I’m not sure if there was another topic on this, but I know it was mention in some other thread.
Should the wxp you get from a kill be divided among all the people who inflicted damage?
In other words wouldn’t it make more sense, if for example player x is worth 60 wxp if killed. If he is soloed the other player is rewarded all 60 wxp. However, if 5 people inflict damage to kill this player they are instead rewarded 12 wxp.
I think this would help balance wxp gain from a zerger and those that participate in small groups or soloers.
Anyway just an idea and perhaps they would have to increase the wxp a player can be worth so that it doesn’t affect wxp gain per hr as it is now. Maybe increase the max a player can be worth is doubled to what it is now. (60 to 120 wxp to compensate)
Plenty of people want high WXP rank nowadays. So, here is a guide to get WXP fast! Follow this guide and soon you can brag about your insane high rank to your guildies and server!
.
STEP 1. RUN WITH A ZERG.
STEP 2. WHILE WITH THE ZERG…
Don’t build siege, building gives 0 WXP. Let other people do it.
Don’t protect with whirlwind, protecting gives 0 WXP. Let other people do it.
Don’t heal people, healing gives 0 WXP. Let other people do it.
Don’t rez people, rezzing gives 0 WXP. Let other people do it.
Don’t repair when a tower is not under attack, repairing gives 0 WXP when not under attack. Let other people do it.
Don’t kill downed people, killing gives 0 WXP when you already tagged that enemy. Let other people do it.
Don’t upgrade towers or keep, upgrading gives 0 WXP. Let other people do it.
Don’t down people downing gives 0 WXP when you already tagged that enemy. Let other people do it.
Don’t buff people, buffing gives 0 WXP. Let other people do it.
Don’t stand guard in a tower, guarding gives 0 WXP. Let other people do it.
Don’t escort yaks, escorting gives 0 WXP. Let other people do it.
.
Enjoy your new ranks!
Lol love the guide. So true.
The only thing that I think anet will not give wxp for is rezing and healing because I can see people exploiting this if it did.
If rezing gave wxp you would see people in front of spawns just killing themselves and having someone rez for wxp and then switch with others killing themselves.
Healing could be exploiting in the same manner. Just lose some health and heal them to get wxp.
Funny, but I have a similar problem. I can’t seem to get my legendary because of all the gold it takes and the only way to make gold fast is in pve.
I have everything done since december and guess what still no lengendary.
Its ok for you guys anet is going to have server rotations in wvw to make it easier for pvers to get legendaries. Next up they will just give you carebears free gift of mastery and won’t even need a mesmer in jp to teleport you for badges because everything for a pver suppose to be on easy mode.
This way all carebears can spam there gear in lions arch and think they are almighty and then die almost instantly if they fight against a hardcore wvwer if they dared to step foot in wvw or spvp.
To the OP do you watch what generally happens to servers when they move up or down a tier since free transfers ended?
Most of the time when a server moved up it has either struggled in the higher tier or found the next tier an even challenge.
You said a tier 4 might be able to compete against T2 or T1. You actually believe that?
Lets take maguuna for instance. They have been in t4 and always have been very strong in that tier. They move to tier 3 and they struggle due to coverage.
The most recent tier 2 servers FA & TC dominated T3 when the really strong T4 Magunna was there.
Ebay has been really strong in T5, but every time they visit T4 they struggled.
The only exceptions to servers rapidly moving through tiers was when free transfers was available and tier 8 servers getting stuck because the points for the bottom servers can get ridicously low and thus even if you dominate you wont get much points from the losing servers.
All that said they do need to make adjustments in the glicko system, but most of the servers are in the correct tier. At best they are just off 1 tier.
Who are the commanders you consider elite? Preferably don’t list a guildmate because they tend to be biased opinions.
Anyway for Kaineng the absolute best commanders that I have seen in action on this server:
Jang Gun (WM) – by far the best in leading, listening to scouts, reacting, training, etc.
Ssaoul (WM) –
Hide Chicken (WM)- when he was on.
Prince Jarvan (Rise)
Ethersin (RE)
Chaster (SOS) – when he use to play.
