Guild Wars 2

Ryan.8367:

Cuddlepie.8109:

Ahhh … you PvF like you roam. Three against one, still playing the meta copied from a few months ago, and utterly ineffective.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WtxVh1D0E1g

Classy, a link to a video with the title “Ultimate (insert word referring to non-hetro orientation) Fighter OFFICIAL TRAILER”.

What’s next Ryan.8367, AoN and the Mag community? “Ironic” links to race-inspired videos or a game about domestic violence?

Well played.

deathTouch.9706:

This Cuddlepie’s PvF is confirmed god awful, but their bandwagon mastery is maxed to the extreme.
With it maxed do you automatically get a free transfer when a new server reaches the #1 ranked spot in NA?

Winkin.1490:

So angry. BG is like the anti-fun server.
edit: I knew your name sounded familiar:
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/wuv/wuv/50-Tier-1-WvW-wins/first#post2692329
Too good

Hydrobutter.9172:

dang thats a lot of words to talk about how not mad you are.

Ahhh … you PvF like you roam. Three against one, still playing the meta copied from a few months ago, and utterly ineffective.

deathTouch.9706:

Cuddlepie.8109:

Winkin.1490:

Gilgamesh.7364:

deathTouch.9706:

robocafaz.9017:

Also, these Blackgate Roamers have been giving me some of the most intense fights I’ve ever experienced.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4T43zqnix9E

I’ve seen and participated in many 1v1s, but that by far was the most intense I’ve ever seen.

Really glad we’re getting such a great skill challenge from BG this week. It feels like its only been hours since we’ve faced such skill from other match-ups.

I was more shocked to see that there’s actually a group of more than 5 Maguuma in WvW.

Usually you guys are hiding inside your spawn

1/10

1/10? Well, that’s arguably a generous score for the feared Maguuma Youtube roamer who styles themselves “Hashtag Blaze it”.

BG PvF at its finest.

At it’s finest? Particularly, although apparently unconsciously, ironic as there’s multiple Maguuma posts responding to the video link, zerg PvFing.

So thanks for the comment and the unintended laughs – both here and on the BLs. Why the BLs? Well, I’ve seen AoN roamers and the answer to the question is in: it’s “Nothing”.

Their idea of roaming is the skill equivalent of a staff Guard spamming 1.

Winkin.1490:

Gilgamesh.7364:

deathTouch.9706:

robocafaz.9017:

Also, these Blackgate Roamers have been giving me some of the most intense fights I’ve ever experienced.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4T43zqnix9E

I’ve seen and participated in many 1v1s, but that by far was the most intense I’ve ever seen.

Really glad we’re getting such a great skill challenge from BG this week. It feels like its only been hours since we’ve faced such skill from other match-ups.

I was more shocked to see that there’s actually a group of more than 5 Maguuma in WvW.

Usually you guys are hiding inside your spawn

1/10

1/10? Well, that’s arguably a generous score for the feared Maguuma Youtube roamer who styles themselves “Hashtag Blaze it”.

Smoke.8510:

We have good commanders, we need more incentive for people to kitten listen! “I’m not following you, me and 20 other people are gonna run around and get wxp while you fight (and win) outnumbered, but were gonna complain forever if you lose.” <this is the reason our guilds are running untagged and no one wants to tag up.

The way I see it, commanding a guild group is easy. They’re built right, comp tends to be at least OK, they’re on TS, they listen, they move together, they use the right skills at the right times.

Commanding a pug/militia group is far more difficult. You have to understand their motivations and feed them sufficient karma/WxP to keep them following and cohesive, be far more conservative in your tactics, often you move significantly slower, and sometimes you have to adapt the players on TS around what the mindless are doing (eg. large numbers chasing a single kill). I’d argue that having commanders with sufficient patience to do this and sufficient personal resilience to cope with the frustration is a major part of a T1 server’s success.

Fannwong used to be a master at this in WAR.

IceVyper.6810:

None of them did so for monetary rewards, they did so for personal challenge, for glory and because it is fun. Now that this is being taken away, they feel cheated. Not only because they have to level back from 30, this is easily done. But because there is no guarantee that this hard content will be accessible again. They do not want 5 gold per resetted level. What would make them happy will be a one time special skin, a title or maybe a unique mini, unobtainable in any other way. They just want something to show for their accomplishment.

I personally don’t understand the logic of the compensation argument:
1. The motivation for high level fractals was ‘personal challenge, glory and fun’.
2. Therefore a unique reward is needed to ‘to show for their accomplishment’.

Firstly, the rewards were intrinsic and already received. So how is additional extrinsic compensation in addition to your sense of satisfaction and no actual loss justified?

Additionally, the ‘accomplishment’ was not one that was designed to be rewarded in the game. So why should it be rewarded? To draw an analogy, GvG was not designed into the game but guilds chose to do it for pretty much the same reasons you’ve quoted. Shouldn’t they also be receive a reward now that the Edge map is being introduced and the system is being changed?

I’m not trolling, these are genuine questions. I don’t understand what I see as a sense of entitlement for something you weren’t asked to do?

Luxon.1389:

I think more people are upset and bring up ZD’s transfer over MERC or any other guild is because of the timing. MERC transfer happened a week before league?

I don’t agree. The drama round MERC’s transfer was very real. But it hasn’t been mentioned much in this thread because it’s been covered previously. Tark will bring it up every now and again, and I’ll look up some screenshots and respond, but it’s done.

One difference between the two, is that the MERC recruitment was from two directly competing servers. It had a double effect, taking away from BG’s coverage and adding it to JQs. The PPT results were devastating, although mitigated to an extent over time as the community rebuilt itself. It’s like taking an objective from JQ over SoS. A SoS tower gives you 10 PPT. A JQ tower effectively gives you 20 PPT (+10 to you, -10 to them).

