Guild Wars 2

Hey there DB,

Just wanted to say I’m sorry about the poor defense in your borderlands a couple of hours ago. We promise to do better next time. You guys got that back way too fast.

I’m starting to get a little freaked out with the random AR dude stalking our thread, lol.

Here is an update for those who can’t log into the game.

Arcadio.6875:

Having an advantage during Oceanic time is more preferable over having an advantage in NA time. Oceanic players log in right after NA players log out so any gains made by NA players are quickly stopped and turned around. Gains made by Oceanic players last far longer especially on weekdays when NA players can’t simply play in the morning or early afternoon. Having European coverage helps limit the Oceanic advantage, but I don’t imagine that comes into play outside the top tiers.

I think Dragonbrand has won this.

The fun thing about this match is that it’s really up for grabs. Who knows what might happen. BP does not give up until Friday 4pm pst. You can be sure that if we are not winning we’ll have as many meetings as it takes and I’ll be personally calling people and waking them up and making them stay up late as well. DH and DB deserve our best efforts!

Also, you can bet that DH and BP might even agree on an unspoken truce to take DB down. Everyone knows that bad blood between the two.
One last thing, we still have a lot of PVE players we can bring into WvW. That’s what made BP stronger and We’ll continue to pull them into WvW and teach them about it til we have enough to win again.

Skapocalypse.5236:

A suggestion for BP, don’t upgrade things you know you can’t defend at night. Your throwing money away because DB will take it at night.

We got loads of cash to burn. They can take as many fully upgraded keeps as they want. We love upgrading stuff anyways. Running those yaks, checking the %, etc. So much fun. We don’t care if it’s taken later.

I’m loving the match so far. Btw, a few weeks ago AR told us not to bother upgrading and it just got us fired up to actually upgrade and hold as much as we could.

Thank you for your post!

Bunzy.8674:

If BP keep up this kind of domination they will be with Maguuma in a week, then we can show them why are are the gatekeepers of tier 4

I’d love to fight Maguuma, you guys seem to be a fun server, but I hope we don’t move up so fast. I was actually kinda hoping you’d kick EB down so we could face them first. We do have a bone to pick with them.

Greens Daily Ritual.9025:

And I thought DH was bad in previous thread posts… They ain’t got nothin’ on all the BP trolling in here. Ahh well off to see what all this new update in wvw is. Doesn’t look good from what I’ve seen so far.

We have Trolls Ed. class every Sunday. Glad you recognize our fine craftsmanship.

@ Dovgan – well sir, you are a mathematician. I am sorry for my gross mistake. Let me try it again.

These many guilds condoning cheating is just a sad sight to see:
TCMM, SOS, CRFT, ALS, LOST, SSS, XXIV, WAR, BLTZ, TGS, GSO, SRKS, HoA, WarQ, FLOB

Couldn’t make out a few of them. Way to post off-topic Dovgan.

iAmTheDuke.6201:

Here is AR up to some mischief…

LOL, a portal ON TOP OF THE GATE and one in front of it. Hmmmm.

A full server condoning cheating is just a sad sight to see. It almost seems like the almighty alliance in AR has had a meeting and decided to go balls to the wall this Thursday. Certainly won’t be missing these highly respectable characters in the next tier.

Edit: @ Kardia – what do you think about all this?

Rinzler.8072:

DKz Lux.4125:

Rinzler.8072:

DKz Lux.4125:

Rinzler.8072:

Nice to see GOAT practicing their jump puzzle skills.

Doesn’t your screenshot show them inside the keep they ALREADY own?

mind = blown

Why would you practice a jump puzzle in an enemies keep? Obviously u perfect it in your own keep… /facepalm

I’m sure as hell glad you’re not a scientist.

Hmm, conducting an experiment in a controlled environment without external variables. I think my logic is sound.

That took me back to middle school. Thanks for the memories!

Yoshy.2806:

nytehex.3267:

this is a matter of integrity. this shows EXACTLY how Anvil Rock, AS A SERVER, handles adversity when they know damn good and well they can’t hang with those they are up against. You troll and exploit AT WILL. It amazes me that you cannot just face up and accept that you belong with devona’s rest and that your server has fluked into the ranking it has. Bye bye troll

LOL, can’t hang ?
LOOK AT YOUR WvW Population compared to ours.
Sadly you cant even make it past the next tier, even with your numbers.
SAD.

Hey, you might not have the numbers, but you surely have the prophets. Amen!

