Guild Wars 2

pita spoon.5708:

Kaamau.5341:

IT MOVES OR IT HAS DOORS, SWARM IT! KILL IT WITH NUMBERS!

I find this true with any server!!..

Or especially true when they see any combination of scarecrow, regerg, or me roaming around.

Jesse.4631:

bokkieskitten.8023:

Jesse.4631:

O.o wtf happened so much peace last week now its gone… lol

Your people hate my people! They can’t seem to share the <3 we do……

Duels later?

Don’t worry i love gom i’ll whisper you when i get on xD been kinda bored so i need these duels

That you Silent Surfer?

“Final note on the general mesmer thing, they dont slot mantras because they are held into other roles that they do even better, not that mantras are unviable (hell you can be a better healer than a ele with mantra spam since you also daze the enemy and provide quite strong secondary damage with phantasam bleeds/confusion.”

Did you seriously call the secondary damage of phantasm bleeds/confusion strong with that kind of role? Confusion has been nerfed so that even running a condition build, it still hardly makes people wince when they have it now. Factor in to place that you have a whole 75 cond damage and 0% condition duration with this setup, bleeds and confusion do nothing at all.

Glamours outside of zerg fighting are basically useless. There are some engagements where feedback can be strong (facing multiple ranged foes like rangers) but null field generally more a utility cleanse for a mesmer as the boon stripping can easily be avoided and aside from running into a group of boon guardians doesn’t even hamper our opponents much unless there are several mesmers around carrying it.

As others have stated, stop calling nerf this and nerf that but rather ask for some buffs where there are holes in the profession. BTW, balancing doesn’t mean that every class/build should be able to be every other class in a particular engagement (whether 1v1 or group setting).

pita spoon.5708:

King Amadaeus.8619:

Darek.1836:

King Amadaeus.8619:

Nordic Natedog.4360:

I’m curious to know who the SF Major warrior that was roaming around FC’s borderland was today. He appeared to be a full zerker, hitting pretty hard, and then fleeing as good as an ele after downing a guy with other foes nearby. It seemed he liked to run and have a good laugh after doing so.

Was he a male Sylvari with a Legendary GS?

Pfft what am I even saying, if it was Palace none of you would have survived to even post in here…

think I fought that guy a long time ago, he barely beat me. now that my build is around 20x better Id like to fight him again.

I would tell you where to look for him, but:

A. Nobody knows
B. Once you did find him it would be too late for you

I was at south camp of fc bl a little while ago. a zerker warrior came up to me and downed me.. but he didn’t finish me and went away.. npc guards healed me and I went back to him.. I beat him to within a spit of his life and he ran away. he came back with a necro and I killed the necro. I fought the warrior again and downed him and returned the favor and went away.. he kept trying to come back and get me but couldn’t get me down again.

good fights to you sir.

That sounds just like the guy I was seeing. He downed me the first time I faced him, but after that initial time he couldn’t get me low in health even. He even jumped me twice while I was facing a group of FC (once a 1v3 situation and the other 1v5).

I’m curious to know who the SF Major warrior that was roaming around FC’s borderland was today. He appeared to be a full zerker, hitting pretty hard, and then fleeing as good as an ele after downing a guy with other foes nearby. It seemed he liked to run and have a good laugh after doing so.

pulsecodesgnl.3470:

LordKael.7260:

They only said they might have found the source, so it’s not clear at all if/when a fix will take place.

I loved you Kael, you were my sun and my moon.

No longer! The dust-sized pieces my heart hkittentered (seriously? they edited “has” “shattered”?) into will never repair. So now at every opportunity I will blow the particles into your eyes and blind you. Forever blinded, I don’t want your realistic news sir!

I thought you were going to continue the line. ‘You are my sun and moon, my star-lit sky.. without you, I dwell in darkness.’

I’ve been running a condition tank spec even through the time since they nerfed confusion. After that nerf, I was pretty ticked since I lost the only real ‘burst’ damage we cond mes have. With this added condition, I have tried our using scepter more (I usually preferred sword on my 2nd set) and have to say I’m liking it. As a cond mes, one of my biggest problems is my foe getting low health and running way. Now, they run with torment on them and it really helps finish them off. I have found it best to use it later in a fight although I haven’t done a lot of 1v1 with it just yet.

Well, there were plenty of buffs to other professions and our own skills. Personally I don’t feel any squishier although I have noticed the less protection from using BF. Since I am not a shatter heavy player, retal doesn’t really hurt me that much. In fact, I feel my condition spec actually has more punch now (especially since playing around with scepter more).

Zumi.6384:

Yay, a mesmer using confusion! Are you running a full condi spec Angelic?

