Guild Wars 2

Geotherma.2395:

LOCO.1785:

Geotherma.2395:

Meanwhile in GW2..

LIES!

The player base is declining!!

I heard it on the internet so it must be true!!!

Duh, how else would we know everything? I’m just glad Oprah invented it when she did, where would we be now without it.

Gestankfaust.4216 is right- Al Gore invented the internet

Oprah invented bad-mouthing-the-people-from-the-country-that-made-her-filthy-rich-and-making-girls’ schools-in-other-countries-to-make-herself-look-good-instead-of-making-positive-changes-in-the-country-that-gave-her-tons-of-money-which-is-a-disgusting-cop-out-that-is-characteristic-of-stupid-celebrities.

Claw of Jormag
Shatterer
Tequatal the Sunless

25 more Dragons needed please

just for the players to have fun…not like their drop/chests haven’t been nerfed to hell… give us more dragons to have fun killing and make the encounters new and different.

Thanks!

HEADSHOT.9782:

I just made an Elementalist and I have been enjoying him a lot. But I also have a Guardian at level 45 and want to get him to 80. Should I main my Elementalist and come back to my Guardian later or stick with the Guardian to level 80?

If you have Ele down and understand the build at level 80 and are willing to die a lot- then stick with Ele

Otherwise, get Guardian to 80 and learn all the dungeons and do some 100% zone clears so you can easily gear up your Ele… an undergeared Ele is a lot worse than an undergeared Guardian.

I have both Guardian and Ele at 80 and love playing them both, but the Ele sure was more frustrating until i got better gear and switched builds several times.

Guardian is easier but both Ele and Guardian are great fun, imo

thanks for making the poll!

I have several 80’s but my Charr Guardian is the best geared…so far I’m the only one lol

Swimsasa Stoon.8936:

Hiya, so I am perfecting my D/D healing+boon elementalist. Am one rune short of perfection.
I run a cantrip based build 10/0/10/30/20 since you’ll be speccing alot into healing power your damage output will be lower thus you need might to do more damage. With 10 in fire and choosing the cantrip thing you can stack up about 15 might easy which doubles my damage and more than quadruples my condition damage.
I sacrificed the air atunement thing because the D/D already has great mobility and I was willing to sacrifice it for the ability to spike people without losing survivability.

You’ll also be needing alot of toughness, protection buff and healing signet. These three things keep your health between 90 and 100% through most battles. Only glass cannon spikes and a group of 6 experienced players can bring me down.

May I also not that you’ll be running with 5-7 different boons on you which with one of the trait things in water will give you 10-14% more damage. I then also run with sigil of force which gives me 10% more dmg.

For runes I’m trying to get 2 major runes of the sanctuary, I already have 2 superior runes of the monk and 2 superior runes of water for max boonduration since it is mostly the boons that will keep you alive and not just the 900 healing power.

You can take out the thaumanova reactor fire elemental with this build. Just stay in the water atunement and the auto attack will keep you alive. Can also take down champions and groups of veterans solo without health dropping below 95%.

I hope this will give you enough hope to spec into healing because most of the healing you do will also be shared with all your nearby allies…..

Imagine what it’d be like if multiple elementalists all with boon-sharring, aura-sharing and healing each other would be able to run through…

What were all your trait and skill choices that you went with? (do you have a link for your build?)

Thank you for your effort and for this post.

I, for one, love to see this from players and hope to see more posts improving and improving for players who have taken extreme steps to achieve the highest limits in this game.

Esplen.3940:

When did I say Lost Shores?

I didn’t think you said anything about it. Were you happy with it?

I’d rather see Anet promote value and a great game than making money in the short run using the same tired old tactics that WalMart and other retailers use- to make a quick buck.

You’re saying Anet should not try to be better than that? you’re happy with the company that makes your MMORPG using cheap marketing tactics?

I’m not. I’m sorry but we just disagree.

Esplen.3940:

Mahaedros.7085:

I just feel like my revolutionary MMORPG that I bought before it was released last August has changed it’s toon so dramatically lately.

I do not want to see more one day events or one day sales.

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I do not want to see more one day / limited time events or offerings.

Because Wintersday and Halloween were both one day events where you HAD to login to get your special items, like in GW1.

Oh wait, no, they have a week and a half where you can redeem the special items.

yup

Did you like the one day lost shores event? Anet said they made a mistake with it and they made other mistakes. So you’re defending Anet when they admitted that they were wrong? You think the errors that Anet said they were sorry for making are okay?

Anet isn’t even saying that what they have done was the best choice in many situations. And even though Anet admitted that they were wrong and should have done things differently, you are saying that they did not do anything wrong and that they should do it again the same way? Even when Anet says they won’t do it the same way again, you think that they should do it the same way?

I’m sorry but I don’t want to just accept any old thing put before me. I had high expectations for this game because of the promises Anet made before the game was released. I’m not happy nor am I satisfied with the way things are, especially some of the recent decisions.

