Kills warrior (not by much tho), necro, scrapper, druid and ele (can’t die, but can kill ele)
Dies to thief and mesmer
Dh is a pretty equal matchup.
All assuming meta builds.
The game’s 1v1 matchups are rock paper scissors, this doesn’t work.
No it’s mostly skill based even against hardcounters. I’ve seen hardcounters lose too many times spectating duels to say skill has nothing to do in 1v1s.
After getting champion ritualist in season 3 and 4 to division 6, I would say if you are playing an Invocation power Revenant.
-Chronophantasma Shatter- DISADVANTAGE 20% chance to win
-Meditrapper- NEUTRAL 50% chance to win
-Bunker Druid- DISADVANTAGE 30% chance to win
-Power Shiro Invocation- NEUTRAL, ADVANTAGE 60% chance to win if you jump on them with Shiro
-Power Shiro Retribution- DISADVANTAGE- 40% chance to win
-Power Scrapper- NEUTRAL- 50% chance to win
-D/F Auramancer- ADVANTAGE- 80% chance to win if given enough time
-Corruptionmancer- ADVANTAGE- 60% chance to win IF you jump them, DISADVANTAGE 30% chance to win IF they jump and kite you around
-Macebow warrior- DISADVANTAGE- 30% chance to win
-D/p unhindered combatant thief- DISADVANTAGE- 40% chance to win
-D/p bounding dodger thief- DISADVANTAGE- 40% chance to win
-Mara staff shortbow acro trick daredevil teef- ADVANTAGE- 60% chance to win
-Mara staff acro trick daredevil teef using dp or pp offhand- DISADVANTAGE- 40% chance to win
-S/F fresh air ele- ADVANTAGE- 60% chance to win
-Power shatter- ADVANTAGE- 60% chance to win
-Power based GS/longbow or mace/shield warrior- ADVANTAGE- 60% chance to win
You’ll notice that Invocation rev has some bad matchups against a lot of the other meta comps which is why revs are usually placed in team fights instead of 1v1s. Revs are excellent cleavers and chasers. I still think revs are the best arena profession right now with all ESL teams playing one.
Kills warrior (not by much tho), necro, scrapper, druid and ele (can’t die, but can kill ele)
Dies to thief and mesmer
Dh is a pretty equal matchup.
All assuming meta builds.
I wish I could kill an evenly skilled Rev as a Guardian…
It does
It absolutely does not, at least, not in 1v1’s where both have equal footing. A good Rev will demolish a good DH every time. In conquest we (maybe?) have the advantage if we land our bursts first.
I can list at least 3 good meta rev players who can kill any meta dh build 1v1. Amber league, sure, dh wins.
Faov was one of the best players in the game. That’s what most of my post was establishing. Kronos, while not experienced in team play or Conquest, is top tier mechanically. Don’t delude yourself. Fewer than five Revenants in the game were better duelists than those two.
If its that strong why is it the class most discussed and players complain the most?
Coz people are bad. People always QQ and say that classes that arent even top or meta and say they’re op, like warrior dh, and then QQ that the strong meta classes like rev and necro are weak, it’s hilarious.
Nobody can take you seriously when you comment stuff like this, Rev has some of the worst stability access after Thief.
What?? Ele, necro have 0 stability in their meta build (and non-meta things are straight up dead, so don’t even mention traits that give you stability). 0. Not a single stack anywhere.
And unlike rev, these 2 classes have very little damage avoidance, they just eat it all up.
Both necro and ele have stability. You should’ve said mesmer, which has 0 stab
Let’s see smart boy, where Ele or Necro has stability. Tell me where and I’ll tell you why you are wrong. (except Necro elite shout, with a 90s CD, that’s not reliable)
Ele – overload.
Necro – shroud.
Necro #3 skill in deathshroud has been nerfed significantly and is on a 25s CD, which lasts 8s. That’s not even close of any sort of good survivability while under heavy pressure from a revenant or a thief, since this is your only stability skill and you have very few stun breaks (while rev has tons). You wait it out and then necro is ded.