I’m running a full cond tank setup. 3k armor thanks to rabid gear with melandru runes. My trinkets are a hodge-podge of rabid, celestial, and apothecary. This leaves me with 1.4k condition damage base and 1650 when I am stacked up with corruption.

I’ve been running this build for months while tweaking things and feel this provides great tanking while keeping constant pressure with my conditions with confusion stacking for my burst damage. I wish they would give some of the confusion damage back to bring it back to some of it’s old glory.

With the changes to Prismatic Understanding, I’ve been trying to run with signet of inspiration more to load up my boons onto my allies more often.

Scarecrow.5792:

Nordic Natedog.4360:

TeamBattleAxe.3901:

In this video, Scarecrow runs around in circles while I do all the work. >:/

http://youtu.be/yyMpX-OUZnM

Yeah, poor crow did nothing but tank 3 guys while you played footsie with that first guy. Always fun to run with you guys.

In this video I run around in circles whilst Angelic does all the work! http://youtu.be/oT4_PALzqTM

I still say that was a great drop on that ele at the end. Poor guy got loaded up with stacks of confusion so once your stun wore off and my immob kicked it, he dropped like a rock. I will say you make a great decoy for me to run around.

TeamBattleAxe.3901:

In this video, Scarecrow runs around in circles while I do all the work. >:/

http://youtu.be/yyMpX-OUZnM

Yeah, poor crow did nothing but tank 3 guys while you played footsie with that first guy. Always fun to run with you guys.

irishhaf.1692:

QuickLime.7253:

TeamBattleAxe.3901:

Advanced Tots Tactics 101:
When getting blown up by a stealthless thief, it’s time to unleash the META ZERG!

http://youtu.be/0xhMILdfp3c

The RH tag has that effect on people.

“OMG!! Guyz! There is one RH over there!! Get the server over here!! WAIT! He’s looking at us? RUN!! RUN AWAY!! O.o”

Where is this mythical solo player from GOM Ive never seen it, you guys do know 5 people is not considered solo by most every other server on this end of the rankings.

I roam all the time by myself. I will join up with a few of my fellow roamers (i.e. the artist formerly known as Regerg) but usually am perfectly happy to take on other roamers or groups.

titanlectro.5029:

katz.8376:

oh, and it looks like SOMEONE is certainly distracted with the dragonbashing… heh

No surprise there. The last time a holiday event came out, GoM dropped down to T8.

That isn’t true at all. We dropped to T8 when Anet decided to change things up. First we won a week, then HoD got a huge influx of players (having us go to third) from free transfers the following week and the finally they updated the scoring setup putting us in T8. But yes, we were greatly hindered when that Super Adventure Box stuff came out thanks to tons of players mixed up in it.

Parktou.4263:

Had some good fights so far….Special shout out to the [nine] guild you guys have some class for 1v1ing me for a little while instead of tryin to steamroll the solo roamer like every other guild i run into, so my hats off to ya!

@the guardian from IP, Indigo something or other….it was a good fight, just too bad it had to end in a stalemate.

@the human thief from CIA, child please…I laughed so hard when you came around the corner and sat there and waited for the other 2…I knew I was gettin a rep for murderin Y’all better fear me and run the other way

Haha, see? look at all those FC hidin on the wall instead of takin me on, guess we did have a nice emote battle goin though…until that one mesmer got brave and tried to sneak up on me, and then subsequently got whipped until he decided the world was too cruel and jumped off the cliff….lol jumping down and dancing on you was worth it even if your friends did come over and bravely gang up on me 3v1 ;D

All in all, I wanted some new servers to slaughter, but its nice havin some GoM and FC to farm in the meanwhile, good luck this week.

I’m game. Although if you jump me you’d likely just run away or die for your trouble.

THE Dentist.5960:

Like Forty Seven Ninjas.6982:

Alls I know is 2 dudes from SPCA embarresed the hell out of me and some other gents in some bl at least once this week. A char mesmer and a guardian. Hats of to you two, i was the engi who kept getting killed on account of trying a new TERRIBLE build (wellllllll and you guys completely out played us).

Sounds like you met Wafflez and Horse

That’s who I was going to say it was. It’s nothing to get down about when you lose to those 2 since they know what they are doing and are very good at it.

JamboHammer.4397:

Nordic Natedog.4360:

JamboHammer.4397:

Oozo.7856:

JamboHammer.4397:

Funny DH run into that keep more bro

You are in a group of five thieves. I’m pretty sure you have forfeited the right to call any one else a “kitten”.

lmfaoo cuz its fun watching ppls health drop in a split second from 5 backstabs but go back to ur zergs bro and if u want i can change that to 1 engi 2 thieves and an ele if u really want and u will get destroyed just as bad

I would hope you can kill a single target with 5 guys fairly quickly, no matter what the professions are. But I suppose the difference being that you would normally see other professions coming where’s 5 thieves could hit the target without being seen at all.

lmfaoo if u look at the screenshot smart guy there is 5 dh there not 1 need glasses?