I would love to be a loyal customer that buys gems from the gem store. As of now, it appears they would rather employ the marketing tactics so commonly found in retail stores instead of promoting the value of GW2 and ensuring that they foster loyalty in their core fan base.

I’m not happy with this tactic. You are?

John Smith.4610:

It takes money to make money essentially.

Without a doubt

Steam is a different type of company than Arenanet.

I bought Guild Wars2. It was created by Arenanet I hold them to a higher standard than WalMart or other retailers- including Steam.

I don’t have any problem with someone getting or having something that I can’t have.
I do have a problem with an MMORPG company focused more on short term cash acquisition than it is on providing a valuable and superior product.

I don’t feel cheated. I would simply rather see more integrity from the company that runs this game.

Astraea.6075:

Colbear.6425:

Do you think the Steam flash sales over the last few weeks were “cheap, sleazy, under-handed, manipulative”? Some of them only lasted for six hours.

According to the OP, any sales promotion with a limited duration is “cheap, sleazy, under-handed, manipulative”. All sales must last forever, otherwise the seller is engaging in the “Take Away” selling technique.

Seriously, I read up on the “Take Away” technique, and the definition is extremely broad. It even includes putting expiration dates on coupons.

I never said all sales must last forever.

Go to a used car lot or a furniture store and witness the Take Away being practiced in all it’s glory…or just watch an informercial.

If you had your choice, would you want your MMORPG company to provide value and instill loyalty in their player base because the game they made was good and well maintained and bug free? Or would you buy a game and play it based on the sales tactics that the company uses to make a quick buck?

Just because companies use sleazy marketing techniques on a regular basis does not mean we have to settle for it and say it’s okay for our MMORPG.

I really like playing MMORPGs. I feel that the companies that make MMORPGs would benefit tremendously from providing value for their loyal fan base rather than using the marketing tactics other companies use, in order to make a buck in the short term.

Steam did not make an MMORPG that I bought after the company that made the MMORPG said it was going to be a different and revolutionary experience. WalMart did not make the MMORPG I bought either…nor did Target or the Gap or any other sleazy retailer that has no problem screwing over anyone from their employees to their customers.

What do you think about Steam? They’ve certainly generated a lot of hype and maybe even profit with their limited time duration discount sales. Ask yourself if the people who buy these games at a discount would have paid full price for the game. Same goes for the cash shop- if you want to pay for something and the lower price is the determining factor, why make it only available for a brief time?

that’s the “Take Away”

Sure every major retailer employs this manipulative practice.

I don’t want to see it in the MMORPG I play.

You are fine with it?

The lost shores event was for one day only. Besides yourself, how do you think this event was received?

The company is starting to sell things at a discount for one 24 hour period.
Why are they doing this?

Just because other retailers employ this tactic does not make it anything other than “cheap, sleazy, under-handed, manipulative.”

From the beginning, Arenanet said that this game was not one were you were forced to log on every day. Now they are putting up events(EVENTS) and sales that only last 24 hours. They emphasized that the absence of a monthly subscription as a reason that players could play the game whenever they felt like playing and they would not be missing out if they continued to play other MMORPG’s and only played GW2 when they felt like playing.

The tactic you are defending has a specific term: “the take away” you can look it up.

Why doesn’t Arenanet emphasize the value of the items in the cash shop? Instead, they make them available for a limited time only to lure suckers into buying something they feel will not be available in the future (at least for the same price).

Would you criticize Arenanet if they made all the items for sale the entire weekend? Do you think they made more money by offering the items for only 24 hours?

If you made an MMORPG exactly the way you wanted, would you try to manipulate the players to spend cash by cheap marketing tactics, or would you try to provide the best product and service possible?

John Smith.4610:

Astraea.6075:

Rakuren Kenshou.7689:

My guess is that it would probably be very similar to real world economics, where 1% of the people own 99% of the wealth.

If they start posting confirmations on this, we’ll end up with an “occupy wall street” movement in game. Players flooding the trading post in protest. Players refusing to buy/sell materials until changes are made to the game. Huge market crashes as the wealthy players try to offload everything they own in response. Chaos.

While there will be some superficial similarities, I seriously doubt the wealth inequality in game will mirror real world inequality as there are a number of factors that drive inequality in real economies that don’t exist in-game

For example, in the real world, having wealth enables you to create/find rent-seeking (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rent_seeking) opportunities that don’t exist in this virtual economy. As a result, those who have already wealth in this game are generally not able to use that wealth to prevent others from gaining wealth.

You are correct. There are several good reasons why wealth distributions in game don’t mimic the US Economy.
Another reason is that the growth of wealth is exponential in many developed economies, where it’s closer to logarithmic in GW2.

The entire set of reasons would be a very interesting discussion…Well for me at least

John Smith, thank you for your participation in this discussion. I can’t tell you how happy I am that you provide information to us regarding the virtual economy of this game. I find this topic fascinating.

