Guild Wars 2

Nike.2631:

What is the difference between a legendary and an exotic now? The skin. Full Stop.

What is the difference between a legendary and an ascended weapon next week? The skin and the ability to swap bonuses out of combat.

In both cases the SIZE of the bonuses from a legendary are on par with the current top tier for that slot. The top tier is going up, so the Legendaries are going up with it and getting a nifty bit of flexibility that should keep people from transmuting them all the time, which has been a huge headache for the database crew I should think.

thanks

Quote from todays news: “Legendaries:
Along with Ascended weapon crafting, Legendaries will get some upgrades. Legendaries will have all of their stats increased to Ascended level and will gain the ability to change between stat combinations when out of combat. Along with stat changes, many Legendaries will also receive some aesthetic upgrades.”

So Legendary weapons will have the same stats as Ascended weapons but have an ability to change stats? That’s the only differences between what I would assume skins…?

Hell Avenger.7021:

How do you guys click so fast? wait… a macro??

Everyone i know that plays the game hits it regularly just by using a mouse when trying to sell 10+ items.

Vashoom.8512:

They should really stop this nonsense and allow us to play the game as it was intended.
I am not happy about this at all, as most of the things I sell cannot be stacked and sold in bulk.

one of the problems I have is when I remove bought items off the TP my inventory gets full. Then the TP stops feeding items into my inventory because the TP only feeds in blocks of what looks like ~40 items at once. So then I have to clear out huge chunks of my inventory in order to make space so the stacks can be seeded from my TP purchases.

Clearing 40 items out takes about 4 mins. Complete arbitrary waste of time.

Vashoom.8512:

wtf is this stupid nonsense? is this new? I’m getting it today all the time, why am I getting this? I’ve only posted 3 items today and now I’m banned from posting any more, WHAT are they thinking???!!!

I’m on time out from it right now. 10 items, time out. 10 items, time out.

20 out of 160 done. What would take 3 mins takes 20.

Legal game play punished for no clear reason.

market was on fire last night. lots of transactions going on. Lots of easy money to lube the gears on the TP.

Hell Avenger.7021:

honestly, they need the have that warning somewhere in TP. Seeing so many new people getting burn by this, and I saw even more selling bulk items to take off and relist. I calculated their profit and they were in the red, the guy doing that didn’t even know

I could understand an unobtrusive box of text in the screen saying “5% non refundable listing fee” but it does tell you the projected profit before you submit the item, and that projected profit is a lot lower than the asking price. It’s not clear as day but it’s a strong clue that theres fee’s in motion.

Mystic.5934:

For giggles I recently set up an auto-clicker to click once every second and tried to sell this one item. I set it to go, went to the TV, watched a movie, came back, it was still erroring the same item.

This looks to be the extent of this code, which is mindbogglingly week and disruptive to players who want to post 10+ items at once.

Any bot worth using can be programed to use a RNG timer on the sell button. Bots have all day to list items, I don’t.

Vol.5241:

Dench.5968:

Vol.5241:

Dench.5968:

Saint.4789:

Wow, thank you for that! Yes I forgot that in the real world there is finite,

It’s finite for everyone but central banks or well connected entities.

Vol.5241:

You really need to analyze deeper than looking at prices before blaming it on inflation. Various other things can cause a price increase, such as changes along the demand/supply curve, shocks and speculators. Not to mention, promotions that you have with the gem store.

I could waste the entire weekend collecting endless amounts of evidence in regards to this games inflation.

Why bother? the dev’s already said it’s going on. I don’t need to collect evidence, it’s been said. They said it, and I’ve seen it. I’ve pulled in 350g+ off the market in the past 24 hours and probably 20-35% of that is profit. And that took 30 mins of effort. People have the money to blow on my listings because the game is flooded with cash. That wasn’t the case a while back. I’ve been a heavy trader since NOV, and I’ve never seen people throw money around like they are right now.