Many others are pretty good but some just are very good. This is just my perspective from an unbiased point of view.
Who are the top commanders that you consider the best of the best?
you think we havent tried? we got 30man zerg camping the gate, he still slips pass… he hits the gate and instantly restealth… you cant even see him, the npc guards dont even have time to react…
Are you on tarnished coast? Just wondering he did that to kain a lot when we were the green server. Anyway here is a hint for you he is not hitting the gate. Npc will react. He is also most likely not even teleporting. No need to.
Score affects the magnitude of a world’s rating change – e.g. losing by 10,000 score will reduce your world’s rating more than losing by 1,000 score. Source.
The OP’s complaint is largely unfounded; score matters regardless of who wins.
That said, this does bring up a good point: information is not readily available for players in WvW. I’d like to see a tab in the new WvW window (which is an excellent addition!) called ‘Help’, ‘WvW Information’, or something similar. This tab should have
general information about WvW – “What is it?”, “How do I participate?”, “Why are there 4 battlegrounds?”, an explanation of the user interface elements, etc.
specific information about the battlefield – “What is a tower?”, “What is a keep?”, “What is a castle?”, “What are siege weapons?” etc., incl. point-per-period information.
complex information about WvW – “How is a world’s rating calculated?”, “How does score affect a world’s rating?”, etc.
(not necessary, but convenient) a list of world rankings.
(Yes, I’m aware that some of this information is available from the WvW training characters, but that isn’t very helpful – it isn’t accessible to fresh players who have never been to WvW and don’t know about it or how to get to it; it doesn’t provide a quick reference; and it lacks a lot of important information like score, rating, etc.)
Losing rating due to the glicko system isn’t going to motivate me. Look at tier 1. If BG lost by 100k or 10k, they are still in tier 1. They aren’t going anywhere. Why should I care if I lost 40 rating or 4? Besides, most players don’t look at the glicko. They look at the match score to make a determination on whether they are going to play. Hide the score so no one sees it and they are much more willing to play.
Players need more motivation that losing a few glicko points, especially when the tiers rarely change nowadays.
If they keep losing by 100k they will be tier 2. So yes how much you are losing by does matter. Also it appear blackgate will be losing by enough this week to drop them to 3rd or the red server.
Players do need more info in game because many don’t know the difference between red, blue and, green and why they are in that position. Many also don’t know that the score each week is compiled in the glicko system and the better or worst they do will eventually determine will they move up a tier or not.
I like the ideas regarding voting for commanders or using the wxp system.
There are times when there are no commanders on and it can then get unorganized.
How about add temporary commanders by using the ranks of the existing players on the map at the time.
Say the 5 highest rank players on the map get an option to become a temporary commander. They would also get the option to decline if they don’t want to of course.
This would at least give people someone to follow who has quite a bit of experience in wvw even more so than many of these pve commanders.
If you’re on SOR then you will notice it even more. Many guilds in SOR have admitted in the past on the forum that they insisted on clumping everyone together in 70+ zergballs since it helps them win open field fights.
If I recall, some even say that they will never split up to defend objectives since they play to win open field fights and having these 70+ zergballs is the most effective way to fight. Their strategy with these 70+ zergballs is that it allows them to overwhelm their opponents in numbers for every fight, especially if the other server run multiple havoc groups or split up to take multiple objectives.
A few guilds from other servers have requested SOR to split up on the forums due to the skill lag issue but SOR basically rejected the idea of splitting up their 70+ zergballs.
That is how you lose when servers are even numbers. A server splitting forming in example four 20 man groups will cap more than one 80 man group. The server with the 80 man group is probably not defending as well.
I know on my server the times we split and had multiple commanders with decent groups we did a whole lot better than the whole server follow one icon.
just because ultimate dominator is doable by people who stay in zergs in T1 and don’t know how to fight outside of those zergs doesn’t mean its doable for the entire population of gw2
The ultimate dominator title needs to be renamed to ultimate t1 zerger.
They should add a 2nd category for solo kills or kills in a small grp, etc.