If you have time, would you please elaborate on this statement "Another reason is that the growth of wealth is exponential in many developed economies, where it’s closer to logarithmic in GW2. "

Aren’t most developed countries considered lucky if their growth is a few percentage points a year? Would you describe the growth of the BRIC countries as exponential?

I guess I understand exponential growth in the field of Biology, but I don’t understand what you mean by it with regards to the economies of countries that you mentioned above.

Thanks in advance for your response.

Astraea.6075:

A retailer having a sale for a limited period is a “scumbag practice” and “cheap manipulative tactic”?

Words fail me…

Yes. Why wouldn’t you want a business to sell you something because it has value rather than using a cheap marketing tactic?

You’re just a consumer bereft of any independent ability to think and you feel the corporations are great and the actions they take are find and dandy?

Charismatic Harm.9683:

The “shady” tactics that they use may be the same ones that other retailers use….and there’s a reason for it. THEY WORK!!!!

They play on human nature. They play on the fact that people think they’re getting some kind of deal on something and are willing hand over money to get in on that deal.

I don’t condone the decisions of a business simply because “THEY WORK!!!!” to trick people into spending money.

Wouldn’t you rather see a business provide a valuable service to their consumers rather than “…play on human nature”?

I’m just not a consumer who will buy what is set before them hook, line and sinker.

I want better options and I am willing to post on these forums to express my dissatisfaction with the way things are being handled recently.

Consumers are sheep and take what they get and like it.

I love the game that I play but I think someone other than the devs are making it a shady cash grab at every opportunity. You can easily review recent history with regards to GW2 and see for yourself the new direction that is happening with the game.

I don’t like it and I am going to express my dissatisfaction with it on these forums. The company that makes the MMORPG I play is not a scumbag retail chain that tries every cheap tactic it can to make a nickel. Or at least they told us they weren’t before the game was released.

I don’t like what Anet has been doing since November 15th and I’m going to express my dissatisfaction about it on these forums.

Charismatic Harm.9683:

Anet used a sale tactic employed by nearly EVERY retailer to generate business. Good for them. They made money. You do realize that they’re in it to make a profit….right? You also realize that there’s no subscription to play this game, so they need to make their money somewhere…..right? To complain about not being able to purchase items on sale that you DON’T NEED to play the game is kind of ridiculous.

I don’t care what every retailer does to generate business. i don’t want to see these scumbag practices in MMORPGs.

You’re content and happy with it, okay. I’m not.

I’d like to see Anet’s integrity return instead of the decisions they’ve announced in the last few months.

During the open beta weekends, Anet said they wanted to test the black lion trading post. I bought gems then and again at release. $50 a pop. I got three extra character slots and some inventory space- the day the game was released.

I would have given them more of my money.

We just don’t agree on something- the sales tactics of businesses.

You’re fine with cheap manipulative tactics to raise money. I would rather see a company devoted to the quality of the product they are selling and have a goal to instill loyalty in the fanbase. You don’t, so we simply disagree.

Part of the “no subscription” was that you could take a break and come back to GW2 whenever you wanted… lost shores one day event? How would you rate that?

Anet said themselves that they made mistakes. You’re saying their mistakes are okay because other companies do the same thing.

I don’t agree with you. I don’t have a sense of entitlement. I want to see changes that are more inline with what Anet told us about the game before we bought it. Things have changed with this game and you’re okay with them. I feel they are not positive changes and I’m expressing my view. I never asked for anything or to be treated special.

I do not like events that last 24 hours. I do not like gems store sales that last 24 hours.

It’s a tactic to manipulate players.

I do not wish to see this practice continue.

I’m expressing my view on these forums.

Sorry if you do not agree with me.

If you think reduced drop rates and diminishing returns and 24 hour specials are not manipulating players into spending real cash on the real money auction house, then I guess we just agree that we disagree.

I expect more from Anet.
You’re happy with everything?

It’s a great game and I love it…I don’t like some of the recent changes/ tactics that I’ve seen recently in the past few months. Before that, I tried to get all my friends to play this game. All of them have quit. You might want to say “that happens to every mmo it is the norm…” I think the manifesto was unique and it plays a large part in who is not playing the game that they pre-purchased.

I’m expressing my dissatisfaction. I’m sorry if you do not agree and thing everything is perfect.

Leablo.2651:

You mean the crowd that you fully intended to be a part of?

Sorry, I’m not sure what you’re asking exactly. Would you elaborate please?

Pirlipat.2479:

Well english is not my native language, angry for me means “verärgert” in german, so I may have used the wrong word.

Every form of written and verbal communication is fraught with ambiguities simply because of the nature of human communication.

I can see how someone reading this post would think any of the responses were in anger.

I actually enjoy debates, and I enjoy making my voice heard in the hope that it will bring about positive change. I want to see the company that makes the MMORPG I play attempt to provide an outstanding product to instill loyalty from the players…not resort to cheap marketing tactics to swindle a few nickles from the suckers in every crowd.

