Just to go into further detail. When crafting Recipe: Gift of Souls, it will require 40 Bottles of Elonian Wine, 10 Candy Corn Cobs, 10 Piles of Crystalline Dust, and 10 Tyria’s Best Nougat Centers. That is just to craft the actual recipe for gift of souls. Crafting the crossing is completely different.
For The Crossing you will need:
1 Gift of the Souls
1 Eldritch Scroll
100 Mystic Coin
20 Superior Sigil of the Night
Sadly this solves absolutely nothing. My server will continue to lose people. Coat tail riders will still be able to swap servers at the begining of every new match. Should be a minimum of 14 days plus a large sum of gems/gold.
I honestly don’t even know why people are going in to WvW because so far all I’ve seen is a lack of concern for it from the devs.
In theory first place should be getting double teamed in these matchups. I’m thinking the bonuses were meant for 1st place to have some help from 2nd and 3rd double teaming them. However 2nd and 3rd place are rarely double teaming 1st place in these games.
NSP self admittedly practically lived in EB’s borderlands for the first half of the week.
I’ve seen plenty of posters agree that was one of the main reasons why DH pulled ahead.
Really, the match is close. Ehmry is at a tremendous disadvantage in NSP’s borderlands just like SF is at a disadvantage in our borderlands.
I’m just suggesting they attack where they actually have the advantage at.
Show us where it was admitted that we lived in your bl during the first half of the week? For the most part we only hit you just enough to reset upgrades. A small group of us where even defending your sites one night from DH on your bl. We did not go all out on embay until we’d had enough of you guys only attacking us.
I guess I worded that wrong. We had players leave for SoR after that match was over. Next match we had was against you guys. That’s when our next exodus of players left, which was VIP.
Easy buddy. Here you go again only giving credit when it boosts your own ego. Neither NSP or Maguuma are as good as SoR is right now nor as good as SoR was 2 weeks ago. NSP has lost manpower for 2 weeks straight, following the close loss to SoR, and I’m sure Maguuma has been facing an efflux during their downward spiral, too. I mean, we’ve been strattling the Outmanned buff in a couple of the maps all day and tonight.
They are far better than SoR was 4 weeks ago. That was the time I was referring to. NSP didn’t lose so much that they couldn’t compete after the SoR loss. They may have lost a little, but isn’t that a bit odd that suddenly when you lose a really good and close match, that everyone jumps ship? I don’t think that’s how it happened. We still won prime time for the most part. We improved, you may not like it, but it’s a fact.
I do wish you guys luck when you inevitably move up in tiers because it’s clear that NSP is going in the other direction right now (unless we get some major influx soon), but this whole patting yourself on the back thing for how far you think you’ve come or whatever is getting a bit ridiculous don’t you think?
It would be patting myself on the back if I were doing it for no reason. I only mentioned any of that because someone said we weren’t playing well essentially. I took the time to remind them that we’ve come a long way from what we were. We’re a transformed server, ask anyone from Dh, it’s a different server in WvW than it was 4 weeks ago.
Just because you or the people on your server that you know weren’t that familiar with WvW a couple weeks ago, doesn’t mean that you learning how to WvW has affected the overall outcome of your matchups very much. I mean, DH has had threads recruiting Asian and Oceanic guilds on Guru and other forums and then you also got an influx of WvW support from our server this week.
And this is why people who aren’t from Dh shouldn’t comment on Dh. Our night time improved long before the massive influx of night time players we got. We were dominating SoR and SF with like 50 people. Our tactics and such did improve a massive amount, and it did help a massive amount. Again, unless you were on our server and saw how truly horrible we used to be, you’re not in a position to comment on how far we’ve come.
Ok I get your point about people not from DH commenting on it. What I don’t get is what makes you a subject matter expert on NSP? I suggest taking your own advice and not making claims about how many players we have lost.
Feel free to correct it, I think the logic behind it speaks for itself. Why would there be a sudden mass exodus over a very close loss? But like I said, if I’m wrong, correct me.
Well the same goes for my post. Some from your server were taking the moral high ground, many have accused us of abusing in game mechanics and I was responding to them. I agree the argument you were referring to falls flat, but what about what I wrote?
I don’t recall specifically addressing your post, but I’ll go back and read it real quick to see what I think. I found multiple posts so I read one and I find that I agree with you for the most part but, there is a difference between causing the culling issue unintentionally Vs. abusing it intentionally. The example you gave about people jumping off the wall is what I’m addressing. If tons of people lined up on a wall and their leader said “jump off, because there is so many of us they won’t be able to spot us due to culling issues” then it seems perfectly plausible to say that’s cheap and possibly even exploiting (I wouldn’t personally go that far).
Again, I don’t know if I agree with my fellow Darkhaven players, but I do see their point. If your server was doing this to make it harder for us to render you, then that sounds really cheap to me, though not really an exploit. For me, it’s about the intentions, not necessarily the effect. One guy already explained to me why you guys do the stacking though, so I don’t think you guys are even being cheap, it’s just something that really needs to get fixed (culling).
I was mainly replying just to point out the hypocrisy you displayed in your post earlier. However since you do seem curious here is our evidence. Queues. At the begining of our match with SoR and YB we had all four maps maxxed out. We also had a significant night force for our tier. Since the end of that match each of these have decreased drastically. I know some of our former residents were very vocal about transferring to SoR. Next we had VIP leave. Now make no mistake about it they are a textbook example of a Zerg, but we still lost WvW bodies when they left.