Rinzler.8072:

DKz Lux.4125:

Rinzler.8072:

Nice to see GOAT practicing their jump puzzle skills.

Doesn’t your screenshot show them inside the keep they ALREADY own?

mind = blown

Why would you practice a jump puzzle in an enemies keep? Obviously u perfect it in your own keep… /facepalm

I’m sure as hell glad you’re not a scientist.

Rinzler.8072:

Nice to see GOAT practicing their jump puzzle skills.

Doesn’t your screenshot show them inside the keep they ALREADY own?

mind = blown

Bad idea. All I have to say.

Kardiamond.6952:

@Dkz Lux

I joined a screenshot below.

It was taken like 30-60 min after the reset.

SF didn’t help us. Sure fighting over garrison was a good thing for us, but having to defend from two front, from two ennemies, that didn’t help us at all.

The only reason why they didn’t take Hills was because we defended it. They went for Garrison and probly didn’t know you were inside. But they still lost it right after.

If you check other borderland, BP was attack free, EB had BP attacking us And SF had BP attacking them.

So BP attacked everyone, SF attacked AR, and AR defended vs 2 ennemies. And we also had to defend from BP in EB.

The reset day is big, this is the moment that will decide if fairweather stay or go pve. I’m sure we lost a lot of them after this attack, especially since we thought SF would give us a break.

Borliss Pass would still have won this match up, but I still think SF went the easy way and attacked the smallest ennemy. While Anvil Rock went for BP right after, just to kittenw ith ya1 :P

I have no bad feeling about it, Just wanted to explain the situation. I wasn’t proud of my SF friend.

I still believe our fight would have been easier in AR BL if SF wasn’t there, cause we did have to worry a lot about them.

Plok.6145:

Manoa.5897:

Plok.6145:

You can duel in this game? When did that happen?

I’ve heard of some tiers organizing “fight clubs” where various folks from the different servers meet at a predesignated spot and do one-on-one duels. Trickier to organize now that you can’t find out an enemy’s name in-game anymore. But still doable with a little planning ahead of time since whisper communication is still possible if you know the person’s name.

I was against this BS in the last game I played and would say i would still be against it. if we meet on the field while roaming around, great, otherwise it’s collaboration to play the game not as intended.

I see nothing wrong with it because:

1. There is no 1 vs 1 fight option in the game.
2. Most maps don’t have a queue right now, so what’s the difference if they’re doing pve or 1v1 in some remote side of the map?
3. 1v1 is fun
4. It would promote a feeling of friendship across servers

Just my 2 cents.

Kardiamond.6952:

Yeah,

I’m still wondering why SF focused so much on us right at the reset.

It’s a good tactic to play for the 2nd place, but since the reset happened, I thought we would go for the bigger dog, aka BP.

Since BP and Ar have some kind of bad blood, if SF focus on us we are really in trouble. As BP tend to focus more on us.

On reset SF was actually helping AR because instead of hitting hills they were hitting Briar, which was ours. They also came in behind us at garrison after we had opened both gates and stole it from us.

As for the rest of the week, what happened is what always happens. People tend to go for the easier targets. SF did try to invade BP BL a few times, but it often times failed. If you defend your borderlands enough, other servers tend to avoid it and attack easier targets. But I bet you already knew that.

All in all, it wasn’t a bad week for AR though. I mean, how many people got to do their fractals without worrying about wvw this week? Go ascended gear!

I agree it should be a bit harder IF you upgrade it fully. Right now there’s no reason to do it.

Rinzler.8072:

Pretty sad this FOTM d/d elementalist form Borlis Pass alt-f4 every time he got his kitten handed to him.

Borlis, you need to have a talk with this chap, its disgraceful.

I think you might have missed the memo:
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/pvp/wuvwuv/Coming-Soon-To-WvW

@ Fik

I meant “FOR XP” as I said before. Usually groups that run for XP are alts so they don’t have max lvl gear and if they are in a queued map they give your server a disadvantage straight off the bet. I think that’s a pretty sensible point to be made.

To repeat my post to Hadan:

Multiple groups cooperating trumps 1 big group which trumps multiple groups not cooperating.

Btw, you guys are invited to join the public ts server and run with all the other guilds that are there. Surely if you do you’ll know that we use small groups to our advantage whenever possible and necessary.

Godfather.8217:

DKz Lux.4125:

@ Kardia – they usually close threads cause of mentions and accusations of exploits and cheats, specially if we post screen shots of it happening.

I enjoy seeing Godfather angry and QQing on the forums. What can I say? It’s funny. I don’t know why you all think we should be boy scouts.

