and no i have no disrespect for anyone not guilded or small guilds….just know whats going on, dont be doing jumping puzzles or walking a dolyak 50 yards or mining.
Appreciate the response and it’s pretty much what I was anticipating as the response.
Servers such as Kaineng, Ferguson, Northern Shiverpeaks, or any medium pop server for that matter need some love. Especially from the oceanic communities. In majority of WvWvW matches, some are won/lost dependant on how big the oceanic community the server has.
These servers have something to offer which is instant queues. If that’s what people want I really recommend heading to any one of those said medium pop servers.
Also I do agree with guilds maintaining the influence gained while transferring. At least it’ll make the decision to leave a whole lot easier.
Yes we all do. Even with Angry Army transfering over to NSP on Tuesday night, we are getting destroyed right now by Anvil and Borlis now. This is partially to do with numbers. I just don’t see many guilds pulling an Angry Army though. I think most people prefer easy wins/long queues due to all timezones being covered by massive guilds, as opposed to short/no queues on weaker servers. Most people don’t want to take the time to actually build something. That’s why I think ANet will have to get involved somehow. I hope I’m wrong and it’s just the guild upgrades that are holding everyone back.
Dear Mike, thanks a lot for the appreciated feedback.
I do however fear you are expecting too much from the community and I know several examples of people presently going TO already overpopulated servers, for fairly obvious reasons, already nailed down by posters above me.
So my question is : what tool will Anet provide for people with, let’s say, more goodwill to organize things from scratch ?
When you spent 2-4 weeks organizing with other guilds something on a server, when it slowly pays off, but when the server becomes steadily overpopulated, you might think about starting new elsewhere, but you won’t do it if it means losing everything in the process.
So what about a free guild migration batch that preserves everything the guild has already worked for ?
I am talking about migrating several time 500 peoples at once. Individual migrations won’t solve the issue in my opinion. Intigo, Malyck and others have already hinted on this point, but I really think we need to insist on that.
Also, there’s some urgency here because you don’t want to allow this when 2-weeks matches will be here. That would mean obviously uneven matches during 2 weeks.
The whole issue won’t magically disappear. It just won’t, because it’s people, it’s a crowd. I think there’s room for Anet to create some solution here.
Good luck and thanks for the awesome game.
I’m with you, I just don’t see the community policing itself. It will take ANet getting directly involved to solve the problem. I wish they would lower the slots alloted for a server on each WvW map. Create longer queues, which would effectively force people to go to lower pop servers. Do that and allow guilds to transfer all of their upgrades over. Upping the slots or creating more maps like some people want is not going to solve the problem. Ending free transfers right now won’t do anything either. Us on smaller servers will always be doomed to irrelevancy.
Well, randoms transfering to better Worlds are actually balancing it in some way since, that world cant pop up anymore so many organized groups into the maps, but yes that sucks anyway. There is also too many ppl comming to WvW just to farm karma or map completition, its very complicated to make some well organized groups, as well as the 1day playing format isnt helping either. And telling ppl to try join other map isnt solution for organized group its solution for such randoms who will just join some zerg wave on the map. Would it be possible to think about some way to prefer for example guild groups oand/or squads?
With your reference to other players as “randoms who will just join some zerg wave” and then asking if it would be possible to give queue preference to groups, you probably won’t get much sympathy from most of us here. That was not really a nice way to present your case.
both are pretty bad in WvWvW. fun,and quite effective, but you’ll not get many kill credits so your loot, exp and rewards will be low.
Mesmers – suffer from low burstdmg and lack of decent aoe (other than chaos storm), your ramp up time and ineffectiveness of shatters in keep warfare mean you wont get many kill credits.
But, in small scale skirmishes, caravans, supply camps etc, you are lethal and really really really hard to kill.
Guardians – lack of ranged options makes guardians pretty useless in keep warfare, support is fine, but you dont get credit for it.
Once the door goes down however, you become lethal and hard to kill, so if you can stand the boredom of waiting for a seige to break in, then you wil be fine.
Hey we (Guardians) can be pretty useful in keep warfare. Throwing bubbles, heals, aegis, retaliation, aoe cleanse fields. I mean we are not a one man army but we do have plenty of uses in that situation.
If support is your cup of tea then go guardian. In WvW my traits/slots give me multiple ways to heal and give my allies abilities like retaliation (currently OP with it’s affect on siege weaponry) and aegis. I can’t help you on the mes because I’ve only gotten my second character (Asuran Mesmer) to level 5. Hope that helps you!
Right now there is a lot of circle-raiding going on. Conquer a keep, move on, loose the keep without resistance, come back, conquer it again. That´s the easiest way to gain Karma in WvW right now, so thats what people do.
Take away the Karma for conquering something, give it away for acually fighting opponents instead. Make Karma-gains per hour at best equally effective as in PvE.
That should get rid of a good portion of the queues.
