i am frudoo,a forum warrior, an expert wvw analyst, and a closet fanboy of Jade Quarry server.
So the New dungeon name is called “FOTM?”
Subtle ArenaNet. Very Subtle.
i am frudoo,a forum warrior, an expert wvw analyst, and a closet fanboy of Jade Quarry server.
Actually I disagree with that.
I bought into a philosophy and dev design. That is why I preperchased the game. Now the bait and switch me and what I do now is look at the game critically.
Most of orr is a mess DE’s glitched and bugged – the design itself isnt fun but annoying.
Dungeons are bad and no fun – offer very little reward for time/suffering
WvW is a mess cause of the hacking and transfers and culling.
Spvp is unbalanced and badSO while I was willing to overlook these things because I believed in Anet and keep going that no longer stands. Which leaves this question is it worth playing anymore?
So original. Tell you what put this post in the 7500 similar thread whiner like you have posted and it will blend in just fine.
i am frudoo,a forum warrior, an expert wvw analyst, and a closet fanboy of Jade Quarry server.
You know whats funny? The person you are replying to is actually saying the same thing as you. He is supporting the change becaue he thinks ppl have ran out of things to do so anet added a new tier, which is not their fault and theyre merely doin what they think is best.
What makes you think I agree with them? Context is key my friend.
Maybe you should read b4 you repl, yes?
Right back at you mate.
Not your friend, but ok.
I see the fact that they are introducing a new tier of gear so ppl will have more things to do isnt a fact that indicate they are having problem keeping players, i might have to point out that nearly all lower lvl zone except queensdale have very few players doning event which means theyre hardly getting new players, at least not enough so hey can stick to the agenda and leave the gear tier as it is.
i am frudoo,a forum warrior, an expert wvw analyst, and a closet fanboy of Jade Quarry server.
Sales aren’t meeting their expectation.
I don’t know where people are getting this idea that the game isn’t selling, when every measure out there says it is still doing great. The game is consistently in the top 10 pc games sold on Amazon, often top 5 and the UK PC sales charts it is #4 this week and top 5 on Greenmangaming.com. And that is with a ‘tun’ of new games out and coming out in the next week+, from Football Manager to Hitman, AC3, N4S Most Wanted, Halo 4, Darksiders II and Black Ops 2, not to mention XCOM: EU, Borderlands 2, Dishonored and Torchlight 2 all still selling very well. It is a crowded field, and GW2 is doing great, it’s outselling the new WoW expansion on every list above as well and if it was on Steam it’d have been top 10 every week for the last 2.5 months.
Bro, you want an evidence why this game ISN"T doing great?
I happen to have a ton.
But here, I’ll just give you one, because I have said this times and times again but people dont seem to listen.
If the game is doing FINE, everything is all well and good, Anet isn’t losing players rapidly, why are they going back on their words and introduce a new tier of armor with better stats?
Because they want to pizz off the majority to cater the minority?
No.
Because they’re not doing fine. Because the actual majority is getting bored.
Other wise, they would not have made this change, would they?PS. If they’re selling so well, it’s probably because people heard about the new expansion.
Cool story bro. Can I have facts with that? New content is new content, and new stuff comes with new content. This new gear isn’t going to be impossible to get.
It’s not legendary tier, which is entirely cosmetic.
It’s really not a departure from their design philosophy at all. It’s a new set of armor. This new gear isn’t a carrot you can’t reach.
It’ll be relatively sane to get. If it isn’t, you may have a point then. I however trust Anet’s unblemished track record in that regard.
Many folks are already level 80, something Anet didn’t expect much of it’s community to get around to so fast. Ergo, new content for you. You should be happy!
Instead, you and other folks like you, are always ever wary of Anet as though they’ve already done some barely forgivable thing.
And so you’re cautiously watching and carefully scrutinizing every little thing they do.
Relax.
How about we wait for the content to actually come out before we get the pitchforks and torches? Maybe?
The rest of the folks I know are pretty pumped for this new release so soon after launch. I’m sure we’ll see you in game.
You know whats funny? The person you are replying to is actually saying the same thing as you. He is supporting the change becaue he thinks ppl have ran out of things to do so anet added a new tier, which is not their fault and theyre merely doin what they think is best.
Maybe you should read b4 you repl, yes?
i am frudoo,a forum warrior, an expert wvw analyst, and a closet fanboy of Jade Quarry server.
My guild has over 400 members. All I’ve seen in game are people excited about the new dungeon and people debating whether or not infusions mean the mursaat are about to make a comeback.
