I really want a blocking function in this forum to prevent myself from permaban when I see a Vayne post.
After months, I finally find myself in a Lion’s Arch where majority were Desolation players. Then, game kicked me out the login screen and when I returned, I was with French/Germans. Thanks for the hilarious fix.
Also, this game needs scaling with a better thought. “More people = More hp” is just a time sink.
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It is called megaserver where you play with random, intelligent life forms. Probably, you won’t see any of them again in future.
It is not griefing. Stop calling every action you don’t like as griefing.
About “improving the algorithm” just refer to my old post:
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/gw2/Feedback-Questions-MegaServer/page/44#post4199569
Your thought about an improvement is probably related to “meeting similar faces” in generally not so much populated maps among all players. For instance, I can see familiar guild names in Caledon Forest; however, when I go to Lion’s Arch my chat is flooded by German or French.
And your suggestion about server chat channel is not even a minor fix about “fracturing of community” issue. It is just dodging the real problem like “not letting others to see foreign languages in their chat”.
They need to add temples to their broken schedules to provide an in-game timer.
They’ve already said that because of their megacrap system, they can’t provide us dynamic events. If you remember the old times, timers were server specific and more than one boss/event could occur at same time. By turning dynamic events into static jobs, whichever megamap you go, you can find the world boss encounter in that scheduled time (if it has not defeated). However, temple events are special to the megamap you are in. If you can’t find a temple event running, as long as a new map is created(and you find a taxi to it), you can do nothing.
I just posted a review for ArenaNet and it have not published (maybe it will someday). So, you argument is invalid.
Cheezus’ sake -_- What were you thinking while writing that? I posted it just because QA outsourcing. If you wanna say “no they did not do that”, find another link for me.
That’s not it. It’s the nature of software and game engineering that there will be bugs. They do their best to find them and fix them before release, but maybe certain bugs just become apparent when much, much more people are attempting it.
Anyway, if you want a product that’s totally bug free, then you’re going to have to wait longer than 2 weeks for a release.
Yeah every, one-year computer science/engineering student’s excuse…
The problem is most of the softwares (including games) do not come with same bugs in every new update/patch etc.
Lets be honest. This game has “bugged event” problem from day -3 to now. It is not a new problem and obviously, since this game is relying on dynamic events, we EXPECT ANet to fix “bugged event” problem years ago. In reality, however, whenever they come up with a “new open world event” patch, we face with same, old never popping events bug (there were times when Three Headed Wurm didn’t spawn for instance).
Yeah, in some point we don’t know what is the problem and its solution, you are right. But for cheezus’ sake! Why should we understand or know coding/softwares/game industry to ask Anet to fix their ancient bugs? (btw I have enough knowledge about computer science). Why can’t some people understand that all we ask is “a fix for the bug that occurs ingame very often”. If they can’t find the reason in 2 years, it is not fault of “new patch every in 2 weeks” idea. It is either lack of care (“dont fix it forever, just fix it to save the day”) or QA in the company (it is a known fact that they outsourced their QA to a third party company)
Do you have a link or some other official statement about this? I’ve only ever heard about it from posters here. And considering they have QA people on their livestreams sometimes, I’m wondering if I should be impressed they fly them in to take part in teh videos.
Yeah I have direct information of a current ANet employee:
http://www.glassdoor.com/Reviews/Employee-Review-ArenaNet-RVW4643540.htm
(also there are other ex or current employees reviews about it too)
It is either lack of care (“dont fix it forever, just fix it to save the day”) or QA in the company (it is a known fact that they outsourced their QA to a third party company)
No amount of QA can ensure a flawless and bug-free release before they hit the main servers. And I’m fairly confident dynamic events do not work as simply as an on/off switch, as stated by an Anet dev.
These issues are indeed proving quite tricky to nail down (it’s not as simple as they simply won’t restart)
You are just copying only one sentence from my whole paragraph which you wanna answer and ignore the rest.
I’ve already said that “we don’t know the problem and its solution”; however, this game is 2 years old and it still has the same event bug. I can understand that it is not an easy fix. But, come on, there is no such bug that you can’t fix in 2 years.