Players are going to spend more when they make more, which is going to warp the economy and cause inflation. The more money the less it’s worth.

Yes, inflation is happening but as was said here previously it’s not as rampant as people want to believe.

You don’t seem to understand what inflation is or what causes it.

Farming for an hour and getting 40g worth of materials does not cause inflation
Farming for an hour and getting 40g in pure GOLD does

You pulled off 350g from the TP in the past 24 hours? Cool, but that didn’t actually bring gold into the economy. Gold actually got removed from those transactions.

woah woah woah. you mean to tell me there is a TP tax fee?!?! WHAT! oh man, I had no clue! I also don’t understand what inflation is.

I hereby state publicly that I am far to stupid to continue on this conversation. My goals are the following:
-learn English better
-understand what inflation is
-learn to understand anet saying “yes there is inflation” means something else, depending on what the next persons interpretation of that phrase means.
-understand that money is magically removed from the game via tax on TP

In the future, please talk to me like I am 4 years old. If you could break out MS paint and draw me images describing what you are talking about, all the better.

Oh, and I’m at 378g since I last posted. I don’t have a clue how the market works probably. maybe. I don’t know. I just click around the screen randomly, don’t look at numbers really and the gold just doesn’t stop coming into my account. It’s actually really annoying.

heh

Awesome, glad you get it

but in all seriousness, what you said earlier wasn’t what my point is. I understand that farming and item does not cause inflation, it will lower the value of that item especially if it is something stupid like a weapon or armor, less so if it has a legit use in game in higher volumes.

I 100% agree with you that farming gold in these events is a problem. In my opinion it is THE problem.

I can give a short example. A coworker just started playing this game last month. He has farmed on his own something like 13 gold. he plays 0-2 hours per day, just hit 80 this week and is an inexperienced and casual player (never ran a dungeon, fract, never entered wvw). It took me a LONG time as an active inexperienced player to rack up 13 gold in comparison starting in prelease.

It’s just to easy to get money.

Vol.5241:

Dench.5968:

Saint.4789:

Wow, thank you for that! Yes I forgot that in the real world there is finite,

It’s finite for everyone but central banks or well connected entities.

Vol.5241:

You really need to analyze deeper than looking at prices before blaming it on inflation. Various other things can cause a price increase, such as changes along the demand/supply curve, shocks and speculators. Not to mention, promotions that you have with the gem store.

I could waste the entire weekend collecting endless amounts of evidence in regards to this games inflation.

Why bother? the dev’s already said it’s going on. I don’t need to collect evidence, it’s been said. They said it, and I’ve seen it. I’ve pulled in 350g+ off the market in the past 24 hours and probably 20-35% of that is profit. And that took 30 mins of effort. People have the money to blow on my listings because the game is flooded with cash. That wasn’t the case a while back. I’ve been a heavy trader since NOV, and I’ve never seen people throw money around like they are right now.

Players are going to spend more when they make more, which is going to warp the economy and cause inflation. The more money the less it’s worth.

Yes, inflation is happening but as was said here previously it’s not as rampant as people want to believe.

You don’t seem to understand what inflation is or what causes it.

Farming for an hour and getting 40g worth of materials does not cause inflation
Farming for an hour and getting 40g in pure GOLD does

You pulled off 350g from the TP in the past 24 hours? Cool, but that didn’t actually bring gold into the economy. Gold actually got removed from those transactions.

woah woah woah. you mean to tell me there is a TP tax fee?!?! WHAT! oh man, I had no clue! I also don’t understand what inflation is.

I hereby state publicly that I am far to stupid to continue on this conversation. My goals are the following:
-learn English better
-understand what inflation is
-learn to understand anet saying “yes there is inflation” means something else, depending on what the next persons interpretation of that phrase means.
-understand that money is magically removed from the game via tax on TP

In the future, please talk to me like I am 4 years old. If you could break out MS paint and draw me images describing what you are talking about, all the better.

