Guild Wars 2

Limnage.9581:

Here are the patch notes: https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/info/news/Update-Notes-September-18th-2012

You’ll notice some things are missing: specifically they don’t have anything about the increases in difficulty to CoF and CM. They also don’t give any specifics about the nerfs to dungeon rewards.

It seems like too much of a coincidence that these are the most unpopular changes. Anet also didn’t include any mention or details about the anti-farming system when they put it in, either.

Why hide information from players?

This is proof of what Limnage has said.
It’s on GW2’s Wiki.

Wiki notes
-Can discover recipes from collectibles now
-Various broken skill challenges now functional (such Bayt Fallahin in Malchor’s Leap)
-Citadel of Flame: rewards reduced, bomb plant time increased
-Caudecus Manor: rewards reduced

Rewards reduced.
While mobs were added and buffed.
So now it takes longer to do the dungeon.
It’s more difficult.
You now get really really bad loot.

Toffy.5807:

You want an explanation why they did what they did?

Anet told us before this game was released explorable wasn’t meant for pugging, it was meant for guild runs with communication etc. Yet everyone was doing speedruns of a certain path and you don’t think that’s supposed to be fixed?

Grow some balls, and actually play this game. Try some different paths instead, you might like the rewarding feeling it gives when you complete an actual challenging dungeon.

THANK YOU ANET FOR NOT NERFING CONTENT, BUT BUFFING IT INSTEAD. Don’t listen to these people and keep your promise about explorable supposed to be hard.

Wow um okay.
First of all they nerfed story mode as well, so let’s get the facts straight.
Second of all IF YOU READ ANYTHING BEFORE POSTING.. People have said they don’t mind it being harder, but NERFING THE DROPS is what the complaint is about.
Thank you

So this is what their update says.

Wiki notes:
-Can discover recipes from collectibles now
-Various broken skill challenges now functional (such Bayt Fallahin in Malchor’s Leap)
-Citadel of Flame: rewards reduced, bomb plant time increased
-Caudecus Manor: rewards reduced

Fabsm.5897:

I read alot of posts about “trinity is back”, “i get instashot” etc.

I am really surprised by these comments, because until now, i found my dungeon forays really enjoyable.

I play as a guardian, and as i really like to try new specs, i pretty much go into dungeon with the random spec and stuff i have on.
The difference, i think, is i only play with guildies on Teamspeak. We have tactics. We put field, activate combo, we always have group boon running and we know our weaknesses.

The boss for us are pushovers. Yes, even the lovers, as we have found the boulders stun them, so two of us permastun the male with boulders and the other three ranged shot the female. Oh, you didn’t know about the boulders? Soz to be you.

Really, i think people are approaching dungeon with a WoW mentality. The thing that one person should be able to resist all the mobs that go in his way, from the start of the fight to the end, just by stacking toughness and vitality (better say you’re going tank..) is ridicolous.

I play as guardian, and often have the first pull. I don’t even think for a moment that i should “tank” the boss from start to finish. I often retreat, and leave the work to the mesmer, the thief, the warrior, the elementalist, the pet of the ranger… while i recover and support my friend with boons etc.

Going in dungeons shouldn’t be a trivial fact, a jog around the mobs, while the “tank” gets them, and the DPS shot them. The fact that you can get aggro anytime, and you have to FOCUS them, not AoE, it all gets down to the game specialty… PVP.

Yes, someone told that dungeons are PVP in disguise, i totally agree with them. You have to have tactics and, oh my, think about strategies even for the trash group of two ranger and one warrior that instagibs you. But try combo an area blind… Oh you don’t know how? It takes two players. Yes, two. Difficult? No. Different? Yes.

So, to be less sarcastic and sum up my thoughts, what i really think about this whining about dungeons is that this is caused by bad PUG experiences. Or even parties formed with a WoW mentality. Try thinking lateral for awhile. Hit lovers with boulders. Go damage with your “tank”. Kite with melee. All in all, enjoy the dungeons, but your challenges await you … in the real game… the WvW.

