Guild Wars 2

champ.7021:

Mahaedros.7085:

(disclaimer: this is only meant for while in game- everyone on the forums you all go to hell)

Rude

Good luck to you, I meant that as a joke and hoped it would be obvious. I did not intend it to be rude, sorry.

have fun!

There was a time in the twentieth century when the interwebs was new and gamers were few.

They said things like “GL HF” to one another- “Good Luck Have Fun”. They said this often and said it to their opponents as well as their friends. Gamers are superior in every way to normal human beings, we need to go back to the time when Gamers were more appreciative of all Gamers and their evolved state of awesomeness.

Halloween is a time for love and a time for helping others and a time for getting your face eaten by a zombie or some other spawn of hell. Could we, as gamers, in the spirit of Haloween and run on sentences, revert to a time when players simply wished one another “Good Luck and Have Fun” instead of all the insults and impatience and refusing to take a Charr Engineer into your dungeon run?

(disclaimer: this is only meant for while in game- everyone on the forums you all go to hell)

p.s., I don’t have a charr engineer

I think you are correct.

Beldin.5498:

Crafting was to easy .. they wanted it to be more “challenging” so now we have the crafting hardmode :p

Can you provide a link to where anyone from ArenaNet said they wanted crafting "…to be more “challenging” so now we have the crafting hardmode"?

I would like to read about why they wanted this change.

Inculpatus cedo.9234:

It’s not that hard to read the Dev posts. Has it own sub-forum and everything. But, if you don’t like to visit other sub-forums, that’s ok. =)

Sorry, I don’t like to visit EVERY sub forum to find by chance a change to the game which could be relayed to the players in a more effective manner.

Inculpatus cedo.9234:

You forgot to list the part where they communicated and posted their reasons for removing the content.

I spend a lot of time on the forums but I don’t go to every sub section and I don’t really want to at all.

I feel that ArenaNet could improve their communication.

Are you trying to say that their past performance is adequate?

Why would they replace a path instead of just adding a 4th?

If you are okay with things in this game then I’m happy for you. I want things to be better than they are now.

Nakashima.7560:

Sooo you flatout lied to us when you said youd be giving us new permanent content in the form of an additional dungeon path. This is replacement content. Not what we wanted, go back to the drawing board. TAFU merely needed the boss to be reverted to the way he was to be one of the more played paths again, no need to delete it =/ Myself and other players still ran this path for some extra challenge.. This is not what you have been promising us, at all.

I was really looking forward to this patch, now im debating wether to log on for it at all -.-

from: https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/livingworld/twilight/TA-F-U-path-is-being-removed/page/4#post2943234

I missed the communication about changing crafting which no longer adds ten levels… I missed many many things that I would have liked to know about but don’t comb over every post in the forums and I don’t use twitter…

Bezayne.6459:

At head start I bought 3 more character slots to have room for all classes, and a little extra for another bank tab or two. Not spent anything since, not likely I am going to anytime soon. Generally I feel gem store items are overpriced going by real money conversion, and overall there are too many niggling issues with the game to make me happy enough to say “Here have some of my cash because I think you deserve it”. They are getting a ton of my time already as is.

more character slots are what I’ve spent a lot of money on…

World of Warcraft you get 50 character slots, albeit only 10 or so per server (at least that was how it used to be for years… I quit WoW before the Pandas arrived.)

I’ve also spent RL money on some of the permanent harvesting tools, i would have bought more if they were priced reasonably instead of 800 gems.

In a subscription model game you seem to get QoL type things included and in GW2 you have to buy them if that sort of thing is important to you… I have mixed feelings about this but I know some people are completely happy with it as it is. I would really like to have more characters but I do not want to pay that much money/gold/gems.

I would buy a lot more and spend a lot more RL money at the gem shop if things were not so expensive.

Vayne.8563:

I agree 100% OP. Content should never be removed without warning. It’s the wrong thing to do.

Vayne.8563:

…Which doesn’t mean the old path should have been removed.

clint.5681:

It sucks i was planning on finally trying out those paths tomorrow and now one will be gone.

Meglobob.8620:

Why delete it at all?