Personally, I don’t have an issue with the idea of server recruitment. It strikes me as a valid part of the meta. It’s like an extremely dumbed down EvE, but still adds a strategic level to server politics. Of course, it also impacts on queues and the ability to get your guild into BLs/EBs as a cohesive force but that’s part of the consideration for that server’s leadership. Others will disagree.

[edit: fixed formatting]

Tarkus.4109:

Did you not play oceanic at all on BG and see how many guilds played on JQ at that time? They had none as TKG is technically SEA from the hours that they play (~8pm oceanic). BG recruited more oceanic to counter SoRs OC, which was composed of late NA nightowls, HIRE (who could run a queue zerg themselves) and OCX/TSYM/GC/early SEA. Back then it was justified, now it is not – with OCX going more to the PvE spectrum of PvX and HIRE reforming; us moving meant that we were no longer getting 450+ ppt in oceanic which wasn’t fun for us at all. I get that you’re kitten ed that we moved, but seriously if we wanted to PvE we’d all be playing hello kitty online.

The week before leagues was kinda irrelevant considering it was admitted by a lot of commanders from BG via tells and on this forums that they were taking a break that week. Also in regards to the leadership being paid, well thats kinda misleading; we were given 40-50 gold per core member after after we transferred from our own funds (~110 gold). Moving was because we were dying on server, and I’ve told you this multiple times but you keep on whipping an imaginary dead horse over and over again.

I give ZDs props for being solid on field, but our sitations are not comparable – more similar to legends never [DIE] where thier main motivator was being able to play the freaking game as a guild. Where we differ is that we might not have had a guild much longer if we had stayed.

OK, facts time:

1. Did you not play oceanic at all on BG and see how many guilds played on JQ at that time?

You know the answer to that question. I played Oceanic from the beginnings of TA, through the time you were in the original [DiE] and I helped Mooon train you as a commander, to the present. In a small way, I’ve helped to rebuild BG’s Oceanic community while you were enjoyed ticking 500+ on your new server.

2. I get that you’re kitten ed that we moved. Actually, all I was doing was pointing out that if BG did pay ZD then JQ certainly did the same by paying you. My argument wasn’t a criticism of you nor MERC nor JQ, it was a statement of fact providing a precedent.

I understand that you’re sensitive to perceived criticism, but regardless of any regret on your part over what you said about the MERC who stayed on BG, there’s not necessarily an accusation behind every corner.

If, however, you pick at your scabs they bleed.

3. Moving was because we were dying on server, and I’ve told you this multiple times but you keep on whipping an imaginary dead horse over and over again.

You’ve told me a number of different things about why you moved, including that you didn’t want to but Ralikh made you. I’ll point out, again, that I didn’t criticise MERC moving … I stated it as a fact using neutral language. I’m sorry if this upsets you.

4. I give ZDs props for being solid on field, but our sitations are not comparable.

Agreed. There’s a world of difference.

BTW, if you take time to digest my post, you’ll see that it’s complementary of JQ and their achievements. I’m perplexed why don’t see yourself as part of that community?

Windler.4815:

As for BG… Every server knows that they bought the guild (ZD) to be on and to be the strongest server during every NA servers (especially SoR and JQ) weakest timezone to sway league their way. Hence, they knew they needed to go shopping for guilds because JQ and SoR beat them week 40 and JQ beat them horribly week 41 leading up to league.

Everyone knows they organized the 2v1 on JQ. SoR played the hand they were dealt because they knew to get second they had to put JQ in 3rd in the first weed and do it again on the last week of league.

As for JQ, you’re the true winners. JQ, since the beginning of GW2, has been T1. That’s the ultimate compliment, because with guild shifts as frequent for a server the fall can too. SBI, SoS, and many others that have been to T1 can preach to that. JQ has won the most times out of any server. (19-1st, 17-2nd, and 19-3rd=55) The closest one to them is BG (14-11-14=39).

So no matter what JQ, you’re still the true, clear winners even if you don’t get 1st or 2nd over this politically manipulative league season. BG can have that win.

Ahh, the temptation to interpret history to suit your own biases.

1. Every server knows that they bought the guild (ZD) to be on and to be the strongest server during every NA servers (especially SoR and JQ) weakest timezone to sway league their way.

<shrug> While ZDs move to BG has been covered in a large number of threads before, the pertinent point is that JQ have done exactly what you’re accusing BG of. JQ paid MERC’s leadership to move from BG to JQ – a double whammy because JQ were strengthening their PPT while denuding that of their competition (there’s a distinction here with ZDs’ move that should be understood). The PPT results can be seen in the mos results for W41.

Your sense of outrage would be more credible if it was warranted.

2. Everyone knows they organized the 2v1 on JQ. SoR played the hand they were dealt because they knew to get second they had to put JQ in 3rd in the first weed and do it again on the last week of league.

BG also played the hand it was dealt with. The ANet S1 draw was seen to have given JQ an easy run to a win. At the time, there was no other option for either BG or SoR than to focus JQ. You can call this a ‘politically manipulative league’, but there’s a meta to this that actually adds complexity and spice to the matchups. Of course, SoR’s inability to be as competitive as most thought has meant that the ‘easy run’ theory is invalid – BG got as much rest as JQ in those weeks. But the second order effects of it are possibly still relevant. Given the results of the three BGvSoRvOther matches, as well as possible pressure on SoR to retain third place, W7 could see a reverse of the 2v1. This would be rational behaviour on both JQ and SoR’s part.

The situation is more basic but complex than you understand. It just also may produce – no thanks to ANet and depending on this week’s results – a cliff hanger of a finish to Gold League S1.

3. As for JQ, you’re the true winners.

I partially agree. JQ deserves tremendous credit for their resilience and presence over a protracted period of time. My opinion (and I’m probably biased as I was in one of the founding guilds of Titan Alliance) is that HoD’s 30 straight wins on release puts them head and shoulders above what’s been achieved since.

Regardless, I agree that if JQ win, they would be more than worthy of it. It would be a fitting reflection of their long, successful history.

