Guild Wars 2

So, I guess the only question left to ask is….

Is there anyone else out there with a sexy spanish accent that can make their own version of GvG Showdown, and give guilds the recognition they deserve?

AndrewSX.3794:

Where is that screen there is confirmation that those are Anet devs?

Unless you know them name by name, but they never had trips on EU so have no idea.

I have an entire video of us doing the dungeon with them while they’re wearing their Anet logos. Will probably upload it for “lulz” when I stop being lazy.

Until then, you’ll just have to trust me that they were devs.

Really excited to see this matchup as well. I know both guilds have some really solid players, and they’ll appreciate the challenge one another pose.

Here’s the footage! Enjoy!

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[TW] vs [EP] footage

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(Sorry, only melee POV for round 2 and it’s Camera Shake QQ)

Ogre.1750:

OMG EP coup? they took it just like that? are you kidding me?

These guys are out of control ºoº

The week isn’t done yet. All I’m going to say.

Very disappointing display on IRON’s part watching from the spectator hill while I’m having IRON peripheries run by and around me. I really hope there aren’t many guilds that consider this kind of behavior “fair play” in a GvG. You should be trying to lose counters in the frontline/fray, not the hills, ramps, and trees. Your workers are your wall, not the spectators.

For the 15v15 Official: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1KjNmilV1wA

For the 20v20 Unofficial: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ko9CEr3FgUA

Enjoy

Please accept, Dev Team. I want to see this more than [Scnd] vs [VII].

Editing the footage as I type this. Will have it uploaded asap.

Wompage.4586:

EP to EU this reset before orbageddon hits?

We really need to conquer NA before we consider an EU tour or the GvG League. Transferring so abruptly is next-to-impossible and organizing GvGs with EU guilds with people having jobs and school during your prime would be difficult as well.

We do appreciate the interest some of you have shown, however.

Jinks.2057:

Wompage.4586:

EP to EU this reset before orbageddon hits?

You 15v15?

We’ll be moving up to 20’s very soon, actually. We had a 20v20 scrim with Agg after our official match, and we really enjoyed it. We’ve been thinking about potential compositions for 20s for a while, and when we get more practice in the near future with it you’ll be seeing us climbing the 20v20 ladder on the new gw2gvg website after it releases. Look forward to that

Holy kitten. Thanks for bringing the heat, Aggression. That was a lot of fun playing tag with periphery and frontline. You’re it! <3

Final Score:
7-0 15v15 Official
4-1 20v20 Scrimmage

Both in our favor

[Agg] v. [EP] happening right now, 11 PM EST.

Streaming @ twitch.tv/masonofequinox

Feel free to come watch the stream instead of spectating. Want to avoid lag as much as possible.

7 rounds, 15v15

Happening right now, 11 PM EST.

Streaming @ twitch.tv/masonofequinox

Feel free to come watch.

7 rounds, 15v15

Please? I don’t know why this isn’t a thing yet with Power mainstat and vitality/critdamage offstats.

Is there any intention of implementing this in the near future?

I understand that I can get this on my weapons, but I’d really rather see valk trinkets.

sorudo.9054:

they already talked about player housing.
http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Upcoming_changes_and_features

A year ago.

I wouldn’t count this week out just yet. Tarnished Coast and Maguuma are matched up yet again, which gives two guilds the opportunity to clash for a third time.

MartyPartys.9187:

To give an example how the new formula affects the ladder: on the old website EP is place 14th after beating Agg with 7-0, while using the new formula they are actually in the top 3.

Wow, really? Despite our win-loss ratio. That’s amazing. Now, I’m really excited to see where our future matches land us in the ratings when the new website releases.

Teel.9036:

I don’t think this move was very thought through, either they are trying to smother our voices like Caliban said, or they thought GvG is “off topic” for WvW forums, an opinion I would vehemently contest. Because GvG is but one aspect of WvW, just like another aspect is solo-roaming in WvW.

