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Current state of affairs. It shows us dominating both servers in EB, not just yours. All 3 borders on the other hand are relatively intact and don’t show much activity. If this can’t persuade you that we don’t go out of our way to focus GH then I give up. Quit the whinging and get back to fighting

Genotix.6804:

Your tactic is to build 20 ballistas outside our spawn point at EB? While Am still getting untouched?

I’m not ingame atm so can’t comment on this, but 20 ballistas really?…..maybe you miscounted and there was really only 19.

I generally don’t play EB, only if we are under pressure there. Last week was the first week in a long time in EB we generally didn’t get it our way. If it makes you feel any better we suffered a similar fate at times last week as AG focussed us in EB as they had SM and we had overlook ofc. They swarmed our keep and spawn many times that matchup, and I seem to recall you guys having no problems taking advantage of it by taking some of our towers. Don’t recall us whinging about it, infact I enjoyed the defence of Overlook.

Svarty.8019:

Genotix.6804:

30 FSP keep attacking our wooden towers at EB.

FS are scared of us, mate. Look how they concentrate on us. They haven’t touched AM all week. It’s a huge compliment.

We are scared of you so we concentrate you? Ok………that makes a lot of sense.
AM has had a huge focus on our border the past few days, and your own server if they have the numbers hit our border before they even think of hitting AM border. That’s 2 compliments right there.

The funny thing is AM are the only server benefitting from all this. You think the onus is on us to push AM border when you don’t touch it yourselves. Our border has been the main attacking focus of both AM and GH all matchup, and you have both left each other relatively untouched. We simply focus where we can get easier points to stay in the game when that happens, and unfortunately for you the truth is simply GH border is easier. We would love to attack AM border but you don’t give us the chance. Whatever happens in EB is different. We have fixed commanders there that simply play EB alone. GH as the red coloured team means you guys have overlook where you can treb SM from. It’s no surprise that you get more focus from us if we have SM since its more dangerous to leave you untouched.

Maybe you need to change your own tactic to change how the other servers play

That fight in Bay on FSP border before the build update was great fun tbf. We mounted a defense at inner once we knew the walls were going down. We slowly pushed GH out and forced them back across the water. Most of our defenders then went to move across to kill the trebs, and just after they did AM hit inner and we had a mad scramble to defend again. Eventually all 3 servers were in the Lord’s Room together in some shape with us just managing to hold on. There was no respite though as AM hit our garrison quickly after with a few golems. Thankfully we managed to wipe the golems before they could hit our inner garrison and we eventually pushed AM out. Enjoyed the fights can’t wait for more.

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Oh look at us getting double teamed by the AM-GH Alliance :p

Jeez not this kitten again. There is NO alliance. As I have said before a persons viewpoint can often change depending on what server and at what time they play. I played for about an hour yesterday and was part of the group that took Bay on GH border. When we took it I checked the maps. We had our own border intact, we had lower half of GH border including Bay and Hills, and we owned half of AM border including Bay. All that indicated to me was that we had greater numbers at that time, nothing else. There was no deliberate focus on any server from us. It appears that after this AM got much stronger numbers, and pushed us out of their border.

kribre.9683:

I’d like to thank everyone on FSP for some great fights yesterday in AG-borderland and FSP-borderland. A night full of fights! That’s how we like it! Swapping map every 20-30min to find a big fight of FSP at both maps
Have to say my highlight was when we assaultet Longview with catas, you guys saw us a bit late when you rushed up the sloap, and we manage to take you guys out, but the fight in the lord room, woah, THAT was fun!!!
Thank you all for the fights yesterday, again, and let’s see more of this!

I came across your guild group of about 8 or so in FSP border last night between Bay and our garrison on my lone guardian. One of you came towards me waving flowers or something so I think to myself this guy is rp’ing. All of a sudden a d/d Ele from your guild who was with him just starting tearing into me and the rest of your guild group followed him. Definitely one of those wtf moments.

First time I have played in this matchup and I joined the defence of Overlook in EB when we were badly outnumbered. Was a good defence from FSP considering the size of the force attacking and we just had about 8 random defenders with no commander on the map. We lost the outnumber buff not long before AG gave up on it. Judging by the scores AG probably belong in the tier above while I feel GH and FSP have found their tier. We still seem to lack the numbers of previous weeks, we would normally have a commander with a decent sized zerg in EB at the time I played but we had nowhere near that.