Pirlipat.2479:

So you are against it because it’s manipulative? Then you should not even think about buying at a reduced price, no matter for how long they reduce it, if it’s a temporary sale. Or are you against it because the time of reduction is to short? Then don’t talk about manipulation because you willingly let yourself manipulate by the reduction and get angry you can’t.

It’s a guess on your part that I’m angry, I’m unhappy with the tactic, not angry. I see the tactic every day. I play a fantasy MMORPG because I want a brief release from everyday life.

Anet could choose business tactics that instill loyalty in their player base, or they could choose to manipulate their players with one time limited duration EVENTS or SALES.

In a persistent virtual world, I do not want to see things offered for a short limited time.

Pirlipat.2479:

But in a way you let yourself manipulate by the reduced price as well. So a manipulation by reducing the price and putting a big XX% discount sign at the product is ok, but doing it for a very limited time is not?

It’s a well know term called “the take away” in sales. It’s used regardless of the value of your product that you are selling to manipulate the buyer- aka “sucker”- into buying the product you’re selling.

There’s a movie called “Boiler Room” you can watch, or you can watch Glengarry Glen Ross.

The “take away” simply preys on the human impulse to obtain something that will be unobtainable in the near future. It’s not used to promote the value of the product for sale.

Go to the closest automobile sales lot and they will say things like " this deal is only good for today…" watch an info-mercial and they will have a timer counting down the seconds you can buy the product – which is a total lie they will sell the product to you any day of the year.

Sheep are manipulated by these tactics every day.

I don’t want to see 24 hour sales or 24 hour events in the MMORPG I play. It’s a disgusting manipulative tactic.

CreativeAnarchy.6324:

I’m hardly a sheep.

I’m just not so stupid to believe that a one day sale will be extended to a second day.

I’m sorry we’ve never met in real life, you calling me “dumb” and “stupid” in two different posts where I never said anything at all to the effect that I believed " that a one day sale will be extended to a second day" or anything like that at all…

I do not support manipulative business practices by any business, including the company that makes the MMORPG that I play. There is no reason to have a sale- or an event- that only lasts 24 hours FOR A GAME- unless you’re trying to manipulate the consumer base and get them to separate their cash from your players not by the value of your product, but by a cheap marketing tactic. As I mentioned before, I wanted to give Anet my cash… they felt that they could guarantee a set amount by manipulation rather than counting on the loyalty of their fanbase.

LieutenantGoogle.7326:

I’m sorry but this is mostly your own fault, it was clearly stated in the event title that the sales are going to be different every day o.O

I don’t know how many times I have to say that I understood and was aware that they clearly stated their sale and it’s duration.

I do not want to see one day events or one day sales in the future. I’ll give Anet my money, they don’t have to resort to manipulative practices to keep me checking every day for a deal. Announce an event or a sale and make it longer than 24 hours.

I’m sorry if you don’t agree with me, I have other things to do than play this game. I’d like to buy things from the cash shop, which I think the company wants- cash shop purchases, but I missed out because they are for a small/short/limited time.

The forums were experiencing some technical difficulties Monday morning- it kept triple posting among other things…so I left home to run some errands

@ Clark Skinner: thanks
@mcwurth: LRN2RD what? Maybe take your own advice.
@Chrissle: I did get high.
@xeysorso: I realize they’re still available to buy, I’m not sure I want to now after repeated “shady” (as cNcHellShadow.7691) calls it…
@Sil: that actually happened to me too on Halloween. I would have given Anet $100 more of my own cash
@CreativeAnarchy: thanks for your opinion and for being a pro-establishment sheep. Your comment does not suit your forum name very well.
@Fyrebrand- surely, these forums are one place on the enormous world wide interwebs where I can express my own opinion regarding GW2. Limited time events/offerings are not what I want in my MMORPG because I will not become a slave to this or any game. I’m not going to schedule my life around a game and I’m not going to wait with baited breath for a new announcement about the game.
@Ansultares: I guess I felt I wasn’t on a forum for one of Blizzard’s games…I expected People here to be civil
@Pirlipat: you’re right.

I just feel like my revolutionary MMORPG that I bought before it was released last August has changed it’s toon so dramatically lately.

I do not want to see more one day events or one day sales.

I don’t care if retailers manipulate ignorant consumers every day of the year. I expect more from my MMORPG of choice.

It’s not that I don’t want to give Anet my money, I would and now, on two occasions, they persuaded me not to give them my money.

I’m starting to think a subscription model is better than a cash shop model …if we’re going to be nickel-and-dimed at every opportunity, I would rather pay a subscription.

I play this game for fun, and I have had fun playing this game since beta. The changes and practices since release have made me question the integrity of Anet. I don’t care if the rest of the unethical businesses we are faced with every day employ a certain tactic- I expect more from the MMORPG company that wants my loyalty for years to come.