I’m laughing too. I said if 5 guys target a single foe (doesn’t matter if there are other foes around him) you should be able to drop that person very quickly (if not instantly). Again, 5 thieves can pick out a single guy to hit without even realizing that he is the target. Which is what I said only in a more generic way.

JamboHammer.4397:

Oozo.7856:

JamboHammer.4397:

Funny DH run into that keep more bro

You are in a group of five thieves. I’m pretty sure you have forfeited the right to call any one else a “kitten”.

lmfaoo cuz its fun watching ppls health drop in a split second from 5 backstabs but go back to ur zergs bro and if u want i can change that to 1 engi 2 thieves and an ele if u really want and u will get destroyed just as bad

I would hope you can kill a single target with 5 guys fairly quickly, no matter what the professions are. But I suppose the difference being that you would normally see other professions coming where’s 5 thieves could hit the target without being seen at all.

Rob.7624:

Nordic Natedog.4360:

Got to love the poor class of Os on NSP. After a great fight in which it was 2v6 (me and Pita) in which they finally got us down after we had gotten 3 of them, we had another big fight at vale. It went back and forth beginning as a 3v3 and ended up at least 6v6 with GoM finally coming out on top. I ran into Os back at the ruins and figured I would pay them some respect by bowing. They jumped me so I figured I’d back off and give them space. I went to the bridge at briar and bowed again just to get jumped again. After a few minutes of fighting, they got me (1v6) and their classy commander laughs. I’m not exactly sure what you felt by that but i suppose when it takes 6 to kill one guy, you need to buff your ego somehow.

Between you targets buff line and his “Golden” title you see a black outline in the distance on the arch scratching his head.

Thats me.

Didn’t think you were worth chasing since every time we fought GoM and you started to lose you just ran to an NPC/Camp/Into tower (which is what happened at vale if you failed to notice your mesmers just standing in NPC range lol).
This time you were too slow.
I myself may laugh when I spiked someone through the head who just kept running away (clone tp or something) when their hp was low. Although I prefer a good shrug.

Vaks tag wasn’t on, it was just bug buffed. Happens when you log off with it on.
And oh my your graphics are low.

I hope this cleared up any confusion (mesmer joke intended?)

I try to stay as long as possible in a 1vX situation. As it was, I bowed in the ruins, then backed off to the bridge and bowed again. 2 then followed me down and attacked me on the bridge, so I began to fight back. When it became 4+, I backed to the NPC’s. At that point you guys had 6 on me so am I suppose to just stay and die or try to go into the tower?? I still don’t know why I didn’t make it back into the tower. I used blink but it must have glitched or I got downed the instant I teleported, since I ended up right at the entrance to the tower.

As far as vale is concerned, I never once ran back to the NPC’s. In fact, aside from being knocked off the top area a few times, I stayed on that ramp the entire time. I did see the necro (not Os I understand) and one of your other allies go running away from that encounter (towards the hill on the south side of the camp where your spawn is). I know about the necro since I was tearing him up when he ran off so I turned towards the rest of you all.

moutzaheadin.4029:

Sometimes when we 5v1 someone we laugh and sit on them. Yell “Outplayed” and hope they post on the forums about it. Its just another form of fun.

Os is a great group, poor sports is the last thing I would describe them as.

I’m not saying they in general are. I was talking about one situation and it was related to their commander. Again, I was looking to send them props before this laugh even occurred. The screen shot even showed that I bowed, twice.

moutzaheadin.4029:

Nordic Natedog.4360:

Got to love the poor class of Os on NSP. After a great fight in which it was 2v6 (me and Pita) in which they finally got us down after we had gotten 3 of them, we had another big fight at vale. It went back and forth beginning as a 3v3 and ended up at least 6v6 with GoM finally coming out on top. I ran into Os back at the ruins and figured I would pay them some respect by bowing. They jumped me so I figured I’d back off and give them space. I went to the bridge at briar and bowed again just to get jumped again. After a few minutes of fighting, they got me (1v6) and their classy commander laughs. I’m not exactly sure what you felt by that but i suppose when it takes 6 to kill one guy, you need to buff your ego somehow.

This happens to me daily, why do you care, I sure don’t.

I want them to /sit/laugh/dance/teabag.. go for it, it makes me laugh.

Edit – it also makes you look whiney when you post this stuff.