Well earlier this week I came across a thief from Miller’s using speed hacks, think it was DDR tag or something like that, and this morning at Bay on GH border when we were attacking and were inside I came across another thief speed hacking with Xaoc tag. He was so kitten fast I managed to only have him selected for a brief second before he stealthed, so I didn’t get to report him. Point being I have witnessed some unsatisfactory things in every matchup, and tbh this has been one of the cleanest, so lets keep it that way.

Queues are definitely bugged no matter what tier your are in. At about 7.30pm GMT yesterday I logged in and FSP had a queue on every border. I didn’t enter the queue and literally 1 minute later I tried it again and got in straight away to MS border. On that border we had about 25 players altogether. It’s something that needs fixing asap as it could influence the outcome of a matchup.

fab.3298:

I see you guys finally got round to teaming up. A fairly equal prime-time match up has now become an FSP roflstomp. It doen’t matter though we still had fun tonight, i just feel bad that MS is getting the short straw and is taking damage that would otherwise go to FSP.

I wonder if we’ll still see FSP players in here having a go at MS? Probably not.

It’s amazing how your perception of what is happening can change based on what side you play on and when you play. Last night when I played I saw blue and green in GH border, no red. I saw blue and red in ms border with small bit of green, and ofc on FS border GH had hills and MS had bay. Great alliance if it existed huh? On another note thanks to GH for the attempt on our garrison. Was a pretty dramatic save from us though it shouldn’t have been. Our commander and zerg were at bay when you guys hit the outer gate. The call was put out only for the commander to basically say let you have it as its easier taken back than bay. Had to be told repeatedly that it was fully upgraded and something we can’t lose. He made the decision to defend it just in time.

Azunai.1065:

Im curious, i often read that MS got mass ppl during the “morning” ?
what timezone are you guys in?

Miller is GMT/UTC +1

I play GMT and logged in at about 10am this morning, playing for about 2 hours in FS border. When I say you had a large presence, I mean a presence that was atleast equal to ours, and to be honest better organised (don’t want to give out to much but we seemed to have an unusually high number of inexperienced players on and the only commander logged out when you were taking Bay without saying anything).

I have actually been impressed with Millers Sound. I feel you are quite abit stronger than Drakkar Lake and Dzagonur who we played in the last matchup, but before this matchup I didn’t think you would be stronger.

As for our own performance, we have been excellent in EB as always. Our own border defence was good until this morning, not so good since and we could be better. Still enjoying the matchup even if overall we appear the weakest link (just not by much).

LionZero.3479:

Is it just me or do we have crappy server this week a lot of rubberbanding and delay on skill animations randomly at times in small and bigger battles, didn’t have this before.

Have been having the same problems all day….about a 1 sec delay on many skills and not even fighting in a zerg :/

Wicked.5479:

if millers would try for first they could, since gunnars daytime is pretty weak.
but i see that you rather not lose than win…

It appears so. Miller’s have an incredibly large presence on our border all morning. As we all (on FSP) feared GH are building up a nice lead in very early morning hours, so much that they had a WP in our hills when I logged in at 10am GMT.
We simply cant even launch an attempt at Hills with Miller’s pushing us around the map. But yeah seems Miller’s have given up on first already and want to cement second.

That being said we haven’t helped ourselves this morning. There is definitely a lack of leadership and presence everywhere outside of EB. Some very simple mistakes being made like not using defensive siege, yet buying upgrades on undefended towers, reducing the supply and making the tower almost indefensible. Seems to be a definite lack of ‘regular’ players with a bit of know how. Hopefully this morning is just a blip, and I hope for the sake of the matchup Miller’s spread their focus abit.

Wicked.5479:

Minfast.5489:

LameTerror.4032:

Minfast.5489

UW on the other hand rarely engaged either side. Whenever FS and FR got in a brawl you guys would head to other side of map to cap something.

Ow yeah, we just sit at home behind our computer waiting for you two servers te engage.

Was that sarcasm?

I was referring only to earlier this evening on FS border. It’s a legitimate tactic to take advantage if 2 other servers are engaged in a large stalemate. As I have said I found it amusing because I couldn’t understand it given the ranking/score situation. If you wanted second then leaving FR border alone and bringing your zerg to a border that already had 2 large zergs fighting in isn’t a tactic I can understand. If you have resigned yourself to dropping to tier 8 then why not be more aggressive and engage either FS or FR to have some good fights. The only reason there was a battle with UW is because we disengaged from FR and decided enough is enough with your sneaky capping. It just so happened that FR started to drop numbers after that.

