That combo doesn’t insta kill you and If you don’t take into consideration positioning (that if you don’t care hitting from behind) its still 1.5secs or more.If you walk around whit not even the minimum defences and not paying attention to your surroandings you deserve to be facerolled.
And any class can do that to you not just the thieves.
I found warriors quite scary.Been bull rushed ,then hb, and even tho i evaded the momment I got ,it it still took a big chunk of my hp and get facerolled by the next eviscerate.Considering he used quickness that happened very fast too.Do you hear me complaining? No its my fault because I didn’t took my time to look around and see him comming.
Ohh and rolling full damage spec whitout defences and expect to survive a class best damage output.Thats silly ..
The Thief doesn’t need a rework.YOU need some brains, walker.A thief used shadow refuge to res his whole team? while you stood by and did what? Look for them around because you can’t see them?I can only imagine you , walking around ,like a zomby .. Where could they possibly be I wonder !? Sorry bro but its hilarious how bad you are.
Backstab combo? Lets see..Steal + C&D+BS Thats about 1.5 seconds and its not enough to take someone down.Id love to see ya try that on a Warrior whit over 30k HP and some decent thoughness.
+1 aaron.Anet’s philosophy is to discourage fighting against eachother and encouraging
the server comunity.But a duel system wont hurt anyone.Fighting eachother is a choice and having the means or not wont change anything.I realy hope Anet will eventualy change their mind.
No thankfully ANET is not stupid.I have complete trust in them.What ever nerfs and buffs might accur wont make the thief class any less awesome than it is right now:)
OMG you 0 have understanding of a class and how to counter it and you cry for nerfs.You don’t even try.How pathetic.Learn how to counter the thief.You can’t possibly expect to be able to counter a Thief the same way as a Warrior.Be aware of surroundings.Thief wont stealth untill he is realy close you.Impossible not to see him if you look around.Never had a thief speak up on me.You’re just terrible.Those kind of thieves that burst down people that fast has no Defensive utilities , extreamly low health and defence.You don’t freak out and run the other way around.You deserve to die ! You atack back.Dodge ,You knock him down.You imobilise him.You stun him.Daze him.Chill him…..SHOULD I GO ON? For crying out loud ,this whining..Its emberrassing.
You know you’re right..I looked more into it and you can’t break out of Basilisk Venom .But for your information Basilisk Venom doesn’t daze.It turns you into stone for a second and half.And you Shouldn’t be able to break free.Its a freakin elite skill .
Also , while dazed you’re free to move, even tho you can’t use your skills.
And no thief can kill you in a second and half.You have plenty of time to react and negate the rest of the burst (if you didn’t do it in the first place),evade and heal .Those hits is all they have.If they miss that burst they have nothing left but for you to kill them.If you can’t manage that well you’re just not good enough.Or what you just can’t keep up whit the speed?Thats just you buddy.Screaming for nerfs is just pathetic.
But I realy don’t mind Thieves getting looked at.Nerfing one area while buffing the other.Sure if it has too..for all of ya slowww people.:)I realy liked the other nerf on Assassin’s signet.Bring us more of those.
The majority of people here complaining about Thieves never even heard of stun breakers .The recent video added on Thief forum is just the evidence of that.Should we take them into consideration? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZMl4S4C7Sk
The Thief is obviously OP whit that 5k Back Stab.
Warriors Eviscerate can pull the same damage and doesn’t take that much possitioning and buffing.
I am a thief player and blablabla .No you’re not.
Thieves are designed that way to burst people down .Thats why they use initiative in the first place instead of CD’s.
Idc if they nerf the thief.Be my guest .I never started playing a thief because they were strong in the first place.In the end ,nerfed or not ,I will still kick your kitten no matter what they will do.Watching you whine on board only makes my day.
I feel you.Never happened to me but had friends and I was forced to sit and watch while they were being pushed around by these Keyboard Warriors then ultimately being kicked out of the group just as we reach the end of the Dungeon. ANET needs to increase the number of people that has to agree upon kicking someone out.
I do find it fun.I rarely have problems whit it.The only problem I have is finding people who are experienced / skilled enough to pull it though.They should add closer Way Points to it for the likes of everyone or AT LEAST increase the rewards.Arah can’t compare to any other Dungeon as dificulty and yet the rewards are the same.Thats too stupid.
To all those that cry that people don’t take you in their group because you never done it before well.. I’D TELL YOU TO GO DO SOMETHING TO YOURSELF …But since that ‘d probaly get me a warning..