Oh, and I’m at 378g since I last posted. I don’t have a clue how the market works probably. maybe. I don’t know. I just click around the screen randomly, don’t look at numbers really and the gold just doesn’t stop coming into my account. It’s actually really annoying.

heh

Saint.4789:

Wow, thank you for that! Yes I forgot that in the real world there is finite,

It’s finite for everyone but central banks or well connected entities.

Vol.5241:

You really need to analyze deeper than looking at prices before blaming it on inflation. Various other things can cause a price increase, such as changes along the demand/supply curve, shocks and speculators. Not to mention, promotions that you have with the gem store.

I could waste the entire weekend collecting endless amounts of evidence in regards to this games inflation.

Why bother? the dev’s already said it’s going on. I don’t need to collect evidence, it’s been said. They said it, and I’ve seen it. I’ve pulled in 350g+ off the market in the past 24 hours and probably 20-35% of that is profit. And that took 30 mins of effort. People have the money to blow on my listings because the game is flooded with cash. That wasn’t the case a while back. I’ve been a heavy trader since NOV, and I’ve never seen people throw money around like they are right now.

Players are going to spend more when they make more, which is going to warp the economy and cause inflation. The more money the less it’s worth.

It went up due to the gem to gold conversion rate.

Phoebe Ascension.8437:

When does this bug/feature exactly kick in? I haven’t had it lately but sold my stuff pretty fast. But i remember times i sold 50 TP things in a row and i got the bug and only restarting game, fixed the bug. Even a whole day, and it wasn’t fixed before i relogged. So what makes it trigger? I don’t want to see this bug anymore.

it kicks in after you post somewhere between 8 or 10 items very fast on the market, as in, one after the other with no pause. I’m actually alt tabbed out right now – because I’m on time out via this feature as we speak.

The harder you push it (as it keep trying to force bids when it errors), the more it fights back.

Behellagh.1468:

Layoff the Redbull, stop trying to maximize your gold/hr and you don’t encounter this.

So i should alter my legal game play choices to avoid a malfunctioning, easy to by pass anti bot program?

Listing lots of items on the trade market isn’t against the rules. People shouldn’t be hindered from doing so.

Broadicea.8294:

Essence Snow.3194:

I stopped bothering to listen to him a while back as there is nothing of worth to gather from the words he is permitted to say to us. Kinda like the words of a fortune being meaningless as they are so generalized that they may apply to anything.

Yup, precisely. John is barely allowed to tell us anything and when he does it’s so vague and cryptic that it’s essentially worthless.

I can think of absolutely no reason why the player base shouldn’t be permitted access to basic information about the economy. His remark about the median returns from gauntlet farming is a perfect example. The median alone tells us almost nothing. What was the mean? What about gold earned by the top quintiles or deciles and the population statistics to match?

That was my problem with his old posts. He gave some information out that was so vague it could mean a lot of things from completely different sides of the problem. It was so vague that it was borderline meaningless.

I can understand that he can’t give out specifics because people will use that to their advantage come time to implement change, but as I said earlier his statements were very Baghdad Bobish, i.e. “No American tanks here!” as they roll in the background instead it was (not a quote from him) “No significant problem here!” as large parts of the games market are in ridiculous situations.

Inflation is happening. All you have to do to see that is look at the gem price and other common commodities and compare that to the games 1st quarter.

-Iron ore was a flat ~10c per unit almost since launch up until late spring. Its over 60c right now and it was slammed up to 82c during these new farming events.
-Gold ore was around ~23c right up until late spring, went insane in June, got 100% of control with these events at 1.kitten at the top.
-Platinum ore was a super low and very flat ~11c since release up until late spring and commited suicide during these events maxing out at 1.kitten during these events.
-Gem prices have steadily risen since release but in a stepped pattern that looks like it gets a bump around each main event. The thing is, it doesnt return back to the pre event price level. It just keeps going up and up and as a result the value of gold goes down and down.

