Guild Wars 2

It is about timing ,cooperation, skill and all that.Its also about your ability to think and act fast.The random walls are a neat feature.Not everything should be predictible , its how you perform under those circumstances that makes it great.If you can’t handle it then the dungeon is not for you.Go do other dungeons that don’t pose too much of a challenge for you.Why should all dungeons be boring because you can’t handdle it, or the usual case, because you don’t care enough to engage in.
And haha..what an attitude.The trap is right there ! You know it is.Its right there ! you can see it ! but lol ..wut? I want big red circles whit indicator signs that say don’t stand there in that spot.

You’re wrong.
>>Dagger is only viable for Condition Thieves and BS .But BS is only for PvP.
>>Sword has the best raw damage compared to any other thief weapons.I hit up to 7k normal hits in dungeons like Arah.
>>Shot bow is the best weapon Thief has and The best short bow in game.Its great whit condition builds and power builds.You’re practicaly untoucheable using one and thats the whole point as a thief.And Shortbow is mostly for crowds.

And I was able to take a Veteran and 5 more centaurs in WvW whit my PvP Sword and dagger setup and finish the fight whit my HP intact.Do you understand what I am saying? I wasn’t even touched once ,while doing melee.

The swamp? Its the easiest and fastest fractal.But I guess I’ve been realy lucky not to be stuck doing it whit completly cluelesss people.The traps are obvious and you can jump over the walls and even if you’re not able its what? a 1 min step back?Common now..

Its my favorite fractal (mechanicaly) and I agree that the Ice elementals compared the power suit is not balanced.So what they could do is..Make Elemental stronger:D

There are other ways to prevent that from happening .A scale reset would break the whole porpose of it.Anyway, is there an official statement of this?

Just let us choose a difficulty based on the highest available in the party, not the lowest.

Yes I completly agree whit you.I wanted to create a thread for this myself but you’re way ahead of me I see.It realy breaks people appart and I’m sure Anet doesn’t want that.To be able to chose the difficulty level based on the highest available in the party is perfect.And those that do higher difficulty fractals could gain a level further also.

Hi everyone ,

First I just want just to say ..This dungeon is freakinasdah awesome manNo more zerg your way through all the dungeon .You need team work and coordonation and a certain level of engagement AND the fact the the scale goes up, its just briliant.I’ve heard around that the scale resets after 1 week and I hope thats not true ..It would be bad and bad and senseless -.-‘’
Anyhow..
The reason I’m here..and I don’t know if there were threads similar to this , I couldn’t see any so ..I’m making it now !
Theres a critical problem whit this dungeon thats needs to be adressed as fast as possible.Probaly Anet is aware of this but I just came from yet another crash in game , just on the last boss to get to the next level, and its SOOOaoisdhaoishdalaljdkklaklllll frustrating that you can’t get back in whit the others.So thats why I feel the need to accentuate this as much as possible .

Thats all..I don’t want it to be too long.
And sorry for my english , I know its not perfect.

Rifle/GS Warrior ,just as BS ,is a bad build..but as a thief , in any kind of build , you have the upper hand against those type of warriors.Theres absolutely nothing they can do.If they use GS use shortbow .They wont be able to touch you.If they use rifle go melee range and so on.That build is only OP in PvE and yes it should be done something about it.

Big deal.Time to log my Thief and lough it in your face.

quercus.9261:

Yeah that was my post in Thieves forum that started this. Yes when I am playing my 20 20 0 0 30 IP shatter build with all crit/power gear I can kill a thief if I can stun him out of stealth. How many thieves are you going to catch this way? Only the bad ones. The good ones only come out of stealth after they have stomped you.

Lately I have been seeing the new breed of D/D cond thieves out there. No mesmer build has a chance against this. No class of any kind has enough cond removal for this (not even a healing mantra mesmer with null field).

To be able to kill a condition thief is to cure all of his conditions , right o.o …good strategy !

Cya then. No offense, but backstab is too much. Even on my All toughness guard, it can do 2.5k damage and sometimes worse. That skill also can be spammed, and used while invisible. What do you expect Anet to do?

Is this a joke?You’re complaining about a skill that does 2.5k?2500 ?I feel you man..it must be a 1 shot kill.Ohhh .. and its spammable ..every 3-4 seconds !
FACEPALM
What should BS hit your thoughness guardian whit? 250? that shouldn’t pose much of a thread would it?Whit you ..you never know.