Gudradain.3892:

Title says it all.

You know what the big problem about scoring is? It’s some random server ticking at 600 PPT while you sleep gaining so much points that there is no way you can come back even if you play all day long.

Limit PPT to 230 max per server and problem solve.

If you want to win a match up, you have to put constant effort. Not just PvDooring while everyone is asleep.

Every child gets a prize?

Or every child who plays when I do gets a prize?

Or the irony of complaining about servers who have coverage while claiming ‘If you want to win a match up, you have to put constant effort’.

Recruit, move, or play for the fights.

etrigan.4213:

Hey MAG…FA here, how are you dealing with all the terrible guilds on BG and SoR?

Hmmm … judging from mos.millenium, probably exactly the same as EB, IOJ and the rest of Silver League are doing against your stacked, zerging server?

It’d be interesting for ANet to let us know how many players have achieved these titles after well over a year of WvW.

Devon?

Cuddlepie.8109:

Shunt.6254:

Sweet tagless commander BG in EBG! Sweet T1 tactics losing your section.

It wasn’t a tagless Commander. BG’s EB militia had no commander.

KnT had run EB since reset, and when I logged (I’m guessing an hour before your post?) my replacement was in queue. Unfortunately, no-one on map was able/willing to tag up. At that stage Durios had been turned to paper but we were holding Bravost and QL (just).

We’d been double-teamed for 2 hours or so when I logged. This is not a complaint, it was smart play by both sides. We were effectively supply starved us and often hit simultaneously on our north and southwest flanks. This is actually “strategy”, not “tactics”.

The upside is that you’re never bored and there were some excellent fights as we bounced around from one side to another. I got some decent FRAPS of these engagements, showing our actual “tactics”, which I may get around to putting up.

SoR was driving this with a sizable force and Mag were sucker-fishing intelligently off it. The best I saw from Mag was KH (?), even with their relatively small group, they clearly need to be treated with caution.

I’ve put together the FRAPS. It was a strange session, with BG doing well overall on PPT while, at the same time, the feeling on EB was one of constant pressure.

The video is at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XoRYOCLANbE

Unfortunately, it focuses on SoR – my FRAPs footage of Mag was limited. The encounters were, however, much like the second one on the video: small Mag numbers who were trying to ninja Durios or had already taken Umber.

While I could get scouts, I couldn’t find a small group(s) willing to protect our camps and Dolys. <shrug> Perhaps because the action was constant and we were fairly successful. Regardless, as the result of SoR and Mag’s smart play we were effectively supply starved and mostly reactive to their pushes.

As Shunt has (kind of) pointed out, we were tactically successful but beaten strategically. I understand SoR got a WP on SMC and held it for about 18 hours?

Israel.7056:

I thought DIE left because they weren’t able to get 35 people into a borderland at the same time whenever they wanted? Isn’t that also why AGG left JQ?

Possibly a contributing factor. After all, they needed that many to be effective.

I normally wouldn’t cross-post into another matchup but rmprodigy, one of Legend Never [DIE]’s leadership, has been coming over into the current BG matchup thread to … well … do what you can see DIE doing further up this page.

To fill you in on the background to their angst.

Rmprodigy posted (then deleted) a thread which said that Legends never [DIE] can’t be beaten.

That night I was commanding BG militia in EB and ran into 10-15 of them + other tags + a DIE commander. We wiped them twice. The video is at: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8WCq986sCpU

rmprodigy said – it’s in his post history – this didn’t count because:
1. It was only 10-15 DIE, not their whole guild (!)
2. They were tired(!)
3. Any video that wasn’t a livestream didn’t count.

He then took DIE and ran away to EB – just when SoR needed DIE most.

He’s since spent the better part of his days, putting up the same edited videos that he says are meaningless, providing conclusive proof that 30-35+ DIE can wipe BG militia.

Enjoy your time with [DIE].

rmprodigy.4679:

Wrex.6798:

I know BG guilds don’t GvG to whoever commented that, they don’t open field.
BG players are the contractor kings of GW2, they build walls, they build siege, they repair when there is damage, and they turn wooden gates into iron ones. They are then so proud of their hard work and craftsmenship that they sit inside the walls they built and sit in awe at the siege and walls they have built . Goodwork guys Ben Allen and the Home Improvements team would be happy.

Your 2 hour video is still coming ,along with many shorter ones, Uncut 15-20 minute videos and the mega 2 hour video. So you can keep up the nonsense babble on the forums about Bg and DIE running etc. SoR has known for weeks we wre going to leave if we couldn’t get our EST time crew away from ques and if we couldtn get open field fights as a guild due to ques. Not to mention we will come back ,and since you are all ready to go ,whose the first open field guild fight or gvg when we com back?

Silver league has a lot less PPT and a lot more fights to offer. Id go as far to say as aside from a few guilds on SoS and MaG , a few on SoR ,NS from JQ, and PlX from BG, t1 has little to offer open field and gvg guilds. Silver a lot less focus on PPT and a lot more guilds that want to gvg and fight. Don’t disrespect the guilds or players from “lower” tiers. There not lower due to skill, but lower due to coverage .

BG sees MAGs, Mag sees BAGS
#Mag2013

For the Mag who missed it.

Rmprodigy posted (then deleted) a thread which said that Legends never [DIE] can’t be beaten.

That night I was commanding BG militia in EB and ran into 10-15 of them + other tags + a DIE commander. We wiped them twice. The video is at: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8WCq986sCpU

rmprodigy said this didn’t count because:
1. It was only 10-15 DIE, not their whole guild (!)
2. They were tired(!)
3. Any video that wasn’t a livestream didn’t count.

He then took DIE and ran away to Silver – just when SoR needed them most.

He’s since spent the better part of his days, putting up the same edited videos that he says are meaningless, providing conclusive proof that 30-35+ DIE can wipe militia.