Well, I get it done to me all the time as well. Often I don’t care much at all one way or another. At times I find it quite funny like when its 1v5+ and one guy decides to puff up their chest about killing 1 guy. These I like to share with others here on the forum so we can all get a good laugh at this person.

As far as this situation goes, I was pointing out that I was looking to give them props and their Commander was the one who laughed. I don’t care if I die. Don’t care if I was outnumbered or if it was even. I just find it as poor sportsmanship when a ‘leader’ is the one doing this kind of thing especially given the situation and when its a well known guild like Os is.

Got to love the poor class of Os on NSP. After a great fight in which it was 2v6 (me and Pita) in which they finally got us down after we had gotten 3 of them, we had another big fight at vale. It went back and forth beginning as a 3v3 and ended up at least 6v6 with GoM finally coming out on top. I ran into Os back at the ruins and figured I would pay them some respect by bowing. They jumped me so I figured I’d back off and give them space. I went to the bridge at briar and bowed again just to get jumped again. After a few minutes of fighting, they got me (1v6) and their classy commander laughs. I’m not exactly sure what you felt by that but i suppose when it takes 6 to kill one guy, you need to buff your ego somehow.

Palu.3405:

Nordic Natedog.4360:

Palu.3405:

I use Arcane Thievery a lot in WvW. Aegis blocking it used to be a much larger issue. Since the bug fix mentioned by Nretep, I’ve noticed that it usually steals Aegis, but every once and a while it will get blocked. However, this happens very, very rarely. I think the bigger issue is that it’s description says it will remove conditions, but it will always fail if you’re blinded (not that this is a bad thing… it is just very counter-intuitive).

Arcane thievery doesn’t remove conditions, it transfers them. With that being said, yeah it doesn’t make sense that blind would stop arcane thievery when it is suppose to cause the next attack to fail.

Transferring them REMOVES them from yourself and applies them to your target, so I’m not really seeing your point here other than making a semantic argument.

The end result as far as it goes to your own character is the same, but doesn’t make the terms equivalent. It is more than a ‘semantic argument’. The terms are clearly not the same, their effects are not entirely the same (only the part on your character), and the skills description clearly states transfer and not remove. I made the minor correction to clarify for others and then added my opinion that sounds very much in line with yours. I’m not exactly seeing the problem here.

Palu.3405:

I use Arcane Thievery a lot in WvW. Aegis blocking it used to be a much larger issue. Since the bug fix mentioned by Nretep, I’ve noticed that it usually steals Aegis, but every once and a while it will get blocked. However, this happens very, very rarely. I think the bigger issue is that it’s description says it will remove conditions, but it will always fail if you’re blinded (not that this is a bad thing… it is just very counter-intuitive).

Arcane thievery doesn’t remove conditions, it transfers them. With that being said, yeah it doesn’t make sense that blind would stop arcane thievery when it is suppose to cause the next attack to fail.

Also, by going GS/Staff setup, you loose the flexibility of using something like scepter/sword (great blocking), sword/torch (invinsible, stealth), or various other combinations. On my tank style builds, I almost always run staff and sword/X. I say X since I utilize all the offhands depending on the situation.

Greatsword is a more offensive weapon so I’m not sure what kind of tanking setup you are looking for. If you are using a staff as your secondary weapon set, I suppose you can tank ok. It isn’t just about toughness and vital to make a tank setup. Usually you need a fair amount of boons too (prot, regen, aegis) to boost your tankiness and/or some stealth to get yourself out of trouble (i.e. decoy, prestige, mass inv).

Rob.7624:

doublebb.6574:

To the 2 OS (warrior and guardian) who I followed to Star camp in GoM bl, it was fun! I imagine you were both calling me a wuss or something but if you’re telling me I should NOT stealth like crazy vs two excellent players who hit hard as nuts….well I thought of it as playing smart . Almost got the warrior though! Shame those 3 other NSP had to come and ruin it :/ .

Need more screenshots

And yes hello everyone!
Not suspended anymore!

Were you among the 5 man Os unit that was chasing me around in vale on our (GoM) BL? I was the mes that was disturbing your necro doing the trebbing on our Bay. It was a good thing the rest of that 5 man group showed up and was a fun fight.

THE Dentist.5960:

To the GOM guild mesmer and thief fighting me at the spawn. tough tough tough to kill, infact never was able to even down you. SOOOO many clones! Good show and props to you both.

That was me, the mes from Obon. I’ve hung out some with the thief, but large and part you’ll see me roaming around GoM BL. I always enjoy a good fight. I was actually running a new setup for me during that encounter and perhaps I’ll use it from time to time as it’s a very nice setup for small groups and camp defense.