People in LA map chat and dungeon pugs are playing as normal. The only place I’ve seen hysterical rage about the patch is on these forums.
Plus they’ve already said there will not be a new tier of gear every 3 months, there will only be Ascended and Legendaries added. It’s not a gear treadmill.
They have said before that exotics would be the highest stat tier, that the game wasn’t about collecting stronger gear, etc.
They backtracked on that, how do I know they won’t backtrack on this new statement either?
That is the problem of backtracking on fundamental core principles, whatever you say next about philosophies and whatnot is meaningless.
We won’t know if the Ascended gear are going to be stronger until it actually comes out. As far as I’m concerned, it is a set of armor that’s actually worse than exotic because it is incapable of carrying rune set bonus. It is meant to be use as something of a gating gear for the new type of dungeon, which consisted 9 mini dungeon within the dungeon itself.
Do continue to speculate though. I’ve done my part and I’m now going back to the game. Hanging about forum is against my philosophy. Next time my brother wants me to do it I’ll just let him use my account.
We don’t know?
They show a Ascendant counter part to exotics that has higher stats and it has the jewels stats as inherent bonuses, just Higher.
They say legendaries will be upgraded to reflect ascendant stats, since legendary are to remain the bis.
They say ascendant is a new tier to bridge exotic and legendary.
What else do you need?
Do you need to be shot to know a bullet will hurt?
Not even going to bother with this weak post.
The fact that you missed the crucial part of the screenshot – which is lack of rune set bonus on those ascended gears – makes you unworthy of response. No one knows whats gonna go in those infusion slot yet. We only know Ascended gears have better base stats. Does that make them better? who knows? Are you a dev?
And you dare to call it ‘a reality’ when nothing is set and nothing has actually come out? You call it a reality when you don’t know what sort of change this mechanic – which you know nothing about besides the fact it has higher stat – going to bring to GW 2 ? Are you a prophet?
I’m done. I’m not gonna sit here and reply to everyone who couldn’t be bothered to double check the screenshot and shot down every whine-bot I ever come across. The forum is filled to the brim with the likes of you.
Go on, spend your day saying the same thing over and over again. Huddle around each other like the worlds ending and your the last of the mankind that’s carrying a dying fire. To an outsider, you are all just whiners anyway.
You just want mayhem. You want to be a part of something big so you use this as an excuse to make yourself feel like a part of something. For the past 3 days nearly EVERY single post is made to protest against the new change, with the same set of excuse repeating over and over again. Then there’s people who makes post like "I don’t feel motivated anymore’ in order to receive some free hug. How is that any different than those 18 century people who calls for witch-hunt as soon as they see some bush rustle? I pray to whatever that’s divine that none of you are actually as primitive as that.
Have a nice think about it. And good night.
i am frudoo,a forum warrior, an expert wvw analyst, and a closet fanboy of Jade Quarry server.
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For one who is saying everyone is taking things out of context, you are making some pretty outlandish assumptions based on very little yourself.
You keep claiming the new gear will not have rune slots, which means the gear will be inherently inferior. Last I checked, you can’t put runes in rings or back pieces. You can only put gems. The only thing ArenaNet has announced at this point is rings or back pieces. Can you put gems in them? No. BUT, what did ArenaNet do to compensate? They gave the rings and back pieces stats equivalent to an exotic with a gem inside of it, plus some, making it statistically SUPERIOR to exotic gear. We can assume that if and when exotic armor pieces do come out, and not just accessories, they will do the exact same thing. Imagine sets like in other MMOs or dungeon crawlers: The runes will be built into the gear as set bonuses, rather than as a slot you fill yourself, and then it will have the infusion slot on top of that. Of course, that is speculation, but evidence that is apparent in the blog post that you seem to have not read suggests this is more accurate than your speculation.
Additionally, that blog post you seem to have not read pretty explicitly states that ascended is a tier between exotic and legendary. It IS better. They even said that since Legendary is statistically on par with exotic at this point, they will retroactively buff legendaries to be statistically on par with ascended when ascended weapons come out, because they need to maintain being “the best.” I’m not sure why you keep saying everyone else’s speculation is unfounded, when yours is more delusional than the rest.
Shrug *
Shoot me for trying to reduce the panic.
Continue Hating and crying and whining and thinking everything is gonna be gear grind and posting a bunch of thing that has been said over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over again.
Nothing you ever said has been relatively original.
This is like WoW. This is like Swtor. This is like some every MMO I have ever played. Everyone of your little niche repeat this over and over and over and over and over and over and over again like some drone, because for some reason you actually thing having played many MMO is a good thing and you want to list them all.