@ amiable – Good post, but AR is so fat I missed 2 episodes of The Simpsons trying to walk around them.

lol

@Daidorkish

Look man I don’t QQ, I just simply call you out, and of course for someone that thinks they are gods gift to “WvW” and BP, you have no clue. I know the truth already about BP, you just can’t accept it. Meanwhile I’m having fun this week, alot more than last week for sure.

• hugs god *

Missed you buddy. You haven’t posted in so long. Has work been keeping you away?

@ testpig

Well, my post was very general really and not meant as an attack on anyone. I can’t even do that anymore, ask Kardia, he won’t let me.

On the other hand your post is very obviously directed at me so I’ll let you know what I think.

At reset, I started commanding. There was a queue on the map so many of DKz could not get in as well as many of Krew. That’s cool. That happens. At one point I decided to turn my tag off and follow the Krew commander. I told all my guys to stay with him. That’s when the stalemate ended and we started capping more stuff. Eventually we had the whole map but hills.

AR was attacking the northern towers while the main group was defending Lake. We should have let go of lake and stayed in the north with WAR, who was doing a pretty good job at the time but was overwhelmed by the number of players AR had attacking. The roles should have been reversed. WAR should have stayed south and the main group north. But these kinds of things sometimes we only realize in hindsight.

At that moment, we had 5 or 6 commanders on the map, including one from DKz! That’s when I said on team chat “too many freaking commanders on the map.” It wasn’t directed at anyone specifically, specially not at WAR since you guys were alone in the north and running a group. Seeing there were too many leaders for one map I decided to move to a different map which had none. I later called the DKz guy who had turned his tag on and had a chat with him about when to use it and when not to.

Could have WAR assisted my group a couple of times in the beginning of the evening? Yes.

Did we have good communication between DKz and WAR? No. And it’s probably my fault.

Did WAR need to turn their tag off since they were running their own group? Certainly not.

There you have what I think. No hard feelings on my part. Those things happen.

So my question to you is, is WAR a guild that is willing to work well with others and cooperate or is it the sort of guild that prefers to do their own thing? If the answer is the former, that’s great, whisper me in game and let’s talk about how to communicate better. If the latter, that’s ok, just let me know so I know what to expect.

Hadan.2841:

Dina and WAR worked perfect With Krew and our 3 commander tags stacking on friday night. Perfect coordination we had going and as dina said. We stacked our commanders as a way for the zerg(pugs) to know hey 3tags there, more ppl there. While dina was up in the northern part of the map doing his thing with his guild. 1 massive zerg works in some cases, but the small scale fights/multiple commanders doing things on different sides of the map wins the overall fight.

Multiple commanders that work well together > 1 massive zerg > Multiple commanders that don’t work together

It’s like democracy, it’s not the best option, but it’s the best of the most likely to happen. So when we can’t have multiple groups working in harmony we should fall back to 1 big group. That’s my take on things. Of course, more experienced commanders might have different opinions.

Dinas Dragonbane.2978:

DKz Lux.4125:

Tag stacking has been a problem in Borlis though.

Also, why have more than 1 commander wear the tag in one place?

Best use of multiple tags is to represent force strength to allies. Small force would only have one, larger forces would have 2(although 4 or more can seem ridiculous on the map). This shows anybody who is not in a voice comm with either of these groups the choices they have when they first enter a zone, join the small or larger group?
On the other hand this can be a disaster if that group of tags aren’t on the same page and after an objective is won or major battle has ended, they immediately split ways. Those that aren’t in a voice comm (you’ll notice the where I’m going with this) are the ones who are stuck confused, or may follow the wrong guy.

Still, it’s got its uses if used correctly, like any other weapon or strategy. Overall I think our server does a rather good job of it.

I have heard that argument before, and while it does seem like a valid point if we’re talking about people who just joined the map, once the big group starts moving that creates a problem, even if the commanders are working well together with each other.

For example, the other day I was leading and I had another commander, who is a friend and was following me, have his tag on. While it was not such a big deal, his tag did slow things down, simply because sometimes he would go in one direction to chase an enemy and I was already trying to move on, but I had to wait for the whole group to realize we were moving. So, for instance, on reset day, when we have to move fast and be very organized, multiple tags intensify that kind of problem 100 fold. After a couple of hours with multiple tags people start to get tired and scatter all over the map.

Of course, I understand that this will be an issue we’ll have to deal with for a while so the only solution for now is teach people to join squads, although they’re pretty much useless atm.

