Guild Wars 2

GADefence.5634:

“There is always going to be players who just don’t get MMO’s and want everything handed to them with no time put in, they are looking for a “fair” arcade beat em up, in the wrong place.”

I love how I’ve played and gotten bored of nearly all MMOs on the market and generally enjoy most of them for a bit (until I need to start 100% grinding) so I must obviously want to play mortal kombat.

Sorry mate, square hole round peg, stop trying to force me through your pre conceptions.

Do you see the irony? You end up leaving because most MMO’s make you grind. Well that’s because that’s how MMO’s work. My point being, you are looking for a game that is not an MMO, but yet still trying to find it while playing MMO’s.

You’re welcome for the revelation.

psirca.9452:

This is where your opinion should be on the topic.
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/gw2/Thoughts-on-Ascended-Gear-Merged-threads

Not in your own thread. Oh sure, we know, you want to be heard and you think because you make your own special thread where you insult people instead of stick to the topic you will be rewarded by the system because you brown-nosed, incorrect.

Do you just copy/paste this in EVERY thread? Where is he insulting anyone? Same with when you posted the exact same thing in my thread word for word. You are not a forum admin, let them do their jobs, and while I am at it, I am reporting you for spamming.

Have a nice day

There is always going to be players who just don’t get MMO’s and want everything handed to them with no time put in, they are looking for a “fair” arcade beat em up, in the wrong place.

Jordix.7910:

No grind in this game. No sir, not at all.

How would it be any fun, if they just gave it to EVERYONE? Then there is no point in even having it.

Can I have all your stuffs?

smug.3895:

RhysSebastian.7651:

Actually you just inspired me, naked lupicus run with level 80 weapons sometime this week lol full party.

DO IT!!!! Mad props to you.

Dego, in the beginning, I too thought that this game was mostly skill, seeing that I never died while my wife died at every encounter. Then I hit lvl 80 and got better gear.

Please try it. You may have a completely different opinion. With better gear, a challenging fight went from two-three normal adds to gather all the mobs in the area and mop the floor with them. It almost seemed like a joke.

MMORPGs, in particular, change things, but rarely do they change a core philosophy in how a game is built. I think that’s what a lot of people are upset about. In a fight between two lvl 80s, it’s fair to think that the person who invested 400 hours into the character would win against someone who spent 100. However, the reason for this was supposed to be because of skill not gear. In a game where one of the main design philosophy was that gear would not matter, it matters very much and looks to matter even more.

I will take your advice, and when I am fully geared 80 I might agree, if and when that time comes that I feel I am killing everything too easily I’d be willing to come back to the thread and say I was wrong.

Ravnodaus.5130:

But there is certainly a lot of people upset about this new gear tier. And they seem to be pretty intent on discussing it. And they seem to be engaging in dialogue, much of which is actually meaningful. They are actually listening to one another, almost as if their voices are being heard and validated from one another.

Oh they are?! Funny most of what I read was the same 20 guys complaining and whining about something they should’ve seen coming. A necessary evil if you will.

And engaging in “meaningful conversation” and “listening to ideas” to you means, “people who agree with me, and have the same opinion as I do”, everyone else is just muttering nonsense right? They must be, since you don’t agree with them, and WE ALL know who you are and care about what you think right? I think not.

What’s that?! You don’t care if I’m having fun with the game!? That’s nice, I didn’t ask you to care. All I have done on the whole topic is put my 2 cents in. But guys like you read my posts, and deep down know I am right and have a point, a point that differs from yours, and you feel threatened (amusingly I might add), so you attack my opinion and make assumptions on what type of person I must be to have an opinion that differs from yours.

And where did I insult anyone? I must of missed that when I typed it…….

LOL at your whole post, and your disdain for me and my opinion. It really is an amusing rant to say the least. Is it satire?

Kimbald.2697:

DegoLocc.5976:

Most players are in the game right now, playing the event, having fun, a minority is on the forums crying. Nothing new here to see in the world of MMO forums.

I’m off to play the game, have fun with all the forum PVP, lulz.

you have no idea of knowing what ‘most’ players are doing or what they like or dislike.

Everybody should stop speaking for others.

Forums are only a minority for those who disagree on what’s being said.

Just take the forums as feedback.

I do, I’m psychic, and all knowing, and I can tell you this, what the majority of ppl want, is usually not the best thing for the game. Simply because most ppl don’t know what they really want, or what they’re even talking about to begin with.

Ok enough critical forum pvp hits, I’m off to the event for real this time :P

xtorma.1283:

DegoLocc.5976:

Most players are in the game right now, playing the event, having fun, a minority is on the forums crying. Nothing new here to see in the world of MMO forums.

I’m off to play the game, have fun with all the forum PVP, lulz.