It’s probably for the best that our servers part ways for a while, for although there is respect there I think it’s safe to say we are probably sick of the sight of each other by now.

i assume you joined on the border later because we had a full retreat from FR BL because UW had a huge force knocking on our garrison door after they swiftly took hills.
only after we repelled that for about 40 minutes FR joined the party.
the attacks UW did were far more threatening then the FR ones imo.

No I was at that fight if you are talking about the one where UW came through the south east gate and Maloki and her group came to reinforce what few defenders we had at the time. It highlights what is still a weakness with our server in that we often leave our own border with few defenders when there appears to be little threat, but are slow to react when a large invading force arrives. I only refer to what happened a little later. The fight with FR at Bay was great. I had guessed at the time that FR border must be largely unprotected with the numbers they had on ours. But Uw Zerg continued to stay in our border, making attempts at Sunnyhill and our Garrison only when we were busy with FR. We had to leave Bay (which FR then took) to repel UW, which we did. That’s where I would question their tactics. They allowed FR to have our Bay keep, improving FR’s score, by forcing us to defend against UW. After FR took Bay their numbers lessened. I noticed we quickly took much of the east side of Fr border. Only then did UW appear on FR border. Now I see judging by the current score that someone who leads on UW has copped on and noticed they need to focus FR to get second and have a chance of remaining in the tier.

LameTerror.4032:

Minfast.5489

UW on the other hand rarely engaged either side. Whenever FS and FR got in a brawl you guys would head to other side of map to cap something.

Ow yeah, we just sit at home behind our computer waiting for you two servers te engage.

Was that sarcasm?

I was referring only to earlier this evening on FS border. It’s a legitimate tactic to take advantage if 2 other servers are engaged in a large stalemate. As I have said I found it amusing because I couldn’t understand it given the ranking/score situation. If you wanted second then leaving FR border alone and bringing your zerg to a border that already had 2 large zergs fighting in isn’t a tactic I can understand. If you have resigned yourself to dropping to tier 8 then why not be more aggressive and engage either FS or FR to have some good fights. The only reason there was a battle with UW is because we disengaged from FR and decided enough is enough with your sneaky capping. It just so happened that FR started to drop numbers after that.

It’s probably for the best that our servers part ways for a while, for although there is respect there I think it’s safe to say we are probably sick of the sight of each other by now.

Sceinna.3561:

Minfast.5489:

Seems the party is in FS border so far tonight. Huge numbers from both FR and UW. Enjoyed trying to put up defences against both sides. I would have to question the tactical thinking of UW though. They are extremely tight with FR for second but they seem to be avoiding FR altogether, you would think you should be targetting FR to reduce their points tick and make a gap. I see some blue on UW map but not a hint of red on FR map.

As someone who is somewhat involved in “tactical decisions” I can tell you the sole reason, for what you are telling here, is FS and FR fighting all of their battles on our border the entire week lol.

Since reset we have been almost forced to stick to defending, although I noticed FS either became lazy or lost a lot of their people.. you guys had CRAZY numbers almost the entire week, but the last 2 days I hardly spot a big FS zerg anymore.. the fight is somewhat even now, not like the first few days where we were continiously outnumbered and dominated 20vs100 lol.

I kinda had to laugh with the comment saying UW outnumbers FS all the time, whatever makes you sleep at night tho. :P We lack the numbers.. if you really do play WvW a lot you notice we only have 1 big WvW guild.. ÄÄ. Where I can name multiple guilds from FS.. BloS, lion, XxX (moved to another server I heard), GUM, list goes on and on..

Perhaps you can quote me the line in my post where I said UW outnumbered FS. FS doesn’t have any big wvw guilds, we have a number of guilds (about 7-8) that are medium sized and whose numbers vary depending if they are hosting a guild event etc.
SPGR were out in big numbers tonight for UW. In general we have greater numbers, but we have similar sized populated servers so maybe you guys need to do more to get the pve players into it.