Fikfain.5849:

testpig.5018:

Regarding to many commanders… yes the zerg does run with to many commanders, i have seen like 5 commander dots in 1 spot many many times with many of the “alliance” zergs.. i often ask myself why? just to really show the purgers, this is where the zerg is at?

when i use my command dot, is for my guild members to have a much easier time knowing exactly where we are when then join the fight.. and for players that don’t wish to run with the massive zerg.

To reinforce the last point, if a server has enough people to take two objectives at once, then as Testpig says, two commanders should be running their icons and moving in opposite directions around the map or to differing objectives (one commander deals with quick tactical supply camp/dolyak strikes while the other knocks down supply starved doors). It would be absurdly easy to defend a map by keeping spies reporting the maneuvers of a single massive Zerg following a single commander around the map. That is a horrible strategy.

A single massive zerg is not always a bad strategy. In fact, many times, we lose control of a map due to our inability to form a single massive zerg because people think they’re so cool that they can’t play with the other kids.

If you’re are constantly getting wiped by a large zerg what will you do, keep 3 groups around the map so each can be wiped? The thing with WvW is that the maps are small enough that a large zerg CAN defend a map, specially if things are upgraded.

I enjoy running small guild groups and roaming around and having small scare fights, they’re awesome. But I don’t fool myself thinking that when I do that I’m contributing to the score or helping my server in any effective way.

Most effective ways of helping a server imo are:

• Hang back in our borderlands and whisper online commanders when a major assault is about to happen.
• Hang back in our borderlands and keep it clean, retaking camps, flags, quaggans.
• Help defend whatever it is we already own.
• Push into enemy territory effective AND when you can afford not to be defending.
• Teach new people about the game constantly.

Major mistake people make and that hurt their servers.

• Run a camp capping group for xp when there’s a queue on that map.
• Run a small group that doesn’t support the main group when necessary.
• Do the jumping puzzle when there is a queue on the map.
• Use commander’s tag when there are already enough commanders on the map and/or when you don’t have your own group following you.

There are a few other behaviors I could add to both lists, but what I have in there is a good start for anyone that is really interested in helping the server and not just doing it for personal gratification.

Flayfirst.4735:

jkctmc.8754:

@DK

They need to give us a commander tag that only guild members can see.

That would further stratify WVW gameplay, not everyone is a part of everyone’s else’s guild. So I would be forced to join DkZ, if I want to follow Diash. So why have a guild with my friends? Maybe a limit on the amount of Commander tags in a map, OR (wait for it . . .) communication so there is less confusion. I think we do that on BP . . .

I actually like that idea. At least you should have the option of having the tag show map-wide or just be restricted to guild members.

It would also help a lot if they fixed the squad joining through left clicking the icon on the map. Cause that isn’t working right now.

TS should be public and server-wide. If it belongs to the alliance and only those in it can join, I would push for a public server-wide one. In Borlis we have one and anyone that wishes may use it. In fact, we try our best to get as many people in there as we can.

The commander tag thing is a bit delicate cause many commanders do use their tags when it’s unnecessary. I have been in situations where I simply had to turn my tag off and ask my guys to follow an unknown commander because being in one group was more important at that moment then having many smaller ones and the guy for some reason insisted on having his tag on. I mean, when I run with guildies only I don’t even turn it on cause I have them on ts and we can communicate well being in parties. Sometimes we just put the target on the head of the person leading and that’s a commander tag on a budget.

Tag stacking has been a problem in Borlis though. I think less experienced commanders should have the humility to turn their tags off IF they won’t lead their own groups. I mean, a guy comes in the map by himself and turns his tag on. The other commander with his tag on has a group of 25 of his guildies and friends. What is the first guy trying to do? He’s just trying to be important and pushing it on other people. So you definitely should ask yourself if the tag is necessary as a tool at that moment.

Also, why have more than 1 commander wear the tag in one place? If they often split groups and have their own squads I can understand, but if they’re all gonna be in one place, I don’t see the point. 1 group 1 commander is almost always the right answer imo. That being said though, you should respect people and try to make them see reason. Alas, sometimes you won’t be able to and will just have to suck it up. I do find the typical “I paid 100g for it so I will use it whenever I want” attitude quite silly though. I mean, you might have paid 200 dollars for a cologne but that doesn’t mean you should wear it all the time.

Anyways, hope you guys find a good home for your guild or solve your issues with the alliance. Hoping more guilds would transfer to AR might not be the best option though, as that could actually create even more problems.