I like this idea. Earlier tonight I was the lone defender of a tower on EB. Needless to say it was taken while everyone was split in to multiple groups trying to take other objectives and arguing/harrassing each other in /map on what was most important to zerg take. Eventually I had about 30 guys from anvil show up to take my tower that I had been upgrading for the past 40 minutes. All that silver and time went to waste because the system caters to what you call circle raiding.
Sheesh Raptor, this isn’t the AA Freelancer. This guy said he was from Yaks Bend in his 2nd post.
My bad read it wrong. I was thinking he was talking about Yaks Bend borderlands. Regardless I did come back instantly and state that I did not believe that it could be TL’s Freelancer.
I got to thinking about this and the OP can’t be Freelancer of Team Legacy. Even he is not arrogant enough to think nobody would catch him complaining about this. Can’t be lol.
Every day, my server captures and upgrades the various forts and towers in our territory.. and every night all the Australians wake up, roll in, and take everything with hardly any effort.
Im sure it is the same the other way around when they go to sleep and we start capping the stuff that they spent gold and time upgrading.
This system is no fun for either side. Please stop matching people from such drastically different time zones against each other.
So let me get this right…you organized Ascension Alliance which is a multi time zone alliance, and when you can’t beat Titan Alliance (another multi time zone alliance) you want this to stop? Am I right or am I right?
I didn’t attack, as I decided that if I had killed one of them it probably would have felt like killing a unicorn, and no one wants that on their conscience.
Ugh, Kaineng needs the help WAY more than Northern Shiverpeaks.
At this point I don’t think which needs help more really matters, both of our servers have ectremely small populations. We’d need ANet to clarify which server is worse off.
My guild is doing this we got 500 members with a second guild in the making and we wanted to WvW but on henge of denravi our que time was up to 4hrs so we transfering to Northern Shiverpeks its so we can have fun together whether the server is wining or not.
No kitten? That’s excellent news for both pve and pvp if true. Here is the server’s official forum for the time being (just in case you guys want to announce).
They don’t need a merge, they need the not so smart people sitting in their queues every night to transfer to them.
I agree with you…I just don’t see the 8 hour queue guys packing bags and moving over to NSP and/or Kain. It’s frustrating as hell to see. We could have a very healthy WvW scene across multiple servers if they would just make the move.
Easiest fix would be a system that’s already in place. Just needs to be modified for WvW, rather than single zones.
Overflow.
You could get in here with players from other servers, and it balances it out upon entry, so each side has similar numbers. You could still play with friends of course by going in together. But it would auto-balance as best as possible.
The overflow would just be for fun while waiting for room in your own, so it would reset often and wouldn’t have any effect on specific servers.
Actually the easiest fix is for people to disperse. We have the power to transfer.
If You want a slice of bread you should help bake it.
A poor analogy will not help you make your case.
i do not qq, i am suggesting ways to fix the problems. learn the meaning of qq please.
Well based on your thread title and and the body of your original post, QQing is people complaining about aspects of WvW such as night capping. I understand that this is something that everyone needs to suck it up on. However you then go on to complain about how 80s need priority over non 80s. That is QQing. It’s an ascpect of the game just like night capping is. This is not burger king where you can have it your way. Deal with it.
why should they get priority over me and players like me(lvl 80s) who have done all the baking?
There you go again with that cute little analogy topped off with a liberal coating of entitlement syndrome
and furthermore idk where you guys got the impression that lowbies would be kicked from wvw, They would still be able to join and hold a slot once in the game.
Well you’re kind of suggesting that 80s take priority over lower levels. What more can we get from that?
And there is nothing godmode about the top servers, all in all the games are close with them usually having a 1k-10k point spread.
That’s because you’re playing other god mode servers. When you get paired up against “Div 2” servers you run away with the score.
Just to add but this is the elephant in the room. This is the subject where everyone is doing backstrokes in an Egyptian river. Police yourselves and the queue will not police you. Spread out. So what if the other 300+ people in your alliance are on other servers. This will make the WvW scene much better. This is how you fix the queue problem.
I wish it were that easy but it is not. Most medium pop servers don’t have enough people in them to fill the maps,. let alone one for high level players and another for low levels. I’m a proponent of dropping the slots available for WvW maps. QQing will ensue but it would force people to join the lower pop servers.
If the low-level servers were unranked, they could simply take players from any world and slot them into random teams to fill the maps. I think this would work out nicely. As it stands, having lowbies in ranked matches just isn’t working out.
I would actually enjoy them slotting players to us so we could fill our maps, but I don’t expect them to implement this change to give us more people when we have the technology to police ourselves. The only thing keeping WvW from going much better is people’s reluctance to leave the winning servers. Just think if part of the guilds from JQ, ET, and HoD left to go to other servers. The competition would be so much better and create a healthy WvW scene. It would not matter if a server had non 80s or large organized hardcore WvW guilds because the other two servers would have the same. However, everyone wants to find a scapegoat. In this thread it is the 79 and below guys. On another thread it was guys running solo as opposed to being in a major guild. I see this all the time.
The problem is server populations. We have the means to fix it. Until we as players do something about it expect long queues on high pop servers, and ghost towns on the others.