My point about your tactics is valid. It looks like you won’t catch GH in the rating, but if you have any hope of staying in tier 7 you need to focus FR. As I explained your tactics earlier were a little mystifying. You both had huge zergs in our border ( I would guess half of both server’s entire wvw population at the time). I enjoyed fighting FR on our border. They were aggressive, organised and were tactically good. UW on the other hand rarely engaged either side. Whenever FS and FR got in a brawl you guys would head to other side of map to cap something. We just happened to catch you at Sunnyhill and then at our Garrison when we disengaged from FR and returned to defend. If you have given up on staying in tier 7 fine. If you just want to have some enjoyable fights then stop playing as you are, relying on other 2 servers in matchup to engage each other before capping something on other side of map. Otherwise I don’t know what you are trying to achieve.

Seems the party is in FS border so far tonight. Huge numbers from both FR and UW. Enjoyed trying to put up defences against both sides. I would have to question the tactical thinking of UW though. They are extremely tight with FR for second but they seem to be avoiding FR altogether, you would think you should be targetting FR to reduce their points tick and make a gap. I see some blue on UW map but not a hint of red on FR map.

Toxikthrash.2704:

Minfast.5489:

tichai.4351:

In an effort to draw a line under this saga and contrary to popular belief, Xaoc are not responsible for the financial collapse of the western world, global warming, the current plight of RoF and WsR or the oncoming of the zombie apocalypse.

They are a group of people who are extremely enthusiastic about WvW, they may have a different take on the game to some which may not be to everyone’s taste, but they certainly enjoy themselves doing it.

As a community, we have offered our explanations as to our decision, we were under no obligation to do so. We have been open and honest about it but it is clear some people are so entrenched in their own belief’s that no amount of factual information will alter their opinions. A sad indictment of the world we live in.

As I see it the only posters trying to blow this out of all proportion are the ones from GH. The only thing highlighted in this thread by non GH posters is the hypocrisy shown by some from GH who posted some persistant accusations and unsavoury comments on the Vabbi Alliance thread when Xaoc moved there and started advertising for recruitment. At the time GH did not have such a dominant position in tier 8 and were naturally worried that things might change for the worst. Now you try to justify your sudden change of heart by claiming “its ok to be ticking at 600 points, we were doing it before the transfer.”

Just to stress the point nobody is knocking your for strengthening your server or indeed knocking Xaoc (with the exception of 1 or 2). But the sudden change of heart of some and hypocisy of some on the server leave a bad impression. Only a week ago many of you were in uproar about Xaoc’s move to Vabbi, stressing how it upsets the balance. But now its ok for you. Maybe some of you should refrain from making rash comments on other threads and it might not leave such an impression again.

As for the sob story. There are quite a few servers that make the claim of being the most hard done by, you only have to look at Far Shiverpeaks who ofc has been worst affected by the free transfers and guild exodus. Stop banging on about it as if the game owes you.

Again i will chuck this out, a few people are not the whole community. So saying/implying that my opinion (I was a poster) covers all GH is just foolish. I Can’t be sure if my view of Xaoc is clear at the moment, and i will not know until next tier+

RoF players come over and whine.. then instigate a bit of conflict. Such as this Korran or whatever his name is from [PI] who just comes here because he is upset about not winning clearly over the past two weeks that he has been whining.

Keep any hate you may have of GH in the Server mach-up thread. And for now i am jumping off the thread because this is just embarrassing

I have highlighted in bold what you might have missed. Chuck it out all you want, but please read first. I don’t hate GH at all. Please don’t put words in my mouth.

tichai.4351:

In an effort to draw a line under this saga and contrary to popular belief, Xaoc are not responsible for the financial collapse of the western world, global warming, the current plight of RoF and WsR or the oncoming of the zombie apocalypse.

They are a group of people who are extremely enthusiastic about WvW, they may have a different take on the game to some which may not be to everyone’s taste, but they certainly enjoy themselves doing it.

As a community, we have offered our explanations as to our decision, we were under no obligation to do so. We have been open and honest about it but it is clear some people are so entrenched in their own belief’s that no amount of factual information will alter their opinions. A sad indictment of the world we live in.

As I see it the only posters trying to blow this out of all proportion are the ones from GH. The only thing highlighted in this thread by non GH posters is the hypocrisy shown by some from GH who posted some persistant accusations and unsavoury comments on the Vabbi Alliance thread when Xaoc moved there and started advertising for recruitment. At the time GH did not have such a dominant position in tier 8 and were naturally worried that things might change for the worst. Now you try to justify your sudden change of heart by claiming “its ok to be ticking at 600 points, we were doing it before the transfer.”