Makes sense. Gold is worth less as the game ages and commonly used commodities like basic ores go up with it, although with some lag in time depending on the severity of the impact of the event. The previous Halloween, Xmas and early spring ones were not so damaging. These farming extravaganza summer ones have been.

bugged post notes
~the “1.kitten” price is bugged and I can’t get it to show the correct price for platinum there. the max price for platinum ore was one point forty six silver.
~Max gold ore price was one point forty three silver

John Smith.4610:

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/bltc/Economy-concerns/page/3#post2642294

John, respectfully, that is the type of post we are talking about. It doesn’t mean much. It’s a post. It’s in English. Thats about as far as it goes in terms of precise explanations of it.

ilr.9675:

What are you talking about?
… Smith’s got a 1 word “Yes” post where he specifically admitted that they had too much of an open valve on currency flow..

I quoted the quote I was talking about. I was not talking about the one worded post.

John Smith.4610:

Overall yes we know there’s a change in short run income for players, though it’s not as severe as speculated. No, we aren’t surprised. Yes, there are plans in place to make sure the economy doesn’t experience permanent, hyper-inflation.

As far as the median numbers go, remember that how much information I can give out on the forums is often very limited. I do my best to give you a picture that you can work with. I described exactly how to take the one number I gave out and create an accurate model of what’s happening. The uncertainty in your model is unfortunately unavoidable (but can be minimized) as I can’t always post the full picture of everything that’s happening.

Thanks a bunch for the reply.

There was a post a few weeks ago, very “Baghdad” Bobish from a staffer saying that inflation wasnt going on. Well, it looks like it is and it looks like it has flipped several main markets in the game upside down. Mid July was a major hit followed by later on in this month.

The farming has gotten a little over the top. What are we on now, about a month straight of farming events? We had the arena in DR and now the random ones out in the world? People are collecting a LOT more money that usual and it is effecting the economy.

John Smith from Anet said “…in the last week, the median player earned less than 3 gold in the new content (that’s discounting all players who earned less than 1 gold).”

But what does that mean? A lot of players don’t make 3 gold in weeks of normal game play. This could be a huge increase percentage wise for median player wealth, which is going to lower then value of money as demand for items will rise due to extra cash in the system that was earned with low effort.

people are going to spend easy cash recklessly as opposed to cash that took more effort to earn.

I wish we could hear more about this from John. I do have some concerns that the game is getting bloated. The gem price and cost of mini’s (original) right now is wild.

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/bltc/Economy-concerns/page/2

I don’t understand the premise of this feature. All a person does is have to program the bot to post items slower and click around to bypass it. A bot doesn’t care if it takes hours to post items because no one is sitting there like a dummy.

This system is way to sensitive and continuously interferes with my trading every single day. I am completely sick of it and I doubt that it actually prevents bots from listing items on the market.

I have a 160 items sitting on my toon right now waiting to go out on the market tonight. That means I’ll have youtube on one screen watching something and GW2 on the other while I take FOREVER to list these items.

Thanks to the people in this thread that brought this back up. I made a thread about it a month or so ago and it went unanswered. I found that running BOTH GW2 and the trade post program as admins will restore the service. If you only set the trakitten rocess as admin and not the game it will not allow the market to function.

Thanks a ton!

gimmethegepgun.1284:

Dench.5968:

The players create the price based off supply and demand.

So you’re basing your price on supply and demand when you list something 0.0005% lower than the current offer?

I don’t control the supply and demand base price. I base my price on a few things. The 1st thing is profit. If I can’t net a profit I will list at a price that will, even if it is higher than the current price. Occasionally if the buy now price is super high (say 4 times higher than the bid price) I will be very careful about putting large stacks on the market. In cases like this someone has either accidentally bought a massive amount of items via a bid mistake (for instance a person bidding on 250 items and putting in 80s5c instead of 8s5c which will clear out a lot of items and waste a lot of money for the person making that mistake), or a person or group of people have found a use for that item and bought out all of them at their normal price – either way, its a volatile price point and generally not worth throwing up large stacks since you have a high risk of a person coming in and listing at a significantly lower “more realistic” (supply and demand rate) price.