The reason you were seeing a bunch of clones is that I wasn’t running a shatter spec and therefore kept my clones and mostly phantasms on the field the entire time. Very nice fight, although we were hoping to get you guys to come out farther. The Erim (spelling?) and I really nailed our lock downs on that ranger friend of yours that last time. Poor guy didn’t have a prayer on that one.

mygo.7518:

quote " Nordic Natedog.4360: Got to say, NSP you guys have some guys who are nothing but trolls out there. It’s sad that they teabag, sit on people, and simply laugh when they kill someone using 3+ guys since one or even two can’t do squat. Yes, I am talking about [RMPT] who just roam around thinking they are all big and bad. It really does show how low their self esteem is when killing a foe with 3-5 guys make them feel they are all big and bad."

Based on your previous posting I think it’s quite the opposite. You’re the one who is hurt and is posting in this thread because you yourself have a self esteem problem. You sound extremely insecure because you are constantly trying to remind us all how great you are on this forum, seeking validation as a ‘great’ player.

The fact that you needed to post that reply and attempt to put a bad word on our guild tag is evidence of the above.

Every guild has that one guy who likes to sit/laugh troll etc but ey it’s part of the fun of fighting. And in some cases people like yourself are worth riling up because you’re just plain unlikeable.

For one, I deleted the post a minute or so after writing it. Upon rereading it, I realize it wasn’t how I was intending to put things and removed it so I could look to rephrase it the way I meant it. Only later I decided it wasn’t worth even bothering with.

You are welcome to look through my posts and will find that only a small portion of my posts have a notion of me being great. Generally those are simply in response guys trolling me after a 1vX fight. You will find many more posts of me giving guilds/players props for a nice fight or looking to give advice on game play.

As I told others, I’m not seeking validation for any kind of play. I am calling out guys either in jest (as I did with a thief who repeatedly jumped me just to run) or to point out their laughable moments such as finally downing a guy when the situation is greatly in their favor and taking the time to run emotes over me.

Yes, most guilds out there have guys who troll others or are poor sportsmen. We as leaders and officers have to understand that those situations reflect our guild though.

snowaugar.1823:

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/pvp/wuvwuv/Update-on-new-matchups/first#post2124865.

Might spend 1 more week together

Well, I found it funny that when they rolled out this new ‘better’ matchup system, they had us GoM moving down to T8 again.

Gaidax.7835:

It was nerfed a long time ago, now it removes one condition and boon from all respective targets in the area of effect every second.

Yeah, it’s been this way for a while now. With all the boons out there these days, it’s probably time for them to up the boon/condition stripping some, perhaps trying 2 per pulse or something like that.

Ordibble.3092:

Sharpoon.8197:

Mesmers can as well.

No, they can’t. They used to be able to with iZerker but Anet nerfed it after people complained, ironically, that this should not be something that only one class should be able to do. Now iZerker needs line of sight, just like everything else except Dragon’s tooth.

Yeah and because of the change now a stone can cause iZerker to fail.

PandaBear.7510:

@Grimms

What build do you/would you run in tPvP or 1v1?

Also, on your current WvW build that has 20k vit, 3.1k armor and 87% crit damage, what is your crit chance at?

I am sure that Seven is like me. I don’t spec for a 1v1 aside from perhaps adjusting my offhand (like if i had a focus on for movement but change to a pistol, sword, or torch depending on my current spec) and/or a utility skill. I understand the weaknesses in my setup and as such I adjust my play of that setup based on what I am encountering.

Excalibur.9748:

A thief with nerfed stealth is just a free kill in WvW.

That is because they mostly run glass cannon builds. If they had less stealth, they would have to use more skill and probably run more defense like other professions need to do.

Now, as a mesmer, I really have no problems with thieves as they are. I beat them far more often than I lose to them. At best I’ll end up trading off deaths with them if they are very good or they will have to run away. If they run, no big deal to me since that means what ever objective I was trying to accomplish is going to be successful.

Snow Ghost, as I tried to explain earlier. I have absolutely no problem with your group or any other coming after me, especially if I am on your way to other location. I was pointing out a thief who would jump me and then run back into your group. The final time, he got some support by others before he made it back up to the group. I was simply doing a little trash talking towards him.

Oozo.7856:

Irony.8056:

Oozo
“Is it a case where you just want everyone to know how great you are”

The only thing missing from that line is an angryface smiley.

He’s made several posts of this type directed at both DR and NSP players. If this isn’t an indirect way to boast (because insulting other people to let everyone know that you won some 1vNs typically goes over better than straight up boasting that you won some 1vNs), then it would seem that his intent is to belittle people so much that they just stop attacking him?

