Guild Wars 2

CHIPS.6018:

Anet please fix culling asap. This is clearly game breaking. I will explain.

Yesterday’s wvw we faced a zerg with 6+ thieves or mesmers, who would take turn stealthing their whole zerg. They would retreat, rally to their commander(s), and a thief or mesmer would stealth their whole team. Then the whole stealthed zerg comes back and attacks right next to us. Due to culling they must have stealthed a total of 10 seconds. Needless to say many of our team are dead before the culling even ended. And since they got 6+ guys with group stealth, they did it over and over again.

We all read all those complains about permanent stealth thieves. Now imagine a whole zerg doing that, again and again. You just see a ton of damage poping up against your WHOLE zerg, and like half of you are dead before you even see your enemies.

I was so temped to roll a thief or mesmer yesterday it aren’t funny. This is the first time we see this happening. But I imagine this kind of “tactic” would be the new standard in the near future. Every single zerg vs zerg would be ghost vs ghost. No one can see each other. And if you are not a ghost, you got no chance.

Anet please fix this asap thanks. The whole wvw could be ruined by this bug.

Sounds more like they were organized and you guys weren’t. It wasn’t culing it was people using their available skills effectively. So you tell me you had no thievs or mesmers that could stealth you? Of course an enemy is going to keep using a tactic if your not doing anything to counter.

Morningstar.6208:

I have been reading a lot about this issue with match up system for a long time and I would like to share a solution which is less likely hard for Dev Team to fix and I believe they can make most of these changes easily.

1-Game should encourage players to transfer to low populated servers and forbid to transfer high populated servers. Server transfers should be available every 3 months for each account for free and in all other times with a small fee and huge handicap in WvW after transfer for a certain amount of time.

2-Outmanned buff should have priority in Dev teams schedule to reward people playing outmanned and it has to have different levels. Harder you are outmanned better the buff gets.

3-Legendary weapon requirements has to get revised to stop transfers for WvW map completion and badge farming.

4-Jumping puzzle should be removed from WvW and work on its own.

5-There should be a system like guild influence which will work as server influence encouraging players to stay and build it in one server.

6-Guilds should be server only which means if you leave your server you can not be in that servers guild any more.

Extra: Players from different servers can instance(PvE dungeon) together. Which will prevent players from switiching servers to PvE with their friends and will encourage people to transfer only to play WvW together with their friends. This will help preventing certain servers to turn into PvE only servers and stay competitive in WvW.

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Glicko2 system will work as intended if all these changes are made I guarantee.

If players are changing servers every week how do you expect glicko2 system to define a servers rating correctly in a weekly match up system. That is the main question should be asked.

regarding the extra part you already can group with people to do a pve dungeon and they don’t have to be from your server.

Morningstar.6208:

For people who doesn’t know what I am talking about:
Devona’s Rest, Kaineng and Ferguson’s Crossing fought each other in T8 for 10 weeks in a row due to glicko2 system and Devona’s Rest won 9 of those weeks. Most of the weeks score was pretty close and it was a great match up. Kaineng is probably the Devona’s favorite server to fight. Now Kaineng with it’s transfers and People like Chester’s efforts to unite Kaineng together going up to T5 next week. Ehmry Bay is going down from T4. It’s unfortunate Devona lost some population on the way.

This match up will be incredible and fun seeing old friends. Get your tickets now!

Heck yea we been looking for a rematch. Although many of the guild name tags you may not recognize. Some split went to different guilds and new guilds were started. Then their is SOS whos been here and pretty much stood together. Kudos to them.
We also got some transfers (WM guild the big one) and new people since the holidays etc.

Would be nice to see some of you guys Red, AOD, PRO etc. If they all stood together. Apparently, Pro left or is partially there?

Anyway, Devrona Rest we hated you guys, but in a friendly way LOL. Looking forward to it. You are our biggest rival and worthy adversary since launch.

Jscull.2514:

Jeda, Still no guild tag….

Jscull still crying…..

This just in. News Flash…. Just because another guild member is in a zerg doesnt make every guild member to be in a zerg.

Rob.7624:

I’ve got a 20 gold bet going on with a guildie.