I do not want to see more one day / limited time events or offerings.

I wanted to give Anet $50 dollars for gems. That’s almost the price of the game.

Some things happened in real life. I was unable to log in.

I was aware of the time frame stated by Anet. Thanks for telling me about it again, twice.

My post was not about Anet making the details of the sale available. Thanks though, for your response.

cNcHellShadow.7691:

This is more of a “learn to read” situation. They had stated before the sale, that for 3 days, 3 separate items would be listed each day. Each day the three items were listed for 24 hours. At the end of the third day, the sale was over. This is a ridiculous cooked up complaint that I expect to come from someone being paid to come here and whine about something. Read the terms of the sale next time.

I was living my life.

…one day sale.

When I got home I logged on and had my credit card ready to buy gems to make a purchase from the gem shop.

The items that I planned to buy were no longer on sale.

“Take Away” is the term for this type of practice in the sales industry. I guess they made more money manipulating players than they would make by just having a sale on items that lasts longer than one day.

…one day sale.

When I got home I logged on and had my credit card ready to buy gems to make a purchase from the gem shop.

The items that I planned to buy were no longer on sale.

“Take Away” is the term for this type of practice in the sales industry. I guess they made more money manipulating players than they would make by just having a sale on items that lasts longer than one day.

nice video

I love unconventional PvE challenges.

If anyone remembers Faxmonkey’s stupid mage trick videos…

Make more videos!

Anyways, Endemonadia, welcome to Tyria. A lot like WoW, there will be some things you’ll really like and a large variety of things to do so you can pick and choose what’s most fun for you.

Here’s one of the best websites for information- especially events:

http://dulfy.net/category/gw2/

There are going to be some major content patches in January and February so you might want to check that site and there’s plenty of other good info sites out there too.

One thing’s for sure: Anet does thing different than Blizzard so you’re going to have to be aware of that when you make plans in-game. For the most part, I’m really happy with the things Anet does that are different than Blizzard.

OH
NO
SHE
DIDN’T

(this thread was from last month)

America.9437:

Anet is smart. They put elements of different MMO’s into the game and will let the playerbase decide where to take it. They have an open world, dungeons, fractal progression, WvWvW, sPvP. The playerbase has spoken. They want fractals and dungeons. They want an pyramid economy. They want a lobby game. They want their gear grind.

Anet is smart or Nexon is greedy? I certainly don’t know the answer… I would suspect that the motivation is not what the player’s want… I’m not sure that the playerbase has spoken in favor of the things you mentioned above.

Certainly Arenanet has made the former areas of the game they advertised less rewarding and certainly Fractals are the most rewarding (in terms of in-game gear and coin etc). I don’t know if what the players are choosing to do now is what they would really choose to do if all the rewards were equal somehow.

I remember that the introduction of Ascended gear was said to be a “step” between Exotics and Legendaries to keep a specific group of players happy…

I don’t blame any company for wanting to be profitable. Anet is doing things that are not in line with my preferences. That’s okay, I certainly have been critical of them for it but I still like the game (just got my 3rd 80 during Winterdsay ). Right now I am just waiting to see what happens and what ANet decides to do next… I’m having fun playing in the open World. I like Tyria better than instanced dungeons =)

JaironKalach.4938:

Mahaedros.7085:

do you believe that they say?

I believe that that is their goal and their vision, and they will do their best to try to meet that goal.

not to be a jerk towards you in any way but… the game was not released “when it’s ready”… the manifesto was, at best, reneged… “we don’t make grindy games” …. “horizantal progression”…

what I am asking is how do you believe certain things they say? what do you pick and choose to believe what they say? Sorry but Arenanet’s lead, Mike O’Brien, said from the start that they wanted to beat WoW and make a different MMO…. i guess if you can’t beat ’em join em

I’m loving the open world pve which I haven’t got out of a game in a long time but I can’t deny that I am disappointed with what we have now(after Nov 15th) and what they promised back in August

JaironKalach.4938:

Mahaedros.7085:

NetherDiver.6079:

Does no one follow the dev interviews and livestreams? Whether or not it’ll be a flop the dev team is actively working on implementing e sport features such as custom arenas and spectator mode.

ya i followed the dev interviews and livestreams and even the manifesto -prime reasons why I bought the game.

Does anyone follow the dev interviews and livestreams after Nov 15?

So… This is kind of funny, considering I’ve posted on in this thread and sent you the link to it in PM…. Unless of course you’ve got me blocked. He discusses specifically their plans for becoming an eSport.

I’m sorry bro – thanks for sending the PM i don’t have you blocked but i see it now that you mentioned it

do you believe that they say?

JaironKalach.4938:

Godorn.2931:

“So when we say we’ll show something “when it’s ready,” we really mean it. We don’t want to talk about it until we’re ready to show it, because it may change. "

The way we see it, Guild Wars 2 sPvP may be shipped, but it’s far from finished.
-Jonathan “Chaplan” Sharp

The above is from the link posted. Personally, I can’t resolve the contradiction.