I can’t say what their intent was, but I think this is far more beneficial to us than it is detrimental. I will actually admit that GvG is separate from WvW, or at least it should be. WvW and GvG are only connected because it is the only game mode that currently supports what we’re trying to do, and it is the guilds and players that are making this possible. We’re making these matches and competitions out of something that was never intended to support it, and GvG should eventually be separated from WvW and given its own spotlight.

Besides…

Even if they’re trying to smother us, it’s obvious that they are no longer able to ignore us. Otherwise, they would not have seen necessary to move our entire voice to a different, relatively dead, section of the forums. That’s all that can be gathered from this so far without any comments about their intentions. If nothing else, throwing us into this forum section will allow them to better track the progression of this scene as it continues to grow and flourish, and maybe then they will believe us when we say that this has a lot of potential; maybe even more than other areas of the game they’re trying to focus on.

I’m pretty happy about this move, to be perfectly honest. Maybe we don’t have our own GvG section, but I can’t fault them for that since this is literally player-created and player-driven content.

(Don’t misunderstand that I think they should consider the impact of Orb Buffs returning with the GvG scene existing in WvW, and when I say WvW is separate from GvG, I’m not talking from a mechanical standpoint since all WvW mechanic changes have the potential to affect GvGs at current.)

Jayne.9251:

I happen to be a (currently) out of work journalist with some time on my hands at the moment, lol. If Marty wants to set up a little news section on the GvG site, I’d be happy to conduct the interviews and do some write ups.

That’s a pretty neat idea. Getting interviews with the raid leader, individuals from the GvG, or the person who recorded the match about key matchups or just in general and making that public would be pretty interesting to watch, or listen to.

I’d be all for seeing something like this.

Insane Pancakez.9182:

Well, I had a kitten good time tonight with my guild [INC] and the CD community.

Btw EP, the other night I posted about you guys always running 30+ of your own members and with a zerg, well ignore that haha. I was just heated at my own guild at the time thinking about all of our inactives, but tonight we did a lot more focus and training.

TC you put up a kitten tough fight on our keep in EBG. I think it took us like 1-2 hours to get it back! I know one time EP came out and stomped us hardcore.

I’m running a lot of new guildies, and I actually like it when you guys come near as I try to teach them about skill groups and things, and you guys are very coordinated and hopefully I can get all my new players (about 60% of our guild atm) that good one day!

We appreciate it. We had a lot of fun tonight running ~20 and not attracting as many green names as usual. We’re not big fans of exceeding 30 people. I personally feel like anything above 30 starts to feel very blobby. I promise we try to keep as low of a profile as we can to get fights like the ones we experienced today, and we look forward to running into you again.

Good luck with training your guildies. o7

It’s Public now. Enjoy!

Istaf.1953:

Equinox.4195:

At least you’re not 50-70 with a majority of your group running Minion Master builds.
Looking forward to fighting you as well.

Oh god #Magswag

LOL You know my pain, then. I thought we almost had them at one point on the bridge inside of Bay, but I think our raid leader freezing up and rubberbanding back into the middle of the bridge(though he didn’t die), among other things, cost us that fight. Alas, it was not meant to be, and we could not slay the minionzerg.

Drigan.7382:

Not ragging on EP or anything cause I heard you guys run tagless now and we haven’t fought you in a hot minute, but a guild group of 35 isn’t exactly low numbers lol that’s probly not going to impress many people when you talk about “fighting FA blobs”. In any event I look forward to fighting you.

Nah, I didn’t think you were, and I’m not trying to brag, but we have a fairly large turnout on raid nights, plus we can have anywhere from 5-10 friends from other guilds on us while we’re running around. We would agree that anything 30+ is blobby, but when we compare 35 to 50-70, we feel a lot less like a blob. At least you’re not 50-70 with a majority of your group running Minion Master builds. Regardless, we relish any opportunity to fight outnumbered.

Looking forward to fighting you as well.

