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Using the Gliko Formula to estimate the MMR of a single player in a team-based game is absolutly a joke.
Elo and Gliko system are formulas created to estimate the real value of a player in a single-player game like chess.
Let me explain better: I’m a really good chess player, I won, the Gligko system can estimate my real value based on WHO I defeat. But for real, this is my story, this is my personal single-player team, so every choise is made by my brain.
Now think about a team-based game like basketball and a ladderboard based on single player (ladderboard is based on MMR so your MMR is higher at higher ladderboard position) that determinate your team friends. Think about a very good talented player like Allen Iverson: He played in a not very amazing team, so he never won the NBA Cup or what…anyway he is considered one of the gratest player of all time with a lot of MVP Trophy.
Using Glicko system to estimate him value, Allen Iverson will be a very low rank and non-skilled player, because his team were not very good(not for him fault).To closing: single laddreboard/MMR value are an amazing joke. Ladderboard must be team based and not player based. This is easy for teamQ, impossibile for soloQ. SoloQ don’t need a ladder…It’s just a random arena.
Sorry for my bad english!
Easy for TeamQ? Not at all when you play only with 1 or 2 friends and then get matched up with randoms that don’t know squat, don’t talk, and ofc get facerolled by premades. This because only way to play with my friends and don’t get moved other teams side, is joining TA.
I’m sick and tired of this all, sick and tired. This game needs new modalities, a total rework of leaderbords and huge nerf/balance of cheesy spechs (e.g. Warrior first of all, Necro straight after, Thief on podium too).
Atm it’s all about procs, ladders are a joke. Every evening we get pised off and most of our friends left already. This because nobody cares, nor even cared.
And rather to solve the real problems, we get new power creep monsters (all ready to see the new Ele soon?) as Fotm, then a nerf to the ground and again, back on top horrible OP as never been afterwards. All this back and forth.
This appear to be theyr idea of balance. I swear in 10y of Mmos I’ve never seen a similar abomination ever.
Yeah a rant, this ain’t remotely funny, never been.On a side note: I dont really agree on ladders based over Teams only. They should be based on personal efforts during matchups, not about how many you win or loose for the above reason ( e.g. Allen Iverson).
Of course you are right! I explained bad the teamQ side of the problem.
IMHO teamQ ladderrboard must be made by team: somenthing like the GW1 system in GvG (minimum 4/8 of the team must be a member).
Last, but important to: create a system with ladder for effort during match is not easy because, how can you really value the effort of a single player? The score at the end of a match in my opinion is useless because a lot of class do few point but do a very important job. Would be great if this could be possibile, but estimate the effort of a player in a match is not very simple.
Ok…I had more explanations at my topic.
About question number 1: ok, Anet wanna create a PvP form where everyone can do almost everything and the class is more like a playing style. In reality, it is not, because how can you defeat 3 engi bunker and 2 warriors with a team base don 3 thieves and 2 mesmers? This game is very unbalanced.
About questione number 2: we play as team, so why we have a single player ladder? Think a simple example: Allen Iverson is one of the greates basketball player ever but he played in teams that can’t win NBA Finals or a very high number of matches also against bad teams. So Allen Iverson is a bad player? No…he won a lot of personal award like MVP) but if we do a ladder based on Glicko/Elo system I think Allen Iverson would be passed by other player that are not good like him.
About quetsion number 3: similar discussion like question number 2, but here we have other things to say. IMHO soloQ ladder means nothing. If you are lucky to get nice teams in your first 10 match, after those you will get groupped with good players. If you are un-lucky and you get 4/5 match 4vs5 in a row (happened to me) you will fall down in ladder. This ladder could have importance only if you play 1vs1 or 1vs1 with bot like Hero battles in GW1.
About question number 4: create a GvG system is the MOST IMPORTANT things in a game namer Guild Wars (with a Guild based ladder…not on single player…). Nothing to say here. This is the true.
About question number 5: nothing to add.
General thing to add: Glicko/Elo can’t work with a single player based ladder on a videogame. A lot of people have multiple accounts so you can’t determinate the real value of a player, expescially in this case: team based matches and single player based ladder. It work for chess in real life (you are only one, the only one), but not for a vidoegame.
Sorry for my bad english anyway.
(edited by Dany Little Star.2837)
Hi everyone,
after about 200 solo match tournament, I have a question about the creation of the roster. In my mind there are 2 way to explain how to work the matchmaking system, but I really can understand how is the most real:
A) The system take 5 people with similar MMR against other 5 people with similar MMR, but the two team can have different MMR averange. In this case, people with low MMR play in a low skill team and they couldn’t win very much.
B) The system take 10 people with similar MMR and compose 2 team, with the result of 2 balanced team. In this case, it’s hard to climb the leaderboard because we can only take few “MMR point”, cause the GLICKO algoritmh.
Can you explain the real situation?
I think I’m wrong and I want to discover the real way: HOW THE MATCHMAKING SYSTEM WORK?
Thanks a lot and sorry for my bad eng