Guild Wars 2

Lulz at you trying to tell us to leave after we already have. Sea of Sorrows is the last great server to be filled. Their Australian and Hong Kong population makes it one of the strong oceanic servers. They simply need a strong NA force to stop the day time (by server time) bleed. We will fill that gap with the help of the 2 other guilds now moving with us.

We never went to HoD lol, we were thinking about HoD when Darkhaven collapsed but chose Tarnished Coast instead because HoD queues were super long.

Don’t like TC losing everything at night so going to Sea of Sorrows.

We are already sliding over thanks for the invite and generous welcome.

We also have gotten some messages from guilds on other servers excited about the idea as well.

Cayden.4587:

Hix.8925:

I couldn’t figure out how TC is winning this week till I played this morning. Even with at least 2 to 1 numerical superiority in EB, SoS couldn’t take SM or VK. Heck, they lost Anz and WC while I was on (though we couldn’t hold). I think they did manage to take Quent for 10 minutes though.

Good luck with breaking the top 5 though.

Thanks for the publicity

brender.9728:

Cayden.4587:

Defiance is a 200+ Active Member who all Represent WvW guild. We look forward to working with other WvW focused Americans on Sea of Sorrows.

Sea of Sorrows has a huge Australian Population that wipes any night force they face. What they lack is a North American force. The benefit of this is that they have ZERO North American Queues at this time.

If 2 or 3 other large NA guilds came with us to Sea of Sorrows we would quickly move this server with the help of the Australians into the top 5.

This is a perfect chance for some guilds from those top 5 servers that are tired of your 3 hour queues to move to a server that has that night force in place and avoid your queues.

#TLDR:
-American Guilds come to SoS with us to avoid queues and join the strongest oceanic force in the game. This server will be in the top 5 in weeks.

I’ve never seen them in Darkhaven (WvW), DarkHaven Unleashed Alliance (DHU) “that was currently inactive because everyone migrated to DHA” and in Darkhaven Alliance (DHA)

I don’t understand the point of this? We left Darkhaven when FMC and UK did back 2 weeks ago. That screenshot is 2 weeks old, we have been on Tarnished Coast for 17 days which is why you don’t see us around. I don’t quite understand what your focus of posting on this is?

Posted current pic taken at 330pm EST (1230 Pacific) Not our peak time by far but anyways I lack understanding of your objective.

Ohh nice they posted the new queue times?

Elmy.5201:

Might want to change your sig. And 200+ active members? Where were you guys on TC?

We didn’t want to be on a server with bigger queues. Sea of Sorrows fixes that while also giving us a server with oceanic population.

If you want to join Defiance on Sea of Sorrows contact Akadios, Xercisis, Sharan, X Grog X, or Exodys in game or go to www.defiance-gaming.us

Defiance is a 200+ Active Member who all Represent WvW guild. We look forward to working with other WvW focused Americans on Sea of Sorrows.

Sea of Sorrows has a huge Australian Population that wipes any night force they face. What they lack is a North American force. The benefit of this is that they have ZERO North American Queues at this time.

If 2 or 3 other large NA guilds came with us to Sea of Sorrows we would quickly move this server with the help of the Australians into the top 5.

This is a perfect chance for some guilds from those top 5 servers that are tired of your 3 hour queues to move to a server that has that night force in place and avoid your queues.

#TLDR:
-American Guilds come to SoS with us to avoid queues and join the strongest oceanic force in the game. This server will be in the top 5 in weeks.

Don’t come to Tarnished Coast I guess :P

Last night it was high for hours

We just got finished crushing Maguuma so no…

Defiance [RUN] is also taking on Australian unguilded players who want to come to TC. Contact Akadios, Sharan, Xercisis, X Grog X, or Exodys in game.

We are already going to take Dragonbrand down this time.

Defiance shot some people over to SoS today to take a look around and give a good fight during peak times lol. We made sure that we were on the same zone as the Defiance on TC. Good times.

The resulting conclusion was that Tarnished Coast has US and Euro Timezones covered and only needs Oceanic. SoS is lacking Euro and US which will leave gaps where they will lose everything even if they get US guilds.

The other conclusion was that even though we have 200 members and are very experienced we would need at least 3 200 person guilds to make a real difference because at US Times servers are expected to be queued everywhere or GTFO.

This left us to the conclusion that SoS should send some people to TC so that we can move up in the ranks as the only gap we have is what you can provide.

Our north American queues are already from 30 minutes to an hour. Coming to this server is not really a good option for American timezone players.

I doubt a majority of players feel like the above player. Euro, Asian, Oceanic, Russian, and African guilds/players will be welcomed by a majority on TC.

Gates of Madness hacked out the orbs and broke the altars at all of all the keeps in their homeland this means that they will by default get the orb bonus from this borderlands because we have no place to put the orb.

In addition they also managed to trigger the Guild Claimer exploit at Garrison where the guild claimer has the Determination buff non-stop even without the orb. Please reset the altars and punish Gates of Madness.

Gates of Madness has now hacked their way to all 3 orbs.