Ele stability on overload is a joke. You need to drop one of the most important traits to you as an ele. Perma vigor, the only trait that can provide perma regen while on an auramancer build, the best source of condi cleanse, etc. The stability on overload doesn’t come even close to this trait, while you’re bunker-healing, Invigorating torrents is a no brainer. The only real stability provider is overload earth, but that’s not gonna help you you survive focus fire unless you’ve already been in earth for 1-2 seconds.
Tho ele unlike necro has more ways to survive focus fire, but they are on a long CD and when the enemy team knows what CC is, you melt like chocolate.
See, it does have stab, and stop trying to excuse your stupidity. You said it had 0 stab and it does have stab, and not a lack of it either.
For some background on Faov, he was a GvG GL before he joined Never Lucky for PL S1. Throughout S1 and S2 he was still somewhat learning how to play conquest, but his mechanics were never in question, no matter how the team ended up doing. I doubt there’s a single top tier Revenant who didn’t respect Faov. So be my guest, call the best players in the game mid tier. It says more about you than about them. They’ve already proven themselves to the people that matter.
I said Faov (and the yt guy), not the best players in the game.
Nobody can take you seriously when you comment stuff like this, Rev has some of the worst stability access after Thief.
What?? Ele, necro have 0 stability in their meta build (and non-meta things are straight up dead, so don’t even mention traits that give you stability). 0. Not a single stack anywhere.
And unlike rev, these 2 classes have very little damage avoidance, they just eat it all up.
Both necro and ele have stability. You should’ve said mesmer, which has 0 stab
Let’s see smart boy, where Ele or Necro has stability. Tell me where and I’ll tell you why you are wrong. (except Necro elite shout, with a 90s CD, that’s not reliable)
Nobody can take you seriously when you comment stuff like this, Rev has some of the worst stability access after Thief.
What?? Ele, necro have 0 stability in their meta build (and non-meta things are straight up dead, so don’t even mention traits that give you stability). 0. Not a single stack anywhere.
And unlike rev, these 2 classes have very little damage avoidance, they just eat it all up.
Both necro and ele have stability. You should’ve said mesmer, which has 0 stab
You don’t have to play Rev… in order to what? You do have to play Rev to actually have a working knowledge of how the class works, its limitations in specific matchups and situations and so on. But in order to click the “Post Reply” button, no, you don’t have to play Rev. If you don’t feel comfortable competing on Rev then isn’t that an indicator you haven’t played it very much?
With competing I talk esl. And I don’t need to main it to know how it works. I don’t need to play it at all to know how it works
ROM won’t compete with warr, he still knows how it works. Altho since the druid nerfs, maybe he will go back to it b4 next tourny, donno, will be another patch b4 next tourny so, doesn’t really matter.
Then why are you on this forum? Don’t get me wrong you have the right to be here, but… why? You seem to be here to express your opinion instead of listening to others, yet you have emphasized more than once now that you don’t really play Rev, so at this point nobody expects you to have an informed opinion about what it’s like to play as Rev. Anybody can look at GW2 wiki, and I hope you have, but that doesn’t translate to a working knowledge of what it’s like to play Rev in 1v1, 2v2, chasing, being chased, defending a node, etc. Too many situations and variables to intuit from just reading wiki articles.
As for the NA-EU thing, understandable, that’s too bad.
I don’t need to play rev. Also, in a matchup rev vs warr… I’m warr main, so no, I don’t need to play rev according to that logic either. “I don’t play rev” as in I would never compete with it, whereas I do with my warr.
I wish I could kill an evenly skilled Rev as a Guardian…
It does
Not when the Revenant knows how to properly use their CDs… I run out of CDs while they do not and eventually they kill me. Kiting them is insanely hard…
It’s an even matchup.
Are you able to explain why you believe it’s an even matchup?
Guardian’s have a difficult/hard time fighting evenly skilled Revenants, because it’s almost impossible for a Guardian to peel a Revenant off of them. Revenants have multiple tools to work around traps, such as staff 3 & 5 and sword 3 and can shut down a Guardian in melee range very well. So, not being able to peel them, leads to being stuck in melee range, which puts the fight in a Revenant’s favor
They’re (just about) equally favoured
I’m not trying to insult you, but I don’t know if you realize you’re saying the same thing over and over without providing an explanation as of why
There’s not really a direct explanation to it, it’s just how it is. In top tier play (esl) between players where the skill difference is miniscule and not a difference it’s apparant. And it’s an equal matchup. It’s same way you know that rev kills condi warrior. So ofc, it can be different and undefined in lower tier, maybe that’s why Jay thinks condi warr kills rev.