The people that have seen him on the field know he is a good mesmer. There is no need prove anything. And as far as mesmers winning 1vNs. Check the mesmer forum for mesmer movies. It’s not exactly that uncommon but it can be entertaining to watch. Perhaps making some 1vN movies to entertain people rather than insulting everyone you beat on the forums would be the best course of action?

Now now, I am not on here to toot my own boat. My body of work will speak for itself on the field. What I bring up is when certain things catch my fancy.

- The VP thing was more a dig at the VP thief who repeatedly jumped me (twice on the way to Lake tower) just to run away into his group. Once was after lake fell and I was keeping an eye on things and he came out to chase me down. I fought him, he ran back to the safety of his numbers, which grew and grew. If I was on their way towards their next objective, I’d have a little more understanding for what occurred. Again, this was simply a little play at the one guy, not VP in general. I even chatted with 2 of their thieves earlier today about it.

- The DDLG thief was a completely different matter. He simply didn’t like the idea of losing over and over so he brought more help. It was very blatant and I even have a few GoM members who witnessed this going on.

- The other similar type posts are when guys do things like lay or teabag me after it was 4+ guys that were needed to finally get me down. If they want to display that kind of behavior, I’ll be happy to share it with the entire tier. Which is the same thing that you have been doing Oovo. No one likes to be disrespected and I can’t help but laugh at those kind of situations since it’s clear those individuals really needed to be taken aside by their guild to learn the ropes.

- Lastly, I hate running around in 10+ teams. I’ll occasionally jump into a zerg to help take some towers/keeps or defend ours. And there have been a few times where it took many of us to handle an SPCA, Splt, AD, (insert other solid guild group). Those such as yours, Oozo, I have nothing but the utmost respect for. I have no problems when a great guild team comes rolling through to pay them their dues.

I apologize to the others on the forum if I came across wrong. It was not my intention to publicly call out others (aside from this DDLG thief and the screen shots of guys gloating) or guilds. Most of it was just meant as some good nature ribbing. Again, I am sorry for offending others.

Snow Ghost.6817:

Nordic Natedog.4360:

Glaeser.8015:

Nordic Natedog.4360:

Glaeser.8015:

I don’t think we have a Charr Ranger.

I was thinking it was a charr, but on second thought, it was one wearing that hat covering the face. I was thinking of the charr guardian (probably you Glaeser right?) who teamed up with him later on.

Ah yes, that’s Northern the Norn Ranger. He likes fighting you and I remember him telling me about those fights now hehe. Yeah I’m the only Charr Guardian in the guild, always a pleasure fighting you.

Always fun running into you guys. Creates a nice challenge.

On a side note, nice mini zerg [VP] was running on our GoM BL last night. Whoever that thief was who kept jumping me, I want to give this word of advice. Just stay with your zerg when you see me. You aren’t in Tievo’s league so you are only going to get hurt trying to gank me.

Correct me if I am wrong, but I feel you are using the word “zerg” as a derogatory term in this particular instance?

You must be one of those roamer types that think a group of 10 is a zerg. I think that was the strike team out practicing

What is this Tievo thing you are talking about?

I will be sure to pass on your helpful comments to our thieves. They will probably just pass by and wave to you now I expect.

/salute

Well, VP may have only had 10, but there was at least 15 of you all together. When you are facing 4-5 guys tops, that is a zerg (a mini one but still a zerg). Seeing as you just keep throwing your numbers at a single target not carrying what happens to your numbers provided you complete the objective. That is in its essence a zerg. It may not be the 60+ ones you will find, but it is still a zerg. And when you use 15+ to chase down a single foe, that is zerg mentality.

Now I did meet up with some VP thieves (2 of them) and the pair couldn’t down me. I have no problems being respectable, especially when it is returned. But who ever this DDLG sylvari thief is has zero from me. It is sad enough when a 1v1 class like a thief can’t even hurt a mesmer. Worse yet when he has a second thief with him working in tandem and still gets spiked. And shows he’s completely useless calling for additional reinforcements to actually beat a single opponent. If you are going to run a glass cannon, you had better be at least decent at avoiding being hit, which you are obviously terrible at.

As for being a roamer type, yes I am. I am also one who plenty of others have run into on a regular basis and know to tread lightly (even with numbers greatly in their favor). I will look to hold a post as long as possible to let my team flank, come to support my position, or at the very least regroup under the commander.

I make use of focus, torch, pistol, and sword OH’s. I simply switch as the situation warrants it.

Glaeser.8015:

Nordic Natedog.4360:

Glaeser.8015:

I don’t think we have a Charr Ranger.