Fabsm
Guardian of Moonlight Shadow [MLS]

Ugh..
Again with people like you who just assume everyone came from WoW.
I honestly have never touched the game.
Everyone knows about the boulders.
That’s why the boulders are in the room…
There are guides all over that mention the boulders, but it doesn’t mean that you’ll always succeed.
For AC being the first dungeon, it shouldn’t require that much time to do and compared to the other dungeons, it shouldn’t be that hard.

As for WvW…
I don’t know if you were joking or not, but WvW is a whole lot more fun than these dungeons and WvW is a lot easier as well.
At least it’s not frustrating.

Condescend.1946:

This is what happens. Everyone complains constantly about something, so they take huge measures to change it. Then everyone is even more unhappy with the result.

The only complaints that I have ever seen about dungeons were complaints about AC or bugs in dungeons.
What are you talking about?

I don’t understand this company at all and it’s really irritating how they just make in-game updates without letting the community know first.
Then when we question them, we never get a response.

I love challenging dungeons, but why the heck would you nerf drops/coins?!
We were already getting junk.
Now we get nothing…?
Great update.

I like how people attack others just because they stated an opinion.
It’s annoying when I see people saying “Don’t run the dungeons.” “Don’t play GW2 then.” “Go back to -insert game name here-”
We clearly spent money on GW2 and we clearly care for the game.
It’s why people post their opinions.
:|

I agree with many that the dungeons in this game seem terribly designed.
AC is the first dungeon which clearly means new people are going to group with randoms to try it out.
It shouldn’t be as hard as it is for being the first dungeon.

Not only that, but you can spend about 2-3hrs in AC for your first run and you only get 1 level, some silver, and a few blue and green items. (If you’re lucky to even get greens).

It’s completely absurd that you’d have to put in that much time for a reward like that.
In that time, you could have leveled twice or more, and have gotten so much more items and coins just from questing.

Seriously, does ANet even read our posts at all?!
Where are the responses?

Are our posts even being read?
Not trying to be rude or argue with people.
I am loving this game, but a lot of bugs have been reported in this forum and we don’t even get responses.
I’m not looking for insta-fixes, but a response would be nice.
I am constantly reading comments that are asking for official responses and those posts just end up going to the 5th+ page.
I know there are problems with hacked accounts and people not being able to even log in, but a response to people would be nice.

There are posts about Skill Point events not working, the asura face being black, party and dungeon bugs, the dodge bug, the rewards from story quests being bugged, etc.
Some of these posts are almost a week old which is absurd.
They nave no replies and they still aren’t fixed.

What’s the point of having a bug forum if nothing is being fixed or even replied too.

Dj Trev.6528:

Ive been able to rez myself so many times because of mist form but all pve. I actually think its overpowered a bit for pve but maybe not for pvp.

It’s not really OP in PVE at all. :|
You turn into a slow ball of mist while the mob still chases you.
When mist form ends, you go back into the downed state hoping that the mob already reset.
Plus if the mob is using a channeling skill, you still get hit in mist form.
Sucks.
Still love the game though.. :o

The crafting in this game is absurd.
It was a little easier before they nerfed cooking and now instead of jute scraps, vials, totems, etc, I get butter and chocolate.
It’d be nice if we got some sort of reply on if anything is going to change rather than have a whole bunch of posts about crafting pop up everyday.

teemoor.4397:

Pony.3256:

What are you talking about??
You can still get to 1-400 IN AN HOUR.
They sell an item in the gem store called CRAFTING BOOSTER.
Most recipes only call for two ingredients which are still cheap on the broker.
With the crafting booster you can get to 1-400 easily.

If they “fixed” cooking due to fast leveling, it’s their own fault for selling boosts in the gem store.

Well, if materials are cheap and you can still go 1-400 in an hour, then why do you QQ?

I’m talking about the other crafts.
Read what everyone has said about it being harder to get other materials due to all the cooking supplies in the supply bags now.
Read the posts in the Players Helping Players forum.
A lot of people are irritated by this update and yet no one has gotten a response from ArenaNet.

teemoor.4397:

Cooking had to be changed. Before this you could level cooking 1-400 in AN HOUR. No gathering, just karma resources.