Kodiack.2783:

One of the biggest problems that BP faces is that is really hasn’t been vetted and suffer from the “smartest kid on the short bus” syndrome.

Lets look at how they got to be where they are today.

Tier 8.

They were able to beat Devona’s Rest and Kaineng. Beating up on the lowest Tier isn’t something to brag about.

Tier 7.

When it was challenging.

Rank 19 = Darkhaven, NSP, Yak’s, Emery Bay, Sorrows Furnace.
Rank 20 = Anvil Rock.

They consistently lost.

When things settled down , GoM joined Tier 7.

With a more even match-up they came into their own. Granted that GoM turned out to be a dying server but they at least made a fight out of it for 4 weeks.

So they beat GoM and Anvil Rock in Tier 7.

Tier 6

They beat a dead HoD server and it turns out a weak Sorrows Furnace server.

Next week it looks like they will have their first true test with both Dragonbrand and Darkhaven. Good luck and I’ll be the first to congratulate you if you prove to have equal success in the next tier.

-K

We know that. We’re anxious and excited to see what will happen as well. However, we have lost plenty and know how that is like. So, if we get pushed so bad we end up stuck just defending our own borderlands, that’s how it will be. We will have to assess the situation and find out what we can do to make it better. If anything, losing is great for leveling alts.

But, someone did say that we would get stomped by SF when we moved up. We didn’t. Now the wish of some people in AR is that it happens in the next tier. But they won’t lose hope even if we do well next week. There will still be 4 tiers for AR to suck out the marrow of its sweet prophecy and cry tears of joy when they see BP losing a match by a landslide. “Yes. It will happen. One day it will finally happen! Praise the Lord!”

Kardiamond.6952:

@DKz Lux

No need to be boyscout, but no need to troll ether. It was cool the first week, now it’s just boring.Oh and last thread was closed because of flamming issue.

It just seems like everytime you post, you ignore anyone that replied to you, and use the same random arrogant argument.

I’m sure you are an intelligent being, and you only do that because you are bored.

Keep it clean boys!

You’re almost shaming me into making decent posts! If only I could be cool like you.

Dovgan.8605:

@DKz Honestly, if he hadn’t run, he wouldn’t have survived. Been pretty on point today. And I am starting to get worn down, there are some really decent people on AR, but I have been fighting so long and hard for the server, I’m starting to run out of fuel.

Sometimes you just have to stop fighting for the server and doing what’s best for the score and just do what you want and have fun. My guildies complain to me when I push them too hard (which I often do), so I take some time off and take them out to do guild groups and just have fun without worrying about capping anything. We have a great time and the game becomes enjoyable again.

Don’t let it stress you out too much or it might take all the fun out of the game for you.

A few weeks ago when we were getting stomped by SF, EB, etc, my favorite moment was when we had lost everything and we could relax and retake our map without pressure.

Dovgan.8605:

I have to admit that I am a little disappointed in AR right now. Was just in EB and we had 2, yes 2 people in there. This is not the same AR I am used to. I guess that is the state of AR Wv3 right now. That being said, it was funny that the true 80 geared BP Guardian ran from my ungeared lvl 31 reroll like a frightened little girl and had to get back up to fight me. I guess that’s the state of BP Wv3.

I think what happened is a Dolyak effect. Lately we’ve been teaching them to not kill the Yaks alone so they can share the rewards with others.

Maybe he was running back and saying in team chat “guys, free badges, come fast or I might just take it for myself!” and the other guys were saying “thanks. I love getting my AR badges in the morning.”

Godfather.8217:

@DK

Real classy, ya know if perhaps BP was in tier 1 and actually pulled control of one side completely i’d understand posting things like this and calling the server out, but when your fighting two servers that obviously has less population in the wvw maps, it’s rather a joke. As much as I think it’s great for BP gaining all these people suddenly, to move you up in tiers, I can’t wait till you meet servers with equal population in the maps as you guys have, and then I hope you get stomped all over, so you’ll see that in reality that it’s not your awesome “stategic” minds winning at the end of the day, it’s really just your numbers. When you all figure that out, I bet that your mighty alliance will fall apart from bickering at each other, because your “Zerg” fest mentality fighting against under populated servers isn’t going to work. Then your server will fall just as fast as it rose, simply because of your arrogance.

I love reading your posts. It’s so much fun when you rage in the forums. I think that’s why I was a bit bored last week. SF doesn’t have great guys like you in AR. We tried to make them QQ in the forums, but I guess they didn’t care enough.