Edit: They fixed the event issue with today’s patch. I hope it is also a general fix for future events and we won’t see the same, exact bug again.
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That’s not it. It’s the nature of software and game engineering that there will be bugs. They do their best to find them and fix them before release, but maybe certain bugs just become apparent when much, much more people are attempting it.
Anyway, if you want a product that’s totally bug free, then you’re going to have to wait longer than 2 weeks for a release.
Yeah every, one-year computer science/engineering student’s excuse…
The problem is most of the softwares (including games) do not come with same bugs in every new update/patch etc.
Lets be honest. This game has “bugged event” problem from day -3 to now. It is not a new problem and obviously, since this game is relying on dynamic events, we EXPECT ANet to fix “bugged event” problem years ago. In reality, however, whenever they come up with a “new open world event” patch, we face with same, old never popping events bug (there were times when Three Headed Wurm didn’t spawn for instance).
Yeah, in some point we don’t know what is the problem and its solution, you are right. But for cheezus’ sake! Why should we understand or know coding/softwares/game industry to ask Anet to fix their ancient bugs? (btw I have enough knowledge about computer science). Why can’t some people understand that all we ask is “a fix for the bug that occurs ingame very often”. If they can’t find the reason in 2 years, it is not fault of “new patch every in 2 weeks” idea. It is either lack of care (“dont fix it forever, just fix it to save the day”) or QA in the company (it is a known fact that they outsourced their QA to a third party company)
Because you can’t find something to complain, it doesn’t mean there are no problems at all.
You are just dodging our problems by “I am enjoying. My environment is enjoying. So, we are all enjoying.” This is not feedback. Since I don’t wanna get infraction I won’t call its name. Your way of ignoring our problems is just disgusting.
I haven’t got hoard since they buffed Tequatl ^^
If Anet haven’t changed the system, “being full/very high/high…” populated indicates the number of accounts in that server. So, you need to wait for ANet to increase server population cap or for some players to transfer to another server.
To Vayne (while I was typing phys’ posts came =)):
Can you just stop counting the kitten kittening players who like or not? Can you just stop relying on your own environment for once?
Obviously, you can’t come up with better arguments to what we said as broken. Your only argument is “me and my social circle likes it. I can count x many players that like it too. So it is good”.
Stop counting the thumbs up and downs. Megaservers broke every little thing I like about this game. We discussed it in 45 pages in this kitten topic. And your small environment that you are relying does not make problems disappear.
Cheezus! I asked to lordkrall to stop white knighting and let others to get experience. I wish I had wanted world peace instead!
Asia (at least China) has its own servers now. Rest of the Asia is not my concern; however, if your country’s or continent’s time zone sucks, you could choose a server as your unofficial home (like Russians selected Blacktide at the very beginning of the release) to increase your probability to find your kind of players. And why should I think about everyone with a night job or has insomnia.
For your low pop server reference:
When I created my account, I specifically picked a server with a lower population because I just plain PREFER a less crowded world. I don’t do WvW, and less crowding = less lag on my less-than-stellar Internet connection.
Now I don’t have any choice. Even in towns, which have more reason to NOT be part of the MegaServer. I have had to turn off Player Names because it’s just too crowded to see the Bank NPCs behind all the text. And I rarely attend World Boss fights anymore due to excessive lag. Framerates get all choppy, and I freeze up sometimes to the point of getting disconnected.
How about adding a Micro Server for those of us who don’t care to live in New York, and would rather move out to a farm in Hooterville?
So basically, “everyone in the low populated servers want megaserver” argument falls short.
And for new player part, I already said what is needed to be. Anet alienated most of its old, loyal players to attract new players. Also, many mid level zones are still empty as long as there is no world boss alive at that time.
It was just a joke of course they didn’t implement megaservers just for you. It is originally implement for higher-ups that wanna bath in money by decreasing the server cost, alienating the old players (negative gem sales), attracting new players (box sales+gem sales).