Before complaining, think about other crafting professions. Farming things like blood or totems isn’t fun. And you need hundreds of those. And they cost a lot at TP. Blood for example – you’ll pay up to 16 silver to craft 1 item (8 blood/2 silver). Which will give you +3 armorsmith. Yeah.

What are you talking about??
You can still get to 1-400 IN AN HOUR.
They sell an item in the gem store called CRAFTING BOOSTER.
Most recipes only call for two ingredients which are still cheap on the broker.
With the crafting booster you can get to 1-400 easily.

If they “fixed” cooking due to fast leveling, it’s their own fault for selling boosts in the gem store.

quacthulhu.2546:

Back on to the topic though, Black Peppercorns drop from Herb Seedlings now.

Vanilla Beans as well.
Though they are very rare and extremely overpriced on the broker.

I wonder if anyone from ArenaNet even read any of this.
It’s really hard to do other crafts because of this update and I’m not going to spend loads of coin buying overpriced things from the broker.
I have gone through so many supply bags and all I get is butter.

The old way should just be put back with nerfed cooking exp and maybe higher karma prices.
Was this update really the best idea from them?

GetsugaTensho.6158:

Grind was not in their design philosophy, as they liked to remind us.

So i think Ncsoft or Nexon pushed them to do this so more people can buy from cash shop (aka gems/gold) to spend on ingame items. That’s how I see it

This is one of the GW2 trailers.
At 1:40 they said they don’t want the players to grind.
It’s mainly why i bought this game.
Now don’t get me wrong, I LOVE this game, but the crafting has become a grind.
We were told that this game was going to be different in terms of the same old from other MMOs.
Yet after only being out for such a short time, all i see is this game turning into the same old MMOs.
Games like Rift had great crafting and the mats weren’t hard to get at all and I was really enjoying it.
That’s how it was in this game until this recent update.

After a recent update, you can no longer purchase vanilla bean from vendors.
You get them from drops or the trade broker.

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/info/news/Update-Notes-September-8th-2012/first#post32760
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The following Cooking Materials are no longer sold for Karma and are now acquired through drops, gathering nodes, or loot bags: Butter, Chocolate, Vanilla, Chili Peppers, Thyme, Black Peppercorns, Cinnamon, Bay Leaves, Walnuts, and Oranges.

Sulmith Greysin.5124:

Pony.3256:

Elshagan.6342:

If people actually read the announcements they’d have known…

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/info/news/Update-Notes-September-8th-2012

Last paragraph:
· The following Cooking Materials are no longer sold for Karma and are now acquired through drops, gathering nodes, or loot bags: Butter, Chocolate, Vanilla, Chili Peppers, Thyme, Black Peppercorns, Cinnamon, Bay Leaves, Walnuts, and Oranges.

If people actually read this thread before posting they would have known…
We already know about the announcement. Clearly.
That’s why this thread exists.
Everyone is upset about it.
Read what everyone has already said.

this thread was created asking if the NOTED CHANGES are a bug. your attitude is getting in the way of your ability to notice that.

Yes, the thread was created asking about changes, but if you’ve been following this post at all, it’s turned into people stating their opinions on the change.
Seeing how you have to type in caps to state the obvious, it must be your attitude getting in the way of noticing what this post has turned into.

I’m not on this thread to argue with other players.
Everyone has been agreeing with each other on their opinions of the matter.
So don’t get crazy.

Elshagan.6342:

If people actually read the announcements they’d have known…

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/info/news/Update-Notes-September-8th-2012

Last paragraph:
· The following Cooking Materials are no longer sold for Karma and are now acquired through drops, gathering nodes, or loot bags: Butter, Chocolate, Vanilla, Chili Peppers, Thyme, Black Peppercorns, Cinnamon, Bay Leaves, Walnuts, and Oranges.

