before it runs out

anyway, whatever it is, the “botting” issue is just a cover. if you stay shut, more nerfs and loot reduction will come. until what point will you voice up and say that’s enough?

there are still loads of gold sellers, botters at other places etc. isnt there a better solution to prevent this? instead of making everyone suffer?

there are solutions that detect 3rd party software signatures and force close/force report, also they could make it protected so that it cannot be changed or manipulated by a 3rd party software..