Shield bash is easier to land than anything rev has if you are using it correctly. I have 2k hours on warr dude. I played it exclusively prior to HOT, and play it much better than I do Rev currently which I got to legend every season with pretty easily. The timing alone from having to break stun from shield bash is more than enough to land another skill with a half second cast time right after it every single time. The only way you would not be able to land another skill is if rev used the stun break that also creates distance. Have you even played Rev at all at a decent skill level? It’s almost laughable you would even try to argue that shield bash should not land.
You have 2k hours? gz, I play warrior on top tier lvl.
“The timing alone from having to break stun from shield bash is more than enough to land another skill with a half second cast time right after it every single time.”
This made absolutely 0 sense sry.
I only play rev every once in a while. Absolutely terrible compared to my warr, but I’d say mid tier.
It’s almost laughable that you are unable to evade shield bash.
I wish I could kill an evenly skilled Rev as a Guardian…
It does
Not when the Revenant knows how to properly use their CDs… I run out of CDs while they do not and eventually they kill me. Kiting them is insanely hard…
It’s an even matchup.
Are you able to explain why you believe it’s an even matchup?
Guardian’s have a difficult/hard time fighting evenly skilled Revenants, because it’s almost impossible for a Guardian to peel a Revenant off of them. Revenants have multiple tools to work around traps, such as staff 3 & 5 and sword 3 and can shut down a Guardian in melee range very well. So, not being able to peel them, leads to being stuck in melee range, which puts the fight in a Revenant’s favor
I wish I could kill an evenly skilled Rev as a Guardian…
It does
Not when the Revenant knows how to properly use their CDs… I run out of CDs while they do not and eventually they kill me. Kiting them is insanely hard…
If you’re killed 0-100 in seconds, you must be really bad.
Even a trait grant you the shield skill 5 to save your a*s when in troubles, or if you need more stability there’s the trait that grant you two stacks instead of one.
Yes, you can’t chose when to active your stability but 2 stability (traited) for 3 sec (or more, depending on your build) every 5 sec when you dodge is not a lack of stability.
You have a Lot of evades and blocks with sword/shield and staff, too many of them.
Your damage is one of the best of the game, you can burst down a large amount of class in 1v1 easy and fast.
Conditions can be a problem but if you use mallyx you can be all right. Also the staff clean conditions with skill 4. But yes, the main build don’t have so much condi clean. the point is that frequently the enemy is dead before he’s able to stack enough conditions to kill you.
The revenant is still the best class in both offence and defence. Just make more practice.
It’s now every 8 seconds after the new patch, please read the build notes before commenting. You’re exaggerating a bit about some parts, but mostly correct, if a condi reaper is below 50% LF when you start dueling then the power Rev should win. Not against mes or a good condi warr though.
Rev kills condi warr.
Rev can kill anything. I kill people as rev all the time that are direct counters to the class, but I mean I was winning 1v2’s as shout warr pretty consistently prior to HOT. That doesn’t really mean the class hasn’t been over nerfed. The room for error is too small and often times an error on the class means an immediate death, and with combination of the many weakness rev now has, you have to put yourself in ideal situations almost all the time to get the best out of it.
Revenant is favoured vs condi warrior
No, it’s not. Condi warr has stuns/condi/blocks. Everything rev is weak to. You’re not good at warrior.
I am good at warrior, I’m Obindo, using friend’s account atm for forums, mine got temporarily suspended. And yes it is favoured against condi warrior.
Land one stun, condi load up rev… Force rev to play defensive if not already dead. Rotate blocks, evades, land one stun again condi load rev. Rev is dead.