If people actually read this thread before posting they would have known…
We already know about the announcement. Clearly.
That’s why this thread exists.
Everyone is upset about it.
Read what everyone has already said.

So are we ever even going to get a response from someone from ArenaNet or are we supposed to just sit here and get more and more irritated?
This update was horrible and killed the fun i was having in the game and clearly a lot of people are upset.
Why are we being ignored?

meganne.6850:

I am extremely disappointed in this update. I do not appreciate having to pay for the questionable gaming habits of other members of the community, nor do I appreciate ANET making it even more difficult for me to level my cooking. I simply do not have the time to grind for supply bags! Cooking is not easy to level, but I chose it on the understanding that I would be able to procure materials from vendors to augment the high cost of buying base ingredients from the cooking vendor. I play at least 3-4 hours a day and still don’t have very much in-game currency! I certainly don’t have the gold necessary to buy ingredients off the AH, nor do I want to spend my time on intensive farming, and I should not have to anyway when ANET itself said this game was not going to be farming-intensive.

I would not have bought this game had I known the developers would show such disregard for their player base, or have even a modicum of intelligence regarding how to properly balance a crafting profession!

I completely agree.
They said the game wouldn’t be grindy at all and yet all the updates are just making it more of a grind.
People have jobs and things to do and I thought this game was targeted at the older players since most came from the original GW.
They seemed to understand us when they were talking about launching and yet here’s the game getting more and more grindy with every update.
Some people are telling us that it’s not a big deal, but it really is when we were told that this game was going to be one way but then it turns out to be another.

Peppercorn drops from nodes like chopping down a tree or something.
NPCs don’t sell them at all anymore.

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/info/news/Update-Notes-September-8th-2012

· The following Cooking Materials are no longer sold for Karma and are now acquired through drops, gathering nodes, or loot bags: Butter, Chocolate, Vanilla, Chili Peppers, Thyme, Black Peppercorns, Cinnamon, Bay Leaves, Walnuts, and Oranges.

Probably the worst update so far.

I really hope it doesn’t stay like this.
They made crafting extremely hard now and it’s basically useless now.
A lot of people used the supply bags to get crafting mats and now they get butter and chocolate non stop.

I hope someone from ArenaNet is reading all this and noticing that their players are upset with this update.

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/support/bugs/Can-t-buy-butter-from-vendor-anymore/first

AprilRain.7649:

Why the hell are you guys complaining? It’s because tons of people were abusing the cooking material system that it had to be overhauled so drastically. If everyone just kept to playing the game in a fair way, this never would’ve been necessary.

If anything, blame yourselves. Not the company who did it in order to prevent the rest from the game from collapsing as well.

…
How is it our fault and how is it abusing?
They sold items that granted you 50% crafting exp.
50%!!!!!
You could level any craft super fast.
So tell me again how it’s our fault that Arena Net sells items that make us level faster and then punishes us for using them.

DayoftheGreek.6938:

I think this fix makes a ton of sense. Previously cooking took about 1 hour, 1gold, and 1 thousand karma to level from 1-400. Considering they said over and over again that cooking was supposed to be the hardest, most time consuming, and most expensive profession something was REALLY not working as intended. Instead, it was by far the easiest of all the professions that a trip to a handful of vendors would give you 100% of the time.

This thread is so full of overreaction it makes my head hurt. Yeah, it sucks we can easy-mode our way to 400, and some of these items may be returned to the vendor if it is deemed too grindy, but calling the game swtor and being in tears because you can’t make a few digital cookies in 5 seconds? Take a step back from the keyboard, take a deep breath, and say to yourself, “life will go on.”

Did you even read what everyone said before posting?
What most people are annoyed about is how other crafters get screwed because of this.
The old supply bags would give totems, fangs, jute scraps, leathers, etc.
Now majority of them just give chocolate and butter.
It was already a grind for the other crafters and now it has become more annoying.

If they really wanted to nerf cooking, they could have just nerfed the exp gain.
Not take out items and switch it up without even giving players any notice.