Not one of you stopped to give Anet a little benefit of the doubt. Not one of you is willing to consider the possibility that things will not be as bad as you presume, and in reality, what are you basing everything on? 3 Screenshots. About some gear you have never seen before, with slots that you don’t even know what goes in there.
Weak.
If those ring are indeed overpowering, there are plenty of time to reduce the stats later. Same with the gears. Future is never in concrete, but the fact that you are complaining so much before the thing come out just make you seem that much more irrational.
How about lets both of us stop speculating, shut up, and wait for the content to come out, and then we can decide to get our pitchforks out or not? If those gear indeed break the game and induces a megaton of gear grind, and Anet keep rolling these out every month like you presume, I’ll be standing by your side screaming for changes. If not, then you owe me a beer.
i am frudoo,a forum warrior, an expert wvw analyst, and a closet fanboy of Jade Quarry server.
I have posted this in another thread, but in hopes for more people reading it, I have make it a thread starter on its on.As someone who rarely post and visit forum, I want this to illuminate how an outsider views all these bickering, useless whining that is generated by the forum community.
This post is directed at the people who are worried/ complaining/ angry about the Ascended gear that’s coming out, at the people who cry about being lied to and at the people who wants to boycott gem purchase and events because they think Anet is introducing a treadmill.
Lemme ask you something first.
Are you one of the devs? Because unless you are one, then everything you have stated are pure speculation. You don’t actually know what this ‘other reward’ they’re giving you in the future is, and you just assume its more gear with better stats for you to grind . Nor do you know if they are actually basing the reward on replicating a treadmill (which would be stupid, as they have already stated in the same post that they aren’t going to roll out a better set of gear every 3 month in their post)
Everything you see wrong, everything you are scared that might happen, are merely produced by a lack of faith on your part. You panicked – like I did – when you saw a new tier coming out. You immediately assumed Anet has abandoned its core philosophy, which might not be the case. And its been 3 days. 7000 posts have been created. Time to get over it.
This is exactly why I hate coming to this forum particularly as of now.
Everything everyone says are all speculation. They are twisting the developers word into something far more sinister, in hopes to induce mayhem so they could find belongings within a larger crowd. Everything feels like the mob effect to me.
Nothing the dev said ever indicated a gear treadmill. In fact, they have continuously assure you that it is not their intention to created a treadmill, but you refuse to believe because you think you have been lied to.
Once again, I’m just going to say this.
You need to wake up.
Nothing is concrete yet. Think about what you actually know.
Do you actually know the ascended gears are better than Exotic? Do you actually know how the agony buff is going to work? Do you actually know anything about the new gating mechanic, about the new dungeon, about infusion and how it is going to work?
Nope.
You only have 3 screenshots, which actually tells very little about what is coming and can be misinterpreted and misleading depends on how you view these screenshot. You don’t even know what infusion look like. Whining about a mechanic is one thing, whining about something that you know nothing about, and isn’t even out yet, is downright ridiculous.
And when there are so many people crying on forum about something they don’t even know about, something they only speculate what its going to be without knowing what they’re actually getting, The community seems disgusting, and ridiculous, and childish, and whiny.
And pathetic.
I hope you read everything, don’ t get offended, and hopefully take it as something of a critical criticism of the way forum has been the past few days- though you probably won’t. I have very little faith in forum goers these-adays.
I will not be replying this thread. I’m done. If you like it bump it. If you don’t, see if I care. At the end of the day, it seems to me everything is pure whine on these forums anyway and the rare, constructive posts always gets drowned in angry tears.
i am frudoo,a forum warrior, an expert wvw analyst, and a closet fanboy of Jade Quarry server.
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actually read the 2 blogposts
They will release new infusions at least and they have planned other “rewards” (in their dictionary rewards = grinding gear).
They stated exactly they are basing the game on a trendmill exactly…
Are you one of the devs? Because unless you are one, then everything you have stated are pure speculation. You don’t actually know what this ‘other reward’ is. Nor do you know if they are actually basing the reward on replicating a treadmill (which would be stupid, as they have already stated in the same post that they aren’t going to roll out a better set of gear every 3 month in their post)
Everything you see wrong, everything you are scared that might happen, are merely produced by a lack of faith on your part. You panicked – like I did – when you saw a new tier coming out. You immediately assumed Anet has abandoned its core philosophy, which might not be the case.
This is exactly why I hate coming to this forum particularly as of now.