Why could they not add it as a 4th path?

Would that really be to much to ask?

If they had give 2 weeks notice that path would have been played a lot in the last 2 weeks, as one final hooray…

Yet another awesome, fantastic decision by Anet…

Looks like they are giving us new permanent content but deleting other permanent content to make room…

cesmode.4257:

I knew they were adding a new path. I didnt know they removed one. Really lame. So in essence…no new AMOUNT of dungeon content? Still the same?

Seras.5702:

Didn’t Anet recently apologize for making a drastic change/removal of something with little/no warning? And didn’t they just say that in the future they will endeavor to not repeat their mistake again?

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ARENANET get better at communicating. I hate that you remove content from your game that really really really needs more content but I have more hatred for your poor communication.

There is no excuse for your company to have such a disconnect from such a basic concept. Your customers give you money, show a little respect and put some effort into better communication.

KOPPER.1458:

wish I was better at making gold lol.

me too… at least i know i should never ever attempt to be a day trader in real life after this last year of trying to make gold off the Black Lion trading post lol

losing in game golds is a lot better than losing your shirt in real life =0

I should have said that I really do love the mass group content and give my compliment to the devs for that- sure some people complain that it’s a zerg fest but I do love doing things in big groups and that aspect of GW2 is great in my opinion.

Anet is really the first MMO to do this and props to them for this achievement. I have had more fun in these large group events you can find in GW2 than I ever had in WoW’s 40 person raids. I like WvWvW a lot more than WoW’s Arenas (and I spent a ton of time playing those arenas…).

I feel like the progress Anet has made will only continue and while there is room for improvement and technology will certainly get better for large group content, GW2 is the first game to pull it off as well as it can be done at this point in time.

Have you paid more for gems than a sub fee in the past year?

During the beta weekends (i hope no other game company ever repeats beta weekends…) Anet said they were “testing” the gem store and asked people to use their credit card and buy gems that they could use and then they would get the gems back and be able to use all the gems again when the game released.

I wanted to help the game and Anet out because I was really hyped up during the beta weekends and I was super excited about the game. I purchased $50 worth of gems during the beta weekends and then, at release, I purchased another $50 worth of gems and I bought all the available bank tabs at the time and three extra character slots.

During my vacation later on that year I purchased another $50 worth of gems.

I don’t regret the gem purchases and I’ve had fun (the most fun I have had outside of WvWvW was Halloween…). But I would probably not have purchased the gems or even the game if I had known how it would have turned out as it is now.

The original game was worth the purchase price for sure and I had fun with it and I am still playing.

I read about people spending ludicrous amounts of money in the gem store…

Have you spent more on the cash shop than you would have for a monthly subscription model, like World of Warcraft? ~12×15USD=180USD

Inculpatus cedo, thank you for that link. i was looking for that sort of info and missed it so thanks for your post.

I have two of my 80’s sitting in Sparkfly and i log onto them first… I would like to know when Teq is going to spawn next when i am in an overflow server and a timer would be great.

It would even be better than being harassed by former WoW players when i ask when Teq will spawn next in the overflow i happen to find myself in when i log in… the six year old jokes that wow players wait to tell in general chat just don’t do it for me…

TriggerSad.2597:

On Overflows, Tequatl spawns ten minutes after the main serve events kicks off. At least that what I’ve come to understand how that works…

that would be nice

anyone have a link to confirm this?

xephire.8324:

There’s nothing revolutionary about GW2… just some small tweaks to make it different.

If you had your choice, would you want GW2 to blow your mind with awesome new content and perhaps some revolutionary new things, or would you choose to have GW2 use tricks and manipulation instead of innovation to keep players playing?

I don’t miss the trinity and many other things that were MMORPG standards for a few years…maybe the trinity isn’t the best example but still i like the differences in GW2 and I hate the things that they are using to manipulate and cheaply trick players into logging on that are from the past MMORPGs that less and less people play.

Vayne.8563:

Good point. Because its’ bad for those playing the game to have more players.

Oh, you mean it’s bad for games to try to keep people playing.

The funny bit is, people ARE playing the game. Concurrency numbers are going up. So you might think that Anet is doing the wrong thing…but in reality, people are playing the game.