Dude just because your time zone sucks now the rest of the players are all suffering -_-
However, before long ago the megaservers, players suggested an underflow system, like the old overflow one. Instead of creating new maps when a map is full, it is suggested servers that have less than x many players in a map y should be merged into the same map at that moment. Of course suggestions were more detailed (and i didn’t remember most of them), but all of the offered ones were better than megacrap (at the worst case scenario, underflow system could be equally bad as megacrap =))
Don’t dream about “tweaks on algorithm can fix stuff” since the problem is not the algorithm but the domain it is used. I will try to explain it as simple as possible:
- ANet, obviously, collect data about us and our environment while we are playing. So, in an ideal world the collected data is enough for them to identify who should be in same map with whom.
- Moreover, the algorithm that matches you with your friends are not complex. Yeah there is some Big Data stuff included; however, the small scale version is just a basic machine learning algorithm that can match you with your possible friends/guildies (and there can be several different algorithmic approaches for such matching). Since Anet has enough data, these algorithms can achieve really high accuracies for matching (but not %100). So, in terms of algorithm, ANet has no problem (I hope). The problem starts when you enter a map.
- First thing can happen is the map that your friends/party/guildies are in may reach the soft/hard caps. If it is soft cap, you can just “join”; otherwise, you need to spam “join”. This can’t be fixed fully (increasing cap is just a temporary solution for instance). It is just a situational case and you have to accept it. Since there are many players in the map, and many social circles that players have; many players try to be in the same map with their friends.
- Secondly, you are not the only one who has the person X as your friend. Let’s think about a two-men party and you both wanna enter Sparkfly. The person X teleports to map before you, and while he is teleporting, the algorithm places him to the best matching map by looking his/her server/guild/party/friendlist. Then, you teleport and same process happens. If you are lucky enough, your matching score make you enter the person X’s map. However, if you have more friends or better matching friends in another Sparkfly instance, system separates you from person X. Again, you can do nothing about it. You can’t say system to “prioritize party in this case and prioritize guildies in another case and so on,” because there are infinitely many cases out there. There are infinitely many connections between lots of players and it is an impossible task to match every single player correctly.
- Thirdly, even if you are the perfect match of a person X (let’s assume you are both from same server, guild and in same party), the algorithm can’t achieve the %100 accuracy. You and the person X are the perfect friends just by looking; however, a computer algorithm does not work like that. It does it calculations and if it fails, you will be separated.
- Finally, I have no idea how this system can match me with Frenches and Germans. It is probably a default case in Europe server: “If you can’t find a proper map for player X, just throw him into Frenches and Germans. Make him suffer!”
To conclude, don’t expect any tweaks or optimizations in the algorithm/code. The problem is not the algorithm but the domain itself. There are too many possible cases to be handled and there is no algorithm to fix them all. Obviously, ANet did not think about Megaserver idea as they should be. Even with 30 minutes of self-brainstorming, I can tell you most of the possible cases that Megaservers fall short. I don’t believe that any staff at ANet hadn’t thought any of these issues; however, some higher-ups, that wanna bath with money, made them implement this system to create a crowded game illusion to attract new players.
Making expansions instead of 2 weeks of small patches doesn’t prevent ANet to focus on the cash-shop. You can check LotRO as an example for this. Small patches in 4-5 months in a year and one big(!) expansion once in a year. However, they focus on their shop between patches/expansions (and unlike GW2, it has monthly subscription too).
Just because one single Jumping Puzzle in new area, tears of whines flooded this forums. Why do you think they don’t want SAB =)
Nobody cares WvW.
Return to PVE, we have zergs, overpopulated maps and several dark languages spoken in general chat. Pretty much similar to WvW ^^
No one “owns” the mobs, but if I am killing said mobs purely so you can’t, purely so it puts a crimp in your gaming session, then I am quite clearly griefing you. Because I am doing it to have a negative impact on you.
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What kind of logic is this? No, you are just killing a mob that gives only one useless champion bag that can be killed as long as there is a key near. Stop being drama queens and whining just because one, single champion is killed without you. It is no griefing. It is just you being a drama queen.
“They’re still building the architecture.”
If you stop defending Anet like you are defending your parents from evil thieves, you will understand how funny this sentence is.