My server has been winning its matchups since Blackgate left Tier 2. When I’m playing (which lately has almost always been in EB), we’ve actually had our keep and SMC waypoints active most of the time. I actually notice swords far more often on the enemy keeps than on ours. So I’m not “QQing” when I say that WP contesting needs to change—if that’s all you’ve got to shoot back with, just keep that round in the chamber for someone else because it won’t work here.
In my view, being able to constantly knock out a WP is a power that a single player on foot should not possess. I don’t mind that the contested mechanic exists, but I do think it needs to be changed. I’m not really keen on the whole “white swords could mean one person, or 24” concept and I can’t say I’m sure why they chose to rework it that way. Waypoints should only be contested if there is an actual threat to the structure in question: e.g. it is under siege, or a gate/wall has taken a certain amount of damage over a certain window of time.
Same thing with defense events. I shouldn’t “earn” wxp just because I built an arrow cart or dropped 2 supply on a wall within three minutes after a thief tagged the gate. I didn’t really do anything to defend the tower any more than the enemy actually attacked it.
That said, I’m pretty satisfied with the overall state of WvW, although I’d be lying if I tried to tell you that I wasn’t looking forward to future updates. I was actually kind of surprised that they didn’t add in some Orb rework with this last patch.
Must not know about the FA thief who lives for pvwall on kains keep for endless hours even when we occupy most of their towers in EBG. You don’t have to hit the gate, just hit a cannon, etc. And then just go back to pvwall or other means to go permastealth.
It however affects us in the very least. Heck I’ve done it to them on my main thief, but usually when it actually means something like everyone needing to rush to smc or something. This guy does it because apparently he loves to pvwall for hours rather than play the game lol.
Hi there,
I am liking the world exp, but I can’t help but think that everything you gain from it is useless. 5% more/less damage from guards, less damage from siege, all seem really trivial.
In my opinion it would make WvW even better if we had some type of character progression.
Things like:
5% more/less damage to other people in WvW
5% more casting speed
5% increase recharge time
5% more life,toughness,power,healing power, etc etc
There are tons of options that I think would be cool to have.
You could even set it up like a trait tree, have all kind of new passive skills, but WvW only.
Anyways just my 2 cents, something like this would make WvW a lot more enjoyable for me.
I don’t see them doing this. They want casuals to be able to enjoy wvw as much as regulars or hardcore players. That is why these current character progression are passive skills.
The skills you mention would make hardcore wvwers elite like in some other pvp games like for example aion. Player with pvp gear vs player with no pvp gear and it wasn’t a challenge unless you were a sorcerer, but that’s a different story. The point is aion had pvp gear that gave you similar stats as you described. Those people who had pvp gear were far superior than those who did not.
Personally, I wouldnt mind if they did go in that direction, but that’s probably because I consider myself more of a hardcore wvwer. I just don’t see them doing it.
It was intended to block siege. Also swirling winds and elementalist is not the only skill or class that can block siege. Although it seems to be the most commonly known.
I would like to mention that there used to be more EU and NA players on Kaineng…
…but the desires of War Machine and their paparazzi drove us away.
Reap what you sow, you’re doing fine in T2.
If you are going to post stuff like this, you will have to explain the whole story. I for one have no idea what you are talking about.
He is one of the original commanders from I believe kain guild a long time ago. It was before wm even came here. He left and kind of abandon a growing wvw community at the time during what it seem like conflicts between other guilds not getting credit. The week he left and some other strong wvw guilds took the week off we took a major hit on points, which help DR to finally propel into tier 7.
I’m sure he can explain all why he left, which is a shame because he help establish the original hardcore wvw community in kain.
I have a feeling there is going to be alot of QQ when Thieves start getting murdered trying to use the same ole tricks.
It will be like after the first Rogue nerf.
I don’t see that happening. It would surprise me the least. People will still cry about thieves after. They not removing stealth. They are fixing culling. A thief fully traited for shadow arts and traited to gain extra intiative will still be able to perma stealth. That is how it is set up. What culling will help fix is being able to see a thief once he hits you.
Big battles I can see it being a lagfest worst than it has been. I can see myself playing with only nameplates. The culling fix is a step in the right direction though.