Everything everyone says are all speculation. They are twisting the developers word into something far more sinister, in hopes to induce mayhem so they could find belongings within a larger crowd. Everything feels like the mob effect to me.
Nothing the dev said ever indicated a gear treadmill. In fact, they have continuously assure you that it is not their intention to created a treadmill, but you refuse to believe because you think you have been lied to.
Once again, I’m just going to say this.
You need to wake up.
Nothing is concrete yet. Think about what you actually know.
Do you actually know the ascended gears are better than Exotic? Do you actually know how the agony buff is going to work? Do you actually know anything about the new gating mechanic, about the new dungeon, about infusion and how it is going to work?
Nope.
You only have 3 screenshots, which actually tells very little about what is coming and can be misinterpreted and misleading depends on how you view these screenshot. You don’t even know what infusion look like. Whining about a mechanic is one thing, whining about something that you know nothing about, and isn’t even out yet, is downright ridiculous.
And when there are so many people crying on forum about something they don’t even know about, something they only speculate what its going to be without knowing what they’re actually getting, The community seems disgusting, and ridiculous, and childish, and whiny.
And pathetic.
I hope you read everything, don’ t get offended, and hopefully take it as something of a critical criticism of the way forum has been the past few days- though you probably won’t. I have very little faith in forum goers these-adays.
i am frudoo,a forum warrior, an expert wvw analyst, and a closet fanboy of Jade Quarry server.
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My guild has over 400 members. All I’ve seen in game are people excited about the new dungeon and people debating whether or not infusions mean the mursaat are about to make a comeback.
People in LA map chat and dungeon pugs are playing as normal. The only place I’ve seen hysterical rage about the patch is on these forums.
Plus they’ve already said there will not be a new tier of gear every 3 months, there will only be Ascended and Legendaries added. It’s not a gear treadmill.
They have said before that exotics would be the highest stat tier, that the game wasn’t about collecting stronger gear, etc.
They backtracked on that, how do I know they won’t backtrack on this new statement either?
That is the problem of backtracking on fundamental core principles, whatever you say next about philosophies and whatnot is meaningless.
We won’t know if the Ascended gear are going to be stronger until it actually comes out. As far as I’m concerned, it is a set of armor that’s actually worse than exotic because it is incapable of carrying rune set bonus. It is meant to be use as something of a gating gear for the new type of dungeon, which consisted 9 mini dungeon within the dungeon itself.
Do continue to speculate though. I’ve done my part and I’m now going back to the game. Hanging about forum is against my philosophy. Next time my brother wants me to do it I’ll just let him use my account.
i am frudoo,a forum warrior, an expert wvw analyst, and a closet fanboy of Jade Quarry server.
“I think I have heard 3 people talking about how bad gear progression is, but before I could point out that there isn’t going to be a treadmill at all, just a new tier of gear which is more or less the same with exotic, the map chat started laughing at their ignorance.”
So you all called them idiots since fairly clearly posted this is the first of many tiers to be added for fearing more tiers being added?
I. . . ? What? Are we both speaking english.
Brother’s banned. Posting for him atm.
I don’t know if this actually happened ( I’m not my brother, though I tend to believe him ) but I’m pretty sure Anet never said Ascended gear is the first of many tier. What they have said is that the newly released Ascended gear will be the first of its kind, and they’re planning to add more Ascended gear in the future, which will “likely” to have similar stat, just like all exotic have similar stats, but on a different tier.
I also fairly certain that Anet has stated they are not going to roll out better gear every 3 month. If you want to doubt their words, that’s your cupcake. I for one, don’t.
Exactly, Kana.
Most people actually are excited – if not, indifferent – to Ascended gears.
These people are the reason why Anet went ahead with the changes.
Because Forum is actually not the majority.
It reflects only endless repost-ing of a faction of Gw1 purist that wants Gw2 to be exactly like 1, which isn’t actually the opinion of the real “majority”.
facts suggest most people do not agree.
Do you have any fact to support yur theory?
And no Anet saying it is not a proof consider they also told we wouldn t get any gear trendmill.On the contrary you can log and hear a general unhappiness….of people discussing the issue….even those who doesn t post on forums
EDIT: A Gear Treadmill means that new and better gear will be continuously created with every single expansion. Since this is only the first time it happened, I feel that it is still too early to call it a treadmill. You may call it a start of a treadmill, but until the treadmill actually moves, it is not going to be one.