The only reason I undercut by 1c is to sell my stack faster than the stack currently listed. When I throw up a stack of crap that sits all day I am not making money. I want my items to sell ASAP so I can reinvest that money and keep flipping.

The supply and demand price is not static. It floats around all week and can even change as much as 30%-40% around new patches or weekends for popular items. People who undercut each other are apart of the process that determines the supply and demand price throughout the week.

I used to let items sit for a while and I also used to match peoples prices and not undercut. Money is made significantly slower by doing that.

So are these dyes back or not?

without a doubt it’s time to update the GUI on the trade market. My wife was just saying this a few days ago herself.

It’s one of the more basic and least polished parts in the game that is otherwise very nice.

I undercut like a champ. 1c each undercut. The item could be worth 2 silver, or 20 gold, and it gets up at 1c lower than the next guy. Why? because I want to make money, and I want to make it now. I don’t care about the guy above me. I don’t really care about the people who undercut me either.

It’s a market place. Not a Soviet era state supplied warehouse. The players create the price based off supply and demand.

I always get a kick out of these threads. They always boil down to “I am not making money the way I want to, ergo I demand regulation/tools to benefit me.” Or better yet “I am not making money at the price I think is ok, ergo I demand price fixing.” Seriously.

You people are lucky that players can’t view who is listing what. You could in SWTOR, and I was able to price fix with my competitors on some items. I made a ton of credits (millions) and we porked the player base with artificially inflated prices. Not ideal for the player base, very ideal for the few who benefit from set price fixing.

The free market will figure prices out. It does every day in the trade post.

I’m looking for a ranged weapon to use. I have a Jugg for my main weapon, but I want something that is ranged. The 2 choices are Longbow or Rifle?

Rifle is what I’ve been using, I dont mind it but I wanted to know what people think of rifle vs longbow.

sorudo.9054:

after a bit of leveling on my new character i found out that the TP is full of scammers, to give you an example:
i searched for a helmet lvl 10 (can’t get it lower anyway) and found one in the TP for 1S 9C, then i checked the merchant and found out i can get the exact same helmet for 80C.

what i would suggest in this situation is that the TP keeps track of merchant prices so it can’t go higher then the merchant sells, it will make scamming players a bit more difficult.
now i am smart enough to check the merchant price but some are not, they get scammed all the time because of this.
a more alarming scam are the trait books, the adept one is sold cheaper so that’s ok but the higher ones are sold more expensive.
they should put a stop to that, it gives the TP a bad reputation and i don’t thin you want to see that happening.

Sorudo, come on.

The trading post is all about supply and demand. You’re not force, under any circumstances, to buy what is listed on the market. if you don’t like the price of buy now, put a bid out. If you don’t like the bid price, to bad – demand is to great for your to afford.

The trading post forces no one to buy anything, and using it is 100% voluntary.

It’s a free market. We don’t want, need or dream of any more regulation. The “can’t sell below vendor” rule is already annoying enough.

There are 3 types of people on the trade market:
-People who want to make money and know how to
-People who want to make money and continuously lose money
-People who don’t care and just throw items up as fast as they can click

The mini market is an easy to give example of sorta decent profit with slowish turn over. The mini market is also very volitile, due to people buying less mini’s. The price of mini’s can double or triple in a day and then come the weekend go back to a semi normal place as supply kicks up from the weekend warriors.

There was this mini that usualy bids for about 40 silver. sell at say 55-50s. So thats not to bad of a profit for an easy to flip item if your into low volume predicatble sales. Last week, this mini was 1.8 gold, WAY over what it usually is. I happaned to just buy 3 for the 40ish silve price. Throw them up at 1.79g and boom money is coming in.