So your idea is to get people to stop playing a game they paid for, so they can go and play another game, when every MMO has similar sorts of things to keep people playing.

Why do MMOs need this? Because MMOs are dependent on lots of people playing and because there’s a lot of competition.

Welcome to the genre.

good point. hype to everyone that you are making it a revolutionary MMORPG that solves all the problems of past MMORPGs so much that people that “hate MMOs…” are going to love your new and different MMORPG.

Yes it is good to see more players playing. Time gating is one answer and it’s not even remotely the best answer to keep players playing.

I love GW2 and I want to see better solutions than time gating. I don’t care what every other MMO does.

Time gating is something I do not wish to endure and the forums are the place for me to express this sentiment.

hi.
i like your game.
i like what you did with Tequatl.
i don’t have the luxury to wait for hours and hours for a boss to spawn.
i appreciate that many other players want to do this new content.
i simply can’t sit in one zone and wait for hours.

if i must be put in to an overflow, would you please at least let us know when the next spawn of Tequatl will occur via a timer?

if, and only if, for boss week that would be great since this is the current living story and you can remove whatever you want from living story.

i sometimes have 45 minutes to play… i sometimes have one hour and 45 minutes to play. if there was a timer I could plan on waiting around for Tequatl to spawn. waiting for an hour and 45 minutes for Teqautl and then having to log out would even make Ree Soesbee upset.

please add a timer, if only temporarily. i can check websites for the spawn times on servers currently…but i have no idea when i am put into an overflow server.

Master Crafter

…i guess they feel that the scroll that levels you to 20 was enough to boost character slot sales without having to add an achievement for having all professions at level 80.

I love playing lots of alts and currently working on having two 80s (different races) of each profession. It’s fun but seems like they want to discourage having alts that you play a lot.

Sylentir.8913:

Fernling.1729:

If the difference is so trivial, why did they add them at all?

A) Another means of players getting agony resistance.
B) Marginal improvements are still improvements that players can work towards.
C) People like having something to work for. WoW constantly releases new levels of gear; the players are always working to better themselves. It may not always be enjoyable, but it certainly draws people.
D) If the difference was bigger, the small kittenstorm would have been massive. Instead, its restricted to people who don’t have a concept of scale, and the people who don’t know the numbers and are hearing the people who don’t have a concept of scale.
E) It gives them additional stuff they can add to existing bosses to make going back into the world more attractive.

a) agony resistance could have been added in many other ways.
b)if you really need to have a marginal stat improvement to work towards to enjoy an MMORPG than there are plenty of treadmill MMORPGs that you can play instead of GW2
c)People that want WoW should play WoW… why would you want your next generation revolutionary MMORPG to be like WoW?
d)Do you have a concept of Scale and do you know that numbers Sylentir.8913? What are the numbers and explain what you think the concept of scale is exactly Sylentir.8913.
e)you made this up.

In a thread that in it’s very title stated it was about the MATH, here was your first post:

The extra stats are nice, but not massive. If I recall correctly, the extra condition damage from an ascended rabid weapon over an exotic isn’t enough to get bleed to deal even a point more of damage, so don’t stress too much over not having one. I know I won’t.

Why would you post a guess in your first post and then be condescending towards people who disagree with you because they “don’t know the numbers” when you don’t know the numbers yourself?

I’m not against ascended weapons but one has to admit it makes things a lot more expensive for people that play a lot of alts and I really really hope that “additional stuff they can add to existing bosses…” does not mean Ascended weapons are required to fight world bosses.

Did Anet ever say anything like: “It gives them additional stuff they can add to existing bosses to make going back into the world more attractive.” I really hope they did not say this… Someone please provide a link if they did, I would appreciate it very much.

it’s unanimous!

Peetee.9406:

The goal is to get you to build towards your weapon slowly and not for you to just hoard all your mats and do it in one swoop.

Peetee., is this a goal that Anet has expressed that you can provide a link to? I would be interested in reading what Arenanet has to say about stacks of 250.

Oxe.6142:

I think Fort Aspenwood is now in Tier 1 for WvWvW

This one was hilarious.