I don’t know why you’re even trying to offend people here telling us to take a breather when you’re the odd man out. :|

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/support/bugs/Can-t-buy-butter-from-vendor-anymore/page/2#post31388
As of last night’s update, majority of cooking materials were taken away from NPCs and are now only obtainable through supply bags that mobs drop.
Have fun trying to get your mats now when you still have a chance to get mats for another craft.
Ridiculous.
:|

GetsugaTensho.6158:

You said " we dont want our players to grind in our game" – in Manifesto trailer.

If you were afraid that ppl were exploiting crafting for easy exp gain, think again.

1) You can buy exp boost from gem store, so what was the point?

2) Instead of making it grindy and expect us to kill mobs over and over again in order to obtain basic crafting materials, you could have just nerfed the experience gain from crafting.

Please reverse it. I enjoyed crafting, and I HATED crafting in most mmos! Now you made it just as grindy and annoying.

Also, what is the point in making basic consumables like loaf of bread soulbound?
Considering that you made crafting harder now, why would it be a crime to sell them on the Auction House?

Also I wanted to trade them between my characters. I don’t want to level cooking on every character in order to get some sweet buffs.

Where are our promises about a non-grindy game?

Again, I agree.
They were saying people were leveling too fast and yet they have those buffs to level faster.
This game is becoming just like every other grind fest game out there and it hasn’t even been out that long at all.
What’s with all these absurd changes? It was fun and great the way it was.
It wasn’t easy-mode.
We still had to farm items and do heart quests to buy the bundled items.
We still had to be on to participate in events to get loads of Karma.
Now you make it harder?
Makes no sense!

I really hope this thread is noticed and something is done.
This update is seriously killing the fun for me.

Knight.4857:

Thank you arena net, for making cooking absolutely worthless now. I have 250 in cooking and now it is time to drop it. In fact, this screwed over the huntsmen and tailors as well, because our cooking ingredients now clog their bags.

And we all know how you guys love to give people items they don’t need/use.

Chocolate is used in at least 8 crafting items.

Butter in 20

Egg in 16

… yay, I get to grind out mobs for 2 hours in hopes I can get enough chocolate bars in order to make A LIMITED 30 MINUTE CONSUMABLE ITEM to give to me and my guildies when we run an instance THAT LASTS 1-2 HOURS AT LEAST.

Thank you for taking a massive chunk of enjoyment out of this game.

I completely 100% agree with you.
This update is ridiculous!!
Crafting is a HUGE part in this game for me and they just killed it.
I honestly can’t even begin to understand why they did this and I’m getting really annoyed with this game.
I enjoyed making food with those cool buffs but now it’s such an annoying hassle.
I find no joy in the crafting of this game and for me, that is a major game killer.

This update has really upset me.
I love crafting in games. It’s one of my favorite things.
I loved the cooking.
I loved getting to buy materials with karma rather than having to spend my hard earned coin on mats.
Karma is easily farmed by doing higher level events.
The events in the 15-25 area give me around 115 karma a pop.
Now i have to spend more karma and more coin to craft which is completely ridiculous.

It’s also not fair AT ALL for the tailors and leatherworkers who used the supply bags that mobs dropped to hopefully get jute scraps or leather to craft with.
Now we get butter and chocolate?
Then we also don’t get an update on what’s actually happening to the game.

I know this game just launched and a lot of things may happen in the future, but letting the community know what’s happening in game would be the first thing you should do. Right?

I personally think this update is awful.

If people were powerleveling through cooking, then nerf the exp gained.
Taking out cooking items and putting them in supply bags made it harder for other crafters as well.

HappyDragon.1578:

I’ve also been getting tons of cooking ingredients from those bags, as of the latest patch. I have no interest in being a chef, so they’re useless to me. I used to get lots of useful stuff, like leather, cotton, and materials for crafting insignias. Yet another update to prevent people from leveling efficiently. At least they didn’t ban anyone this time.

This is completely annoying and honestly it really makes me mad.