Furiousbeard.7602:

Everybody better get used to this match in a hurry. It will only go one way. TC will win ppt this week due to high coverage, and CD will get hit for point grabs by both FA and TC.

TC, I just want to let you know, it’s ok to leave the safety of your blobs and roam a bit more.

This isn’t T1, you’re safe here

I don’t know about the rest of the borderlands, but CDBL was a 35-man EP group fighting the FA server blob while the other 2 guild groups did their own thing. We just figured you guys learned it from JQ. Still really fun, though. Lots of practice and loot. Keep it coming, I say.

Besides, reset night is usually a blob for every server, so it’s hardly fitting to complain yet from any side. Especially after I saw the force Novus had mustered at 2:30 AM EST. That was pretty insane.

ParaldaWind.4523:

saiyr.3071:

So uh, is it bad that I never noticed individual match views could display group comps? That’s pretty cool. Not that anyone uses it, I guess.

I think I used it once. Maybe.

EDIT: Yep.

http://www.gw2gvg.com/match.php?id=438

No wonder you won….It was 15v0. I call shenanigans.

Excalibur.9748:

God-Tier:
Guardian/Warrior
They are the backbone of any group. Need to have lots of these guys for front line.
You’d want to have 70-80% of the group filled by these guys.

Good-Tier:
Necromancer/Mesmer/Elementalist:
Support classes. Good for supporting the front line so they can really do some damage.
Have 20-30% of these guys. Not too much though, since they’re there for support.

Okay-Tier:
Thief/Ranger/Engineer
Thief is good for trolling and spying not much else. Ranger is good for sPvP.
Don’t really need any of these. Maybe 1 thief to cause confusion.

Elementalists are the true backbone, actually. That’s your frontline sustain, prime stability checkers, and a good source of nuking.
Guardians are next because they are the frontline support. With AoE stability, boon stacking, and condi conversion, they’re indispensible.
Warrior is next because it gives your frontline some extra oomph. Earthshakers and Flurries are great for catching people and picking them off.
Necromancers are your one-stop shop for AoE bombs, condi strips, and AoE blind/chill spam. Your necro is the counter to frontline, the heavy pressure, and you should never go anywhere without a few good ones in a guild group.
Mesmer has your veils, your portals, your timewarps, your nullfields. The indispensable support class that makes the difference between a good engagement and a bad one.
Thief is your backline counter. With more escapes and damage avoidance coupled with high single-target burst, have a couple or a few thieves floating around in the shadows will earn you as much of a victory as a well-placed Earthshaker or AoE focusfire.
Engineer has a limited position, but whether you’re bomb kit, elixir gun, grenade kit, tool kit, supply drop, or blasting water fields, you have anything and everything at your disposal. Having a talented jack-of-all-trades player can help more than many would realize.
Sorry, rangers. Every class can do everything better than you.

Running 70-80% frontline is like asking to be roflstomp’d by better, more balanced groups. I would never exceed 50% of your group being frontline.

Lablamb.2419:

Equinox.4195:

Lablamb.2419:

Hickeroar.9734:

Condition necros are “meh.”

You said exactly what I said. Well Necromancers basically jump around and throw up a bunch of AoE. There is not a lot of skill or timing.

I beg to differ.

“Their conditions get removed almost instantly. The only way a Necromancer can do well with conditions is a Corruption build and just waiting for a target who has a lot of conditions and spreading them using Epidemic.”

Boom!

>Implying the only viable Necromancer setup is condition damage?
Only terrible necromancers use condition damage instead of power in WvW.

Lablamb.2419:

Hickeroar.9734:

Condition necros are “meh.”

You said exactly what I said. Well Necromancers basically jump around and throw up a bunch of AoE. There is not a lot of skill or timing.

I beg to differ.

Jinks.2057:

XingWongBochChoi.9854:

Jinks.2057:

So uhh how did Agg lose to EP?

EP were far too cute! So Agg died because of how adorable they all were. Nawwwsies

Sex sells…….it also wins GvG :O

I can confirm this.