Gates of Madness hacked out the orbs and broke the altars at all of all the keeps in their homeland this means that they will by default get the orb bonus from this borderlands because we have no place to put the orb.

In addition they also managed to trigger the Guild Claimer exploit at Garrison where the guild claimer has the Determination buff non-stop even without the orb. Please reset the altars and punish Gates of Madness.

Better view of the screenshot of hacker…

Gates of Madness hacked out the orbs and broke the altars at all of all the keeps in their homeland this means that they will by default get the orb bonus from this borderlands because we have no place to put the orb.

In addition they also managed to trigger the Guild Claimer exploit at Garrison where the guild claimer has the Determination buff non-stop even without the orb. Please reset the altars and punish Gates of Madness.

I can answer this easily. You wouldn’t, right now the ladder is screwed up one because of a lack of data, two because of server xfers, but three and the largest is because of the wvwvw system skewing the data.

At some point you came in first or second when you shouldn’t have and got higher than you should be. At the same time those dudes probably came in second in matches where they should have beat either team alone.

Bam now you are facing someone outside your capabilities…. primarily thanks to your “balanced” wvwvw

hunTShoo.1247:

usally #1 and #3 go for the 2nd on because 1st has to save the lead and 3rd want to claim the 2nd place.

Only to a certain point once #1 gets so far ahead no one else can win they stop focusing on 2 and just attack anyone (ie both). At this point #2 attacks #3 primarily because they need to keep #3 down to hold onto second because the ladder gives points for second place.

WvW (2 teams) may not have worked well in all games in the past but this is clearly worse. NOw you have an imbalanced system to start just like other games and then actual rewards for two teams teaming up on the last place. Also there haven’t been many games with WvW so stop acting like there is some deep knowledge base that 2 teams doesn’t work.

BTW IMO the only answer is to create 3 server groups by time zone. (Oceanic, Euro, Americas) and then shut off wvw for 8 hours on those servers at night based on there time zone…. say from 2am PST till 10am PST on the Americas servers. Is that fair for all? No but it is the only solution I see. It is a game you also can’t expect people to “stay up and defend” or “Recruit a night force”

I don’t think this is the answer however I want to say almost all of you are a being kittens and being stupid and childish.

Ya wvw is 24/7 he knows that and he said that he wants them to change it. So arguing that wvw is 24/7 is dumb.

He also never used the term exploit.

He is correct WvW is not war it is a sport.

However i should add that when I was in Iraq we did shifts and ya I slept through the night. There was minimal guards and no large extremist force swept in and killing us and taking over our base because they were asleep too…. They also thankfully didn’t magically teleport from around the world where eit was the middle of the day and attack us at night either.

Lastly for those just simply pointing out the game is international and you shouldn’t punish people for there time availability you are correct and this idea isn’t the answer.

kitanas.3596:

I would argue that a three way fight is inherently more balanced then a two way fight.

I disagree with this and went over the reason why in the original post. To recap though, once a team pulls ahead due to the ladder system and scoring the best move that the second place team can do is attack only the third place team in an attempt to retain second. This means the person that actually gets teamed on is the person in last. It is something that is happening right now on basically every WvWvW match.

bluescape.9176:

Scalyon.7028:

A simple “two-faction” system does not solve these underlying problems either…

Quoted in agreement

I agree with this too. However the point I am trying to make is that the 3 faction introduces another imbalance. If they switched to 2 realm until they work out the rest then it may be an easier and better balancing process. Then once they work out the nightcapping and all that they can look at what happens if they add a third server.

Also If you split the 500 per map into 2 teams each team gets 250 which is about 80 slots more than they get now = reduced queue times.

Scalyon.7028:

Disagree. Two “faction” systems have NEVER worked.

I disagree with this logic. Just because 2 faction has its issues doesn’t make 3 faction actually work.

The issue here is this: 3 faction isn’t working, period. We see it, it is in the here and now.

It has worked in some games like Planetside because there is no score. The goal there is the fight. You don’t have currency and keep claiming and upgrading, you just fight. That isn’t the case here, here there are scores, ladders, new matches, rankings, currency, upgrades, etc.

It is time to look at this and admit that 3 faction isn’t working either…

As such it becomes clear that the issue is something else (and probably was with 2 faction too). Having 3 factions just makes it harder to determine what that something else is.

Having WvWvW doesn’t balance anything. It is based on the concept that the 2 weaker servers will team up on the stronger server but that is never the case. The reality is that because of the ladder it is actually important who comes in second.

As such the best move once one team and pushed far into the lead is for the other two servers to focus exclusively on each other to attempt to solidify second place. This makes it easier for the winning server to simply keep winning.

This also dilutes the validity of the ladder in making balanced fights because every match is in effect almost random with the exception of super large power differences such as HoD vs anyone.

Not saying we will win of course y’all beat us but it didn’t help that Maguuma’s #1 goal was trying to come in second. Just saying can’t wait for the rematch.

NoizeMaker.8367:

Vekseid.4286:

The goons have honestly been a lot of fun without Dragonbrand around stomping us both while we’re sleeping.

It took four days for someone to grab all three orbs. Much better than last week.