Just to stress the point nobody is knocking your for strengthening your server or indeed knocking Xaoc (with the exception of 1 or 2). But the sudden change of heart of some and hypocisy of some on the server leave a bad impression. Only a week ago many of you were in uproar about Xaoc’s move to Vabbi, stressing how it upsets the balance. But now its ok for you. Maybe some of you should refrain from making rash comments on other threads and it might not leave such an impression again.

As for the sob story. There are quite a few servers that make the claim of being the most hard done by, you only have to look at Far Shiverpeaks who ofc has been worst affected by the free transfers and guild exodus. Stop banging on about it as if the game owes you.

UlfKet.9461:

I’ll just say FS is a joke.

The only reason you win is because you’re many more all the time. But you’re also cowards.

The moment we or FR put a fight in EB, you just go for the BL… indeed good, you’ll win and you’ll win by a lot. But when the faction with the biggest numbers rely on guerrilla tactics, you know they’re bad and cheap.

And congratulations for winning, it probably makes you feel proud of it LOL

And you sir sound just a little bitter. I won’t deny we have slightly greater numbers than the other servers in this matchup, but to say we are cowards? You must be joking. I have never taken a step back and I have never seen it in most cases from anyone else from the server. We have gotten our kitten together and are continuing to get new people involved. I don’t mean to be too critical but I have seen some kitten stupid things being done by both fr and uw. I witnessed uw try to build a treb right against sm wall when we had plenty of defenders. Only yesterday I witnesses fr try to build a golem against greenvale gate when we had defenders. Maybe you guys should improve your tactics.

cbabd.8053:

Even as someone who was initially sceptical about the Xaoc move, I find some of the reactions here surprising. Is the idea that we should have said to Xaoc: “Sorry, you can’t join us because we have to keep this tier 8 matchup as balanced as possible. We don’t want to leave this tier, after all!” — and that by welcoming them we’ve somehow done something “unfair”? That seems ridiculous.

Tbh I do find it a little amusing that you welcomed Xaoc to your server. If I remember correctly the most outspoken and persistent posts on the vabbi alliance thread condemning their move there were made by Gunnars Hold posters. Hypocritical springs to mind. Nothing wrong with wanting to strengthen your server, just don’t look like hypocrites doing it. I guess we still have 8 more days of uncertainty before servers and players know where they stand. Good luck to GH on their endeavours

Dzent.2750:

Dropper.9176:

Dzent.2750:

[…] just ashame that the real brains for you server (ECL guild) comes on late at night, i would of had fun crashing them for 5 hours aswell. But some of us have work in the mornings.[…].

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAND again, ECL is playing mainly from 19/20:00 – 22-23:00 , so why do you say you cant fight them because you have to work ??? They got only 25/30 WvW players for 2 Hours and mainly playing on BLs not Eternal.

Seriously Man, thats just wrong what you saying.

Ok then yes i understand ECL may have been in the BL doing evil stuff to FS, but they showed there ugly mugs at SM at around 2200 GMT that 2300CEST, and dont ask me how many. I was to busy killing them. There was about 20+ (one of which was a commander) of them around around SM walls when i left at 2330GMT thats 0030CEST. we could of held SM for about an hour after i left with ease. So that means there was still ECL at SM at around 0030 GMT (0130CEST)
i would back this up with screen shots but i am not a FS player and dont take screen shot of everything just incase they catch someone hacking.

So instead of a whine post you make an ego tripping post….not once but twice
Plenty of Internet Glory for you last night by the sound of it….troll cookie?

Derms.4758:

Jak Shadow.2864:

C’mon fellow Shiverpeakers, we are better than this.

It is in both DZ’s interests and UW’s interests to focus on us. DZ don’t see UW as a threat and UW would rather be 2nd than 3rd. Nothing wrong with either of those propositions or the obvious result that flows from them.

I haven’t been on much this week but the key question is whether it is fun to play. We haven’t been totally outmanned and slaughtered at every twist and turn. We seem to be having lots of good battles. I had fun when I have been on.

Voila.. it’s as simple as that. There was no alliance between UW & DZ, we (UW) just had the advantage of DZ focusing on FS because you are their greatest threat. Yet, FS was tied with us in score earlier in the week. That means that if we don’t want to end last, we need to focus FS as well.

Voila.. it’s as simple as that. There was no alliance between UW & DZ, we (UW) just had the advantage of DZ focusing on FS because you are their greatest threat. Yet, FS was tied with us in score earlier in the week. That means that if we don’t want to end last, we need to focus FS as well.With that said, let’s get back on the battlefield. FS boasts some skilled players and brings good fights so leave the accusations for what they are and put your energy in the fights.