I just came from an Arah path2 run.It took 30 mins only to explain them what to do.And after an hour of trying and trying and trying and failing and faling and failing again , I $$*$%7346j gave up.So Don’t Come Here to Tell ME WHO I can take in my group or not.
30 Points in Critical for the damage and the rest in survivability (what ever you might preffer) and you got yourself a build that deals a great deal of damage and good survivability.Good Whit Crowds , good for 1v1 .Hell its awesome PvE too:)
Non condition build other than D/D Glass Cannon is whit sword.Either S/D (which I use and simply love) or S/P.I use Power/Thoughness/Vit on my armour and Berserker on Weapons and Trinkets.
Well thieves are quite the loners too .And a D/D Condition build would make you invulnerable for most of the active battle and great amounts of damage.
Let me get it straight for you infidels.Thief is not good at survivability , its the best.I’ll give you some time to process that .
Wait what am I saying !
..you’re right folks .Thief sucks !
ANET do something !
I think some of you hurt Thief pride here and its understadible because you’re wrong.Thief might not have THE best sustainable DPS of em all and might suck against long range single targets but Thief does NOT suck in PvE.If you claim that you’re nothing but a fool.
Your damage comes from traits too.That argument is so silly.And TS and CaD are not the only beneficial skills.Flanking strikes is amazing .Might not be good for PvP but in PvE you wont have problems whit it.Nice evasion good damage .What more would you want.
Sure and our Cluster bombs don’t do 2k damage does 4k whitout the bleeds and it doesn’t leave you open to atacks.And by the time you dish out 1 HB we spam 6 CB worths of initiative(the least) so up to you whats better.
Sure and our Cluster bombs don’t do 2k damage does 4k whitout the bleeds and it doesn’t leave you open to atacks.And by the time you dish out 1 HB we spam 6 CB worths of initiative so up to you whats better.
@Daecollo well you obviously didn’t played a thief.I run a S/D in pvm and its a bit more offensive. I permanently aply blinds every 3 seconds while doing 2-3k damage whit Cloak and Dagger and also 1k whit daze.Sword does 3 hits and each hit whit my sword I do between 1.2-2k whit first 2 atacks and 2.4-3k whit 3’rd hit.I compared today whit a warrior damage Streght and discipline build.The warrior was hitting 4k Hundred Blades and 600 each hit ,1.2 crits maybe but I don’t know how often he lands them but I do each single time.I am not full damage either.I am only 30 criticals and the rest in survivability.I don’t even have to mention that after 50% I get 20% more damage and my survivability is better than a warriors any time of the day even if i spec full damage.
So what are warriors realy better at than a thieves.I don’t see any thief complaying on thief board but take a look on warrior threads.:)
No, you leveled a thief, it’s glaringly obvious that you never really played one (trying to imitate a warrior is not playing a thief – It’s ‘trying to imitate a warrior’)
..well said.I enjoy playing my thief.I play Warrior ,Elementalist and Mesmer too and I have it much harder whit them than on my thief PvE and Specialy PvP.
Well shadow refuge does nice heal , stealths for a big perioud .Its a combo field and can be aoe blind.So theres protection and heal.For damage theres Choking Gass poison combo field but ye we could use more of those.
If you wanna do activities such as those that way you can go full dps since you don’t need anything else and you wont have any problems since you don’t farm alone those events.So whit shortbow you’ll be better farmer than a warrior whit whirling axe any time.
While I agree that our sustainable DPS isn’t that great because of the freakin nerfs , Condition based builds have decent sustainable damage and maximum survivability.
Someone said thieves are bad at bosses.I dissagree.Exept maybe Lupicus because you can’t Melee that thing until 50% but no one can survive better against it ,permanent evasion ftw.We pulled a lot of runs because I was able to survive until the others revived and came back.When we start on something I always go first as a thief because no matter what they trow at me I can always negate those atacks.So thats some of other things what I bring to my team as a thief.And the runs go significantly faster because I am able to skipp trash and pull the next Way Point whitout any danger to my team.Like the Golem part in Arah p2 or any skippable trash after Lupicus which are realy hard to outrun for most.Or just stealth them though it any time.
I wouldn’t say by far.Depends what you preffer and what build you’re running.But as a thief its preffereble not to let yourself open.In pvm some situations may work better but I would never trade Hide in Shadows for Signet of Malice whit my build.