I used to read these same posts on the swtor forums. Word for word what you just wrote.

Yea I was on SWTOR forums as well, telling them how static, bland and boring their game was instead of playing it. :P

MetalDays.9285:

I enjoyed GW2 very much recreationally, but I stopped playing a while ago awhile at lvl 25 for some reasons:

1. All my friends said the end-game is non-existant. Thats not neccessarily bad – but it didnt meet their expectations.

2. I didnt rly enjoy the pvp…was too confusing and I got overwhelmed with a lot of concepts in the game (like crafting for example)

Now I decided to give it a try again and I see a lot of people are complaining about the new patch. I’m curious, why is that, what has changed so substantionally ?

Casual ppl like you like their games simple, gw2 just got a little bit more involved, so carebears cry that they don’t get all their shiny toys at level 1 with no work. They think level cap should equal a ceiling on how powerful your character can get.

Others feel that they want their characters to grow in power past level 80, and that it gives the game longevity. Which in my opinion is correct. Level 80 is a boring place without progression. But some ppl want instant gratification without any work put in, and they fail to see the long term flaw with that design.

Most players are in the game right now, playing the event, having fun, a minority is on the forums crying. Nothing new here to see in the world of MMO forums.

I’m off to play the game, have fun with all the forum PVP, lulz.

Can I have your stuff?

More open world PVP zones.

Wasselin.1235:

I was ready to play GW2 instead of WoW. But now I’m not sure. Why not play WoW if I’m going to have to grind for gear anyway.

because the grind in this game is a whole different animal….. and WOW sucks, it’s for kiddies, and it’s VERY dated.

That’s why, you’re welcome.

Osprey.6587:

DegoLocc.5976:

I loved DAoC, and from the start have seen how similar GW2 is, I love it! I am personally glad GW2 has grown from GW1, no gear progression means, hit max level and stop playing your level 80 toon. Gear progression means, you get to keep playing your main, and that is a good thing IMO.

Depends on how long an attention span you have. I can see yours is relatively short since you think hitting max level ended the game before this change. This just puts the carrot a little further out in front of you is all.

I personally do not equate seeing bigger numbers with progress and I would garner no satisfaction out of defeating someone I had a 15% gear advantage over either.

edit: Your use of commas borders on criminal. Please stop using them.

What do you want? To hit 80 and have nothing to do? You want to eat the carrot on the stick as soon as you roll your toon?! People like to feel like their character continues to grow past level cap, it’s called end game.
If you don’t like progression and time sink, MMO’s are clearly not for you.

And for the record, I’m not from WOW, in fact, I think WOW killed mmo’s.

Go ahead and have a hissy fit and leave because of some minor issue, you’ll be back. As far as MMO’s on the market today, this one is the best. Sure you can go play your personal niche’ MMO, but face it, you’d be lucky to find ppl still playing them.

I had an ecco the dophin flashback last night, it was uber.

LOL, some of you are so dramatical.

What do you want? To hit 80 and have nothing to do? You want to eat the carrot on the stick as soon as you roll your toon?! People like to feel like their character continues to grow past level cap, it’s called end game.

If you don’t like progression and time sink, MMO’s are clearly not for you.

End game grind progression WILL be in this game it isn’t going anywhere. And if you are leaving, can I have your stuff?

I loved DAoC, and from the start have seen how similar GW2 is, I love it! I am personally glad GW2 has grown from GW1, no gear progression means, hit max level and stop playing your level 80 toon. Gear progression means, you get to keep playing your main, and that is a good thing IMO.

Ostra.3927:

You are right Dego. I bought into the things the devs said they would not do and believed them.

So the next time a salesmen gives you a bad product… that would be YOUR fault right? not his? So just suck it up and learn to never buy from that company again.

Good advice. Dego says dont buy from Anet ever again. I agree with him

Your candor is noted, and no, not in life generally, but when it comes to videogames, I have learned over the years to not buy into the hype and wait until the game is released and experience it for myself.

The gear in this game so far, and for the foreseeable future is not “gamebreaking” by any means, it’s a slight advantage at best, nothing to go up in arms over, like I said, we ain’t talking about Warhammer Online progression here where if you haven’t been playing for a couple years you stand no chance type of deal. This game just offers a bit of incentive to continue to play your level 80 toon, well, PAST 80! And that’s a good thing.

Anet has done what no other MMO company has managed in a long time, they made a fun game. The pve is fun, the pvp is a blast, and I thank them for that, We’ll see what they do in the future, but I think their heads are in the right place atm.

Arreyanne.2683:

@DegoLocc

So basiclly if you play 8 hours a day and because I have a job and a family and can squeeze in only 3

You are deserving of not only better stats but entitled to all the top tier areas of a game simply because you can log on more often than I

Thats a pretty self center opinion .