Stomping you both when your sleeping? We stomped you 24/7 and your that low to blame you being bad on night capping? What a bunch of babies. That just as bad as HoD and SBI and ET kittening at each other.kittenpeople get a clue please.

Just let them feel big bro, it has to be hard on their server and on GOON to know they are going straight down to the last bracket of servers now. I can’t wait to play Dragonbrand again… without Maguuma there to mess it up. Wish there was WvW instead of WvWvW….

Feels good bro!

Yorkie.8950:

And the other maps … are … wait…

Blue…

Your point is?

I love when people get so mad they lie about the status of things to try to make it not sound as bad.

@GOON: umadbro?

Sad that another patch apparently has come and gone with no improvement to the squad commander system. Why don’t the devs take this issue seriously :|

Xivlia.5039:

it just annoys me…. why release a patch when its not ready? why get peoples hopes up if it going to let them down the next minute.

and if your gonna report a bug… you need to rage to get their attention. thats the only way it works.

The reason they did is because of MoP release and wanting to have forward progress or the appearance of it.

Tarnished Coast.

Lulz, he gave up… Good Job TC!

I am the leader of Defiance. To be clear we frown on all jump puzzles in WvW as we.are highly organized towards keep capturing. So no we don’t support anything around jump puzzles they are stupid and should be removed from WvW.

As far as this spawn camping to defend our bases goes; as the leader of one of the largest WvW guild on TC, I approve these actions. The only thing that disappoints me is that there is only like 6 ppl there. TC mount up and get more ppl to these camps.

BTW great job BANE us NA players on TC thank you.

Also this is a system issue. What should our people do? Abandon the zone until you get a tower back?

Is is a problem with WvW that isn’t being fixed because every match about half the people don’t admit the issue because they are winning or close to winning.

Aww look at the QQ.

The reality here is this: Last week when you won in your low end bracket where you belong people were probably saying the same things about you and you would probably just call them noobs. The original response above is to vindicate them.

Now for the serious response: No one likes this stuff but it will happen until WvW is fixed. It is important to remember how this feels now and stick behind change even once we push you back to a more appropriate bracket and you start winning again.

Editted because the post didn’t save right the first time.

Problem: Botters in WvW eating up queues and PvE runners eating up queue.

Assessment: The large number of fast spawning npcs and events in wvw has attracted large numbers botters for two reasons. First one of the fastest spawns of events and creatures in game. Second most non-bot players don’t do skritt or centaur.

Additionally the chest reward jump puzzles, vistas, skill points, poi’s attract large numbers of people not participating in the battle.

Solution: Remove all creatures and non-pvp events, vistas, jump puzzle rewards, skill points, and poi’s from Borderlands and Eternal. This includes Creatures in the lake related to weather control nodes(lightning). Quaggin, ogre, etc as they can be farmed and basically add no real help for owning them.

Expected Outcomes: Botters will immediately leave WvW, non-pvp players will immediately leave WvW, Queue times will improve, Rendering will improve, borderland seige and defenses will no longer annoyingly get lightning’d to death(no one likes this), WvW players will no longer eat up queues while doing jump puzzles.

Difficulty of Change: Low, most items should simply be able to be switched off with no need for any actual scripting.

I encourage a couple officers from eBay to come join our guild on TC tomarrow to see 1 that there is no alliance and 2 that what you are assuming are large TC zerg is actually two large well organized guilds with a smattering of pugs most of whom join TS.
(On Maguuma BL) but our server has these setups on every continent.

This is an honest offer so we can get by this and show you simply why we are winning based on our strategies leaders and teamwork.

PM me here if you want to come visit.

Please do a mass banning or wuspnsion and take the exploiters gear and drops or just roll back their characters 6 days.

I will be really angry if no one gets banned for this. I am tired of all the people getting to keep their stuff after arenanet fixes stuff or changes it.

Noobgonewild.7389:

Have you been watching the WvW scores? We are far from 3rd.

You are third now… However there is no Maguuma/TC alliance see image below and you will note the following things,

1: We pushed both of you off our Borderlands (Thus us vs both)

2: We were pushed off Ebay but Maguuma is still there so clearly Ebay/Maguuma vs us.

3: We hold Bay on Maguuma BL but not Hills and Maguuma took Lake Tower so no MG/TC alliance.

4: We are Crushing EB holding off Maguuma advances as you can see they are doing while crushing your towers.

Noobgonewild.7389:

Well I prefer this lame excuse to the, “they play later than us” nonsense. But how would this explain us holding you all off while being double teamed? Try again.

Your not being double teamed lol. We are just better than you and this score makes it clear you aren’t holding off anything. Please now just take Maguuma and go back down to the lower ranks where you belong.

Just to be clear the only reason EBay got off to such a good start on Friday was because as soon as the game started TC went straight at Maguuma. The reason for this is because we came in third last week because of dragonbrand and we wanted to make sure Maguuma knew what was up… namely that they aren’t better than us and that they were lucky that dragonbrand also saw that and pushed us harder than them.

We did underestimate you but that was a choice and was not related to you’d being competition for us. Go back down to your low end ranks and plz take maguuma with you.