And he likes to come over into Gold League matchup threads, and keep picking at the scab. It’s like forum “cutting”.

I thought the roamer rage was entertaining until I realised it’s just WvW trolling in the singular.

‘I beat you.’
‘Nuh-ha, did not.’
‘Anyway, you cheat.’
‘You had more than we did!’
’It’s my mad skillz’
‘Skillz? You’re bad.’
‘No, you are.’

wow …. four posts in a row. In a thread about a dead match.

You still wiped twice to BG militia after saying you couldn’t be beaten (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8WCq986sCpU).

After the video, you still left your server when they needed you most for a ‘rest’ from all the stress.

Legends Never [DIE] but they certainly try hard.

Shunt.6254:

lol hammer trains old meta. It makes sense though, these T1 guys less skilled and deal with massive lag and queues all day. Might as well roll an 80 man hammer train and press 1111111111. They don’t know how to play other classes or use their other abilities in open field, mainly for the lag. Seriously though… they’ve got their PPT. So….

Could this be rmprodigy (mark 2)?

Shunt.6254:

Sweet tagless commander BG in EBG! Sweet T1 tactics losing your section.

It wasn’t a tagless Commander. BG’s EB militia had no commander.

KnT had run EB since reset, and when I logged (I’m guessing an hour before your post?) my replacement was in queue. Unfortunately, no-one on map was able/willing to tag up. At that stage Durios had been turned to paper but we were holding Bravost and QL (just).

We’d been double-teamed for 2 hours or so when I logged. This is not a complaint, it was smart play by both sides. We were effectively supply starved us and often hit simultaneously on our north and southwest flanks. This is actually “strategy”, not “tactics”.

The upside is that you’re never bored and there were some excellent fights as we bounced around from one side to another. I got some decent FRAPS of these engagements, showing our actual “tactics”, which I may get around to putting up.

SoR was driving this with a sizable force and Mag were sucker-fishing intelligently off it. The best I saw from Mag was KH (?), even with their relatively small group, they clearly need to be treated with caution.

rmprodigy.4679:

Stay tuned 2 hour +video coming out

Legends Never [DIE] went to all this effort, spent all this time and their family’s upload limits, because of this video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8WCq986sCpU ??

I’m flattered.

In all seriousness, their videos do answer the question I posed about why 10-15 LN[DIE] and a Commander can’t wipe a smaller, BG militia force. The answer is that it takes 30+.

But they don’t answer the question as to why LN[DIE] have apparently run away to another server, when they have another opportunity to practice their uncommonly funny forum skills against BG this coming week? Instead they’re going to a mid-ranking server in Silver league to ‘to try to get away from the blobs, the politics, the trolling, long-kitten queues, the general silliness that permeates the top league’. It’s worth mentioning, once again, that [DIE] began the ‘general silliness’ with their egomaniacal thread claiming they couldn’t be beaten. The fact is that they can. By outnumbered militia. And when the trolling that has upset them so much consists of quoting your leader’s own words back at him and contrasting it with facts, then perhaps a little more insight might help.

I’m also perplexed at why myprodigy posted edited videos when he’s previously claimed that only livestreams had any worth?

‘Live stream so nobody could take a 4 minute snipit and hide behind forum posts. Live stream all the wipes would be there for everyone to see’. In your post history you say that non-livestream videos are ‘propaganda’, ‘silly’, ‘laughable’, ‘fake’, ‘dumb’, and even ‘hate directed’(!). Yet you’ve put out multiple such videos in response to you guys being wiped, to prove that LN[DIE] can wipe BG’s militia. So, I’m wondering why rmprodigy has not lived up to his own standards – which is what started all of this in the first place?

And one last thing, what is it with this guild? They rage on the forums, their leader is a ‘prodigy’, they are ‘Legends’ who ‘never die’, and they call themselves the ‘#1 Sanctum of Rall guild’. It’s a game. Just get better at it.

Regardless, you’ve left your server at a time when they could have really used your help ….

I’d be half-inclined to claim the stomp, but it’d be like being self-satisfied over beating an up-level.

rmprodigy.4679:

I never made excuses, I stated facts. The EB video has 10 DIE in it, its titled BG wiping DIE, so to make it true you are posting a video of a zerg wiping 10 DIE in a group of others. My whole thing is what does that prove? Its a pointless video . I didn’t say there are any rules. I said we will livestream and run as a guild group and fight any blob any zerg any guild. I don’t understand what part of it is still unclear. 30-35 DIE will do that anyday. Just a dumb video that has no meaning tbh.

I never made excuses, I stated facts.

This should be fun.

Let’s start by looking at your post history for the excuses you ‘never made’:
1. ‘were glad we ran against it with 20 and still got a ton of bags.’
2. ‘The 10-15 that were on wre dead tired after playing for hours ’
3. ’Those encounters , the one we pushed from the canyon up in front of Durious in AC fire was us saying ," Lets have fun and just go for it, we have wiped them for 6 hours straight lets juswt try this. " _Comment. Durios was one of [DIE]’s two wipes and only began under the walls. The wipe of [DIE] by a BG militia group occurred away from the walls._
4. ‘The youtube video made by KnT or whoever states that you gusy are wiping us. In order for that to be true you would have to fight our guild only group. Comment: Actually [DIE] were wiped by a BG militia group. There were a few KnT there, but more weren’t needed.
5. ‘But its nothing special considering your force and ours.’
6 ’ Just a dumb video that has no meaning’
‘7. you went ahead and make a 4 minute laughable video of 10-15 DIE with others and cling onto it as what seems to be a sad attempt to show that maybe you have skill?’

That’s seven separate excuses you’ve never made.

And now the facts.

1. ‘I may just humiliate all of your lacklustre WvW guilds’. Comment: wiping against militia doesn’t do much to back up that claim
2. ‘we want to show everyone .. You truelly can’t beat any server in REAL WvW open field’. Comment: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8WCq986sCpU suggests otherwise

Hmm … the facts were few and more of a self-inflicted wound to your credibility. Let’s try your analysis:

1. ‘My whole thing is what does that prove? Its a pointless video’.