Thieves can kill 30+ zergs with one single strike if you see one in the open fields type /bow and move on, but you should be aware that the thief can teleport across the whole map infinitely whenever he wants so you might not be able to escape.
also they have a ability that kills you when you get into their LOS.
Bow to the masterclass and leave in awe !
Ahhh thieves must have got some new incredible aoe skill that one shots everyone ?
Any thief that can take a zerg of 30 please come face us on kain server. I would love to see 1 thief wipe out our zergs.
Sorry had to respond to the troll.
Anyway I do think some changes may need to be made to thief especially to increaing the time they are revealed after damage. However, the culling fix may correct this. If not then it probably should be added.
Also that perma stealth video just shows a thief burning everything, including all his intiative to stay stealth. He is doinkittenage. He can’t hold a camp that way because being stealth won’t allow u to. His damage is weak and all his traits are spent to stay stealth and very little of anything else. He is built to annoy and that is all. Very weak wvw setup to do anything else.
This is a Constructive thread, meant to help the game designers to get stealth back on track in WvW.
Anyone who plays the game WvW knows that stealth is overpowerd. Ppl playing stealth classes will try and shoot this thread down. So let me refer to the post “Stealth in WvW needs a nerf” where the OP is a stealth user and feels its very overpowered. Some will try to claim he is lying but at the end of the day. ANYONE playing WvW knows that there are way too many advantages when using stealth as Mesmer, Thief.
1.You can take out a group of 4 ppl, no other classes can do anything similar.
2. If you are close to loosing a fight you can cloak and run to safty and start all over again. No other classes can do anything similar or even close.
So pls give some constructive feedback on how stealth can be fixed in WvW.
This is NOT a yes it is NO it isnet thread. So when ppl start try to shoot the thread down pls try to be the wiser and stay on topic. I hope to get a lot of great ideas with this post, so we can help the gamedesigners with some great input.
An idea could be one of the following
- To prolong the cooldown on stealth.
- reduce time in stealthmode
- Let more skills interrupt stealth.
- reduce backstab damage
- not being able to cloak while using “finish him”
Thankyou for your constructive feedback on the thread.
Culling is the issue. Let them fix this and then we can talk about stealth.
Also, you mention no other class can escape like a mesmer or thief due to stealth. You must not have fought against an elementalist then, one of the strongest, if not strongest class in wvw.
Let’s talk more about Tier 8. Sorrow’s Furnace is currently the top dog on Tier 8 and even though they win their matches handily, they don’t seem to be moving up tiers anytime soon.
it seems that they could plateau in Tier 8 for 3 more months.
So should PVE players consider SF the best place to be? With extra POWER OF THE MISTS, SF players will be sturdier and enjoy more benefits throughout the week compared to players on loser servers and even the highly competitive servers don’t have as much bonuses.
Players on SF have 2 options
1) Try as hard as they can to move up to tier 7 and then all their Power of the Mists is gone!
2) Maintain some stability in Tier 8 and rack up easy kills from ET and FC but never boost their rating so far as to leave the “comforts” of Tier 8.
Maybe the players on Kaineng or Devona’s Rest have some opinion on this as they were the other 2 servers that worked their way out of Tier 8.
I wonder what the current mindset is on SF too. With all those bonuses and killing your easy opponents week after week, how could you not want to stay in Tier 8 for the rest of your GW2 life. Hahaha.
I know from being on kain when we were on tier 8 we wanted to move up. It took some work, DR to finally move up and back then DE and WM to pull us up along with the guilds we already had. I’m not sure what is the mindset on SF, but I’m sure they want to move up for better competition. We are primarily a wvw server than pve. So that probably helps with the motivation to improve and get better with wvw.
When we were blowing out servers, it was pretty boring for us. We are now in tier 2 and the fights are pretty intense and balanced. We like the balance fights we are getting. Better than roll over your opponents because we out number them by a lot.
Anyway, we miss you guys especially FC, we fought with them for many weeks. They need to fix tier 8. Have a bottom in points so servers don’t get stuck down there. Right now FC and ET is close to 500 points from any tier 7 server. That is ridiculous. Pretty much the only way SF will move up is if ET and FC don’t show up for a week. Then you will get another opponent. They might beat you guys as well, but it would boost the morale of the wvw community on those servers to get a better showing.