I think Borlis has had like 2, maybe 3, transfers since beta. What are you talking about we have more numbers? Just go to cursed shore and fractals and tell them to come wvw. Then you can give them 10 golems and throw at a gate. There you go, now you taught AR players how to do wvw your style.

BTW, do players in AR think Hills + WP = JP?

I think the answer is obvious when all the major guilds participate in it. I honestly feel bad for the good honest players in AR trying to put in the hard work for a server that clearly is rotten to the core.

Update.

Didn’t AR get a fancy alliance that would make everything better?

They seem weaker than the last time we fought them. Wondering what happened.

Evilzara.6378:

“I might u might need to retake English 101.” – Daiosho

Quote of the week.

Hard work trolling AR and SF.

Niim.9260:

DKz Lux.4125:

We had a couple of guilds transfer in the last two months and they can’t field more than 10 players each.

DKz Lux.4125:

I think we had like 5 maybe 6 players transfer to borlis in the last year. What are you talking about?

Your math issues are showing again, you should at least keep your story straight.

LOL

The game was released for what, 4 months? You really can’t read irony.

I think u might need to retake English 101.

These AR people are pretty vicious. Can you SF guys do something pls. Gees

jkctmc.8754:

No contest, this will be Borlis Pass again. We’ll get to hear how they don’t have that many players, even though like right now, 3:24 am central, they take their Hills back with at least 50 players, we have the outmanned buff, while they’re also in Anvil Rock Borderlands, and we have the outmanned buff. We portal to Eternal Battlegrounds to see if we can muster something there, without fighting with the outmanned buff, and we’re still outmanned.

All the while, over night SF seems to only have like 10 players on.

Oh well, we’ll give it all we got while suffering the insults of previous weeks.

I think we had like 5 maybe 6 players transfer to borlis in the last year. What are you talking about?

amiable.4823:

DKz Lux.4125:

SF has been a lame opponent this week. Stop QQing on the forums about random kitten that doesn’t even make sense. This just pisses me off to no end.

Welp, I’m sorry it makes you sad. Why don’t you help a brother out and destroy these banks of siege weapons when you see them then? Thanks!

We always destroy any enemy siege we find btw.

amiable.4823:

DKz Lux.4125:

I’m a bit puzzled. Did you guys actually hit siege cap? This doesn’t make sense to me. What exactly was the problem?

Did you get to a point where you couldn’t place siege anymore or were you just annoyed they were in bad spots?

Didn’t hit siege cap but a few things:

1. Siege cap was mentioned, we never hit it, but that isn’t the only point.
2. It uses up vital garrison supply building useless siege. Its not just “bad positioning” to have a flame ram sitting in a siege depot.
3. The evidence of collusion is pretty strong, normal modus operendi for taking an objective is immediately destroying all the enemies internal siege equipment. Yet miraculously all this useless siege sat untouched while you held the garrison for several hours.
4. Really? you guys are dominating the entire week do you really need to have a spy kittening up supply depots and siege? That’s just unsportsmanlike.

I think you guys are a bit paranoid.

Really? Who tries to waste someone’s supplies by building a balista? It costs 10s for 30 supply. Ram is 6s for 40 supply.

IF you had 15 rams sitting inside your lord’s room like we had when playing against AR then you’d suspect this kind of thing. But given the circumstances the bad sportsmanship that’s going on is on your side for accusing us of something that is very unlikely to have happened.

SF has been a lame opponent this week. Stop QQing on the forums about random kitten that doesn’t even make sense. This just pisses me off to no end.

Maybe next you’ll say we stopped you from hitting the world record by using 160 of your supply? LOL

The true hardcore WvW players in SF must be dying a bit inside every time they see this kind of post. But that’s ok. They’re only like, what, 15 people?

SuiRyuJin.4615:

there was a person running around wasting our supply and building random seige in useless places on SF borderland tonite. i have no idea if he was a xfer over on purpose or he was just being an kitten i would however appreciated it if BP actually killed those useless seige the nxt time they decide to take our garrison when theres 4 ballista and a ram sitting by a supply depot on the outer ring being useless. or any other place for that matter if they find it.

I’m a bit puzzled. Did you guys actually hit siege cap? This doesn’t make sense to me. What exactly was the problem?

Did you get to a point where you couldn’t place siege anymore or were you just annoyed they were in bad spots?

Is it weird if I say I was hoping AR would move up and we could face them again?

Kinda miss the rivalry.

Niim.9260:

DKz Lux.4125:

I believe it is grassroots indeed. We had a couple of guilds transfer in the last two months and they can’t field more than 10 players each. So unless those guys are gods I don’t see how it could have been them making all the difference.