Can a video that’s a direct response to your chest thumping claims be pointless? What does that say about your posts and claims?

2. ‘you are posting a video of a zerg wiping 10 DIE in a group of others.’

Well, you’ve already admitted that it was 10-15 DIE several times. That number is creeping downwards, yes? And there was a DIE commander – for both wipes. The ‘zerg’ you were up against had no guild core, it was militia. And in encounter no 1 there are clearly less BG than in your force (check the video at the 24-42 second mark), and in no 2 there was parity. That’s why people in TS laughed at you (check the end of the video). We had no right winning.

3. ’I said we will livestream and run as a guild group and fight any blob any zerg any guild …. 30-35 DIE will do that anyday.

So, the question is answered. It takes 30-35 DIE to wipe a BG militia group. Appreciate you clearing that up.

rmprodigy.4679:

http://youtu.be/8WCq986sCpU

@Cuddlepie – Time to set the record clear.
#1. Your video shows 2 encounters , nether of which were last night.
#2. Nether of the videos shows a DIE guild group , we never run guild groups in EB. If we are in EB we are leading Server groups, which we don’t call militia because we look at them as our teammates. ( I mention this because of the lies spread about SoR big guilds being disrespectful to the “pugs”. Which we call Rallians, not because they Rally or are pugs its because they are Server of Rallians like citizens of Rall.)
#3. Those encounters , the one we pushed from the canyon up in front of Durious in AC fire was us saying ," Lets have fun and just go for it, we have wiped them for 6 hours straight lets juswt try this. " You know, and I know that we wiped you guys badly in front of Jerri , on the bridge, across all BLs 2 nights ago. I don’t doubt the rage of the wipes have forced you guys to make this propaganda video, probably as a attempt to demoralize or make us rage quit. But the jokes on you.

Whats funnier then this, is the fact that I made a post about challenges and guild fights and open field fights with live stream . I said live stream so nobody could take a 4 minute snipit and hide behind forum posts. Live stream all the wipes would be there for everyone to see. You obviously saw my challenge ,and went as far as to save parts of my post. Now instead of contacting me, when you have my user name saved as it can be seen in your video, you went ahead and make a 4 minute laughable video of 10-15 DIE with others and cling onto it as what seems to be a sad attempt to show that maybe you have skill? Not sure.

Firstly I’d like to thank you as a representative of the self-described “#1 Sanctum of Rall Guild” for taking time out of your busy day at the repair NPC to post.

Now, let’s see:

Your video shows 2 encounters , nether of which were last night.

This is your primary defence? /boggle. I checked the FRAPS files and the videos were from the AEDST evening of 6 Nov. I did the video on 7th and uploaded it by approx 7 pm, hence when I posted it “last night”.

Regardless, I’m puzzled why should it matter when it was? How does that make [DIE] being wiped by militia any more soothing?

#2. Nether of the videos shows a DIE guild group

So what do you call (what you said was) 10-15 DIE led by a DIE commander?

How many [DIE] do you need to beat a militia group? A militia group which in the first encounter is clearly smaller than your own?

#3. I don’t doubt the rage of the wipes have forced you guys to make this propaganda video, probably as a attempt to demoralize or make us rage quit. But the jokes on you.

“propaganda” video? To remind, it was your thread that started this – where you said:

1. ‘I may just humiliate all of your lacklustre WvW guilds’, and
2. ’we want to show everyone .. You truelly can’t beat any server in REAL WvW open field… log off the forums and accept a challenge’.

The challenge was accepted.

For anyone who’s missed it, the video that shows [DIE] twice “humiliating” a BG militia group is at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8WCq986sCpU

#3. ….But the jokes on you.

Clearly.

The guild Legends Never [DIE] started a thread about the current matchup (that appears to have been removed) titled:

SoR Legends Never [DIE] Vs ALL OF BG

In it – claimed to be the first post of any of their members – they said that:
1. They’d embarrass BG’s “lacklustre” WvW guilds.
2. They could spawn camp BG every night if they wanted to – but didn’t because that would be “childish”, and
3. That BG could not defeat them – or any server – in open field fights.

The Youtube video here shows what happened when [DIE] met the BG militia I was commanding last night in EB.

http://youtu.be/8WCq986sCpU

Fannwong.3059:

Hello Neuromancer,

Thanks for clarifying. 2 things:

1. IRON leader/commander Wrex is unwell. We really hope that she will recover soon. You know how one person can having influence so many, eg Smokee for BG EU & Jang’s WM exodus of SBI.

2. Tarkus has tremendous influence over many due to his diligence and success in tactics/strategy. But didn’t Tarkus leave BG because of the long hours in EU coverage? If so then JQ will not have a a strong leader/commander in EU no?

FW

Best wishes for a complete and speedy recovery for Wrex.

Tarkus bills himself in his sig as an Oceanic and early EU commander. His reasons for leaving BG vary depending on who he’s talking to.

Despite ANet’s poor S1 design, the burn out issue for SoR./BG in relation to JQ has turned out to be a non-issue.

I personally think it’ll come down to W7, as the last time JQ faced BG it was a blowout. The affect of JQ buying MERC from BG was clearly evident in the PPT. While I don’t know if the influx of PvEers, ZDs, or what has gone on in Leagues so far will change the outcome, I do know that BG couldn’t compete.

That’s the most recent data point we have, and it points to JQ winning W5 and setting up a fascinating W7.

Tadz.2870:

I have a serious question, how do the players of BG find it entertaining to camp a tower for hours with no real action except getting wiped if you move out of it? Does PPT really motivate you that much that your willing to go through bordem for it

EB last night at Jerri?