Voila.. it’s as simple as that. There was no alliance between UW & DZ, we (UW) just had the advantage of DZ focusing on FS because you are their greatest threat. Yet, FS was tied with us in score earlier in the week. That means that if we don’t want to end last, we need to focus FS as well.With that said, let’s get back on the battlefield. FS boasts some skilled players and brings good fights so leave the accusations for what they are and put your energy in the fights.Respectfully,
Derms, UW

Could you repeat that again? :p

Thanks to the ranger from ECL for that 1v1 just earlier on FSP border near SE supply camp with my guardian. Was shocked to see a ranger not using shortbow/longbow. Nice build you have…pity about the interference but that fight could prob have lasted another few mins.

Cruzyo.7304:

Minfast.5489:

As for the giving up part. Personally FSP put everything into last weeks matchup….long shifts/trying to blood new people and lots of gold spent on upgrading and siege and came up short….DZ making the win through their nightcapping. Not whining about it just stating facts. Knowing a repeat would be most likely this week I know I made the decision not to sink my gold and time into it….and it seems alot of others on FSP have made the same decision.

as i said – you guys gave up and with that, you made your keeps and towers a easy target for anyone, and you guys know aswell it would be stupid not to take those points, you would do exactly the same, doesnt mean Dzag and UW ignore each other, in fact i have had some good fights on Dzag BL Hills aswell

Where have I questioned your motivation in doing that? As I have said I am enjoying it. Please don’t make me have to repeat myself…..again. I have no problem with it. I simply stated a reason why FSP is not on its game this week and I was trying to correct those posting from UW and DZ that we were accusing them of having an alliance and working together….I never made that allegation only that you were focussing on us, which is understandable to a point. But if you want first place you will have to do more than go to FS border for easy points. Still having some good fights

For the last time nobody stated there was an alliance….just lets say a focus of FSP which posters from both from UW and DZ have conceded. There is a difference. I certainly wouldn’t whine about it. I am enjoying it as it happens.

As for the giving up part. Personally FSP put everything into last weeks matchup….long shifts/trying to blood new people and lots of gold spent on upgrading and siege and came up short….DZ making the win through their nightcapping. Not whining about it just stating facts. Knowing a repeat would be most likely this week I know I made the decision not to sink my gold and time into it….and it seems alot of others on FSP have made the same decision.

As for the portaling…there are so many counters to it….using mesmer feedback and guardian sanctuary and cc on the portal area works wonders…I don’t see the problem with it.

From our point of view (FSP) you guys (UW) made the first move on our border earlier. When I was there (about 1 hour ago) you guys were in our border, had taken the tower and had just broken down exterior gate to Bay. I checked the map then and your border was all red. 10 mins later you were still banging on inner south gate of Bay and I checked map and wow we had a breakout tower in your border.

As for double-teaming, nobody is saying you have an alliance or anything like that. But it is clear you both focus FSP. It’s funny cos as soon as you guys started attacking Bay, DE (mainly in the form of ECL) came out of Hills and attacked Dawn’s. You are both taking advantage of each other’s attacks on us. I havent seen a bit of red in DE border in ages (aside from the odd supply camp) which I find surprising as you guys (UW) used breakout events to great effect last week. Likewise with DE on yours. Typically its th second placed server in a matchup that gets focused. 1st place wants to stay there and 3rd place doesn’t want to finish last. But its all good, Bring it!!! It’s fun knowing both servers fear us, even though we don’t have near the same numbers out as last week. As for our tactics, they leave alot to be desired but we are not exactly trying too hard, as indicated by us not really upgrading keep/towers or putting down defensive siege. We know what is coming in the night/early mornings. See you out there.

Well I will give my opinion. I don’t mind losing….. To an enemy I can see and fight. I don’t like losing to an enemy that kills me in my sleep last week we dominated until around midnight GMT not 5pm. It’s true night capping is part of the game, doesn’t mean I have to agree with it. If people on your server get enjoyment from PvD then so be it. We gave everything last week and came up short, we won’t be wasting gold and making the same commitment this week. Enjoy your victory and moving up to tiers where your night crew will get to pvp

Everyone on this thread seems to be ignoring one very big detail in all of these discussions……Underworld. It’s true that during the day we (fsp) are able to get a good score, but we have to contend with UW who are similar to us in that their biggest forces are out at similar times to ours. So basically we cannot dominate the scoreboard like DZ can on nights. It has been a common ‘theme’ of last weeks matchup for fsp to dominate on DZ border only for the call to go out that UW is in our border taking keeps. So we end up having to pull our zerg out of that border to combat UW.