The contradiction is called human imperfection and decision-making under stress. Pretty sure that we all contradict ourselves in this way, at times. I can’t think of many fields of judgment standards (ethics, etc…) that don’t have complexities beyond “here’s the rule and we always follow it.” And corporations have more people so usually that means more contradiction.

yes it’s human to contradict one’s self at times but one would expect more from a corporation with a team of PR people on salary… judging from the whiteside redditt AMA though maybe they don’t have a PR team and are just winging it… ya that is what they want us to think.

I’d say, in the future, Arenanet, don’t let Nexon make you do those AMA’s on Reddit. At least not with the faux bad spelling and all. Just be professional and stop the B.S. manipulation, be professional. You know you’re going to be quoted so skip the Q&A and just do a professional press release. Often. Much more often than your current communication. We’d all love to hear from Areanet more.

but back on topic, he’s right. Ethics is one complicated field.

So it seems we’re not going to get an announcement that GW2 is no longer being developed to be an E-Sport.

NetherDiver.6079:

Does no one follow the dev interviews and livestreams? Whether or not it’ll be a flop the dev team is actively working on implementing e sport features such as custom arenas and spectator mode.

ya i followed the dev interviews and livestreams and even the manifesto -prime reasons why I bought the game.

Does anyone follow the dev interviews and livestreams after Nov 15?

@ Aberrant —--oh man that is good advice thank you
ya i was not able to play as much for a few months as I did for the gabillion hours I played in pre-launch and the first month… I’m struggling at times to get more mystic stones for the kits… just got my 3rd 80 so my revenue should go up and expenses of leveling crafting etc will go down O_O

@ grundle —- i did not mean to direct any of my comment towards you, (i only read your post after I posted mine so please do not think I was referring to your posts)

holy crap i’ve never get so many rares—— sorry to keep going off topic

for a while i was saving every rare I got from dragon killing in my bank but I never got near to what you guys have been blowing through…

oh well, maybe I am wrong but I’d still like some reassurance from Anet as to what some indications of our chances are for salvaging and drop rates… however, other players who are saying that things are within the standard deviation make me feel better about things because I know that not only are they being completely honest, they are also, without any doubt, completely accurate in everything they say without providing the math behind their claims…

i’m out good luck and have fun all

Aberrant.6749:

I salvage massive numbers of items. I blow through stacks of mystic salvage kits at an alarming rate. I get about 1 ecto per item on average with them. There are streaks where i get none for a while, but that’s later made up by getting 2’s and 3’s.

cool and all but do you pay real money to get the mystic salvage kits? I get them from playing in-game but i don’t do whatever it takes to get a lot of them :p

Aberrant.6749:

You can get a computer to spit out random numbers…

Manipulation of the chances… is a totally different beast…

I agree with people that don’t like the randomness in their game… I would prefer a set 1 ecto per rare and for the mystic toilet to just require a set # of the same quality item to produce an upgrade. But oh well : /

ya man i totally agree with you

my suspicion is that they have changed the % of chance for drops and now it would seem that i suspect they changed it for salvaging too. Of course I don’t know and without being a tin-foil hat nut job i can’t say for certain…but with diminishing returns and all that farming nerfs etc…

lets just say Anet is like a girlfriend that is really sweet and alluring …but I think she’s cheating on me (bad analogy I know but it’s a company- and not my babe… so I’m a bit more unforgiving of a game that I love cheating on me, than a human being O.0 )

Horrorscope.7632:

Mahaedros.7085:

nofo.8469:

Not a chance lol.

Is there any chance you will elaborate?

I, for one, am interested in what your reasoning is for your opinion.

I’ll give you my reason why not.

1. sPvP is the only place it has a shot to be an e-sport.

2. SPvP was under developed out of the gate, that is when it had to be spot on to be an e-sport. You can’t fix it a year later and then all of a sudden look at the game again as the next big thing. It had to come out of the oven ready for e-sport prime time to gain mass acceptance in this manner. That ship has sailed.

3. Game does too many things, to be an e-sport it needed to focus heavily on sPvP, it did not.

Those are three things that LoL had from the start, those are the key elements.

I agree with you brother especially when you say: " SPvP was under developed out of the gate, that is when it had to be spot on to be an e-sport."

there’s still an outside chance Anet could pull it off if they really implement something spectacular with new styles of maps with Spvp or whatever…

compare the current guild wars 2 Spvp to this video from GW1: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=72ur142qRR0

I never played guild wars 1…but this type of pvp seems more appealing- it would be nice to have some guild vs guild competitions

I am glad we are keeping this respectful, because I am the one who has failed to explain what I am trying to get across…

Of course larger sample sizes are better in some cases. Now go read about polls taken that politicians pay attention to- they have a specific (in my opinion, remarkably low) sample size of people they ask questions. When they ask more and more people the results will be the same- the larger sample size in this case is statistically insignificant. The difference is “randomness” here (where poll taking has less “randomness”).