Then come the people who want to make money but don’t know how to. Don’t get me wrong, I undercut like a champ. But it’s ALWAYS buy 1 copper. The buy now price went from 1.79g to about 1g in the course of an hour due to people undercutting each other by 10 silver. Yep. 10 silver each undercut. Not 1 copper, lets try 1,000 more of an undercut. Entertainingly, while people were busying undercutting each other my massive amounts, the bid price jumped up (which is expected). The bid price and the buy now price clashed in under 90 mins, collapsing that little money machine almost as soon as it was born.

The problem with the mini market is everyone knows about it. Sure, the profit is low and the turn over is slow, but it’s easy. I usually throw about 5g into mini’s a day, maybe get back about 1g in profit on a fast/good one, but I only do this after I am done putting on my buy low bids for the real money makers (for instance, after I put my bids out (takes about 30-60 mins depending on what items) I go back to trader and pick up gold from misc sold items and then throw that gold into random stuff so I’m not sitting on money while i’m not in game.

Let’s not forget our true friends – the people who list items on the market for 1 copper over the bid price. Thank you, thank you very much. I love buying your stacks of expensive to craft items at 1c over bid, and re listing them for 1.5s+ in straight immediate profit for each unit. I really do love that. I wonder what these people would do if they knew that had they only listed for a smart price and waited 12 hours, they would of pulled in like 5g more.

I am having 2 problems with the trade market.

The 1st one is the “Sold” tab has been broken for months. I typically do high volume sales on the trade market, and I suspect that i had so many sold items on it that the menu has broken. Is there a workaround to this? I would like to see at least the last few hundred or so stacks of items that have sold. Haven’t been able to do so since DEC/JAN.

The 2nd problem i just noticed today, and I don’t know how long it’s been going on for. I will place a full 250 item stack for sale and it will only show a portion of that stack listed for sale (with the entire 250 items being removed from my inventory). Item #1 was a full stack that is showing ~111 for sale (immediately after listing) and the 2nd full stack listed shortly after was shown also around ~105 in the stack, with the entire 250 items being removed from my inventory. Probably about 4-6 gold worth of missing items total, I hope this is a GUI bug and they are not gone.

Vol.5241:

Dench.5968:

Vol.5241:

Dench.5968:

I want to comment on the post above mine. I PMed that poster asking what he meant but it went unanswered.

He implies that you can just buy your way to a legendary short of karma, skill points, and map completion. I don’t think this is true. You can’t buy the WVWVW badges, the dungeon badges and some other types of needed items for the legendary.

Can someone clarify this?

You can buy everything except the account/soulbound stuff, so yes, that’s what he is implying.

Not that it’s hard to get dungeon tokens or WvW badges. It’s considerably harder to get karma and SP.

I have plenty of karma and SP, I just don’t have any of the tokens, badges, etc. Oh well.

If you’re like me and want multiple legendaries, having to collect the karma and SP is pretty difficult once you spend it. Especially with the farming nerfs it’s hard to get them.

I could only imagine how much work it takes for multiple legendaries.

Vol.5241:

Dench.5968:

I want to comment on the post above mine. I PMed that poster asking what he meant but it went unanswered.

He implies that you can just buy your way to a legendary short of karma, skill points, and map completion. I don’t think this is true. You can’t buy the WVWVW badges, the dungeon badges and some other types of needed items for the legendary.

Can someone clarify this?

You can buy everything except the account/soulbound stuff, so yes, that’s what he is implying.

Not that it’s hard to get dungeon tokens or WvW badges. It’s considerably harder to get karma and SP.

I have plenty of karma and SP, I just don’t have any of the tokens, badges, etc. Oh well.

I want to comment on the post above mine. I PMed that poster asking what he meant but it went unanswered.

He implies that you can just buy your way to a legendary short of karma, skill points, and map completion. I don’t think this is true. You can’t buy the WVWVW badges, the dungeon badges and some other types of needed items for the legendary.

Can someone clarify this?