I say Kaineng will not make it past tier 4.

He says they will go up to tier 2 or tier 1.

Would anyone else like to get in on this wager?

Waste of money.

The true test for us is when we lvl off will the new guild transfers hop servers again to a winning server. I guess will see who is the real bandwagon and who is actually determined to make Kain a strong server. It seems to be happening to DR. People hop on the bandwagon and then when they start losing they jump ship again.

Jscull.2514:

Jeda, let us know your guild. We will let you know if we see you in less than a group of 10.

I run solo alot. So yea most of the time its 10 or less. Apparently, you can only run in a group, but since that group has only 5 you complain. Like I said go visit spvp if you want even numbers. I bet when u run in your group if you see 1 person you go out and kill that person even though you outnumber them. I guaranteed you dont say hey wait guys we outnumber that one person so leave him alone.

Jscull.2514:

Absolutley no good answers as to why AR and Kain ONLY run in zergs….man up and run with your guild. If you lose…get better or don’t talk.

You must not be much good. Most skilled players love the challenge to take a 2v1 or 3v1 and win. Many of the original Kain members are used to it for when we were outnumbered by DR. If you looking for a duals or 5v5 battle maybe you should visit spvp. This is WVW, where anything goes. You going to have 1v1, 1v2, 5v5, 5v10, etc. Deal with it. Look forward to when you outnumbered and kill a squad with less. Post a video if you want to brag, but dont cry about being handed your own medicine judging by previous post that PAXA does the same thing.

dabomb.4056:

To WM, you guys move like robots. Its a compliment btw.

WM kicks butt. For other commanders on Kain you should turn off your icon sometimes and just role with them to learn some things especially from their general Jan. They are truly well organized and money seems like no object. When they want a tower or keep very little seems to stop them from getting it. Not saying anything bad about other commander guilds because we do have good leaders. Chaster is also very good from SOS. I have seen some commanders where people dont even follow anymore because they take people to a tower and do nothing or hang out in the JP area while NSP and AR is fighting us hard in EB.

I for one, not looking past AR or NSP, am looking forward to the possible rematch with Devrona Rest next week with even numbers this time. It was awesome fighting DR.

Im sure anyone who has been with Kain is looking forward to the rematch.

Much respect goes to AR and NSP to some good fights in EB during reset. NSP holding their keep so long impressed me.

When you say Kain Members speed hack are you refering to the server or a guild?

Wryscher.1432:

To sum up some of the key points.
At reset one guild was assigned to stop a server.
The rest of the server went to deal with the another server.
At one point the one guild assigned to stop a server had to go help the rest of the server stop the one server they were suppose to be stopping because they couldn’t seem to get it done.

Yes you are all Kein now. Yes you all work together. Yes you will be going places. And grats. But if that, written by someone on your own server doesn’t sound like you are being carried you might be delusional.

Just want to point out I was there on reset from the start. Basically, we broke into several groups. 1 group focused on GOM which was mainly WM with some pugs, the 2nd group focused on HOD. I was part of a small group that took SM with some resistance primarily from HoD. HoD appear to give us the most harassment on SM once taken. Although GoM did attempt SM couple times. Everybody did a nice job. We almost lost SM once from HoD when they got to the lords room but we got alot of help in the nick of time. I was mostly scouting as well as started upgrades on SM, which took forever due to HoD constant harassing. I had built about 5 trebs and another guy was building trebs as well to aim at anz, durios and wild creek, but HoD kept taking them down with their trebs. While all this was going on WM (with some pugs) was hitting GoM pretty hard. Another commander (think it was two) never really seen them before were in Orge holding off HoD. From what I saw the group in Orge force was alot smaller than WM which help explain why they struggle a little more than the WM group. Plus yes WM was very organize as they acted like one team , which constantly put multiple sieges to attack from different areas to throw off the enemy. From what I got from the Orge group was they were not properly putting sieges and was kinda disorganized.