Are you guys just trollin? Seems like, but it is borderline. It is feasible that someone can be that naive, but every post DKz puts up being that way… starting to feel like trollin. Good trollin if that is the case, lol if it isn’t.

95% of your posts are ad hominem attacks. You fail to argue against someone’s point and call them names. Your favorite one is troll, you use that in 50% of your posts. Naive is a new one. I like the fact that you’re innovating.

Keep up the good work.

Surbrus.6942:

I hope that the increased skill and numbers is grass roots from Borlis Pass. If so than you guys did a really good job with the improvements since last we (Sorrow’s) saw you guys in a match (a few weeks ago where SF pretty much shut out BP and AR during Sorrow peak hours). If the improvements were more so from transfers than that would be unfortunate.

Not commenting on this match here, but that would be a terrible trend for WvW transfers if big WvW guilds that ride winning servers simply mass transfer to the bottom server every now and then to get more easy wins. It really kills the sense of community when you get huge influxes, or outflows of guilds to your server.

I believe it is grassroots indeed. We had a couple of guilds transfer in the last two months and they can’t field more than 10 players each. So unless those guys are gods I don’t see how it could have been them making all the difference.

I know that I myself have brought a ton of people from PVE into WvW.

I also agree with you that it would be unfortunate if we got a huge influx of players to Borlis. That’s why we don’t advertise on the forums or try to get guilds to transfer to our server. Small groups and individual players are ok, but large guilds I’d rather not see happening.

I like to think of it as a company. It’s nice to hire new people, but we need to give them time to adjust to the culture of the company. That’s why a merger might ruin both companies sometimes, culture misfit.

Hopefully not too many people pay attention to Borlis and we’re left alone to improve our server slowly. I would prefer to be in the last tier and having fun with people I know and respect than being at the top with a lot of drama, queues and people I have never played with before.

If SF doesn’t get their kitten together, they’ll lose a lot of players. AR is moving up and they’re vicious. Be warned.

Niim.9260:

It amazes me how many people get defensive about these things. What’s wrong with saying we got some new people and been working on our teamwork? Why is it always one or the other?

Nothing wrong with getting more people, wish SF could get a bunch of off hour folks, nothing to get defensive about.

The thing is, when a server is winning, the other servers try to discredit it by saying it’s only because of numbers and that they have numbers only because of transfers.

In other words, you’re trying to say that the work each one of us puts into building a nice wvw community is really irrelevant and that training new commanders, teaching people about the game, having good strategy, good communication, etc etc, doesn’t make a difference. Anyone who thinking this way doesn’t know much about wvw.

Update for those who can’t log into the game.

Niim.9260:

DKz Lux.4125:

Do you know what their reasoning behind these posts of accusation is? They believe BP got stronger by getting transfers and that if they make BP look bad we’ll not get anymore transfers and go back to the ranking we “deserve”.

Not that I care, but BP certainly has a much larger off-hour presence then it did when we last met in a match-up. So I would assume that you have gotten transfers.

A good amount of the players in my guild are from Europe and Australia. We have been in Borlis since beta, but before most of them were getting their chars to lvl80 and doing PVE content. Now we mostly do WvW.

Plus some of our guys from the US are crazy and stay up all night long.

Yes. We are worried about them.

Wow, those guys from AR are really bitter. They even come post kitten in here after our matchup has ended. They must really miss us.

jkctmc.8754 for example is just trying to make BP look bad once again.

Do you know what their reasoning behind these posts of accusation is? They believe BP got stronger by getting transfers and that if they make BP look bad we’ll not get anymore transfers and go back to the ranking we “deserve”.

The truth is, Borlis Pass is one of the few servers that doesn’t promote itself in the forums. We don’t ask for major guild transfers to our server and the reason for that is simple. Just as people transfer into a server they can transfer out of it. We are trying to develop a strong WvW culture and a good environment for all our members. That is achieve with a slow steady growth, focusing on making PVE players interested in WvW instead of getting new WvW players from other servers.

Of course, people who transfer are welcome so long as they want to have fun and are respectful, but these trebs about hack this and that only make yourself look bad.

Everyone knows by now what the procedures for reporting a bug/exploit/hack are and that’s how you do things properly, help the game and help anet.

ALL major guilds in Borlis Pass have a no bug/hack/exploit abuse policy. We won´t use portals that we didn’t place there legitimately ourselves and we will kick any members we see trying to exploit.