Oh then again I guess you’re one of those ppl that brag about beating lvl 10’s with your lvl capped toon complete with the top flight gear, and then send that lvl 10 tells about how leet you are

Don’t put words in my mouth please. And no, I AM the type of player who brags about beating BETTER geared ppl than myself.

With a totally fair even playing field, being the underdog is not possible is/was my argument, if you care to re read all of my posts in this thread, because you clearly missed my point numerous times. Better reading comprehension is your friend.

Ostra.3927:

This is the cycle with power creep. It was true in EQ, it was true in DAoC, it was true in CoH, it was true in WOW, it was true in Aion, and Lineage 2, it was true in Warhammer.

GW1 did not have this problem and was very successful. We were told GW2 would NOT follow this line of thinking and so we bought this game over all the others. We were lied to.

I know EXACTLY what you’re saying, but IF you thought anet was gonna do away with end game progession, you bought into the hype and I don’t feel bad for you. Personally some of my fondest MMO memories where in DAoC’s frontiers with my realm rank 5 ranger, sure, I got beat up a lot on my way to RR5, but, it was a fun uphill struggle and when I was high RR I got my turn to beat up on those who had less time put in, to me it was a lot of fun.

Don’t get me wrong, there where times on my way up that I was able to take down higher realm rank players than I was, and when I did it was SOOOO gratifying to say the least. Like I said above, I don’t want eveything handed to me, I want to work for it. Especially since this game has no paid subs, and I feel like I can go at my own pace no pressure.

MagnusLL.8473:

DegoLocc.5976:

Once again, I’m not even 80 yet, I’m 73 and been playing since launch, and that’s just how I feel.

All well and good, but you’re forgetting two things:

A) gear threadmill MMOs are dime-a-dozen. It never helps them to not fail whenever they’re bad. It’s not so surprising for people to ask for at least ONE who doesn’t devolve into the same old crap.
B) GW2 was explicitly sold as such a “departure” MMO, and not 3 months after launch you get a complete 180 u-turn. Although nowadays this is pretty much standard mmo developer company behavior, you really can’t fault people for being pissed off.

But there are some already that are “Fair and even” and they are more arcade than true MMO. I understand there is a huge pull for games like WOW, and LOL, but, that doesn’t mean we all feel that way. Most ppl feel a certain way of course, most ppl are also stupid and ignorant so….

My point being, just because masses “think” they want something, doesn’t mean they’ll actually like it when they get it. Seen it happen plently of times. If you get your carrot on the end of your stick too early, then you loose interest and get bored, and before you know it, you don’t play anymore.

tigirius.9014:

Stats do add up and give players an advantage. That is besides the point tho. The whole point of the new armors as well as their aquisition isn’t just for the dungeon they added higher stats to them giving players who have done the grind an advantage over others. This type of end game content flies in the face of their manifesto, essentially they lied to the public and to their players when they made this move. They can no longer be trusted.

If you REALLY believed ALL level 80’s would be equal in endgame, in an MMO, then you fooled yourself. That’s just not the way MMO’s work. And if they did work that way, they would be “arcade” like league of legends, that’s some ppl’s preference, but I think they are looking in the wrong genre for a game then.

Ostra.3927:

A master black belt will kick the crap out of a green belt because he is better.

NOT because his shoes give him +10 to butt damage.

I can appreciate you have a different opinion but you did not argue why power creep is good. Instead you just said “its good, its needed”

Name an MMO without a gear progression that died in the end. Go ahead I can by all means discuss that since I can name a LOT more that died because of it then because of a lack of it.

Lol what killed certain MMO’s can be debated all day just like this topic.

And yes, a black belt will kick their butts because he is better, has trained harder, longer, has more energy, and has access to more skills because he has been doing in longer.

Why in this game should a fresh button mashing level 80 even stand a chance against a player who is actually using tactics and not just playing the “activate what is cooled down” game?

In my experience the guys who want no end game gear stat progressions, end up leaving the game down the road anyway even if they get their way, because they see how boring it is to play fair all the time.

Personally I like being the underdog, having the odds against me on my way leveling up, and killing another guy who is 80, fully geared in end game gear and has a legendary weapon, even though I’m a low 70. Feels really good. Gratification, not instant, but earned.

Sion.1653:

DegoLocc.5976:

Coming from a player since launch, and who is not yet even 80, I think a guy who has 400 hours and a lot of work and time put in, should be slightly more powerful than someone who hasn’t. Gear progession gives ppl something to work for, otherwise hit 80 and then get bored and stop playing. Sad but true.

I respect your opinion and I honestly understand where you’re coming from.