Blackgate, Jade Quarry and Fort Aspenwood

I think Fort Aspenwood is now in Tier 1 for WvWvW (?) so if you like to be competitive in WvWvW you may want to to stay on your current server.

The game is definitely fun and if you want to know for sure just play it and initially simply pursue only the things you like doing.

The only way it will be a “dying game” is if a newer MMO comes out and everyone leaves to play that instead… until then you already own it, so play it freely and you’ll know if you want to devote time to it.

I’m leveling my 9th toon to 80 currently… i do the things i like and I enjoy large group open world content which is something others either love or don’t :P

Good luck to you on whatever you decide but you can always log on and check it out for yourself

thanks for the response. I usually use a mystic salvage kit, but i have many black lion kits for items with high value runes/sigils.

I made this post because I have been getting few ectos from salvaging recently so i was wondering if it would be better to throw all the low priced rares in the mystic forge.

So really the only low priced exotic you would put in the mystic forge would be weapons?

I’m a little unsure on when it is best to salvage, sell or mystic forge rares and exotics.

If a rare or exotic sell for a lot on the TP, I sell them.

I have a lot of rares saved that don’t sell for much (they would sell for less than the current price of one glob of ecto.) Should I just salvage these or throw them in the mystic forge?

and I’m even less sure of what to do with exotics that don’t sell for much on the TP…

(these are all rare and exotic drops of various varieties— not all one type of weapon or anything.)

I haven’t used the mystic forge to a great extant, but I keep hearing people saying it’s what they do with all their low value rares and exotics.

Is there a time limit for choosing the new stats on our old MF gear?

I have some research I need to do regarding the builds of several toons that had magic find gear… at the moment I have no idea which new stats I want for them.

I started with 1,028,544 karma used all the boosts and ended up with 3.744,315 karma.

If you are reading this on Sept. 3rd make sure you do it in time!

lover.8351:

If you have a lot of stuff you need to pick up, it won’t show the full amount of gold you have to pick up until you’ve picked up the first round of items. Otherwise, I have no clue.

I was having this problem and had a lot of purchased items waiting to be picked up. When I picked up a bunch of the items, I was then able to get the gold for items that I had sold.

I’m not sure what kite fortune does/stacks with http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Kite_fortune

two more days… anyone else have any tips to add?

lilstev.3498:

Nah I’m good, don’t want more annoying tooltips or hints…..however, I’d like to state that I passed 3rd grade comprehension so I am clearly able to put together the meaning of the words in the patch notes and LS achievements to understand the objectives I need to complete…..

I guess you should have continued your education past the 3rd grade . . . .

You need to learn how to use an ellipses before you attempt to use one again. “When placing an ellipsis at the end of a quotation to indicate the omission of material, use four points — a three-point ellipsis and a period. The ellipsis should follow a blank space.”

“An ellipsis is a series of three points with spaces between them (. . .) inserted into a quotation to indicate the omission of material from the original quotation. There are quite a few simple rules for the proper use of ellipses, which are used more often in legal writing than most forms of writing, since lawyers often (generally too often) quote material from other sources. Failure to use the proper form of an ellipsis could misrepresent the work of another person and result in legal liability for the writer. Correct use of ellipses, on the other hand, shows that the writer has carefully attended to detail, and thus increases the reader’s confidence in the reliability of the written work. "

From: http://www.kentlaw.edu/academics/lrw/grinker/LwtaEllipses.htm

Back on topic:

Unless they made an option to hide / reveal the enhanced help, I’d rather leave it like it is to be honest. I enjoy figuring the things out for myself.

I agree with TheDaiBish. I always like optional help/hints that can be turned off/on etc.

I think it would be great if they kept the current World Boss encounters exactly like they are now and then added new World Bosses.

Or at least keep the encounters the way they are but add a new phase that was more difficult after … say for shadow behemoth world boss after it’s killed a portal opens and the players present can choose to participate in an ascending series of challenges in the underworld.