Although 100 gold maybe easy for a pver to get and be a commander, it is much harder for a pure wvwer. For the commanders that were elected by guild members is fine. It shows that people are at least putting their gold into someone who they feel is a good leader. However, many pvers can just buy it themselves, which is ridiculous.
This past weekend we followed a commander that dropped, built, and used a treb right at the door of a keep. I thought he might be trying to take out siege a special way. But nope he just treb the door.
Actually the buff gives a better chance for the person or group to get the tally points for flipping the camp than before since it will take a min 5 minutes until it is reflipped.
Also the camps can be soloed still so I don’t know what you are talking about regarding a small grp of 5 can’t take a camp.
While my usual practice is to mind my own business and target the occasional campers,this thread and Teamkiller’s post in particular has inspired me to spend some time in the puzzle hunting PvE players.
Same
I say punish those carebears for playing easy mode to get gear, lengendaries, and gold.
That guy said if he did jp everyday it would take him 50 days to get his lengendary. Lol
You know how long it would take a hardcore wvwer to get that?
They should make it that a wvw just needs to do jp in pve land to get the ton of gold pvers get.
March will see the release of the WuvWuv progression system, new ranks you can earn in WvW visible to all other players, and new DubVDub specific abilities/bonuses that you can earn as you rank up.
That’s great and all, but is there any word on whether or not they’re going to be adding New cosmetic gear and/or cosmetic items to WvW in March? Maybe even Ascended?
I have nothing to spend my badges on because the current gear is awful (in both stat selection and appearance). I feel like WvW should have multiple sets of gear in terms of both cosmetics and stats, just like Dungeons do. Also, it should have more prestigious options for more devoted WvWers, equivalent to Legendaries, in my opinion.
I was just curious, maybe I missed something.
This
Should be able to get the same type of gear in wvw as pve and not limited. It sux have to do dungeons and now guild missions to have the same gear as regular pvers. This in itself is why some servers have low populations for wvw.
Those stats were their for titles already just were so far to reach. Why should it be reset. Nothing in pve has got reset to get something that was later updated.
Examples: map completion. The title is kept even when they add new areas.
Guild bounties/ missions- guilds didn’t have to start from scratch to earn influence to do these bounties. No, it used influence already earned.
Anybody in Kain no what was up with the ArenaNet official running with the Kain zerg yesterday in EB? First time I seen someone with that red tag on was wondering if he was scouting someone or just there to support Kain.
Lack of rewards/loot drops and that only a few select classes dominate, so if you are not one of these classes may aswell avoid it.
I guess you might as well avoid dungeons as well because even a smaller selected classes dominate. Not saying all classes can’t do dungeons, but certain classes, I.e. warrior is on easy mode in pve. So if you want both wvw and pve then warrior is the way to go.
Maybe, the legends were wrong about this zhaitan. They thought he was a menacing elder dragon only to find out he was just a lvl 1 pansy. He fooled everyone. Oh and duck hunt was harder. You actually had to aim in that game.
Some of the original guilds that I still see although maybe not as much: cnb, ai, kain, fba, sos. I believe kr might still be here not sure. Also, I believe many members from re formally de are original kain. Anyway its weird sometimes when you recognize an old foe guild and all of a sudden now they are on our side.
I’m going to have to disagree with Kain’s line of thought on this one since you can’t claim WM is a seamless part of Kain contributing to the same score and skill and defend their night presence then turn around and say the Friday night Kains are just a separate entity that don’t really represent real Kain and try and talk off their reset presence. Reset Kain/WM/NA midweek Kain are all the same Kaineng. We are responsible for our pug players as well as our super stars.
I don’t think that made a lick of sense but oh well.
Have you logged into eb for the past month during reset? If you have you would notice a commander that is leading not from wm and you would only have seen him on only during reset. It is usually two commanders with the icon on. One for the past weeks has been a wm commander normally jang although not always. The other is normally from a really small guild.
I just want to say that despite all the hatred it seems in these threads we have enjoyed the fighting in game. Db and magunna you guys have tested us.