The BG forces inside were outnumbered but sieged up, and had put holes in the Keep’s outer and inner walls. SoR weren’t able to retake the tower under the siege fire, and were also being pressured by SoS – iirc WC was T2 and Aldon’s was T2+ or 3 at the beginning. BG and SoR were swapping Gol and paper Klovan.

The Commander wanted to keep pressure on SoR while potentially being able to ninja the Keep if they responded. Allowing SoS to reset SoR’s towers to paper would allow options at a later time if we held SMC.

SoS would pop over take Umber and paper Durios. Small BG groups would take them back. The stalemate broke when SoS went for Bravost and BG abandoned Jerri to protect the tower.

It was an interesting strategic struggle, chess-like in a way, but slow tactically at times.

spanky.4630:

As of now all Iron members have been told not to post on these forums anymore .
People have been kicked from the guild and anyone found posting will be warned and told to delete their posts if they ignore this they will be kicked .
you may smack talk Iron but we are one of the most dedicated guilds in gw2 . we turn up every night trying to fight the blobgantuan, running as just iron something posters from some of the guilds here should try .

Respect to IRON for taking this step. When people celebrate forum trolling as part of your guild – particularly when the trolling is not particularly good – it doesn’t reflect well.

Tarkus.4109:

Firstly cuds, this isn’t your guild we’re talking about and you’ve been taking me out of context ever since I started talking as you have an axe to grind. If you say you got rid of inactives and said you have good fights they are seperate statements, you chose to link the two to make a PvF argument to prop up your ego go straight ahead. If someone makes a false statement, such as “MERC never left” you have to correct them – no questions, no ego, no forum reputation. Also you conflated inactive with incompetent, which I never said, neither did I insult karps other than saying that he was wrong – he was the one with the personal attacks.

“you’ve been taking me out of context ever since I started talking” Quoting your own words back at you isn’t taking you out of context.

“If you say you got rid of inactives and said you have good fights they are seperate statements, you chose to link the two to make a PvF argument to prop up your ego.”

Actually, you wrote them as a single sentence, with a clear causal link (that’s the word “as”) between “dead weight” and “best fights”. Here’s exactly what you posted: “The best fights I’ve had all year have been against the BG ones since we left, as we cut a lot of dead weight from the guild when we moved off” Again, if a player is inactive they don’t WvW, therefore they don’t affect the quality of fights, cutting them won’t result in better performance. Cutting “dead weight” does. You own words …

“Also you conflated inactive with incompetent, which I never said” Actually, what you didn’t say was “inactive” – you said “dead weight” and then edited your post. As for “never” saying BG MERC was incompetent, you said (complete with typos) : “Fake MERC doesn’t play for ppt so argueing that thier ppt sucks is not indiciative of true coverage. it just proves they are incompetent.”

I have the screenshot.

“neither did I insult karps other than saying that he was wrong”. I just went back and checked my screenshots of the conversation. You insulted Karps. I’m not going to quote you here but I’m more than happy to PM/send the screenie to you and Karps to remind you of what you said – and inform him.

Revisionism doesn’t work when the other side keeps records.

Tarkus.4109:

Define Core; We had 390 people on the roster, we cleaned out the inactives who hadn’t logged in for at least 4 months by cross referencing their account data to the website and ANets tracking (~200 people rolling total were left), we had members who were in KnT/OnS who dual repped who stayed and were kicked (~170) leaving the 150 people who decided to move.

Calling the 20 people left the “real” core, especially the inactive officers who only became active when we left is kinda rediculous. 10 of which joined KING and 10 of which run with Vanguard whereupon the guild tag is varied dependent on who is commanding. The incident is similar to what would happen if 4/5 of the active pop of TW joined SoS, but Zorh stayed and made a guild called “Exiled wolves of the tempest” [TW] and claimed that TW never left. Looks good on paper but is just absurd as hell.

All respect to the guys who stayed, but to say the guild never left is just wrong. I don’t want to come back to this thread to correct karps, but seriously stop peddling this lie. If you are kicked or leave a guild you are by definition not in the guild.

…

Firstly, where have I stated that I hated BG – I left sure but did I go onto TS and abuse them? Did I type on this forum that I hated them? Did I move because I wanted to move personally and not for the health of the guild? The answers to these are no, I was permabanned off the forums and TS before I was given the chance to say peace out to the guys I had worked with for several months almost every night. Keep in mind I’m not the one trash talking servers, or guilds – I was disappointed at the way that the ppt went for SoR (due to wrex being in hospital) but that’s it.

Secondly, I moved out of loyalty to the guild and the guild leader – not to win, you are very aware of what the leadership situation was and I had to follow suit to keep the guild running. Call me a yes-man, but don’t make it out that I enjoyed that aspect of it. You don’t win many arguments insulting the other guy, keep that in mind.

The desire to dance in the forum limelight got too much for you, Tark?

Let’s review:

You’ve said – on these forums – that MERC who stayed were “dead weight” and that cutting them resulted in the best fights you’d had all year. You’ve since tried to rewrite history by saying that the dead weight were simply “inactives” … but inactives don’t affect fights in any way. Disingenuous. You edited your post once this stirred up the reaction you might have seen coming. I have the screenshots of your unedited post.

You say “I’m not the one trash talking servers, or guilds”. You’ve trash talked the MERC who stayed on BG on another forum, calling them “fake MERC”, “incompetent” and insulting individuals. Again, I have the screenshots.

You’ve told me elsewhere that you wanted to be “constructive” and that people should stop raising dramas on the forums (got those screenshots). And yet here you are. Again. Insulting a member of your previous guild who stayed to rebuild the community you left.

(edited to fix quote extracts)

This thread simultaneously features the funniest, most ironic, and most disturbing posts collection of WvW posts I recall.

Shifty.4985:

I could drop my IRON tag if you want..?
If myself/star didnt have our IRON tags on in the first place you wouldnt have a clue what guild we were on therefore wouldnt be QQing about IRON. I bet if you had your guild tags on in your signature we could have completely different convos on this forum.