I was thinking it was a charr, but on second thought, it was one wearing that hat covering the face. I was thinking of the charr guardian (probably you Glaeser right?) who teamed up with him later on.

Ah yes, that’s Northern the Norn Ranger. He likes fighting you and I remember him telling me about those fights now hehe. Yeah I’m the only Charr Guardian in the guild, always a pleasure fighting you.

Always fun running into you guys. Creates a nice challenge.

On a side note, nice mini zerg [VP] was running on our GoM BL last night. Whoever that thief was who kept jumping me, I want to give this word of advice. Just stay with your zerg when you see me. You aren’t in Tievo’s league so you are only going to get hurt trying to gank me.

As Dadnir says. Chaos armor requires that you are struck. Retal doesn’t strike you but rather deals direct damage straight to you.

Rob.7624:

@Nordic Natedog.4360

I gave up arguing with these peeps,
They’ve all got it stuck in their heads that if someone hits a retaliation skill all the adjacent enemy just KO and die.

I know what you mean. There is just too many people out there who just cry nerf nerf nerf when a fight doesn’t go their way.

Glaeser.8015:

I don’t think we have a Charr Ranger.

I was thinking it was a charr, but on second thought, it was one wearing that hat covering the face. I was thinking of the charr guardian (probably you Glaeser right?) who teamed up with him later on.

Zeroskillz.4983:

Here is why people don’t go into GoM BL. Myself and one of my guild members, both on uplevel characters took GoM NN just for fun, then stuck around to defend it. We took a few of ya down then you must have called for backup!

ML has been frequenting the GoM BL and we had a great battle at your NE camp, it was pretty even, we tried building an arrow cart to get you guys outta that fully upgraded camp, we lost that fight but we’ll be back! Don’t you worry GoM, [RH] props to you guys on the defense!

Reminds me of when I met up with a fellow GoM member at a Camp on NSP BL. We proceed to take several camps, including killing of a Splt Char Ranger who came back few times even bringing an uplevel ele to help. They got the thief with me, but I stomped them inside the camp. Later we took their northern camp and I guess that was the last straw. The resulting 10-12 guys coming at us was certainly fun. Took them a good 5+ minutes to finally get me down. How nice of the [NSP] member to join me laying there.

Ralathar.7236:

Dynnen.6405:

Gonna need quite a few guardians to paint an entire zerg with retal…

No you don’t you need light fields and blast finishers. Guardians just have good personal access to AOE retal that supplements the light field symbols they lay on the ground like candy in every spec.

Nordic Natedog.4360:

Your math is way way off. First, if you hit each person 1k three times, so you dealt out 15-20k or so. Retal then deals around 380 each hit for a total of 5700. This is a far cry from the 12k you are talking about.

Barrage has the capability to hit 5 people 12 times over it’s long duration.
http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Barrage

Retal hakitten me for over 400 damage per tick before, but lets assume a more modest 350. 5 X 12 = 60 potential hits from barrage, 60 potential retal procs. 60 X 350 = 21,000 potential damage. It’s extremely easy to down yourself from a single barrage on a zerg that has retal. Likely in fact unless you are tanky. Even then it does most of your life and could still down you in worst case scenarios.

Against high guardian concentration groups retal is indeed pretty much permanent. Against other groups it’s present at least the first 15 seconds of a fight. Are you saying because I’m Ranger I shouldn’t AOE at all? Elementalist shouldn’t be able to AOE at all? What else are you supposed to do against masses of people, single target damage?

I’m ok with the concept of a damage shield, it’s a very old concept. However the damage returned from retal is wildly inconsistent and destroys some weapons and builds while barely even touching others. It’s not dependent or effectiveness of attacks. Just hits.

I know that barrage has the potential for more hits, I was going off the numbers he was stating. Every AoE has the potential for very similar effects like the guy complaining about dropping a feedback bubble onto a mob and getting knocked down to 0 nearly instantly. Again, you are looking it merely at a point of view on how much damage YOU took and not the overall effectiveness of your attack. You certainly got hit with a ton of damage but you dished out an overwhelmingly greater number onto the foes you hit. This is the case with all AoE. Yes you run the risk of being insta-downed by dropping some AoE onto a zerg, but you are also doing it to do a considerable MORE damage to your foes. I don’t understand why people don’t understand this concept.

Devanuze.8734:

Lord Galwrath.9302:

Oh please. Do you really think all of our servers are on par with Sanctum of Rall, and the only reason they are the #1 server is because they are oh-so-much better than us?
Server population should not be confused with WvW population. GoM has the best coverage and the best population out of any server in this tier, but of course we have to go and deny it and proclaim we are winning through skill rather than numbers like every other server does. Earlier in this thread there was a screenshot posted where we have 4 commanders active to take a supply camp. Having numbers make you sloppy, that screenshot is a perfect example of it, and just like every other server the fall from this delusional plateau of superiority will be all the harder because of it once we start facing real resistance.