So, in Guild wars 2 we have random chance- i.e., RNG. you tried to salvage 500, another guy tried 7 and another guy tried 900… approximately 2 million + people bought the game…

when you play WoW or a WoW clone, you pay a set amount of real life money per month (subscription) … low RNG might be a way to make you subscribe again next month to keep playing, but once you pay your sub, you keep playing but don’t keep paying…

that’s the whole point. You’re considered a sucker and if your 99 friends aren’t they can bank on the next guy to be a sucker

I bought an MMORPG and I want to adventure, not gamble

It would be less insulting if they did not change the rates and chances in order to manipulate the players to spend real cash to get things in the game.

As I mentioned before, would you accept this RNG manipulation from any other company you do business with? Would you buy a product from a store and laugh it off as “just RNG” when you got home and discovered the box you purchased was empty?

Math and statistics and probability are all nice and they are able to be understood by people. All can be manipulated to one’s advantage- especially if one’s opponent accepts that the rules and numbers can be changed without warning———> is this really necessary for your adventures in Tyria? is this what you signed up for when you bought the game?

If you say yes, then this B.S. will continue in MMORPGs. If you don’t say “well that’s RNG for ya…har har” and don’t put up with this crap then things might change in our little genre of MMORPG’s.

A sucker is born every minute… a fool and his money are soon parted… the automobile salesman, automobile repairmen and automobile insurance salesmen know this well. Don’t put up with this B.S. in your adventures in MMORPG’s.

It’s a scam

Zeldain.5710:

Mahaedros.7085:

mjharrison.3209:

No chance of e-sport while PVP zones still have downed state IMO.

you mean “any” downed state- or just the current implementation?

I sort of like the downed state because it just adds another layer of strategy. It’s true that it is too easy for some situations to raise players… but so far we only have one style of play on a limited number of maps. There’s more variations for Fractals of the Mists than there are PvP maps

How is dying a strategy? IO can’t see any condition where this would work, especially in competitive environments.

it’s another layer of strategy in a make believe video game…

if you want to be realistic, go out and have a gun fight with someone, shoot them in the leg. If they get help from another person and manage to stand up and shoot back at you…

yes, I know we are talking about a game with magic and swords and etc… I don’t see how that 2nd chance at getting a revive from a TEAMMATE disqualifies GW2’s PvP from being a competitive PvP game. The rules are exactly the same for each team and for every player.

you’re not dead unless you’re eliminated for good while in the down state, you have a chance to be saved(by your team mostly) if you take enough damage to go down

“How is dying a strategy? IO can’t see any condition where this would work, especially in competitive environments.”

right- it’s not the actual dying that is the strategy, it’s another layer added to the game. If you are fighting 2v2 and you down one of the other team’s players, you want to ensure that that downed player does not get revived by his teammate- you have to know what skills to use to prevent that from happening. Your opponent can use skills to revive his teammate and block your particular strategy. It’s more than just pew pew.

Games have specific rules that vary- everyone can learn the rules and the people who are able to think fast and execute the right decisions will achieve victory.

I’m sorry if you don’t like the downed state- would you be more comfortable if someone was casting a magic spell to heal you before you died? Healers are just as unrealistic as the downed state- you just have to play by the particular rules of the game you happen to be playing.

now that you and I have expressed our opinions, I still wonder if Anet is pushing this game as an E-sport. To be honest, I have no idea what their plans are for Guild Wars 2 after november 15th.

Agenteusa.6380:

The 500 I salvaged was to reply to another post of people questioning one could salvaged so many rares in that time. Dunno what the problem with it is.

Now for the sampling I can’t tell you irrefutably why, but the more tries you do the more accuracy you’re gonna have with the real probability of a glob to be salvaged.

Simply because with just a couple of tries you might not be really sure what the odds are.

“Larger sample sizes generally lead to increased precision when estimating unknown parameters” is a sentence I searched and describes it.

no disrespect to you brother, but you’re simply not helping the conversation- you’re hurting the conversation. It’s great that you have an opinion and that you’re willing to express your opinion. “Now for the sampling I can’t tell you irrefutably why…” yes we know you can’t tell us irrefutably why and we can’t tell you irrefutably why either…

Kyosji.8961:

I stopped making ectos a few weeks ago because of this reason. I used to get at least 1 ecto per rare, but I went through an entire BL salvage kit to only get 1 ecto. At that point I gave up because it was starting to affect real money.

I don’t think they would put DR on something like black lion salvage kits, which most people use real money to buy. That seems like a cheat to have people buy items with real money, then turn around and make them useless.

the whole point is no one knows except for the people at Anet- who aren’t telling us because they hope more people will spend real money and if they believe it is just bad RNG luck or that their “sample size” is not large enough, then they will spend more real money to buy more from ANET.