Nevertheless what myself and Star talk about doesnt involve the guild one bit and we dont intend it to, so if you think it does. You have it wrong

I’ll paraphrase your argument for you: if we didn’t do what we do, you wouldn’t know what we do. So we could do something different to what we do, and you wouldn’t know!

As for saying the other poster is wrong. Communication involves two or more parties. Your “intent” neither excuses what you say nor the context you say it in – unless its a blatantly unreasonable interpretation.

To illustrate this point with a non-related analogy: If a person wears a white supremacist T-shirt while talking in public about race relations, the audience will be entitled to draw conclusions that there is a bias in what they say.

Bones.5762:

god can’t believe this thread is still going.

OP was about easy weeks, and yes, they will have more GUARANTEED WINS but their outcomes is solely decided by the 2x you guys meet. if you make sure they get last place the next time the BGvSORvJQ matchup happens, itll come down to sor or bg.

The lack of ANet concern probably has something to do with it.

And the crazy hours that some are putting in to try and remain competitive because of the draw. It may get to a point where matches are decided by burn out of key guilds and commanders. It’s not just math, it’s the people.

Cirus.5748:

I’m sorry but this just isn’t true.

How can BG be taking time off on the weekend when all of the maps had queues?

We had a bad start and we got out played.

I agree to an extent. BG had queues for the first hours of reset and, from what I saw, on most maps far longer than that.

We did get monstered on PPT for the first 2 days-ish, but I think part of that was zone-in-lotto. KnT had a very large number of people in TS and 16 got in. I understand other guilds had similar experiences (iirc correctly PLX got essentially no-one into their assigned map?). Regardless, TC are an excellent opponent on reset and SoR are always strong.

I’ve got a feeling that reset times are seen by the AP-crowd as a good time to speed run CoF … err WvW achievements … and this will be a feature for the weeks to come.

TheBob.9863:

I can’t wait to mock the people that spouted the gibberish of “JQ will finish 1st place guaranteed”

What about the people who haven’t understood the title or purpose of this thread?

Keiel.7489:

By the time I was able to log in BG had already taken all 3 keeps in their BLs and we pretty much just maintained what we can in SoR BL and even augmenting EB and TC BLs whenever the situation arises.

Yep … I have a great deal of respect for the players from any server who WvW and morituri te salutant when out-numbered and/or out-guilded.

Eg. I’ve seen FRAG do an Alamo several times when they had no hope of holding.

Keiel.7489:

PPT aside, and I can only speak for Oceanic/SEA time but WTF is up with BG just running away from fights?

Aside from us forcing the fight on you guys (in the keeps) every open field fight is pretty much you taking off in a different direction. The few that we do get it’s pretty much due to you having a wall or something to stand behind. I would’ve said you were waiting on superior numbers to attack, but even that’s not the case.

If your new tactic is to bore the few SoR players that we can muster up in Oceanic time to leave the map so you can PvD, it’s working pretty well.

If you want to see what happened in OCX/SEA open field on reset with BG – obviously only on one map – then settle back and have a gander at: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_YkQGQPThIc

I also commanded SoRBL last night for a shortish period during OCX last night. I had about 5-8 KnT and 10-15 militia at various times, and we were deliberately trying to hold the 35-45 SoR force on the map so BG could cap elsewhere. This was part of the cross-map effort to make up for the PPT monstering we received on the weekend.

This did involve teasing the SoR zerg (at North SC, NW tower,. around NW ruins and outside Bay) and then WPing or withdrawing – while BG capped upgraded stuff on other BLs.

So it wasn’t so much a tactic to ’bore" SoR players into leaving the map, it was a strategy to hold SoR players unproductively on a map with the tantalising promise of easy wipes.

JQ’s Nuked just popped over to the SoR/BG/TC thread to say hello …

Nuked.2360:

Cirus.5748:

Meanwhile SoR and BG are having a classic contest.

Classic contest? 370 ppt is fights got it.

BG was monstered by SoR and TC’s strong showing in the first 48 hours, but has had 18 odd hours of good PPT. The match is currently about 7K apart.

At the same time JQ is ticking +515 and is 100K ahead after three days.

I hope this thread is also enjoying Nuked’s seering insight.

Nuked.2360:

Cirus.5748:

Nuked.2360:

Smokee.1754:

Reading about 3+ hour queues on JQ, makes me happy that BG didnt stack before the league, leaving us 4 out of 5 timezones without a queue on atleast one map, even with all the pve achievement hunters.

Now enjoy your 3 weeks of nothing to fight JQ :-)

Thanks for the fights this week SoR. Cant wait for a lagfree fight against you next week.

Ps. Please recruit more EU guilds JQ :-(

Just thought I’d drop this here after ZDs was brought to BG.

How’s the PvDoor treating you?

I hope you’re enjoying it because you have another 18 days of it.

Meanwhile SoR and BG are having a classic contest.

Classic contest? 370 ppt is fights got it.

Classic Nuked … consumed with this niggling fear that JQ’s server stacking and cruise control Season 1 schedule might not be enough.

And the logic ….

BG was monstered by SoR and TC’s strong showing in the first 48 hours, but has had 18 odd hours of good PPT. The match is currently about 7K apart.

At the same time JQ is ticking +515 and is 100K ahead after three days.

Then again, facts and context have never been his strong suit.

Nickthemoonwolf.1485:

Its been happening on all maps all week. SoR is just playing normally being the big dog, and BG is just playing the bully. Instead of attacking the tougher target when there is a CLEAR opportunity to hit their holdings, they hit something else TC owns. Its been going on in TCBL all week. .SoR hits garrison, and BG takes the time to attack a north tower instead of hitting briar or bay

I guess people go to T1 for the competitive and fun fights, and not easy wins right…. right? I’ll give it until tomorrow for BG to give up trying for first and just focusing on holding TCBL. They’ve done it in the last 3-4 matchups we’ve had with them, why should this be any different.