If it was satire , I appologise . I’ve seen them all so you never know.

When Did I made This Post? hehe ..sounds just like me.Nicely done.I always said that BS thieves are not the one they should actualy worry about .

I can’t detonate them in melee range either because they land really fast

By the way..there is an option in game to ‘’Fast-Cast ground targeting’’ skills.Its faster and I find it so much more effective.That way you’ll be able to detonate in melee range.

The easiest way to get the set is at Trading Post.You can get it for like 40-60 silver each.

I play Thief but for dungeons specificaly..I deffinately have to say Elementalists.I love having them around in dungeons .. spawning me weapons.:P
Guardians are overrated.What they have to offer isn’t realy necesary to run dungeons.The dungeons are realy not that hard to go through and usualy the class that packs the biggest damage is the best to go whit.Elementalists perform good at anything.Second to that ,Warriors are also always good having them arround but don’t worry about it too much.Realy any proffesion works in dungeons .Just play what you like, you wont be dissapointed.

time to react? you have plenty of time to react .Its not like you’re unable to move or anything.

Well you need to look what the skill says first.The lower the HP of the target the stronger Heartseeker is.

Theres Only one acceptable thing they could do..
Make Basilisk Venom breakable and to make up for the elite skill , add poison damage to it.That way you wont have anymore excuses for not being able to counter the combo and would make a better elite skill underwater.

Every proffesion has great mobility but you don’t want to use it.You run around whitout them.No stun breaks and no mobility options .Just the skills and weapons that do the biggest dent.Name one proffesion that has no mobility options.Rush alone has 1200 range.You’ll eventualy learn that the game is not only about Atack and Defence.Chose wisely what you bring on whit you.

Imagine if thief had a ’’bug’’ that were to hit over 40k damage.The forums would explode.

Those numbers are irrelevant.I never hit that much in sPvP .

@ LOCO
I began to think I am the only one right in the head ..either that or seriously detached from reality.

Only against people who have no clue whats happening.The same for those kills you’re getting.All I can say good luck whit that pro build yours whit 20% signet recharge.

ShadowStep?You mean the one on cooldown? You wont be running anywhere out of my Infiltrator’s strike. And you waste a good trait for something as useless as 20% venom recharge ? well good for you and good luck whit that.
I’m still waiting for someone to explain me whats OP about a BS thief.
Ohh and ye signet’s duration is 20 seconds and its cooldown is 45 seconds.So am sure you’ll be running whit that up.

Yes i can promise you , you will loose if you miss that comboEven if you do pull that combo you will still loose.And you can’t run around whit signet and venom up.The activation is double than the duration.And 1800 range is nothing whit those 2 infiltrator’s arrow.A player that knows what to do can always gain on you.And If i pop my thieves guild you wont be running anywhere trust me.And whit my Blinds good luck hitting that back stab.BS’ers are so helpless I can only lough out loud.And yet people still have problems whit them..HOW?

You think?you think wrong.Its not only Utility skills ..You forget about the Weapon skills ,Dodge ,Elite skills.Those are a lot of variables.A lot of options.Not to mention that you can completly negate all that combo if you actualy pay attention to whats happening around you.The moment they pop out Assasin’s signet you know whats comming.From there its too easy.

Funny because my thief doesn’t roll a BS build.In fact if BS gets nerfed I might get a buff again just like last time so its in my best interest.Why am defending BS? Because BS builds are a joke and you are wrong.
And funny because Necro are better bunkers whit cloth armour than heavy armour warrior any time.And you got 5k’s + 10k’s +6k’s HS’s on earth atunement elementalist whitout orbs of power and prenerfed AS? Ye..who do you think you’re fooling.
I’d apreaciate you stop talking to me.You’re clueless and not even capable to follow what I am saying.If you have any proof to any of your none-arguments you’ve brought up so far we can continue talking.
Only thing left to ask.Do elementalists realy get faceroled by every thief they encounter? rofl It has to be since Thief is sooooo OP.

You have 1 utility skill against a char whit the bar full of them.Who can catch who now.