I was loving the crafting because it had a small challenge and discovering recipes was fun, but now it’s even harder to get the mats needed and it just sucks now.
I know it’s just a game, but people were already spending a lot of time farming those bags for tailoring and leatherworking mats.
Now we have an even smaller chance of getting what we need because of the cooking mats in them.
I heard people were powerleveling through cooking..
Well make cooking give less exp or something.
Don’t make it even harder on the other crafters.

Don’t get me wrong.
I love the game, but this is just a huge disappointment to me.

Eldarone.8623:

Even using discoveries you still need to farm for both cloth and rare crafting items.

I have a level 43 elem that I am currently farming in level 15-25 zones just for the rare crafting items.

It’s making me bored with this game very quickly, and won’t be buying any expansions until they fix it.

And Yes I Know I don’t Have to Craft, But I like Crafting!.

Yeah, and now with the new update, you’re going to have an even worse time gathering mats from those sacks that drop from monsters.
The sacks now drop cooking mats more than they do jute scraps and other things needed. :|

I can’t believe we can’t buy butter anymore.
Yeah i read people were powerleveling from cooking, but that butter was useful and i would go and take my time farming events to get my mats.
They could have just made cooking exp less or something.
It’s also a little unfair to those tailors or leatherworkers who used those sacks dropped by monsters to get materials for their crafting.
Now those bags will drop cooking mats as well.
Not really balanced and I think it really screwed people over.

Why is the trade broker back up?
It was down for a while and I thought things were getting fixed, but apparently not.
Sorry if I sound rude.
I’m just annoyed because when I want to buy something, i can’t do a wide search for items.
Let’s say i wanted to buy a high level armor piece to remodel the appearance of the armor i have.
I would want to look up Armor -> Coat – > Only show Available:
It will load up and show the first page:
Items on page 1-10
If i try to go to the next page, it goes blank and says ‘No Results Found’
Sometimes i can get to the sixth page, but then it messes up and i have to start all over again.
See why I’m annoyed?
I thought it was only me so I tried one of the fixes listed in this forum.
None of them worked.
So I asked my guild mates to try it out and it messes up for all of them too.

I know it’s a lot of work and there are going to be bugs since this game barely launched, but I don’t understand why the trade broker is even up if it’s still buggy.
—-
So after the game restart, it still doesn’t work?
Can we get an answer if this is even being looked into?
The new game update doesn’t even mention the trading post.

Dominique.5926:

When I’m browsing the trading post, my search results are often lost when I sort by a different column or go to the next page of results.

The results come back if I sort 2-3 more times or hit the search button again.

It’s very frustrating to be 5-6 pages deep and then have to redo my search all over because the results are gone.

This one!!
Please fix this.
It’s extremely annoying.
Knowing that something is on the broker but not being able to get to page 5 or so without it going blank and having to start all over.
It’s so frustrating.

So after talking to a few people in map chat, I thought I’d post this on the forums to see if more people agreed.

Who else thinks that underwater battles are almost impossible?
I’m not saying they’re not doable and don’t attack me for stating my opinion, but I think underwater battles are a little broken.
The aggro underwater is a little crazy at times and some of the mobs are way to overpowered.
I was fighting a Krait Damoss, and it stunned me for what felt like forever and i immediately died.
Then we were doing the event to kill the champion mob underwater in kessex hills and a lot of us just gave up.
Some classes say they feel more powerful underwater, but majority of the people i spoke to always say something like, “I love being able to go underwater in this game, but I don’t like the fighting in it.”

I love this game and there really isn’t much to complain about at all, but underwater battles are a bit insane.

I understand that it’s a lot to work with and it is usually down for repairs, but right now it is not working correctly and it needs to be fixed.
You can buy and sell, but if you do a wide search of items (Example: I select the drop down list and select Armor → Coat) it doesn’t properly function.
It will load and say 1-10 of 896.
I hit next to see 11-20 but sometimes it will bug out and say “No results found” and the page will be blank.
I would much rather have the broker down and fixed rather than it being up and not being able to search for things i need.
Please fix this and thanks in advance.
:)