I know “instanced” and World Boss seem to not go together but i think that there could be a way for instancing world bosses to work. At least for an optional phase of the encounter.

hi Tyrians

What would be the maximum combination of boosts to karma possible before I indulge in the truckload of karma objects that I have stockpiled since the first day of the head start of guild wars 2’s release? (i’ve never used any of the karma-adding items I’ve aquired since release…they’ve been in my bank or in the bags of one of my alts the whole time lol).

Thanks in advance for all information shared because I really love to work out and utilize the max possible gain for things like this in all MMORPGs that I play.

I know some people might have a lot more karma objects saved up than I do but, now, thanks to the new wallet and karma being shared across one’s account, I plan on using every single karma item I have as soon as I know I’m getting the max… I’ve done some research and now I would like to hear what others have used to max out their boosts to karma.

I’ll include this definition for humor

binge (bnj)
n.
1. A drunken spree or revel.
2.
a. A period of unrestrained, immoderate self-indulgence.
b. A period of excessive or uncontrolled indulgence in food or drink: an eating binge.
intr.v. binged, bing·ing or binge·ing, bing·es
1. To be immoderately self-indulgent and unrestrained: “The story is like a fever dream that a disturbed and imaginative city-dweller might have after binging on comics” (Lloyd Rose).
2. To engage in excessive or uncontrolled indulgence in food or drink.

Amongst Friends is one of my favorite movies from the early 1990’s http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amongst_Friends

Low budget movie but very very good.

lethlora.1320:

Didn’t Americans go out of style, like… many years ago?

Nexon is not in America.

Fernling.1729:

My problem is the single game mode. I am not a fan of conquest. If there was a single queue and different game modes, I would be all over it.

I would like to see more game modes and larger match ups than 5v5 (like 10v10 minimum). Personally, I would love to see teams of 40 vs 40 on a proper battleground map and the right game mode. Guild vs Guild would be great too.

Spvp is a small amount of players doing only one single game mode(conquest). There needs to be more- conquest alone is just not enough.

I’ve always wanted to see a proper castle siege mode battleground- one team/one guild defends a castle against an attacking team/guild. I’ve been suggesting it for a long time https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/suggestions/one-Map-one-Castle-two-guilds-fighting-over-the-castle/first#post1690934

Toxyn.9608:

Triforge is more highly regarded among Zelda fans.

However from a gameplay perspective I would go with Syzygy. In my opinion, the Laurels amulets stand a greater chance to be given an (Infused) recipe in the future since they are listed along with the rings.

I’m considering crafting the triforge pendant and upgrading it…

Do items bought with laurels, like Syzygy, have a better chance of being upgraded by ANET in the future over crafted items like the triforge pendant?

Guardian and Elementalist you’ll never die :P

you have to like playing elementalist though…

Ashen.2907:

In the end I do not see how anything would be gained by eliminating this forum.

you and I would be doing something more enjoyable than bickering… most of the threads devolve into bickering it seems with hundreds of unnecessary responses that are some iteration of “I told you so…” “I’m right, you’re wrong…” or just plain insults.

Resonance.4216:

Solo.9027:

Mahaedros.7085:

This section of the forums is not helping anyone, save people who want to vent

Do you realize that you’re venting on that very forum about itself?

Dude don’t tell him that, it’s kittening hilarious.

This is Sideshow Bob appearing on TV, telling people to turn off their TVs.

Haven’t you made your point clear in all of your previous responses in this one thread?

Perfect example of how this particular section of the forum is not necessary to continue existing.

Solo.9027:

Mahaedros.7085:

This section of the forums is not helping anyone, save people who want to vent

Do you realize that you’re venting on that very forum about itself?

Yes.

Wouldn’t it be better if this forum was simply eliminated?

Ashen.2907:

Mahaedros.7085:

There is more than one section of the forums all of us can use to express ourselves in but I cannot think of any section on this game’s site that is as full of vitriol, uneccessary rants, undeserved insults, and general utter lameness.

Your reply was first and it exemplifies how near these forums are approaching Blizzard forum badness. You make a remarkable claim with no proof “…no one from Anet reads suggestion pages…” as if you have any idea what anyone at ANet reads and then you follow this up by insulting another player.

It would be better to eliminate this section of the forums then allow them to continue as a place for such base behavior.