First , BS thief wont use Witdraw they will use Hide in Shadows.Any BS thief in the right mind will use that because theres no way you can outrun conditions.
Second , do I have to go over every single mobility skill that the classes have to close gaps ?Ranged weapons ,criples , imobilise.You have all those options start using them.You can aply them faster than he can cure or escape.Warriors have that 5 slot skill that can run towards you .The eles can ride the lighnings.Mesmers can teleport ..I could go on.Don’t make up excuses and surely don’t blame it on thief.He has easier time escaping.Yes , he’s supposed to.He hits and runs.Thats what he does but it doesn’t make it imposible for you to catch him.For all that thieves still don’t deserve a nerf.Maybe you could use a buff instead but now thats different.
And Id love to fight the people you’re fighting in sPvP.

Bond.4813:

Those are the numbers on my full exotic bunker ele. And yes, i expect to kill any class if i play a fully equiped char.
I get the impression that you think i dont play a thief at all. Tbh im sceptical you ever played galss cannon thief ever. There are plenty of screen shots by other lvl 80 exotic players that got hit for extreme numbers. Than again i understan your position… no kid wants their fav toy taken away.

Ohhh no you didn’t …hahahaha didn’t you said you highly doubt I ever played a glass cannon thief ever? now what ..I do and don’t wanna loose my toy? Make up your mind.Present me whit an argument.Back up those arguments whit proofs.So far you did nothing of that.You can’t even read properly.
And even if those numbers were to be true ,You do realise that WvWvW by design is unbalanded right?It has nothing to do whit Thief being OP .The Assassin’s signet had been nerfed and there are no more orbs of power.Those numbers on any kind of bunker builds are not possible anymore .Maybe ,just MAYBE is extream circumstances which are not likely to happen .You can’t play me around whit empty words buddy.

16k huh ? I’d love to have those numbers when I do sPvP.The question is not if its possible its how viable it is.

Keep applying.They surely can’t witdraw forever.And when I said generaly slow I meant generaly slow.Rather not use slow minded.
This tread is realy hilarious because BS doesn’t deserve that much attention:))For now most of the thives play BS build but wait till thats out of the picture .Just like Rouchneck said.

I don’t see how a nerf on BS would affect the other builds.In fact the other builds will most likely get a buff if that happens.But I realy don’t see the reason to nerf BS builds even more. Its realy not that good.To nerf it more just because people are generaly slow would make the game a joke.

I’ve said this in lot of other threads aswell.Don’t let them escape.You are capable of gaining of them too.Thieves might have shadow step to close gaps and escape but you have swiftness and movement skills.Its the same thing.
Cripple is your best friend.

All classes have escape abilities ,CC’s ,tricks what ever.All of them work just as good.

All it takes is 1 knockdown to destroy you and you say thats an effective build ?I wont say class because I play a different build myself and I rarely have any problems against BS thieves.I do mess up somethimes and die but I win most of the times.So Yes , a good player should be able to win every single time if he doesn’t mess up.Considering both are equaly skilled.
And Yes thieves are realy good at taking people ,who has no clue at what they’re doing , down.
OP? no.

As if the thieves are the only ones that have movement skills and close gaps.They have shadow step you have swiftness and more.
I love the number you pulled for the backstab and I specialy love when you say you can’t see it.And you can’t seee thief why exacly?he needs to touch-close to get invisible.You see him perfecly fine and whats about to happen.
Thief’s strategy is to hit and run.Your strategy is to presure your opponent.Don’t play your class as if you were thief and expect to be better at it .

Aha..haha
quickness you say? Say buh bye to dodge.Then 1 knockdown buh bye quickness , buhbye last utility skill.If you know how to do your fights ,no thief can harm you.After you made him burn all his resources in the first seconds of the fight he’s all yours.

Hahahahaha
Where did you get those numbers? WvW against low leveled and undergeared?Ye i’m sure those people you pull those numbers totaly have a clue.And even if they did ,you expect them to kill a full exotic thief? You make it easier whit every post you write.
You can play your elementalist all your life, if you say you get inta killed like that like BS Thieves are superior to anything an elementalist can trow at you then pretty much sums it up how much of a clue you have.

Last time I checked CC didn’t consist only in stuns.You just don’t understand that after the thief used his burst he has nothing left.A few HS that can be easily avoided.If that guy heals its over for the thief.And that doesn’t mean you need to be a bunker to beat him but if you’re running a glass cannon build yourself you asumed those risks upon yourself.Its your responsability to look around and not be taken by surprise.Like I said BS bursts are so predictible which makes them easy to counter.