But would it be so wrong for the reward of a player that plays a lot to simply be better at using what everyone else has, rather than being inherently better just through numbers? There would be much more ‘pride’ or whatever through defeating an opponent (or mobs) through expert use of the general tools rather than being given an elite set of tools to accomplish the same task?

Just some thoughts.

Thanks for being open minded enough to take in where I am coming from, and as to what you said I’ll rebuttle, it’s simple.

Anet is not talking about making a power gap, the likes of WARHAMMER, like the difference between tier 2, or tier 3, or end game. The stats benefit seems minimal at best. Good players will still be good, and bad players will still be bad. I really don’t see gear carrying ppl here anytime soon in GW2’s future.

I have seen this argument, time and time again. Only to have the devs change things to please the “forum whiners” masses, who once again won’t even be playing this game 6 months from now.

Casual ppl who want level playing fields don’t last long in MMO’s, because fair is boring, life isn’t fair, and neither are MMO’s. The genre is designed from the ground up to be a time sink.

In a perfect world, we’d all be equal, play every day, and love it. In reality it would get boring, and fast.

Ravnodaus.5130:

DegoLocc.5976:

There is nothing wrong with “power creep” or progression if kept in check. I swear some of you carebear casuals won’t be happy until everyone in the game has everything achievable at level 1.

Go play street fighter, or mortal kombat if you want a “fair game”.

Coming from a player since launch, and who is not yet even 80, I think a guy who has 400 hours and a lot of work and time put in, should be slightly more powerful than someone who hasn’t.

Anet, just keep doing what you’re doing, and don’t let ppl who won’t be playing this game in six months from now regardless, let you sway your design to fit their instant gratification needs.

Just my opinion.

Your first sentence contradicts itself… I take it from that, that you don’t even know what you’re talking about.

Besides, many of the people outraged decided to go to a game that was “fair”. The game was called Guild Wars 2. But… I guess you missed that part?

Ok, you can have your narrow minded opinion, and you can freely express it. But don’t expect people wont think you’re a complete tool because of it.

I don’t know why I’m even responding to this but, once again, it’s my opinion and I’m entitled to it, just like you are.

As someone who is 31 years old and been playing mmo’s since dark ages of camelot , UO, and pre CU/NGE SWG, I feel I am more than qualified to chime in.

Call me narrowminded all you want. If ppl think I’m a “tool” because of my opinion, then so be it.

Ostra.3927:

Degolocc. Did you read anything before posting? Did you watch the videos? Did you even attempt to LEARN why power creep is a problem and has been a problem in EVERY game??

The point is… the ways to combat power creep are there… Anet is not using it. THAT is why we are trying to educate people and instead folks come into threads they know nothing about and dont even attempt to learn anything about why people are upset.

Yes I did as a matter of fact. Are you aware, not everyone shares your feelings? I have seen many MMO’s die as a result of no progression at end game, Simple cosmetic gear changes are not enough to hold some players. Some of us like being the underdog, and still pulling out a win, not all of us wan’t everyone to be completely even and fair. The winner of the battle should be based on several things, spec, tactic’s, time put in “experience”, ect.

A master black belt will kick the crap out of a green belt in martial arts. Why? Experience. Yet 10 green belts MIGHT be able to take the master down with team work.

8 VS 8 is perfect for you competitive guys who want 100% even playing field. Other players, like myself like to add variables in to the equation even if they’re not in my best interest.

And the video’s posted from those extra credit guys, that is their opinion, aside from the helium voices and 5 year old art work, I really can’t take them seriously because they assume that their opinion is right, and anyone who thinks differently is wrong.

You’re all entitled to your own opinions, so I won’t take away from what you guys feel, But I WILL however express my opinion which differs from yours.

End Game Gear progression is a good thing in MMO’s, In my opinion, and it be a lot less interesting and bland without it. And once again, no cosmetic gear changes are simply not enough at end game. Players like me like to feel our toons grow beyound level 80. Not get to 80 and hit a ceiling of progression, just so fresh level 80’s can feel more equal to those level 80’s who have been working their arses off.

Once again, I’m not even 80 yet, I’m 73 and been playing since launch, and that’s just how I feel.

There is nothing wrong with “power creep” or progression if kept in check. I swear some of you carebear casuals won’t be happy until everyone in the game has everything achievable at level 1.

Go play street fighter, or mortal kombat if you want a “fair game”.

Coming from a player since launch, and who is not yet even 80, I think a guy who has 400 hours and a lot of work and time put in, should be slightly more powerful than someone who hasn’t. Gear progession gives ppl something to work for, otherwise hit 80 and then get bored and stop playing. Sad but true.

Anet, just keep doing what you’re doing, and don’t let ppl who won’t be playing this game in six months from now regardless, let you sway your design to fit their instant gratification needs.

Just my opinion.