So let’s keep this thread positive and have a good matchup.

BabelFish.7234:

It’s so simple! Make Mesmer portals only able to teleport X amount of players (5 to me seems reasonable this way if someone still wants to Mesmer bomb they can coordinate for a highly tactical strike of mesmers to multi-portal bomb).

In combination with fixing the climbable terrain in WvW I believe this will balance out one of WvW’s defining balance issues.

Boo!

Kardiamond.6952:

Godfather aka Darksavage is actually really cool and ressourful in game.

He justs seems to post a lot on the emotion in the forum. But I understand him, as when you fight zerg with a small group, it get really frustrating.

I’m anti-zerg, I hate to be part of the zerg, even if I do it sometime. This is a part of WvW that I wish would be changed over.

@ Kardia – I’m sure he is. He just posts a lot in anger on the forums so comes off as being very annoying. Actually, it’s funny cause a lot of the people I know from BP also sound different on the forums then in-game. I bet I do too. I guess it’s the rivalry that makes people a bit more aggressive.

As for fighting a zerg, I understand, but you also have to know what your group can and cannot do. I don’t know if you have noticed, but I went to AR and GoM BL as a guild only group a few times this week.
Sometimes we were just lvling chars, other times having fun without any real objective. Many times we got stomped by an AR zerg. I know the feeling. But we adapted and learned from it. It’s actually a great experience. Also, check out that video the NEWL guys posted. There are ways of dealing with a zerg if you’re in a small group. Check out the southern camp battle where they pull a couple at a time and focus fire them til they’re all dead. It was awesome.

So if you wanna have fun fighting small groups, look us up on weekdays. Also, if you wanna get together on ts or send me a whisper and plan a guild vs guild battle I’m all for that too. Even if your guild is only 3 people. I think that kind of activity can help us start seeing each other as gaming buddies instead of enemies.

Godfather.8217:

Dark Aidget.3879:

@Dovgan “Those are probably some of the golems I build. I make 15 to 20 a day to let people play around in them.
Where they go after they are built doesn’t really matter much to me.”

First off, how kewl are you? I think that’s awesome. Second, can I have your money? Because you obviously have too much. Seriously tho, as one who pretty much only defends BP home turf, I have been wondering what the heck was up with the sudden golem plague. That answers that question.

I have been reading through the posts from this week, and I have to put in my two cents. There’s lots of conspiracy theories about AR and BP, or GoM and BP working together. That’s just not true. There is plenty of woe on our side decrying the never-ending alliance between GoM and AR. Coincidence is a kitten.

Do we have superior numbers? Only in this last week have I seen a sudden surge in strange names and guild tags, and I will second Plok: You can have a good chunk of them back. They are combative, foul-mouthed, and extremely disruptive. You lost no asset, and we do not thank you for them. Aside from that, we have seen a slow and steady growth, not just in player coming from PvE, but in our own players finding where they fit in the structure. Teamwork is what is making Borliss Pass a solid competitor. When AR threw all those golems at our Garry (twice) this week? Our map was mostly unmanned. The fact was, our communication was such that Daiosho only had to spend 15 second spamming a message on his friend list for all of us to descend. It was a hell of a battle, and the numbers were a dead match. The only reasons why we beat 10 golems that had broken into the lord’s room was loyalty and dedication.

Engender that and you will go far.

I have to reply to this one, but is this a serious post or is this a joke?

Is this another wonderful post about how “awesome” BP organization and skillful playing is again.

You guys didn’t win those two moments because you were “better”, listen dude you won because of rendering issues. If you want to assume real organization and skill, frankly we shouldn’t have even broken into the lords room. The fact we did means we caught you off guard. The fact that you had invisible thieves abusing the rendering issues in the circle preventing us from cap’ing even though we had it twice in a row just means you bought enough time to call your forces. Speaking of forces, notice i’m not calling it a “zerg”, you guys simply run around in circles as a full group. Your more effective like this, because from my experience in fighting your groups, you guys are worthless as separate guilds. BP’s theory of throwing everything they got at the gate because they got bodies to do it may work in this tier but i feel sorry for you when you fight against those with equal population in the wvw map in the next tier.

I had a good laugh when a group of you the other day, came into AR borderlands with 4 or 5 golems to take out our keeps, and we were even outmanned. I mean really?

If everone keeps inflating BP’s head with all this great strategy and tactics they use in game, your setting them up for failure for the next tier.

good luck fella’s you’ll need it.

@ God – Please stop sucking on a lemon. You are way too bitter already.