“Its been happening on all maps all week … and BG is just playing the bully”

I understand the matchup is rough (and similar matchups will continue to be for any of the non-big 3) but the PPT for Day 1 and 2 (66% of the matchup) indicates it was BG who was on the receiving end.

“SoR hits garrison, and BG takes the time to attack a north tower instead of hitting briar or bay”.

Possibly indicating that BG doesn’t have the numbers or supply to hit a major target (particuarly if SoR has the numbers to attack Garri). Or the tower is paper and the others are T2/3. Or that Briar and Bay are both close to SoR’s spawn WP. <shrug> I’d suggest it’s far more likely to be motivated by factors like these than a persecution complex.

I guess people go to T1 for the competitive and fun fights, and not easy wins right…. right?

The WvWers who are long term on all three T1 servers play for the fights and to win. If the matchup involves a server with less coverage then it’s going to hurt. That server does, however, have the opportunity to play kingmaker. But to do so, you’ve got to be prepared to get your hands dirty in the meta. TC is renowned for not doing so (ie. 2v1ing) ~ and I don’t mean this as a criticism.

Anyways, for BG (first 2 days) and SoR (last 18 hours) there has been nothing ‘easy’ about this matchup. When TC has had decent numbers on the maps – particularly when anchored on one of your solid guilds – it’s always a good fight. I appear to think more highly of your server mates than you do? Regardless, if you want to talk easy wins in Season 1, you may wish to glance in JQ’s direction.

I’ll give it until tomorrow for BG to give up trying for first

There’s no need to wait until then.

Sreoom.3690:

So I’m guessing that since all you BG and SoR pundits have already proclaimed us the winners of season 1 there is no need to continue playing…right?

No. We enjoy the fights.

A fair Season 1 chance to win overall would be appreciated, but not essential to us – well to SoR as it appears that they have a distinct coverage advantage over BG.

Shifty.4985:

Gully.7358:

Bah, thread is going down hill again…

If only BG would fight us in the field.. Sigh

But nop, we gota have our fun on the forums because of this

It’s an occupational hazard of having JQ-like coverage. But for BG open fielding from reset, try http://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=c4-feed-u&v=_YkQGQPThIc

BG’s PPT on reset was pretty dire, but there were good fights on EB. When Rid handed EB over during OCX, I commanded a small core of KnT and some decent militia into SEA. Apart from two contested SM takes and sallying out to take a paper ANZ once in awhile, we were limited to bouncing from Umber to Danelon to try and defend what we had. Despite the PPT, it was a night of good fights.

The Youtube link shows some of the action. We – of course – also lost fights during the 5 hour period. 2 open field fight and one tower defence, as well as a lot of uncontested towers or SCs that we couldn’t get to on time.

http://youtu.be/_YkQGQPThIc

Liquid.9672:

Cuddlepie.8109:

TheButcher.5062:

As I mentioned previously, its payback time. Enjoy the next 3 weeks being kittened up

An interesting insight into you as a WvWer …. giggling that your server has more coverage and will therefore dominate PPT.

The dude’s first post on that account was yesterday. That should provide all the insight one would need.

Ah …. so, it’s reasonable to say that his credibility has been “butchered”?

TheButcher.5062:

As I mentioned previously, its payback time. Enjoy the next 3 weeks being kittened up

An interesting insight into you as a WvWer …. giggling that your server has more coverage and will therefore dominate PPT.

Sreoom.3690:

Hats off to BG. I don’t know what y’all did, but you seemed to have SoR smitten-ed by your manliness and smooth talk. They eagerly agreed to be your bottom kitten this week.

It was nothing BG or SoR started. You may wish to check the title of this thread. BG and SoR focusing JQ was the only rational reaction to aNet’s incomprehensible draw and sullen silence.

How easy do you guys want your individual matchups and S1 to be?

donfoe.9576:

i act solely under my own duress. i am part of NO guild on ANY server.

“act solely under my own duress” ….

You play video games almost exclusively I take it?

Sreoom.3690:

So why are the biggest complainers BG and SoR? If y’all are so big and bad, schedule means nuthin….JQ is in third at this moment…but only by less than 10,000…and that is with both y’all pressing us on all fronts…y’all skared?

Last night in EB, with KnT commanding, BG and JQ double teamed SoR for several hours. All of SoR’s turf was reset to paper, and the other two servers played pass the parcel with PPT. Why? Because it made strategic sense to do so at the time.

How do I know? I was there.

Why did it end? JQ got their late night zerg on and decided that they didn’t need BG’s help anymore. Guess what? It made strategic sense to do so.

2v1 is part of what passes for a week’s meta. It ain’t Mittani-level scheming but a good commander will try to engineer a 2v1 when necessary. If you don’t understand this, you haven’t grasped an essential element of WvW.

Nuked.2360:

Shifty.4985:

gebrechen.5643:

I saw SoR Sea ticking +270 most of the time today.

It seems Wahas attempt at demoralising our SEA earlier on in the year failed

.
I don’t know between Waha and Tarkus that is pretty scary.

Yep, moved for balance, fuelled by gold.

KeeZee.7312:

BG gained 2k pts after NA went to bed. Dang, BG has it so bad don’t they.

And who owns the person who posted this below?

“The biggest problem that I have with this is ANets home server JQ. While I did see SoR players and BG players lagging like hell (you can tell from them just running around doing nothing) JQ players were able to flawlessly land their attacks and abilities. Ex: Hammer warriors had no problem stunning everything and chaining their attacks.”

Luckily not everyone attempts to generalise from one post to an entire server.

And it would be the same server as myself, who posted in the same thread:

Cuddlepie.8109:

I commanded BG’s EB for several hours earlier.

At no time did it seem like JQ had any lag advantage. To suggest that they do is – imo – just plain silly.

But if it doesn’t suit your pet theories and carefully nurtured insecurities you just seem to ignore it.