“I don’t think they would put DR on something like black lion salvage kits, which most people use real money to buy. That seems like a cheat to have people buy items with real money, then turn around and make them useless”

When you go to a store to buy something, or buy something from a vending machine, and you get an empty container, would you simply say “oh that’s bad RNG”?

Is this what you want from games? Shouldn’t you be saying something other than “math is dictating this particular outcome” ? Tell me that you would not be seriously kitten off if you bought something- with real money- from anywhere other than Guild Wars 2 and got an empty container…

I asked for you to provide the math responsible and you were not able to- I asked you to provide some type of evidence or reasoning. Your response was that larger sample sizes were needed… thanks for that.

Things have changed.

You offer no evidence or even any reasoning for your case. If things haven’t changed than offer some evidence or reasoning that they haven’t changed.

The only thing I know for sure is that people are saying they are not getting what they used to get from salvaging, and the way to get a “larger” sample size is to pay real money to the cash shop.

Agenteusa.6380:

I’ve salvaged over 900 rares in the last 48 hours and still get ~0.91 ectos per rare. Just as stated within a few weeks of release.

RNG is RNG. A sample size of 7 is useless in this case.

I salvaged close to 500 in much less time than 48 hours so I hardly understand what you 2 others are saying about this. What’s the big deal? :W

not trying to disagree with you but what sample size is useful ? and explain what the difference is between a sample size of 7 and the sample size of 900 is exactly?

huh…. Normally for samples to be taken into account they have to be run lots of times. The larger the amount of sampling you do , the more accurate the probability of something happening. And I agree 7 tries isn’t enough to build any prediction on it.

not trying to disagree with you but what sample size is useful ? and explain what the difference is between a sample size of 7 and the sample size of 900 is exactly?

you said yourself that you did 500 and you said " 7 tries isn’t enough to build any prediction on it." so how much is enough and WHY?

It’s nice to hear what you have to say about sample sizes but why are you saying what you say about the size of the sample and why that is relevant?

“I salvaged close to 500 in much less time than 48 hours so I hardly understand what you 2 others are saying about this. What’s the big deal? :W”

it’s great that you posted this in the thread and all but what is the significance- according to you- between a sample size of 500 or 900 or 7?

Are you able to explain your reasoning or back up anything you say?

If not, then thanks for your opinion and have a nice day

edit: spelling

Sprinkles.6748:

Anything can happen, it depends on the determination and creativity of the developers as well as support from the community… I don’t really like it that much either, but I have every bit of confidence in Anet.

PvP and HotM needs a good amount of work Imo, but it can definitely happen. GW2 already has the player base.

has Anet said anything recently or done anything recently to lead you to believe that they will do something in the near future to promote GW2 as an e-sport? in your opinion

shochinhwa.1648:

no, not a a chance.

Is there any chance you will elaborate?
I, for one, am interested in what your reasoning is for your opinion.

so do you think they aren’t even going to try to make it an e-sport?

it sounds like you’re saying it will never be fun to watch “even if they add more gamemodes and such…”

what I am trying to say is, I have not heard anything about them trying to promote it as an E-sport and, from what they’ve said before, they previously said they wanted to seriously promote it as an e-sport

i guess they wanted to implement grinding more than anything else they said they wanted to do with the game

Zantetsuken.9051:

I have no idea about their commitment to E-Sports, but the Feb patch is supposed to be a PvP patch. They haven’t given any details yet though. If all we get is another map and some other fluff, then I don’t fancy their chances much :P

well ya the game came out in August so there has been – depending on your view – limited focus on making GW2 an e-sport or a shift away on the focus that was stated as an intention to make GW2 an E-sport.

I guess we have to wait and see two months from now what Arenanet’s intention is as opposed to what they’ve said their intention is regarding making GW2 an e-sport.

Zantetsuken.9051:

I doubt it. If the downed state was identical for each profession, then it might work.

Elementalists had the worst downed state on release, making them an easy choice for first kill. Then a very lazy change by ArenaNet (swapping Vapor Form and Grasping Earth) completely changed that. And even 4 months after release, the Elementalist is still plagued with bugs. I suspect the other professions are as well.

Also, who would be the audience? The casual GW2 sPvP players? Many of them aren’t even playing anymore, due to the lack of 1v1 balance where bunkers and spikers are concerned. The amount of dead servers in the hot join browser is proof that people are losing interest.

Also, many people are waiting for the PvP patch in February. I suspect if it doesn’t deliver then even more will walk away. This means monthly tournaments, custom servers and a ladder system all need to be added. Paids need a lot of attention as well, the cost is insulting and the queuing times are suffering as a result. Greed dominates.

very good points- I leveled two other professions to 80 since I wasn’t having fun on my Elementalist (who was my first 80…)

is this February patch going to focus on their drive to be an e-sport ? or has arenanet given up on GW2 becoming an e-sport?

I used to hear a lot about them wanting GW2 to be an e-sport but haven’t hear anything lately at all.