Odinzu.9645:

Equinox.4195:

DevonCarver.5370:

Equinox.4195:

So, in regards to GvG and openfield, I don’t see a lot of “rampant speculation” going on. If nothing else, you chose your words poorly. The complaints about this new system potentially killing the GvG scene is entirely grounded.

This forum and this topic in particular are about WvW. WvW is about sieging and controlling objectives and about open field combat. All our changes are with that totality in mind and will continue to be.

Then I will encourage you to reconsider your focus in regards to WvW because the only thing that has kept it alive for a majority of guilds, despite anything and everything you do to ruin the mechanics, is the attempts by guilds and their members to organize open-field combat and GvG.

If you’re honestly trying to look at what you could do to keep players hooked and interested in your game, you need to start realizing the potential that Guild vs. Guild has, and stop worrying about your silly siege mastery additions and wxp.

WvW isn’t about the karma train and PvE experience anymore. A lot of us are PvPers. We want to fight against heavy odds, and test our mettle in a fair, organized fight. We don’t all look at the map and think of how we can utilize siege for effective objective capture, we’re looking at how we can use the terrain to our advantage in a combat situation.

The level of neglect for the guild system has been vast since launch, and now you’ve suggested to me that you want to continue to encourage karma training, and not open-field combat and GvG, where you can actually shine as a guild and become recognized.

There are other games releasing, and you still have the opportunity to drive your playerbase away.

Don’t read this comment as me trying to complain at you. Criticize? Maybe, but mostly I’m trying to warn you. Maybe Open-field combat and GvG wasn’t your intention for what WvW would become, but that’s how the scene has evolved, and I’m being honest when I tell you that you should try to evolve with it, or provide us with another medium; an actual GvG arena.

However, I highly doubt we will see any kind of GvG format within the next two years, since you can’t even bother to fix how the Guild Message of the Day is edited, which is why I’m encouraging you to consider how your WvW changes will impact this level of play.

If you really don’t believe me about WvW guilds and GvG/Open-field combat. I’m on the Tarnished Coast server, the Unofficial RP server and a heavy PvE server. Our WvW guilds are very fight-centric. Even all of our PUG Lords love open-field. Guilds such as EP, TSL, RE, ZN, CERN, and KH all GvG, and all of these guilds and others are more interested in finding fights on maps than actually taking objectives.

…and its not like WvW guilds who GvG in a GvG system will be in GvG matches 24/7. They need places to practice blob busting- and WvW can satisfy that even with the GvG system implemented.

If you want to create an E-Sport- this is how it starts. With crews from all over the world, from the few pioneers to the now 80+ active crews.

100% agree.

Aphs.9528:

Halo.8976:

I’m proud to be on a server where Agg’s pride died.

I thought AGG just went to SOS not long ago ?

They transfer a lot.

DevonCarver.5370:

Equinox.4195:

So, in regards to GvG and openfield, I don’t see a lot of “rampant speculation” going on. If nothing else, you chose your words poorly. The complaints about this new system potentially killing the GvG scene is entirely grounded.

This forum and this topic in particular are about WvW. WvW is about sieging and controlling objectives and about open field combat. All our changes are with that totality in mind and will continue to be.

Then I will encourage you to reconsider your focus in regards to WvW because the only thing that has kept it alive for a majority of guilds, despite anything and everything you do to ruin the mechanics, is the attempts by guilds and their members to organize open-field combat and GvG.

If you’re honestly trying to look at what you could do to keep players hooked and interested in your game, you need to start realizing the potential that Guild vs. Guild has, and stop worrying about your silly siege mastery additions and wxp.

WvW isn’t about the karma train and PvE experience anymore. A lot of us are PvPers. We want to fight against heavy odds, and test our mettle in a fair, organized fight. We don’t all look at the map and think of how we can utilize siege for effective objective capture, we’re looking at how we can use the terrain to our advantage in a combat situation.

The level of neglect for the guild system has been vast since launch, and now you’ve suggested to me that you want to continue to encourage karma training, and not open-field combat and GvG, where you can actually shine as a guild and become recognized.