I honestly can’t wait for Dz to leave the matchup. Even if it is not your intention, you give other servers the impression you only care about the win and not the fights for it. Relying on nightcapping as others have said is a cheap way to win. We put everything we had into last week but came up short as we couldn’t claw back the deficit created overnight. It’s very disheartening to see DZ rely on roughly a 6 hour period where they accumulate such a lead, and we can still dominate for 18 hours and not claw back that lead. To wake up each morning and find your upgraded keeps in enemy hands knowing we couldn’t defend them is disheartening and this week I don’t plan on playing much knowing that.

To UW – lots of respect for these guys. They have a good guild in AA supported by a few others and have given us many epic battles. They really make the best use of their numbers and have lots of skilled individuals. Hope to see many more epic battles between us.

To DZ – I have respect for your co-ordination among some of your bigger guilds and your use of portal bombing has been effective. Not so much respect for the exploiting that went on ( all servers have 1 or 2 bad eggs that try it but the number of times reported to be happening by DZ was ridiculous) and the over reliance on nightcapping.

To FSP – huge respect for our regular commanders and what they achieve when they are on. Also to BloS and other guilds who continue putting out a good presence. Rather than getting deflated about losing last week, I hope you all see the positives in that we dominated for large periods of the previous matchup and learned new things. Its is obvious we have a glaring weakness during the night which we have had since week 1. Difficult to remedy that so here’s hoping we get another server similar to our own so we can have more epic battles.

Someone throw Tagnut a troll biscuit he tries so hard

@Reacting.6180…I love how you guys keep trotting that line out. “It was our community that has made all the difference.” Completely ignoring the huge influx of guilds you got from my server FSP and other mid and lower tier servers as having any contribution to your success. You don’t go from being a T4/T5 server, to demolishing the opposition each week for successive weeks to the point you almost have more points than other 2 servers in the matchup put together, just through your community pulling together.

It wasn’t your community that attracted these guilds either. Blacktide had already taken their fair share from us. Deso at the time were getting stick for having RUIN on their server so nobody really wanted to go there. You guys were just next in line for the mass exodus of guilds from FSP which was in rapid decline. Your server was chosen for same reason Blacktide was before you.

Yes you guessed it….I have a particular gripe with SFR. Having played against most servers by now in our continuing drop to T7, SFR is the only server that some players have engaged in boasting and trolling in match threads. Despite it being obvious from the beginning of the match it was a mis-match. It only took a handful to leave a bad impression.

VS deserve the most respect as a server. They have maintained their T1 status from week 1 and continue to push for T1 victories. Their achievements far outweigh yours.

FSP is completely deserted atm. Haven’t seen a commander today. We just lost Shadaran Hills in FSP border to a 10 man group from ROF with 2/3 defenders. We have about 6 people in our own border atm. If its down to the holidays fair enough, but you would imagine all servers would be affected. At this rate we will do well to stay in this tier, undoing any good work that was done last week. Not looking good at all from a FSP point of view. We are not even in the game right now.

I think I made a great decision in not joining the mass exodus from FSP to either BT or SFR. Seriously what a mess of a thread.
What I have learned:

- Vz are closing the gap to SFR because they are doing all they can to cheat (only just started or continuing I don’t know). Oh and BT are helping them do it (cheating or accrueing points???)

- SFR’s lead is being reduced because ‘the greatest community’ in the game is slacking midweek and think they have it won, thus not being so great. Or is it because the mass influx of wvw guilds from other servers over the past month is starting to peter out…..but then again we were all told it was ‘the great community spirit’ that attracted all these guilds in the first place. SFR don’t cheat, if they do it has to be recently transferred players. There can be no other explanation.

- BT don’t want to be here. They desperately want T2. They are tired of winning and are only losing now because many of their players are taking a break or have left (unlike other servers this is a BT only problem). They feel they would be top dog again if only their warriors returned.

All in all an entertaining thread. Please continue……..

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Yay, outnumbered again… Seriously, RoF needs alot more players.