Can we just leave all this numbers talk behind? Both the denial from GoM and the accusations from NSP and DR. We all know it to be true, there is really no need to discuss it.

Did i ever say that we where winning because of skill? Our coverage is better and that is obviously why we are still winning. Your just putting words into my mouth. I was merely pointing out that the isssues that us low tiers have can be resolved through guild recruitment and making wvw interesting for the average pve player. Every low tier server has had/or is having this issue, its not imposable to get over it though, thats all i was saying…

It was just a few weeks ago when it was a real pain to get even a few guys to help hold our own BL (GoM) during the day hours. Often I would find myself defending a tower or camp all by myself looking for help. Now we have more people on during that time and even seen more commanders as well. This will of course lead to us having better all around coverage and therefore being more successful point-wise. This is exactly what the other servers need to do as well. As good as our coverage has been lately, it still could use a considerable more day time if we want to succeed in getting into t6 or any higher.

Don’t know what the trouble is, I don’t lose to GS main mesmers. I primarily run a condition build and the worst case scenario I end up in is basically a stalemate (or at least a fight that lasts 20+ minutes).

The thing you need to keep in mind is using your staff movements to your greatest advantage. Blink on the other side, roll and use phase retreat causing a nice gap with 2 clones pounding him with conditions plus making him try to track you. Use decoy to keep him wondering where you are. Drop chaos storm at yours and his feet to buff yourself and hurt him. Above all, utilize both weapon sets constantly. By staying in just your staff set, you are wasting 5 skills you can have at your disposal. Bring a sword/pistol for the magic bullet stun, iDuelist to stack bleeding, leap to immobilize. Try focus to pull your foe around, drop an iWarden on him with feedback to give him more confusion and bleed if he stays near it. Torch is a great condition weapon as you have a blast finisher, cause burning plus have stealth to make him lose targeting on you as well as have his illusions stop hitting you temporarily.

I tell people constantly. The real key to getting better is knowing what your weaknesses are and adapting. Learning to deal with those problem areas when they arise allows you to improve the most. If you are having trouble getting close when you want to, adjust your secondary weapon set or a utility to help with that.

One last piece of advice, as Ross Biddle stated. Control the situation which can include doing a quick weapon swap prior to engaging to help you out.

I think he’s fine in all cases except he is extremely overpowered. He easily takes a tower by himself. I don’t mind that he should be strong but to basically insta-kill pretty much anyone around who doesn’t immediately jump away is a little extreme. It also takes a ton to take him down especially when servers will activate him and let him sit/take a tower himself.

I think he should have a buff on him that scales his strength based on the number of allies near him (to a similar point that he is now). This way if a server starts him and just leaves him he is around a more durable Camp Supervisor.

Victory.2879:

The amount of damage it does is fine, it’s the fact there is no internal cooldown to limit the amount of damage you receive. I fire off one barrage, which hits maybe 3-10 people for 3 hits each of around 1k damage, so the most they got was 3k each, quickly dealt with by zerg boons etc. I get between 2k and 9k retaliation- however, if a pile of people are all bunched up I hit 5 random people multiple times, each receiving around 1k damage and I get hit for 12k. Unless I’m at full health, I’m downed and the zerg or even those few players it hit didn’t even feel it.

IT NEVER MISSES- what other skill has 100% chance of hitting you no matter what?

All they need to do to fix it is give it an internal cooldown of one hit to you per .5 of a second or 1 per second, and fix the duration to last 10 seconds, non stackable, so that it becomes a skill to be used at the right time not just blanketed on recharge without any thought at all.

Your math is way way off. First, if you hit each person 1k three times, so you dealt out 15-20k or so. Retal then deals around 380 each hit for a total of 5700. This is a far cry from the 12k you are talking about.

Iavra.8510:

Well, currently it’s basically impossible to drop a wall of reflection/feedback in an enemy zerg. Feedback just dropped me from 17k hp to 0 in ~2s from retaliation alone.

Yep, it’s called being careful for one. Plus you likely did 5-10 times that in total damage, albeit to many sources.

I run a condition tank mesmer and have retal running all the time. Even with my lower power rating (around 1150), I’m still getting a good amount of retal output (284). I love when some guardians think they are so special, jump into a camp with me in it, pull everything to them to kill it, just to die themselves. This is because I drop a chaos storm at their feet and all those NPC’s end up with retal. Big ouchies to those guardian bunkers. I can’t help but sit back and laugh when this happens.