There are other games releasing, and you still have the opportunity to drive your playerbase away.

Don’t read this comment as me trying to complain at you. Criticize? Maybe, but mostly I’m trying to warn you. Maybe Open-field combat and GvG wasn’t your intention for what WvW would become, but that’s how the scene has evolved, and I’m being honest when I tell you that you should try to evolve with it, or provide us with another medium; an actual GvG arena.

However, I highly doubt we will see any kind of GvG format within the next two years, since you can’t even bother to fix how the Guild Message of the Day is edited, which is why I’m encouraging you to consider how your WvW changes will impact this level of play.

If you really don’t believe me about WvW guilds and GvG/Open-field combat. I’m on the Tarnished Coast server, the Unofficial RP server and a heavy PvE server. Our WvW guilds are very fight-centric. Even all of our PUG Lords love open-field. Guilds such as EP, TSL, RE, ZN, CERN, and KH all GvG, and all of these guilds and others are more interested in finding fights on maps than actually taking objectives.

Wompage.4586:

EP, EU tour now?

I’d personally relish the opportunity to go toe-to-toe with the EU scene, and learn everything we can from the no-doubt epic fights we’d find there.

Comprissent.3856:

Equinox.4195:

For those of you interested in seeing the [Agg] v. [EP] GvG.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pFNClvV5UR8

Enjoy.

From my POV, EPs backline went completely un pressured all 7 matches.
Very good use of death shroud. What’s the axe for anyways?

GvG us and I’ll show you

Halo.8976:

Somebody needs l2render.

It just uploaded and had to finish processing. Try reloading the webpage and selecting 1080p quality.

For those of you interested in seeing the [Agg] v. [EP] GvG.

Enjoy.

virtue.7235:

Equinox.4195:

PredatoR.5247:

[Agg]ression is challenging all Tarnished Coast guilds to GvG starting Saturday.

We’d like to fight all of the guilds on TC interested in GvG, especially [RE] Rethesis.

Looking forward to the rematch between EP and Agg. We can show you what we’ve learned.

looking forward to it. that gvg was the first one i had as a part of Aggression

Yeah, you’re the D/D ele that recorded the video of you completely stomping us. We’ll provide you with a more adequate challenge this time, I assure you.

PredatoR.5247:

[Agg]ression is challenging all Tarnished Coast guilds to GvG starting Saturday.

We’d like to fight all of the guilds on TC interested in GvG, especially [RE] Rethesis.

Looking forward to the rematch between EP and Agg. We can show you what we’ve learned.

1 EP Necro just wiped ~15 Mag N of NW Tower in Mag BL? Step up your game, guys. C’mon.

DevonCarver.5370:

SomeoneElse.3685:

I really wish a developer would say something on this post so we knew that we aren’t just talking to thin air

You aren’t talking to thin air. However, keep in mind that the more you all speculate about something with essentially 0 information, the less inclined we are to constantly pop in and correct you. We will release more info about the changes coming when we are ready to do so. I’m teasing some stuff and trying to be clear about some things, but I can’t tell you all everything for a variety of reasons. Suffice to say, rampant speculation is very unlikely to see many, if any, dev responses.

DevonCarver.5370:

Are the orbs coming back? No. Are we bringing back the buff? Yes – snip

You say here that you are bringing back the buff. The use of the definitive article “the” would imply that a specific buff would be brought back to the game; one that previously existed, but was removed. In context, that would obviously mean the Orb of Power buff. We all know that buff to give servers holding the individual buffs a 5% increase in damage and +50 to all stats for each stack of the buff.

Where is the “rampant speculation” coming from, exactly? I think it’s very obvious you want to bring back stat discrepancies.

DevonCarver.5370:

Here’s the thing to remember, it may buff the better servers for a time, but if it is relatively easy to take from a better server, it isn’t going to cause nearly the same problems that the original buff did. I will say that when this goes back into the game, we’ll continue to monitor the effects and make changes as necessary.