And you make a remarkable claim with no proof, “This section of the forums is not helping anyone, save people who want to vent or post hundreds of times in order to stroke their own ego.”

That also falls into the same realm for which you call out others, “insulting another player.”

I mean the hypocrisy there is mindboggling. You start the thread by insulting players and making up facts and follow up by lambasting others for doing the same.

you’re right- I should have worded that differently but the sentiment remains and I believe that it is accurate.

I did not insult any player by name and that is what I meant when I responded to Resonance’s comment about Vayne. My objection is not regarding Vayne or any specific forum poster. I honestly do not think Vayne is stroking his own ego, but rather I think he’s trying to help others most of the time…but I don’t know him nor do I have time to read all of his posts.

My objection is regarding the devolved state of this particular section of the forums and I believe it would be better to just eliminate this one section of the forums.

Lambent.6375:

The same discussions would go on in the suggestion forum, and if they put a stop to that, players would probably go to some other forum on another site, and talk about how anet doesn’t listen to GW2 players.

I really don’t see a problem with this outcome.

I’m all for diluting this concentrated badness that is the Guild Wars 2 Discussion section of these forums.

It’s reprehensible.

Resonance.4216:

wtf is this post. We can’t talk about stuff that isn’t satisfying us in the game we paid for? No one from ANET reads suggestion pages, and sometimes all we want to post is “x is broken, fix it”.

Besides, what would Vayne do with all his time if he couldn’t whiteknight this forum 24/7?

There is more than one section of the forums all of us can use to express ourselves in but I cannot think of any section on this game’s site that is as full of vitriol, uneccessary rants, undeserved insults, and general utter lameness.

Your reply was first and it exemplifies how near these forums are approaching Blizzard forum badness. You make a remarkable claim with no proof “…no one from Anet reads suggestion pages…” as if you have any idea what anyone at ANet reads and then you follow this up by insulting another player.

It would be better to eliminate this section of the forums then allow them to continue as a place for such base behavior.

Eliminate the “Guild Wars 2 discussion” section of these forums. They are approaching the lows that only Blizzard’s forums have reached.

This section of the forums is not helping anyone, save people who want to vent or post hundreds of times in order to stroke their own ego.

All of the complainers can post their complaints in the suggestions forum. All of the people who want to help the game can be active in the Players helping Players forum.

The “Guild Wars 2 Discussion” section just needs to be eliminated for everyone’s own good. Especially the staff at ArenaNet who probably have bad dreams because of this one section of their forums…

Thanks for reading and just think how much happier you would be if you weren’t squabbling, bickering or even casually reading this hole in the virtual world that sucks the life and anything good into a black cesspool of ill will.

lunshea.3261:

Mahaedros.7085:

I left WoW when they announced what I read about the talent changes coming in MoP after being disappointed with the simplifying of the talents that occurred earlier… Blizzard uses the term “balance” to hide the goal to keep subs subbing…

What’s the difference in having 10 or 50 talent points in games like WoW, if you are a dedicated PvE progress raider in WoW, you just check the forums for the flavor of the month cookie cutter build and copy that anyways; someone already did the math @ PTR.

Mahaedros.7085:

MMO’s are all about progression bro, self expression and growth via your character, the actual action you are doing is super boring

This is perhaps what YOU think a MMO should be all about – doing boring actions to get the gear to get to do even more boring actions. To me, this sounds like the ultimate waste of life and precious spare time, so I’m really glad Anet is trying to do something different with GW2

Lunshea i get the quotes system messed up from time to time but I don’t want people to think I said the second quote in your post :P edit please

Geotherma.2395:

Mahaedros.7085:

Geotherma.2395:

You guys just argue back and forth and back and forth. Elitists are ruining GW2, casuals are ruining GW2. you know whats ruining GW2? People who can’t stay the long haul, people who give up so easily on something because it isn’t perfect.

I find this a very interesting topic and I enjoy playing GW2.

Could you provide any evidence at all to your claim that " you know whats ruining GW2? People who can’t stay the long haul, people who give up so easily on something because it isn’t perfect.?"