Also, wanted to say that most of the chest thumping from kain in these forums are from recent transfers to kain. Unfortunatly, it has started to give this server a bad rep.
Anyway don’t judge kain always on reset. We don’t always field our better players during reset due to queues. Last few weeks we have had some commanders in kain eb that I only have seen is during reset and seem very inexperienced and no I’m not talking about wm commanders who I think are pretty darn good. Saturday night na prime time we also again had someone with their icon on that was completely lost. It got to a point the other commanders told that person to turn off their icon repeatedly. That person wasn’t even lvl 80. Not going to go into detail but everyone that was there knows how bad that person was.
Point is every server has a share of really good players and very bad players. Please keep this thread going discussing the good fights you had etc.
Just responding to John Widden’s screenshot. For some reason cant reply like normal. That screenshot doesnt exactly show a whole since you could have taken the screenshot on any match. All it shows is Maguna.
Ummm we haven’t had competition for almost 2 months now. So yes we been not as coordinated especially during the week. People have been taking a break recently due to the tiers going to be reset and some of the new stuff. There was also talk to give yak and cd keeps etc so we would not move up in an attempt to go into a higher tier when they do get reset. Many on this server are also new to kain and really only join for easy wins. We will settle where we belong and get organized when the time comes. It kind of like a blowout in a basketball game. The team on top tends to relax.
Just want to say to Yaks Blend. You guys are relentless even with your back against the wall. It would be interesting where you guys would be if you had coverage 24/7.
I’m pretty sure that JQ and BG (and soon SOR) are equally capable of taking the number 1 spot, you underestimate them. You greatly exaggerate the disparity in competitive population coverage among these servers. Your idealism is misplaced and your assumptions are unrealistic.
Recruitment is a military strategy. We aren’t denying others of doing the same and thus viewing it negatively is nothing but an opinion by the losing team.
For you guys to stay on top I understand why you guys are recruiting and also understand that if others are doing it you guys should. Which you should.
The point I was making was regarding the transfers and the problems it has caused. It has made servers unbalanced. You guys in tier 1 probably dont see the difference as much since all 3 servers generally have a very good population. The problem I am pointing out is that the servers were created to hold a certain population and to be balanced. Not to have certain servers have 6 times as much population as others. If ANET actually balanced all servers we would see competive matches on all tiers. The servers in tier 1 would actually be the strongest based on skill not because they have more population than the other servers.
I think they should just allow everyone to join SOS. One server that is all.
This will make free transfer impossible, paid transfer wont exist, and all the bandwagoners, server hoppers who cant stand the server they are on now wont complain. Just one big happy lagfest server with no competition at all.
We will all be winners then. Yes this is what is needed.
Oh and yes I am being sarcastic.
Because JQ and other high tier servers don’t use blackouts as well. It all boils down to that response though. You don’t like losing so you’d rather call people who win as exploiters rather than trying well enough to recruit and strengthen your own servers. Why should we be not allowed to have transfers and your server does? Yea, coz you dont like losing.
Ultimately, this is just an elaborate form of you guys whining and being sore at not being on top.
I could careless about server transfers to my server. The current state of WVW for the server I am in is boring due to all the transfers that keep coming in. My point is all servers should be balanced and then the people on that server should be able to rally together and we would see who is the strongest. Due to transfers the only servers that will be on top is the server where all the population is.
If you ever play sports, i am sure anybody who is on top will want to win by skill not because they put more people on the field than everyone else.
If everyone is all on the same team then who is your competition? What is the point of playing?
I think they should just allow everyone to join SOS. One server that is all.
This will make free transfer impossible, paid transfer wont exist, and all the bandwagoners, server hoppers who cant stand the server they are on now wont complain. Just one big happy lagfest server with no competition at all.
We will all be winners then. Yes this is what is needed.
Devona rest left our tier 8 about month and half ago. Kain started to dominate since they left which then week after week more and more wvw guilds started to hop on the bandwagon. Every week I see new people on this server since and probably will continue to grow until free transfers are over. So once was a server of hard nose wvwers has turned into a server of choice for many other wvw players. Most people on this server seem to care more about wvw than pve.