Oh almost forgot, I’ve seen plenty of non 80s prove very effective in WvW.
I agree with both sides. Low levels like me have every incentive to queue up and play; we can get loot and levels while PvPing! But we also have weak builds compared to level 80’s.
The solution? It’s pretty simple, actually. Just add lower-level WvW servers, like WoW’s low-level battlegrounds.
At some point, the WvW server will be switching from 24h resets to 2week resets. When this happens, I propose Anet adds low-level bracket WvW for (2-40) and (41-79). There is definitely a market for it.
These low level servers should only be for levelling, not server rank. As such, I propose leaving them on 24h resets, and hiding the enemies’ server names. I hope Anet listens because I REAAALLY love using PvP to level but it hurts the server when lowbies join.
I wish it were that easy but it is not. Most medium pop servers don’t have enough people in them to fill the maps,. let alone one for high level players and another for low levels. I’m a proponent of dropping the slots available for WvW maps. QQing will ensue but it would force people to join the lower pop servers. Once things were balanced turn free transfers off. If someone wants to join a god mode server with 24 hr coverage after this. charge them $40+ That would do something to combat the leeches. It would also spread out the large guilds and make the field more competitive.
I did not qq, merely provide constructive feedback,
You QQd about queues hence you’re QQing. Constructive feedback is not suggesting some players go to the back of the line.
also why should lower levels have the same priority over somebody with more character power than them? that just makes no sense.
Why should you be given priority over them? They paid for the service just as you did. I take it you’re used to getting everything you want?
And we are not the only server that deals with this. And it should be fixed in the way i suggest or as an alternative making wvw more like spvp in the way of everybody getting access to a standard set of gear runes and free reign with talents and traits
I never said you are not the only ones. I said that the major alliances and servers with high pop should split up and go elsewhere. It would make the competition better and you would not have long queues. I say again, you guys have created the mess you’re in. ANet is trying to help you with free transfers. If queues are that much of an issue then let ANet help you. If you want to remain behind in god mode servers with long queues, then deal with long queues. You won’t get much sympathy from players like myself.
Also, i will not deal with people afking in a highly competitive pvp bracket.
Even though I agree that afkers should be kicked:
1 – How did this get brought up?
2 – Yes you will actually, unless you found a way to kick them from WvW.
Secondly the queue system is broken. Level 80 players need priority over lower levels.
People that queue in large groups. need a priority over solo queue players.
Why? Because i play on the best wvw server in NA, our dedicated guilds and people cannot get into thekittenmatch. because it is overrun with low level yak escorts who do nothing to contribute to the team except provide amusement while they troll chat, while ignoring key objectives being assaulted.
While this might seem unfair to low levels, it is also unfair to people who are at 80, watching their low level teammates get nearly one shot by people in exotic gear.
But chin! people get scaled up to level 80. while this is true you do not gain access to all skills, traits and higher level gear like in spvp meaning higher levels have a very large advantage.
You’re really going to tell people to stop QQing and then go on to QQ? The non 80s and solo players have just as much of a right to be in that match as you. If you don’t like it then you and your guild should come to a lower pop server. We have instant queues at NSP. Hearing the same about a few other servers. You have the means to make this problem go away by not bunching up with the masses on a god mode server. Apparently you prefer easy mode or you did drugs at some point in your life and are incapable of understanding how to use the transfer button. Whichever it is, I don’t feel sorry for you when you have the means at your disposal to make this problem go away.
This would hurt smaller servers. We will lose even more players than we already have if more slots are opened for WvW. You will get more transfers then be back at square one.
First of all, the WvW is the best PvP experince out there compared to WoW, SWTOR, war etc.
The problem with it is the chaos, its like a very nice playground that is all messed up and need to be tidy.
1) Priorty in Queue to lvl 80 and to those joined with commander in a group of 20. Imagine the queue takes half an hour for a solo player who is god knows lvl 10 and is pretty much half as useful if not less as a geared level 80. Imagine when you try to join as 20 people together? this would be like what a 5 hours queue? this need to be fixed, those low lvls let them level up elsewhere.
So non 80s and solo players, who might I remind you paid for the game just like you and I did, should be treated as inferior players by having longer queue times than others? You guys complaining about queue times either need to switch to a low pop server or just deal with it. You have made the bed that you are in, nobody else.
Working as intended. When you have large groups of players covering all times, your server will do well and have people join you guys. There are only two solutions to the queues right now.
1 – The leadership of the alliances could split. Half an alliance could go to another server. Both serrvers will still be viable in world pvp, however they will no longer be a god mode server. This will never happen.
2 – ANet could fix the issue. All they need to do is lower the slots in each wvw map. Yeah this will kitten the masses off but it would fix things by forcing this large alliances to break up and go their seperate ways if they wanted decent queues. Once servers were balanced according to population, they could axe free transfers and charge an arm and a leg for paid ones.
Option 2 is more likely to happen than option 1, but I still don’t believe ANet will risk pissing people off (personally I’m for this). Anything else is seems like it would be applying bandaids to a gunshot would.