Why do people on these forums keep saying things like " If all you can do is whine and moan about how bad it is then just leave, whats keeping you here?If all you can do is whine and moan about how bad it is then just leave, whats keeping you here?"

How is telling people to leave the game helping the game?

Nearly everyone who says “leave the game” because the person is complaining on the forums will tell you that only a small percentage of players even read the forums… so why tell anyone to leave the game? I’d like to see people on these forums stop doing this- stop telling people to leave the game. Stop telling people that this game is not for them. It’s not helping and you don’t work for ArenaNet so stop trying to be their spokesman.

Because people can’t get mats, people think Anet nerfed the mats. When in actuality it is because people simply aren’t there in Orr now, and rather in Southsun. But people would rather believe Anet nerfed the drop rate rather than stick with pure logic, it is ridiculous. I’d rather people leave than listen to this garbage, so many games like Aion are so much worse and despicable representations of MMO’s, and yet here were are in forums about how terrible GW2 is when it is the only MMO that has tried new things and tried to cater to the changes in style of MMO players. I’m not some brainwashed fanboy trying to pump up the game, I simple call for peace and honesty and intelligence. Which seems to be the least common commodity in this game right now. I swear I’m not calling everyone stupid, but seriously when is the last time someone posted something remotely helpful that isn’t a black and white representation of either hatred or love for the game? Is there no median? Is there no discussion to be had among the populous? It just disheartens me to know that so many people young and old find more fun in berating others than fixing a simple problem in something so trivial and yet so enjoyable as an MMO.

“so many games like Aion are so much worse and despicable representations of MMO’s, and yet here were are in forums about how terrible GW2 is when it is the only MMO that has tried new things and tried to cater to the changes in style of MMO players. "

Man nothing against you Geotherma, I enjoy discussing things on the forums but I don’t want to see GW2 turn into Aion but it’s hard not to fear NCsoft doing just that

I love GW2 and have a lot of fun but I want to do all I can from to keep NCsoft from ruining it more than it has…

I don’t think NC soft/Nexon is evil, I just don’t like a product(game) with their RNG business model… and it seems like you don’t either after what you said about Aion.

Some people in some parts of the world might like the Nexon RNG gamble cash shop stuff.

I don’t.

Hoping Elder scrolls doesn’t do this or I’ll have to keep looking for a better game

Geotherma.2395:

You guys just argue back and forth and back and forth. Elitists are ruining GW2, casuals are ruining GW2. you know whats ruining GW2? People who can’t stay the long haul, people who give up so easily on something because it isn’t perfect.

I find this a very interesting topic and I enjoy playing GW2.

Could you provide any evidence at all to your claim that " you know whats ruining GW2? People who can’t stay the long haul, people who give up so easily on something because it isn’t perfect.?"

Why do people on these forums keep saying things like " If all you can do is whine and moan about how bad it is then just leave, whats keeping you here?If all you can do is whine and moan about how bad it is then just leave, whats keeping you here?"

How is telling people to leave the game helping the game?

Nearly everyone who says “leave the game” because the person is complaining on the forums will tell you that only a small percentage of players even read the forums… so why tell anyone to leave the game? I’d like to see people on these forums stop doing this- stop telling people to leave the game. Stop telling people that this game is not for them. It’s not helping and you don’t work for ArenaNet so stop trying to be their spokesman.

the uprising.6317:

MMO’s are all about progression bro, self expression and growth via your character, the actual action you are doing is super boring, GW2 is no different not sure why you would think it would be different. Without progression or rewards you are just grinding for no reward, that’s like insanely weird.

But again you guys are either extreme altaholics or casual gamers so my message is lost upon you all. Looking forward to the new mmo’s coming out, especially Wildstar, it looks like it is trying to attract casuals as well, but they seem to understand how to make a game for everyone, similar to LoL.

lol o man … I just don’t agree that MMORPG’s are about progression.

Progression is for people that need help finding out what to do or to show off or something weird that games in the last few years have been promoting.