I believe this statement entirely, as do possibly most people, but maybe you missed what we were actually trying to say.

I have no doubt that reclaiming the buff will not require invading a tier 3 keep, but rather something much more accessible.
I have no doubt that the level of hacking and exploiting of the new system will not nearly be what it was when the Orbs of Power were in play.
I have no doubt that you will monitor the effects and make changes as necessary.

All that said, I don’t care about any of that.

What matters to me? The fact that this will kill GvG and open-field combat, which have taken the stage on most WvW servers. Maybe it won’t kill roaming groups, since this could be another part of roaming, which is like the intention, but the GvG scene will be dead, and open-field will forever feel uncompetitive.
Like it or not, not many guilds care about PPT anymore. You can’t brag about having the best PPT play. You can, however, prove yourself in open-field and GvG.
(Well, you can brag about PPT play, but you can’t back it up and usually just make a fool out of yourself)

So, in regards to GvG and openfield, I don’t see a lot of “rampant speculation” going on. If nothing else, you chose your words poorly. The complaints about this new system potentially killing the GvG scene is entirely grounded.

Naytron.7831:

Night Shift [NS] crew was a little disappointed that [PYRO] and [DERP] couldn’t GvG us tonight. We were also looking forward to it since it’s the last day of the week where we can set up GvGs! However, the next time we come across Maguuma again, we hope you guys would be ready by then. (:

That blows! [EP] had a flake as well. We could’ve fought each other again.

Sovereign.1093:

^ he’s only kidding.

That fight at JQ BL north east camp was FANTASTIC!!!!

I’m 100% serious. We only pushed Valley Keep because that Upleveled Assaulter escaped inside the keep and we wanted him dead. The only logical solution was to manmode the gate down and take his life.

You should have stopped and let us kill you in the ruins, Fort Aspenwood Assaulter Guardian from [BURN]. Your insubordination led us to PvDoor your server’s keep in Eternal Battlegrounds and take it. Just remember that the next time we chase you down. You brought this upon your whole server.

Can anyone with photo/video evidence of the occurrence at Valley Keep from last night please PM me with the evidence? That would be greatly appreciated.

Before anybody says anything, we on Tarnished Coast sincerely apologize for capping Valley Keep in the way we did. Those of us who were commanding and strictly following the commander were yelling in team chat for people to get out of the Lord Room.

A glitch was causing people to be repositioned through the gate. Some of us, including myself, immediately jumped back out, but some people stayed and a mesmer portaled people inside the Lord Room for the final capture.

Again, we sincerely apologize for the capture, but rest assured that the map commander, and many of us who were there did not, and do not, approve of what happened.

I’m pretty happy about it too. However, I really hope they fix Death Nova. I’m hoping it’s some kind of bug, but it’kittenting for way too much damage at the moment. Somewhere around 2k+. It’s making Minion Master builds harder to counter because you’re heavily punished whether or not you kill the Necromancer’s minions. The counter is supposed to be that you have enough AoE damage to spike the minions down and ruin the Necro’s setup, but instead you just kill yourself. Bone Minions spike so hard and you don’t even need Berserker gear. You can use Soldier’s. You’ll hit for something like 4-5k on one Putrid Explosion.

This could very easily become overpowered. To have it even as a major trait in the Blood Magic line, and if they did end up making all the lifesiphoning scale with healing power, you could potentially build a virtually indestructible Apothecary’s Necromancer since your sustain is being bolstered by both your condition damage and healing power.

I disagree with this entirely.

Is this discussion invisible for anyone else?

EDIT: I think replying may have fixed the problem.

I don’t mind the dagger 2 where it’s at currently. Honestly, I think it would be best to give Necromancer another weapon option; something melee with cleaving. Biggest reason I don’t play my necro as much in WvW now that my Warrior is level 80 and geared, I can’t cleave. If my necro could cleave with a Scythe or Hammer, I would never touch another class again. Hands down.