All that being said there were a bunch of people in queue. Including one of the commanders who couldnt get in from the guild I am in. I think he said he was waiting 45min or so not really sure. I was there in EB for about 5 hours and never saw him make it in. So there were plenty of good wvwers who couldnt get in. Many of the WM members did. So guild wise they probably had the biggest presence from any other Kain guild. Alot of them probably got in this reset because they rushed after last week when they first got here they were primarily stuck out of EB and doing BL because they were in queue. Guess what either way the Kain guilds were able to take 100% of EB with and without them.

So either way good job to all who contributed.

As soon as they get rid of PVE required for legendary.

Dhampyr.2104:

One of the things everyone needs to get past is the discussion of WM or DE or whoever, like they’re not part of Kaineng. The quotes of “you’re only winning because of WM” make me chuckle. WM IS Kaineng. DE IS Kaineng.

In the past few weeks, I’ve fought in plenty of battles with DE and WM, and I’m not in either guild. They welcome me to stand beside them, the same as I welcome them. They’re a huge benefit, I’ve already learned a ton from them, and I look forward to the future fights!

I know DE originally was SE and they broke up. However, arent most of them original Kain WvWers that were recruited by the few SE members that came to Kain? I know when they first got here they were constantly sending shouts for recruitment. They seem to grow from the people that were already here.

When top Kain WVW guilds broke up and left namely iSPY, WAR, KAIN it open a void for players to go to for WVW and DE seem to be one of the top guilds for hardcore wvwers besides SoS whose been here. I know there are other good wvw guilds, KR, CNB, FBA, AI, etc to name a few. However, although some of those guilds have the numbers they were not pure wvw guilds and didnt always concentrate fully on wvw all the time. So DE seem the place to go if they were hardcore wvwer.

kreese.9461:

since I said this in the DR thread I’ll say this here
Kaineng wasn’t a T8 server before WM went there
They would have prob made it to T5 without them
With WM they will prob go to T4

that said I don’t like large wvw transfers I think they need to protect T8 and T7
1) Implement wvw queue priority based on the number of weeks an account has been on the server
2) Lower the map cap to 20 for T8
Lower the map cap to 30 for T7

I agree with you on your 1st point.

2nd point the map cap you are suggesting seems pretty low. I cant imagine what the queue times would be for Kain if we could only put 20 people on a map.

Im just curious if MF gear actually helps get better drops.

I made a set currently with 90% MF without using any buffs and I havent noticed any real difference from not using a MF set at all. If anything lately it seems I get better drops when not using it.

StormWolf.7645:

DivineBeing.2086:

Guys, who cares if people get the perception that WM is what made you move up in tiers. Just be grateful you have WM. I know TC could definitely use WM and would welcome them with open arms.

I think most of us are cool with them being here…most of us aren’t trying to push them out or anything. In my personal opinion everyone is welcome…but I’m not -grateful- to have -anyone-. Chaster included, and I like Chaster. They should be grateful to be lucky enough to be on Kaineng. No Guild is so “Great” and “Grand” that I need them to make Kaineng better, the only thing more Guilds will do is move us higher up the Ranks. As for who cares about the Perception?…Those of us who fought with every fiber of our being to keep DR at bay…Those of us who spent hour after hour fighting 5v1 odds and while never truly winning, also never truly losing…We who put everything into getting what we’ve earned care. I get it…some people are proud of rising through the Tiers and reaching Tier 1 or whatever…we’re proud we could put up a better fight than most Tiers above us have against DR despite the number difference. I remember nights in the KBL defending with -three- people…3 of us…and we held. Sure we lost/flipped Camps…but we managed to hold our Towers…our Keeps.

This is true i miss those days. It was nice when we actually pushed DR to the EB spawn point couple times. Or when SM switch hands between DR Kain and FC within an 1 hr. Fun times.

Themanbat.3206:

xxxzavulonxxx.8413:

Ending free xfers would be bad now. The damage is done. The only hope of tier match ups evening up ever is for the people who want challenges heading to lower tiers. If paid xfers went into place it would never happen.

That’s what everyone going to DR and Kaineng said. And look at the mess now… The damage will never be done as long as it keeps happening. I’m also not entirely sure what “challenge” all those xfers were looking for. They bring hundreds of people to a tier where every server has about 40-60 average players on at prime time and things were pretty even and their new server rolls all over everybody.