Edit:Sorry I thought you meant heal.Yes it heals more but letting yourself open to atacks you expose yourself to a lot more damage aswell .
Well maybe the weapon choice doesn’t fit much the build .And you should always have a ranged weapon whit you.Short bow is great for condition build and also great mobility.
As for D/D in my oppinion a stealthy approach is better.Signet of malice heal isn’t realy appropriate for a close combat aproach as the thief is rather squishy.Signet of malice goes way better whit pistols instead.
This is what I use for my D/D Condition Thief. http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fYAQNAoYVlUm6OHfy9E95EB3Djm0m6f4r9MuqWB
You get acces to a **** load of initiative as each stealth gives you 2 initiative so you can spam Death Blossom over and over again.Shadow Refuge also heals you and restores your initiative completly so you’re never likely to run out of initiative.Stealth skills also give you blinds , heal and what better defence is there than being freakin invisible:PAnd also the numerous Back Stab’s for aditional raw damage.
I don’t know about you but dying and failing doesn’t sound fun to me.If people want a smooth run who are you to condamn them.I never had the heart to kick a newbie from my party but most of the times I did run a party whit them it was significantly harder and took longer then its supposed to take.
You got kicked from a party well buhuu..They don’t owe you anything.Instead you owe them a valuable party member.I remember I was low level too , struggling whit CM.I was a complete failure.People were patient whit me but that doesn’t mean that people who are less patient are horrible.Different people look for different kind of experience.Grow up.
I said a path not each.And try path 1 whit pugs see how long it takes you.Ye I’m sure you’ll solo it thoughtout the entire run because you don’t suck that bad.What a smart reply from a realy smart person.
..you don’t get it.I’ve done this dungeon a billion times , you don’t need to tell me how much it takes.And yes I did see the video where they do the forgotten path in 25 mins but you’re wrong .You know why? Because we are generaly talking and Path3 and 20 minutes are not reliable.Your argumention is wrong and not even relevant.
20 minutes? 1200 seconds? I don’t think you meant that ,or if you did ,your notion of time is a bit messed up.
Theres not even a debate between the level of difficulty between Arah and CoF.
I’m all in for that , I can apreciate a good challenge but whit these rewards its worthless.It is completly unfair that after 3 or more hours spent on a path in Arah you get the same reward as a few minutes run in Citadel of Flame.If you decide to increase the level of difficulty of a dungeon then increase the rewards aswell.
And 1 last final thought.Why not make the dungeons an actual source of good gold.I’ve got myself 2 different sets of exotics and I see no more reason to do dungeons.Instead of encoureging people to farm the same mobs over and over again, you’d do yourself a favor to make the dungeons worth while.
I played for a while P/P in PvE against bosses and what I did was get 2 initiative every time you go into stealth and you also get the stealth burst for more damage.3 extra initiative from trickery.Roll for initiative restores a lot of your initiative back and its a stun break.Shadow refuge also restores you all the initiative back.So if you play right you never run out of initiative.Glass Cannon whit P/P not such a good idea ,a stealthy more defenceful built more effective.
I didn’t read all the posts but I can give you an idea.Did you saw the P/P NPC in heart of the mists?I Tested my warrior on that.It was by far the hardest thing to kill out there.Why? Aoe Blind. Try use that more often ,specialy against melee.Intrerupt also a great skill.Its not all about damage its about controlling the target and damaging when the time is right.
If you can’t counter it before, you won’t be able to counter it now.
4k + 4k + 15k = dead
5k + 5k + 12k still = dead lol
Dead? perhaps you..I will never go down that easy specialy whit that combo.Only if I’m AFK.Glass Cannon builds are viable only against stupid or newbs.They keep whining that they nerfed their precious AS and that makes thief useless.I’m a thief too and never used this build and I destroy everyone I fight and specialy Glass Cannon .
And still you’ll die way more as a Warrior than as a Thief pve or pvp any time.Ask yourself what is better , take a little more damage or not take damage at all
Probaly Guardians are better at tanking, I wouldn’t know, but am pretty sure they lack damage which thieves don’t, even if they are thoughness build.Though I don’t recomand you to play a Thief unless you’re realy good at playing one.
Run out of initiative ? So ? How long does it takes for your AOE skill to recharge?or Any strong AOE out there for that matter? Cluster Bomb takes 3 initiative.That means after spamming 6 or more Cluster Bombs you only need to wait 3 more secs to use another.