If this system is not %100 ready, why did they force this MEGACRAP on us? Couldn’t they just turn several maps (one map from each level+one city map) and test their system? Or maybe for one week, they could change every map to a megaserver, collect data and then return to the old system until they could do everything perfect?
Reputation is a bad idea due to Megaservers.
2 weeks of patches are better than expansion per year. Especially a game like GW2, that has no proper end game in PVE and has repetitive and boring PvP/WvW, suffers hardly without new updates.
So, a couple of players kills a boss before you killed another boss. You missed one single champion bag and opened a topic for this. What happened to everyone should play as they liked thing? If their playing style is self-centered or selfish, who cares?
I hope more people kill ogre before elemental. I really wanna enjoy that tears of unnecessary whining.
(I have same feelings for any kind of champion trains too)
To please new players, alienate old ones. It seems a good idea to me.
Sure it’s just circumstantial evidence. But I’m telling you that if as many people were leaving as you said, Anet would have to do something about it. That they’re not speaks volumes.
I really don’t wanna hijack your thread further. But the topic we are in is the reason why Anet haven’t done something about it.
They have China. Even if NA/EU population decreases %30-%40 (and let’s be honest since there are no subscription pays, any player can return to the game any time s/he wants), they will still have China.
And please don’t post me a wall of Anet excuse from a player.
Why should they? Half the stuff suggested would probably have unseen consequences players never think about.
Yeah because megaservers are THE BEST SYSTEM EVER and there are none consequences that anyone could think about.
But do you know, Vayne? Before they implemented megaservers, we wrote wall of concerns about this system. And your beloved company’s workers said us “We will take care of them”. Yeah, they really take care of them by ignoring.
Until the idea is tested by a bunch of people thinking about it, trying to poke holes in it, a dev can’t reply. Should they have those meetings hourly? Daily? Weekly? Weekly is far too long with the number of suggestions.
3 months + 2 weeks past since they wrote a blog about megaservers and implemented into the game. Do you want us to wait for 9324802984029 years more?
Also, I don’t know since when you are playing GW2, but I am here since day -3. Anet does not test their systems. Because we are still in beta.
(Actually, according to the information taken from ArenaNet page in glassdoor.com, they closed their own QA team and outsourced it to another company which is probably the worst decision they could ever think about [after megaservers of course =)]).
I think it’s unreasonable to expect replies to long long threads like that.
Usual white knighting detected in small scale. You are right if they do something to fix megaservers without coming to this topic and chat with us. But they haven’t done anything in game too. By looking their behaviours, they won’t do anything.
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You killed an asuran baby again shiny white knight.
With what REAL data do you want me to prove? You are just making a huge fallacy in your post by using your environment only and I am redirecting your fallacy with your own arguments:
I know from experience that there’s a huge number of people who like to be in a community while playing MMOs. They left, because their communities killed to make some kind of poor, cant use guesting/transferring systems players happy. Because they are in a community, they couldn’t do bosses and events together which they had been doing for a long time without a problem. I was in a guild full of people and I can find only 6-7 active players now.
Can you see? I can revert your every argument for my case and both of us can’t prove who is right as long as we don’t have the real data. And obviously real data is not the “map you are in with full of players”. Since even if this game has only 300 players at total and all of them go to kill a boss, they can create 2 full maps without a problem.
And you are also underestimating the number of people who left because their servers/communities/guilds dead thanks to megaservers. Can you please stop being “I can pee further than you” type white knighting?
And please stop writing “majority” and “minority”. Everytime I read your posts with these words, an elder dragon eats an asuran baby.
I could derail this topic with joy, but I will just say you know nothing pdemo.8312 and ask you to check related “Megaserver” topic which has 44 pages.
You leave, and the already left ones return =)
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So what? Will they remove megaservers with the money from China market?
what’s wrong with an easier dungeon, does it always have to appeal to hardcore players?
the current dungeons already suck because of this mentality, we really don’t need even more dungeons with HM in mind.
All dungeons are easy enough anyways as long as you don’t define easy as “staying like a stone and pressing only button 1 to kill everything”.