Once upon a time tier 8 was pretty balance with Ferg, DR, and Kain. Then free transfers of large guilds mainly disrupted the balance. First making DR to have overwhelming odds and now since DR left, it seems Kain is the popular server for large guilds to recently join. I been on Kain since day 1 and had to deal with getting our kitten kicked by DR and now we are owning everything. Not sure why these guilds have been joining us when we already occupying 100% of the map or pretty close to it most of the time. One guild said it was to practice, which I find it funny because who are they going to practice against when it is so hard to find Fergs or ET on the maps. If they really wanted to practice they would join the server who is in last place and help them instead of further give Kain a big advantage.

Its main functions is to stop spawn camping. Alot of spawn camping takes place against low pop servers, with opposing worlds building ballistas, arrow carts etc on a spawn point preventing any player from getting out. Considering their are no supplies in a spawn point it is pretty hard to fight against an army of spawn campers, ballistas, arrow carts, etc with no supplies to build siege.

Doomdesire.9365:

I challenge everyone who thinks glass cannon thieves are OP. Sincerely, a non glass cannon thief who has never been killed by them in a 1v1. Spvp, you name the date, ill be there

This is true. A non glass cannon thief usually has no problem killing a glass cannon thief. Once they wasted their burst because it was dodged they are done.

Also, kind of like that video posted about glass cannon thieves, it is definitly not a build for WVW. They will die more so than not. The only use they have is to kill one straggler in an open field. That is about it. How does that benefit in WVW?

How about if you are hiding behind a tree or any object where the entire body is actually being obstructed from the view of the other person then your name tag should disappear?

It would be nice if auto loot actually met auto loot. In other words, if you enable this option you should auto loot the items and automatically deposit to your bags and not still have to press F to pick up the items, if you can even find where they were actually dropped. If no room is available then it should alert you that it cannot auto loot because inventory is full.

As far as badge drops, it doesnt appear to be 100% for a solo kill of an enemy player , but it seems the more damage one person did to another player the higher the chance of a drop. If you just joined in late to kill someone it seems the chance of getting a badge drop is very low. At least that is what it seems for me, because I have no problem getting badges for my main class. The only issue for me is sometimes I leave them behind.

Stiv.1820:

Binafus.8153:

Thiefs are OP, I understand why Thiefs come here and post but it does not change the fact.

Thief are balanced at the higher level of skill cap along all professions. If you have constant trouble with them it just means you are a fairly low skill player. Tough to hear I know. The good news is, you can always get better!

Here are a couple tips.

1) Use your mouse to turn. I know the keyboard has been amazing to turn with since Doom but the mouse really is better

2) Bind your abilities to keys. Clicks has been awesome since Microsoft stole the mouse from Apple but sometimes going backwards is actually better. Weird I know. This going against #1 I know but just trust me.

3) Use the dodge ability. In this game you get a free ability that give you immunity to everything. It’s really weird. I recommend binding it to a key so you can do it faster, just in case you do use this but use the double tap method.

This is just the beginning. Spread your wings and fly!

Stiv your name seems familiar. Did you use to play SWTOR?

To stay on topic I agree with you 100%. People not using their defensive skills.

Eshei.6803:

People who lose to spamming heartseekers, deserve to die. Your timing on dodging is off so stop crying about it. There is no difference in a thief that spam heartseeker and the one crying about it. WHY? Both in my opinion are nubs, because they never took their time to play and learn their class properly. If you know how to play your class… heartseeker thieves are the easiest to beat in my book. Also for those who play it casually and just having fun… Obvious you guys aren’t the one crying about thieves spamming heartseeker. sarcasm.

First off you know thieves run on initiative, which mean, after spamming their heartseekers, their initiative eventually run out… they’ll become vulnerable and that is when you attack. Used any skills you can do daze, stun, knockdown and etc. But make sure you kill them before they hide in shadow and escape and always save your heals when 35-45% of health go down if he/she got through with heartseeker. In a one vs one situation, there is no way you could lose.

Most build is 30/30/0/0/10… So most likely their traits focus on dual weapons to do more damage, but no survivability traits at all. Which mean no regain initiative unless they used signet or roll for initiative which is useless for them if they trying to kill you since it create distance and it allow you to run away.