You’re talking as if you’re attacking an NPC, rev shouldn’t get hit by skullgrinder btw. It could once via choke in a few duels, but that’s far from a kill. Maybe in low tier it’s different
Rev is a melee class. If you can’t land skullgrinder with it’s quick cast time reliably you’re bad. Not only that, you can set it up with a shield #4 before hand, and oh boy if you miss that man you are really terrible. That’s like saying a warr should never land eviscerate on thief/mes in pre-HOT builds. Just a major difference between the good warrs and the bad.
Quickness does not enhance skullgrinder’s cast time. If you cannot dodge shield bash (or skullgrinder) consistently you’re bad with a terrible reaction time. You could do skill retargeting with shield bash, but won’t work on good players. Even if u hit shield bash, rev has 3 potential, mostly 2, consecutive stunbreaks… and you have 2 stuns, so it doesn’t matter. Rev has a lot of evade frames, UA and Staff 5 tied with dmg as well it can easily deal a lot of damage without any danger. And it has 2 blocks as well. Rev can 100 0 warrior outside of zerker mode (inside as well, but since u think it’s somehow impossible to dodge anything, I say outside) if not counting for endure pains.
If you’re killed 0-100 in seconds, you must be really bad.
Even a trait grant you the shield skill 5 to save your a*s when in troubles, or if you need more stability there’s the trait that grant you two stacks instead of one.
Yes, you can’t chose when to active your stability but 2 stability (traited) for 3 sec (or more, depending on your build) every 5 sec when you dodge is not a lack of stability.
You have a Lot of evades and blocks with sword/shield and staff, too many of them.
Your damage is one of the best of the game, you can burst down a large amount of class in 1v1 easy and fast.
Conditions can be a problem but if you use mallyx you can be all right. Also the staff clean conditions with skill 4. But yes, the main build don’t have so much condi clean. the point is that frequently the enemy is dead before he’s able to stack enough conditions to kill you.
The revenant is still the best class in both offence and defence. Just make more practice.
It’s now every 8 seconds after the new patch, please read the build notes before commenting. You’re exaggerating a bit about some parts, but mostly correct, if a condi reaper is below 50% LF when you start dueling then the power Rev should win. Not against mes or a good condi warr though.
Rev kills condi warr.
Wanna bet? I’d have fun disproving that.
Go ahead
I didn’t mean with words, I have no plans for tonight, let’s duel. Add me, I’ll be on after 6pm EDT. But what Jay pointed out is correct, Warr has enough CCs to get past Rev’s multiple stunbreaks, and condi Warr plays on Rev’s ultimate weakness, condis. Add in shield 5 for complete protection against UA and Rev’s damage potential is pretty much halved.
If you’re killed 0-100 in seconds, you must be really bad.
Even a trait grant you the shield skill 5 to save your a*s when in troubles, or if you need more stability there’s the trait that grant you two stacks instead of one.
Yes, you can’t chose when to active your stability but 2 stability (traited) for 3 sec (or more, depending on your build) every 5 sec when you dodge is not a lack of stability.
You have a Lot of evades and blocks with sword/shield and staff, too many of them.
Your damage is one of the best of the game, you can burst down a large amount of class in 1v1 easy and fast.
Conditions can be a problem but if you use mallyx you can be all right. Also the staff clean conditions with skill 4. But yes, the main build don’t have so much condi clean. the point is that frequently the enemy is dead before he’s able to stack enough conditions to kill you.
The revenant is still the best class in both offence and defence. Just make more practice.
It’s now every 8 seconds after the new patch, please read the build notes before commenting. You’re exaggerating a bit about some parts, but mostly correct, if a condi reaper is below 50% LF when you start dueling then the power Rev should win. Not against mes or a good condi warr though.
Rev kills condi warr.
Rev can kill anything. I kill people as rev all the time that are direct counters to the class, but I mean I was winning 1v2’s as shout warr pretty consistently prior to HOT. That doesn’t really mean the class hasn’t been over nerfed. The room for error is too small and often times an error on the class means an immediate death, and with combination of the many weakness rev now has, you have to put yourself in ideal situations almost all the time to get the best out of it.
Revenant is favoured vs condi warrior
No, it’s not. Condi warr has stuns/condi/blocks. Everything rev is weak to. You’re not good at warrior.
I am good at warrior, I’m Obindo, using friend’s account atm for forums, mine got temporarily suspended. And yes it is favoured against condi warrior.