You had no point then and you still have no point now.You obviously don’t play a lot of different classes or play them well to compare them in the first place.You talk as if BS build is the best there is..Might be good against people who have no clue what they do but thats always the case whit burst classes.That doesn’t make it OP.

Let me get it straight for you.I am Not playing a BS thief and I couldn’t care less if they nerf it or not.In fact if they do they will probaly buff some other type of builds which is in my interest but YOU’RE WRONG.After that 12k combo of yours that Thief has nothing left.He’s burned almost all his utilities and half the initiative and the elite skill.He maybe has some initiative left for some HS’s.While you can heal at least half of the ammount of what he trew at you.That thief wont put a dent on a class like the Warrior or Necro’s that have up to freakin 30k HP ! Thats OP to you?
As if you’d need such a thing as defences or HP to counter thief.Their move is so predictible even whit half the brain of a mentaly kitten dolyak could negate it.1 single and precise dodge or a stun break is enough to destroy their combo and render them completly helpless.1 CC and he’s dead.Its not us who needs to get better at our proffesion ,ITS YOU.

Thers no debate.You’d have to be insane to waste hours for nothing !

Aha..you’ll run a 4 hours Arah dungeon for 20 silver and 60 tokens?:)) You must have a lot of time on your head.

Its bad because I eat those thieves alive whit ease.You would too.You just don’t have time to spare from all that whining.Just like this ranger.
http://youtu.be/ZZMl4S4C7Sk
Thieves are very distinct proffesions.Learn how to counter them .
You don’t even have an argument to why thieves are OP in the first place because you have no clue about the class. You just whine like a ..well thats sexist.

Blade trail mediocre?Wheres that screen whit 17k or more blade trail?OHHH and its range.Eviscerate takes 12k and it doesn’t take all the positioning and buffing and utilities BackStab requires.I don’t think I managed to hit more than 8k BS since they nerfed Assasin’s Signet in sPvP .Yet I don’t play that much BS thief.Its terrible and you ,apperanly more.
The problem is not whit BS.In fact ,I don’t even see the problem at all.You have no arguments what so ever but you come here and cry for nerfs.Most of you never even played a thief.All I’ve seen on forum about thieves being OP is a screen of a guy that gets hit 8k .And a video of some kitten ranger getting killed by 5k backstabs.When people were complainig about 25k BS I was like ..ok I guess thats too much.That was legitimate .I didn’t said a word then.But seriously now?

Ohh I missed that part..
Highest Damage burst?Are you insane? Did you see a warrior whit quickness doing his combo?Thief is not even close to highest damage burst of all the classes.Maybe the quickest burst but thats ALL they have .They have no defences what so ever .They only make up whit mobility and stealth.
And highest Condition Damage? wow..you know nothing about thieves and proffesions in general to claim such a thing.

A back stab thief is the easiest of them all to counter and beat.If you have problems against them you don’t stand a chance against the others.

I too support the changes that have been done to the Thief.But now the BS is fine.The damage is no where near overpowered.5-8k? give me a break.The damage is fine.
I wouldn’t care much either since I play S/D mainly and I would love some buffs there instead of BS but people are wrong .

The damage of backstab is fine.I usualy hit 5k-6k on most targets.Thats OP to you? Take a look at warriors then.
I agree on flanking strike tho.The skill is nice but only for evade and boon removal and thats not worth the initiative.

@crewthief he just explained you what to do to counter a thief in detail.

Hahahahaha..not mean enough to my liking but epic nonetheless .

@Bold You have no arguments and no proof what so ever for that story telling of yours.I can easily copy that ..Once upon a time I took on a elementalist and a guardian in the same time , end up taking the point , killing them both then a warrior showed up and faceplanted me in 2 seconds.True story.Now the moral of my story ..Warriors are OP? No they are not .And neither thieves.You’re just bad.
All proffesions have the ablity to burst down people in no time.Thieves are not any different than any proffesion.In fact, because they are so squishy, the only thing they can make up whit is mobility and speed.The same way Warrior makes up whit more HP and Defence.
And so what if they don’t require skill (which is debateable but I’m not even going to bother since I don’t give a dam what you think) ,what is it to you? what bothers you? Go back to that class of yours that requires tone of skill and be satisfied and let us be.