While in a big open field battle in WvWvW. Is there anything to warn you about? Because obvious there is no place for a heartseeker thief. =D

Now for backstab thieves. Most thieves rely on only one teleport skill, which is steal. So if you fight a backstab thief head on… just dodge to evade. I advise you to dodge backward because it create a distance. their steal can be up to 900-1200 range. So just dodge properly and you can turn the table. HOW? Because some thieves have the tendency of pop everything up for that one to three shot kills. Which can leave them vulnerable.

Pop in Basilisk (40-45 CD), Haste (60 CD), cloak and dagger (6 initiative), Steal, and backstab

So if you evade this… basilisk become useless and it’s on cool down… haste is on cool down… For them to cloak and daggers going to take 2-3 seconds… since they miss it… Boo yah, right in front of you is a thief that fail to backstab.

After a fail attempt for backstab and they go off your screen… most likely because of shadow return or Infiltrator signet. Which mean they’re on a different scale with backstab. But the method still work the same but on a bigger range.

If a thief got you from behind with backstab…

it is like… an ele ride the lightning and updraft then change to fire for burst damage that look like one shot kill too.

or a warrior that bull charge, knock you down, haste and hundred blade.

why I used an ele and a warrior? Because if they attack from behind with a knockdown… Feel like forever to get up and by the time you’re up… you’re down…

Hopefully this is somewhat a helpful hint to let you guys know… it’s not that hard to kill a thief that spec in one area. =D

I agree with the OP. Except one thing about roll for intiative, if you are chasing someone and to build initiave you do a bout face and then roll. This way you head in the same direction the person is running.

Most of the complainers are just noobs that quit every game they play when they fail to use any defensive tactics. So often than not I dont see people use any defensive skills They just want to build their character for all offense and then when they die in 3 hits they go vent in the forums. This was the same with AION. People complain that sorcs can just one shot everybody, but then when they try different gearing for magic resist they notice that alot of those attacks can be evaded.

The main issue is culling and not being able to see the thief that is the issue. People think the thief can hit you and stay stealth, which is not true. Its culling that makes you think that.

Um just transfer to the other server and then back? Oh and 100% world completion is not just a PVE goal, but WVWer have to spend much more time doing PVE world completion even if they dont want to, if they going for legendary weapon. So for the PVEer doing the WVW map completion it doesnt take much time at all.

Columba.9730:

Jeda.5209:

Being able to stealth and dodge is the thieves survivability. Without it they are completely useless. They dont have the health or toughness to survive. Considering anybody can dot/ aoe/ direct damage that would take stealth completely out of the game.

they aren’t completely useless without it. secondly, aoe rarely hits stealthed thieves.

AOE rarely hits stealth thieves? You must not have a thief.

StormWolf.7645:

There is no “Case”…I’m pretty sure everyone sees it’s obvious by now. The part that annoys me is I’ve been enjoying watching the T7 Match-up…and judging by what DR said last week, I’m afraid it’s gonna be unbalanced -AGAIN-. I -hate- imbalanced matches, they’re no fun for either party. All in all…I’m not really looking forward to WvW at all right now.

Note: I actually transferred to ET for the week to hang out with them and have fun instead of sitting in a Zerg constantly swarming. It was incredibly fun, the Griffon Revolution Army was formed and claimed multiple Keeps/Towers.

Its not balance because the rankings of servers is incorrect. When it was Dev, ferg and Kain we were all not tier 8 servers, but because we were fairly balance for a while we all got stuck here until Dev finally pushed up. Then look what they did to tier 7. The rankings of the servers is causing the imbalance currently. Once the servers are in the proper tier then we should see balance, hopefully. Yes, its not fun to be on either side right now, but the only way to move to a proper tier is by showing we belong in an upper tier. Dev jumped all the way to tier 6 by dominating tier 7 in the one week they were there.

Its fine the way it is. Not hard getting exotic gear anyway with all the karma you get in WVW. If anything WVW gear should be earned in WVW not grab your PVP gear that was earned in PVP and use it in WVW. PVP and WVW are separate and not everyone does both.

Kodiack.2783:

Come to think about it.