MMORPG’s have been around for a long time and terms like “adventure” “discovery” “figuring out a challenge and overcoming it” are much more applicable than “go raid and listen to what someone else tells you what to do and repeat it ad nauseum until I progress enough to get some item that makes my progression even easier…”

Off topic: I won’t play Wildstar or any other game that NCsoft has anything to do with

Mirta.5029:

Mahaedros.7085:

You might be correct but can you provide any evidence or quotes or anything at all to back up these claims you’ve made?

I love discussing these topics but it is difficult when there are many emotional opinions added to the discussion.

You are correct, I presented an emotional opinion and I shouldn’t have. I think I should have started my sentence with “I think”. So then I think that one wouldn’t pay for a subscription if they were not planning to use that subscription to the max, because if they wanted to play on and off they had a wider selection from F2P and B2P games. However I can’t speak for everyone (only for myself and my family), therefore there probably are casual WoW players that love the game for its lore. However saying that WoW has a lot of success with the casual audience probably needs backing up too.

okay thanks.

I think the fact that only a small percentage of WoW players ever saw most of the endgame is evidence that at least one Subscription game had success with casuals…

Other people can probably bring up the numbers. This is, of course, before LFR etc were introduced… what percentage of WoW players even did an endgame raid before WotLK was released?

I left WoW when they announced what I read about the talent changes coming in MoP after being disappointed with the simplifying of the talents that occurred earlier… Blizzard uses the term “balance” to hide the goal to keep subs subbing…

Anyways… WoW was one game and GW2 is another. Back on topic: I don’t think the Hardcores are always people who find challenging things on their own and complain when they are able to find a guide telling them the easiest way to complete content.

Arkham Creed.7358:

Mahaedros.7085:

Mirta.5029:

There wasn’t a single player that payed for a 30 day WoW subscription and then didn’t feel guilty for not playing WoW before his subscription ran out.
… but the ones that we have right now run out no matter you play or not, so most people try to get their money’s worth.

You might be correct but can you provide any evidence or quotes or anything at all to back up these claims you’ve made?

I love discussing these topics but it is difficult when there are many emotional opinions added to the discussion.

I’ll back it up. I can only speak for myself, but I dropped sub based games almost instantly. I hated feeling like I was shackled to the game, and that sense of “I need to play” went a long way toward undercutting any enjoyment I may have been getting. Wanting to play and needing to play don’t always go hand-in-hand, and feeling like I needed to play to get my money’s worth was actually rather frustrating when there was other things I needed or wanted to do. In essence the sub fee turned the game into a chore; and I don’t personally find chores very engaging or enjoyable. I don’t believe a game should ever be a chore; it should never be something you feel like you have to do. It stops being a game at that point.

Okay, you and Mirta agree, and that’s great. What I object to are comments such as Mirta’s: “There wasn’t a single player that payed for a 30 day WoW subscription and then didn’t feel guilty for not playing WoW before his subscription ran out.”

What you refer to above as “chores”, I, for one, agree with you wholeheartedly.

I think this game has plenty to do for “hardcores” other than Legendaries… but I object when players say there is nothing to do that’s challenging and then all they do is run CoF1 constantly with the easiest comp possible…

A large portion of my MMORPG experience is finding challenging things to achieve (albeit, with like minded friends) and then taking them to the next level… dungeon runs with only a single profession/ class… and of course, PvP. You’ll probably never be satisfied with challenging PvE content because (unless you are different than most people and watch a video on how to complete the PvE encounter…) you don’t figure out the PvE encounter for yourself and struggle until you complete it and then feel that type of reward.

I could be wrong about you but that’s what many who say what you are saying are like- they don’t even take the chance to figure out the content they are complaining is “too easy.”

I prefer Diablo 1’s randomized dungeons from the 20th century than following a set/scripted encounter that the Hardcore Raiders learn from guides and then memorize until they get the gear to make it even easier and then claim their superiority over the casuals.

Mirta.5029:

There wasn’t a single player that payed for a 30 day WoW subscription and then didn’t feel guilty for not playing WoW before his subscription ran out.
… but the ones that we have right now run out no matter you play or not, so most people try to get their money’s worth.

You might be correct but can you provide any evidence or quotes or anything at all to back up these claims you’ve made?

I love discussing these topics but it is difficult when there are many emotional opinions added to the discussion.