In this regard, Anet actually kept their words. They haven’t created a treadmill yet. And if they haven’t done it just yet, I would believe their word when they say they aren’t going to do it every 3 month. (hence, creating a treadmill. What they have done is added one ‘final tier’ in between Exotic and Legendary, and it is going to be the final tier. Now if they actually go and add another tier in 3 month called the “Superior Ascended Gear”, then I would be getting my pitchfork out. Somehow I dont think they are. )
But maybe that’s just me. Like I said, if you want to doubt their words, that’s your cupcake. Unlike my brother, I really don’t care what the average forum goer thinks. At the end of the day it is all just whine anyway.
I only do this because my brother wants me to clear up some thing in this post for him so he can sleep better.
i am frudoo,a forum warrior, an expert wvw analyst, and a closet fanboy of Jade Quarry server.
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Showatt – You are presenting a very logical answer as to why ANet are doing what they are doing, however I disagree with a few of your points, as you will probably disagree with mine.
ANet lack a fundamental feedback tool – a PTS or whatever you may call it. Their decisions are based on feedback here – on the forums – and other sources such as in-game bug reports, comments on social media, comments in the gaming press etc.
Therefore the decision they make is what they feel is best. Will they change this patch release? Not a chance. Have they taken the right step? Only time will tell.
I personally am both opposed and in support of this patch.
I support that they have addressed the huge gap in time/luck/whatever between Exotic and Legendary which may also help the current situation with pre-cursors.
I oppose that the Exotic sets that so many of us (i’m not going to say community) have worked hard to get, be it through grinding Karma, crafting or buying the items from the TP in the belief that ANet would not introduce another tier of gear, are possibly becoming obsolete.
The one screenshot we have, of the Ring, shows what I would call a significant increase in all three stats on the item. Nowhere does it suggest that this is usable only in the new area. If they get this much negative feedback about a ring – an item that was specifically chosen for display by ANet – I dread to think what the rest of the Ascended set items will bring us.
My brother wants me to tell you that he actually agrees with some of your points, but he also wants you to know that – like he has stated before – there are plenty of other ways to gather feedback. He knows this from studying user experience design, and these methods of feedback are conducted by the company, and they are not given to the mass for very obvious reason. (People calling BS and such. Other company might gain critical intel through these reports)
Again you only need to Google search User Experience Design to see some of the popular test game developers/ enterprise use to evaluate their product. These methods are less time consuming, cheaper and more accurate because the test subject chosen most likely have no prior knowledge of the game, so their opinion is 100% neutral. Now what kind of method Anet uses, no one knows.
However, since we both play the game ( I dont frequent forum as much though) I feel like I can give you some assurance on this matter:
1. I"m pretty sure your exotic will not become obsolete. You are still likely to have more stat with the rune bonus on your set, though I’m not 100% certain whether infusion will be more powerful or not, I’m willing to give Anet the benefit of the doubt.
2. On the off chance that Ascended Armor is actually better than exotic in every area, you will probably spend just as much time you have spent grinding for skins, as exotic gear – contrary to what most people believe – are really, really easy to get. In fact if you have been level 80 for a week and still not wearing full exotic (don’t have to match) something is wrong.
3. Anet has stated the Ascended Armor merely seek to shorten the gap and create some versatility to future dungeons. It is not the beginning of a treadmill, and even though more may be added, they will all be the same. My brother said that “the new dungeon” actually consist of 9 mini dungeon (9 paths), which is similar to a raid (though not in the same number of players involved as traditional MMO) and the Ascended Armor is serving as a Raid Gear. If you look at it that way, then getting this new tier of gear is actually a good thing
There will be more looks for future gear. More variety to gear up your character. Dungeons will be more versatile. The only downside to this is that player may have to grind for 1 more set of armor, which I expect to be no more difficult than getting your exotic gear.
From my point of view, the good that this patch bring clearly outweighs the bad
The only reason why everyone seem to be whining is because they don’t understand the system well enough and thought that this is going to be the start of a treadmill -which most likely isn’t – and they felt betrayed.
The only issue I see with the new patch is the way Anet is handling it. I personally feel that the devs are doing a poor job explaining the benefit of this new tier brings. When I first read the blog i was angry too, but after my brother explained what it likely is going to be to me I am actually excited now to see this change implanted.
PS. My brother is Showatt and – to no one’s surprised I’m sure – he has been suspended for vigorous posting.
EDIT. I only wish people would try to understand this change occur and maintain their faith that Anet will make good of their promise this time, as they have only broken their promise out of necessity. That’s how I see it anyway.
i am frudoo,a forum warrior, an expert wvw analyst, and a closet fanboy of Jade Quarry server.
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