GW2 is the first MMO I’ve played that has a stealth class , with no stealth detection mechanic available to counter stealth kitten

so yea.. the current mechanics behind stealth are a gamebreaker for some.

-K

Must have not played Aion. The equiavalent to thief is the Assassin. You couldnt detect them and they can stealth for like 5minutes.

SWTOR had two stealth classes. Both classes could stealth for long periods of time and one did enormous damage out of stealth.

The stealth class is a ganker class. People who play it preferably like ganking. There main damage is to a single target as they have little to no aoe. It has always been a popular class and is why it is carried over from one MMO to the next. Your friends leaving because of 1 class, my guess is they were going to leave anyway. Usually, the people that stay playing a game are the hardcore MMO. Your friends sound like the same people who would have quit AION, or SWTOR or any MMO where they get ganked. If you think ganking is bad in WVW because of the thief you should have played AION or TERA in a PVP server. At least in GW2 you dont have to PVP if you dont want to unlike AION or TERA (PVP server). If you join WVW and upset about being ganked you shouldnt because its part of WVW. They have the option to not join WVW.

I’ve gotten exactly 1 exotic drop for killing a player and I’m always in WVW with tons of kills.

Being able to stealth and dodge is the thieves survivability. Without it they are completely useless. They dont have the health or toughness to survive. Considering anybody can dot/ aoe/ direct damage that would take stealth completely out of the game.

People use overpowered when they dont know how to beat a class and then ask in the forums how to beat them.

Figure it out. Thieves can die pretty easy. Do you go and tell people how to beat you?

Most theives are glass cannon thieves anyway. Which means its not going to take alot to kill them. Heck Glass Cannon theives have what 11K health.

Put a group of 10 warriors or 10 guardians who know what they doing they will destroy 10 Glass Cannon theives.

Draygo.9473:

I dont consider it good when one server has 100% of the map.

I have a sad instead.

Its good when you are trying to make a case to move up a tier.

100% map. Good job Kain!!

Iavra.8510:

So unless if i steal the ability from another thief that is the only way I can dagger storm and then dagger storm again.

Stealing from thiefs grants you another stealth. Usually you will want to steal from warriors (whirling axe) but nearly every other profession gives a good situation-dependant skill.

http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Steal/Creature

Ah ok. Thought it was the thief that provided that steal skill.

Brutality.9631:

I know there’s a 0% ratio of non-cookie cutter thieves on the servers we’ve played so far this month, but does anyone play one without spam elite skill/exploit 99% stealth glitch?

I don’t mind em personally, stance warrior crush 100% of em to date, but it’s sad seeing them wipe friendly teams with barely even enough tactic to push ⁰.

Looking forward to seeing a build that isn’t this! My guildie uses one but I don’t think he’d want me burning it out. Let’s hear em.

Oh yeah, if we could get that stealth glitch fixxed so thieves stop trolling my servermates with dat weak exploit, that’d be great!

Spamming dagger storm? What are you talking about? It is used for breaking up zergs and pushing them back and it has a cd. So unless if i steal the ability from another thief that is the only way I can dagger storm and then dagger storm again.

I like the way it is currently. Especially, for the server im in where sometimes we dont have numbers to do anything. So soloing a camp is good. If i have to wait around for 3 to 10 people to show up as some suggested to take a camp I can tell you we would hardly ever have supplies for anything.

KensaiZen.3740:

The only gripe I have about the bonuses is that the people who get them do not benefit from them.

The people who have to constantly WvW spend time and money in WvW and do not PvE often. Those that do PvE never help WvW.

To gain higher points so that the benefits get better, people have to sacrifice time to WvW. On Servers like FoW where there is a enormous population that do only PvE and reap the benefits of WvW folks efforts is quite sickening.

Absolutely ridiculous way they have designed the bonuses. Do WvW and get no rewards to get bonuses for people who do not help you….. yeah that sounds about right.

How do you know the bonuses affect only PVE? I know one thing my HP went up while in WVW because of the bonus that was up.

Actually looking forward to this next week in tier 8 if we get somebody other than Dev. It would nice to see some balance again. It would also help & test Dev as well and not being able to just overwhelm their opponent with numbers.