Land one stun, condi load up rev… Force rev to play defensive if not already dead. Rotate blocks, evades, land one stun again condi load rev. Rev is dead.
You’re talking as if you’re attacking an NPC, rev shouldn’t get hit by skullgrinder btw. It could once via choke in a few duels, but that’s far from a kill. Maybe in low tier it’s different
If you consider a pro league player and a dueling specialist who has won several community dueling tournaments “mid tier” then you should probably look up what mid tier actually means.
You don’t need to be top tier to enter pro league in NA atm, (same could be said about eu, but far from the same degree)
If you’re killed 0-100 in seconds, you must be really bad.
Even a trait grant you the shield skill 5 to save your a*s when in troubles, or if you need more stability there’s the trait that grant you two stacks instead of one.
Yes, you can’t chose when to active your stability but 2 stability (traited) for 3 sec (or more, depending on your build) every 5 sec when you dodge is not a lack of stability.
You have a Lot of evades and blocks with sword/shield and staff, too many of them.
Your damage is one of the best of the game, you can burst down a large amount of class in 1v1 easy and fast.
Conditions can be a problem but if you use mallyx you can be all right. Also the staff clean conditions with skill 4. But yes, the main build don’t have so much condi clean. the point is that frequently the enemy is dead before he’s able to stack enough conditions to kill you.
The revenant is still the best class in both offence and defence. Just make more practice.
It’s now every 8 seconds after the new patch, please read the build notes before commenting. You’re exaggerating a bit about some parts, but mostly correct, if a condi reaper is below 50% LF when you start dueling then the power Rev should win. Not against mes or a good condi warr though.
Rev kills condi warr.
Rev can kill anything. I kill people as rev all the time that are direct counters to the class, but I mean I was winning 1v2’s as shout warr pretty consistently prior to HOT. That doesn’t really mean the class hasn’t been over nerfed. The room for error is too small and often times an error on the class means an immediate death, and with combination of the many weakness rev now has, you have to put yourself in ideal situations almost all the time to get the best out of it.
If you’re killed 0-100 in seconds, you must be really bad.
Even a trait grant you the shield skill 5 to save your a*s when in troubles, or if you need more stability there’s the trait that grant you two stacks instead of one.
Yes, you can’t chose when to active your stability but 2 stability (traited) for 3 sec (or more, depending on your build) every 5 sec when you dodge is not a lack of stability.
You have a Lot of evades and blocks with sword/shield and staff, too many of them.
Your damage is one of the best of the game, you can burst down a large amount of class in 1v1 easy and fast.
Conditions can be a problem but if you use mallyx you can be all right. Also the staff clean conditions with skill 4. But yes, the main build don’t have so much condi clean. the point is that frequently the enemy is dead before he’s able to stack enough conditions to kill you.
The revenant is still the best class in both offence and defence. Just make more practice.
It’s now every 8 seconds after the new patch, please read the build notes before commenting. You’re exaggerating a bit about some parts, but mostly correct, if a condi reaper is below 50% LF when you start dueling then the power Rev should win. Not against mes or a good condi warr though.
If you’re killed 0-100 in seconds, you must be really bad.
Even a trait grant you the shield skill 5 to save your a*s when in troubles, or if you need more stability there’s the trait that grant you two stacks instead of one.
Yes, you can’t chose when to active your stability but 2 stability (traited) for 3 sec (or more, depending on your build) every 5 sec when you dodge is not a lack of stability.
You have a Lot of evades and blocks with sword/shield and staff, too many of them.
Your damage is one of the best of the game, you can burst down a large amount of class in 1v1 easy and fast.
Conditions can be a problem but if you use mallyx you can be all right. Also the staff clean conditions with skill 4. But yes, the main build don’t have so much condi clean. the point is that frequently the enemy is dead before he’s able to stack enough conditions to kill you.
The revenant is still the best class in both offence and defence. Just make more practice.
It’s now every 8 seconds after the new patch, please read the build notes before commenting. You’re exaggerating a bit about some parts, but mostly correct, if a condi reaper is below 50% LF when you start dueling then the power Rev should win. Not against mes or a good condi warr though.