I don’t need something better. If our precious mods hadn’t removed the related topic from the forum, I would paste your message as an example of your kind of players.
Make it really challenging, have great rewards, and new prestigious armor and weapons.
In other world : create exclusive content and skins only for 2-5% of the playerbase.
No thanks. Better spent your development ressources for stuff for the other 95%.
Here comes the “minority” caller. Even if so-called playerbase is %49, you are minority and your arguments/suggestions/feedbacks are invalid.
Without a schedule players could select which boss they want to do. So you could divide the zerg between bosses. Also, you could do pretty much all world bosses in 2 hours without a problem.
With megaservers, they brought schedules and dynamic events have become dynamic jobs. Because you can kill same bosses in same order in everyday if your online time is same, due to work/school/real life. Moreover, since there can be only one boss available in a given time frame, all players teleport to same map at that time frame which creates overpopulation, performance issues and lags.
I said megaserver crap, not server mergin. They generally merge low populated servers together while megaserver crap merges every single server like it is needed.
As long as my beloved Archeage doesn’t have such idiotic system, I am happy anyways.
Decent or good MMOs don’t have this cancer yet.
You can’t tweak or optimize megaservers as long as maps have caps and players have infinitely many social circles (both their social circles and others’ circles they are in). And the 2nd problem is why megaservers are failing hard and ANet should have never implemented it.
As an answer to OP, in forums, a dev stated that their current architecture does not support distinct idea.
Your words are for deaf ears and blind eyes. White knights will defend megaserver like it is their parents because they can do events that nobody cares in a low level map with a zerg now. And Anet is Anet. Probably one will come and say “our team is working on it.”
What are those everything else? Cheezus’ sake you are just dumping vague comments about the “advantages of megaservers” but all I can see is “more people I can see so that I can do events”. When I count it, it makes 2 good things at all. And as you said, you can do some events thanks to megaservers, but also you can’t do some events, again, thanks to megaservers. In contrast, if you check huge megaserver topic, there are 44 pages of things that megaservers ruined.
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You can kill Aetherblades in EoTM or Twilight Arbor dungeon too.
Can you please state “more good” with a list?
That’s the problem =) In the old system, there was a %100 accuracy that I could see familiar faces, as long as there is no overflow in the map I want to enter. Megaservers reduced that accuracy to %20. Yeah time to time I find myself in maps with many fellow Desolation players; however, it is really a rare situation for me. And %80 of the times, my map chat fills with german, french, spanish talks which I can’t save myself (dont tell me you can block those clients. It is not a fix. It is just ignorance of ANet).
Vayne, I really wanna waste my efforts to write wall of texts about the flaws in megaserver idea/design/implementation. However, I’ve already done that. Just check my previous posts in megaservers if 43 pages of huge megaserver topic scares you =)
You are happy because in your world, more is good. In my good, it is also good. But I’d rather familiar faces in that crowd. Not random intelligent life forms that probably I will never see again, or people that I can’t even communicate (german/french/spanish servers in EU).
Just because you can kill a giant, we lost our server communities. Seems very legit trade-off.
And also even before megaservers, you could kill Tequatl. But since lots of players want to ezmode content, they guested to servers like Desolation and Blackgate to leech those servers’ players spot. If they had stayed in their server and wasted their effort a little bit, it wouldn’t be a problem.
Megaservers just is a server merge with a fancy name. Instead of using guesting from your login screen, game makes you guest random maps without login/logout.
Moreover, if you want to kill Tequalt or Wurm you need to camp a map spot at least 1 hour before now (it was same in the old system though). So that you can team up with a coordinated group. Try going Sparkfly or Bloodtide 10 minutes before the event and tell me your success story.
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Good for you. But as an Englishman and speaker of the great language, I want to play this game with people that I can communicate, not random intelligent life forms.
Whining becomes suggestion. Sad.
Yeah because you need to have everything in this game by pressing only 1 button. Don’t ever waste your precious effort.
Just leech. If more than 5 players are fighting, stay below until NPC’s hp bar decreases to %5. Then jump up. Pop stability. Hit hard. Win.