The only good thing about being outnumbered is that we can lose with a happy smile. FS and UW only rely on numbers (like FS in overlook just a few mins ago), they dont seem to use any tactics at all most of the time while RoF uses the “Run-around-and-annoy-everyone-despite-of-being-outnumbered” tactic greatly

Oh, not to mention FS and UW dont seem to try to touch each other… yea, fighting an outmanned enemy is way easier.

I disagree – each of the 3 sides in this matchup have their moments of dominance (if you want to call it that since the scores tend to be very tight). I played quite alot yesterday. When I logged in at about 9.30am ROF controlled about 80% of FS border and we were ticking at about 70 points. For most of the day after that there was no more than a 30/40 point spread between all 3 sides.

I played in EB most of the evening and I can speak for FS when I say we tried numerous tactics against UW to either take SM or take some of their upgraded towers and they did the same with us. On each occasion the defending team won so despite towers/keeps not really changing hands I can say there were some brutal battles involved between UW and FS on EB.

Towards the end of the night I went to ROF border with a few guild mates and we used a break out event to capture 2 towers and some supply camps in response to ROF doing the same on our border. During that time we controlled a couple of towers/supply and a keep on UW border. So no we do not ignore UW and vice versa.

In my opinion UW seem to place a greater emphasis on capturing/holding SM and therfore don’t seem to commit many players to other borders. They are very good at defending what they have. I think the ROF guys are a little more aggressive. But I havent seen anything from ROF or UW in terms of tactics that we haven’t tried ourselves. As for numbers, depending on when you play, either of the sides could hold a small advantage.

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Kodash is nothing if not adaptable. Where some great fights. Still I have a question for FS.
Why do you guys tend to attack the the tower directly in front of our/Kodash spawn pointon BL when kodash owns it already instead of working on our own tower in front of your spawn point? I have now repeatingly seen this on piken BL where FS came to attack our tower (while owning nothing else besides maybe a camp), once even building a trebuchet. Kodash has developed a certain attachement to such towers and ofc it causes most of the respawn of ours to go defend there, forcing a whipe on you guys. And even more, it causes attention to wander from attacking piken to you guys when you are already on the low side. It this not very frustating?

The force we had on Piken BL in this case was one commander leading a mainly pug zerg which was still smaller than the Piken defending zerg and similar to Kodash’s. Your keep wasn’t the only thing we tried yesterday evening. If it wasn’t for the fact that it seems almost half our zerg don’t seem to carry supply or want to use it, we would have succeeded. On our second wipe in your Lord’s Room we were battering the reinforced gate with 2 rams. There were 2 unfinished rams despite us numbering 20+. If they had been completed we would have taken the keep. Instead you guys were given the chance to amass a defence in time. This is the frustrating thing for the few commanders remaining on our server. Random people make up most of our zergs these days and some of them simply prefer to shoot at walls and npc’s than carry siege/supply. That’s what the few remaining commanders on our server have to deal with.

We tried a number of times to take the tower near our spawn. On one occasion we got quite a lot of siege up and were catapulting the walls. As we were trying to hold you off from wiping our siege the large Piken zerg appeared and wiped us completely. They then hung around enough to force Kodash back into the tower then left…despite your wall being down to about 20% they didn’t try to take it. If they weren’t there to take the tower or defend anything they owned then why did they appear. Almost got the impression they were there to defend Kodash’s tower :p

As a FSP player I can’t say I enjoyed this week. Epitomised right now by us being outnumbered atleast 2 to 1 by Riverside on our own border and they splitting their forces in half with a portal to sandwich us and zerg us more efficiently. It’s been humiliating.

Hats off to the commanders still trying to get things going and to those still fighting the fight. It’s not easy trying to be organised when your “zerg” is made up mostly of unguilded players or small guilds. I haven’t always been on but I don’t think I have seen a group of 8+ players with the same tag all week. We don’t seem to have any guilds that can commit 20+ players to the battlefield. I hoped our victory in Tier 4 last week would be a turning point but it hasn’t turned out that way and I feel we are up against it to stay in Tier 4 next week.

As for the match itself….congrats to SFR on the win ( a handy win in the end). You seem good enough to atleast remain in Tier 2 and with a bit more recruitment you should get T1 sooner rather than later. Well played also to Riverside. It might come across as being a little bitter but I also feel that our server was “targetted” this week by the other 2. Most of the cross sword skirmishes and keep/tower/camp swapping seemed to be on our part of EB or in our border. Just an observation while I was playing.