Easy buddy. Here you go again only giving credit when it boosts your own ego. Neither NSP or Maguuma are as good as SoR is right now nor as good as SoR was 2 weeks ago. NSP has lost manpower for 2 weeks straight, following the close loss to SoR, and I’m sure Maguuma has been facing an efflux during their downward spiral, too. I mean, we’ve been strattling the Outmanned buff in a couple of the maps all day and tonight.
They are far better than SoR was 4 weeks ago. That was the time I was referring to. NSP didn’t lose so much that they couldn’t compete after the SoR loss. They may have lost a little, but isn’t that a bit odd that suddenly when you lose a really good and close match, that everyone jumps ship? I don’t think that’s how it happened. We still won prime time for the most part. We improved, you may not like it, but it’s a fact.
I do wish you guys luck when you inevitably move up in tiers because it’s clear that NSP is going in the other direction right now (unless we get some major influx soon), but this whole patting yourself on the back thing for how far you think you’ve come or whatever is getting a bit ridiculous don’t you think?
It would be patting myself on the back if I were doing it for no reason. I only mentioned any of that because someone said we weren’t playing well essentially. I took the time to remind them that we’ve come a long way from what we were. We’re a transformed server, ask anyone from Dh, it’s a different server in WvW than it was 4 weeks ago.
Just because you or the people on your server that you know weren’t that familiar with WvW a couple weeks ago, doesn’t mean that you learning how to WvW has affected the overall outcome of your matchups very much. I mean, DH has had threads recruiting Asian and Oceanic guilds on Guru and other forums and then you also got an influx of WvW support from our server this week.
And this is why people who aren’t from Dh shouldn’t comment on Dh. Our night time improved long before the massive influx of night time players we got. We were dominating SoR and SF with like 50 people. Our tactics and such did improve a massive amount, and it did help a massive amount. Again, unless you were on our server and saw how truly horrible we used to be, you’re not in a position to comment on how far we’ve come.
Ok I get your point about people not from DH commenting on it. What I don’t get is what makes you a subject matter expert on NSP? I suggest taking your own advice and not making claims about how many players we have lost.
Nice “tactic” on stacking 30+ people in one tiny space to abuse the rendering issue GOON. Can’t anyone fight normally without relying on hacking or glitches these days?
Well I take it we have your griping to look forward to (again) for the next 7 days. Anywho I got an idea, why don’t you post a vid of a crystal desert invader hacking as your proof. Lol that worked out well as your evidence against us last match.
also, my advice to E-bay – I noticed many of your players don’t have level 80 characters …I’m a level 80 character with a crafted weapon, respectfully I was taking down tons of you guys with little effort. and I was getting level 5-10 gear as drops from it. Not to mention you should have worked with us vs NS for a while since they had the bigger numbers. You guys do have a good strategy though, but your firepower with real level 80 characters could be stronger. Many DH players are also pve’rs with max characters / items.
To be fair without our lowbies actively leveling in WvW we would be even more horribly undermanned.
What Ralathar is saying is partially correct. We have serious cohesion issues with coordination on Darkhaven. It can be extremely frustrating at times. We would do MUCH better if we had better cohesion and organization.
All it’s going to take is for us to face a sizable force that has good strategy and we will be screwed.
It’s easy to see because we suffer the same issues.
Someone from ebay calling nsp unwise. That’s funny.
Considering that yall pretty much threw this entire matchup I consider it a fair assessment. We certainly have our issues, but that’s kind of a red herring.
I promise there has been no match throwing. Stop pretending to know things that you don’t.
We (NSP) took the orb for kitten n giggles but eventually all 7 of us got killed before we made it out of camp with it. From the looks of the map it was never put back into the alter. I imagine that’s part of the reason why DH got it from eBay so easily. I doubt there was any hacking.
Just got repulsed on Ogres by Darkhaven after repelling a keep siege in EB against far superior numbers. On ogres we got the gate down and were fighting 1:1 inside and winning. But right before we wiped em more Darkhaven swooped in behind to make it 3:1 odds.
I gotta say Dark, you’re going to need to get better if you are going up a tier. You have numbers at night but that’s it. If Ehrmy Bay can break a far superior force (with shiverpeaks harassing both till we drove em off) and then only fails a keep siege against even numbers thanks to a hardcore zerg? Well, others will tear you apart.
I can’t give yall a good overall grade. You’re day crew is smart fighters and win the big picture with the help of Shiverpeaks being not so wise. You’re night crew appears to be the base zerg level skill from what I’ve face of them to date. I admit being a bit disappointed.
I’m going to have to agree after all this time that your win is primarily based on the peak time differential and night capping. But at least you’re better than Northern Shiverpeaks. Shame I eventually ended up at this conclusion but seriously yall best prepare for tiers that actually field night crews or you’re going to get hit hard by the skill differential.
Someone from ebay calling nsp unwise. That’s funny.
They should have left NSP vs SOR vsYB alone… That was best match up by far… And was too close to move any of them to different brackets… I think everyone from all three servers wants another run at it…
I’ve been wanting this to happen for a while. It would give the overcrowded servers longer queues and force guilds to reconsider moves to servers that don’t have as much of a WvW minded player base.
This isn’t that unbalanced of a match. NSP had a pretty weak turnout though, hopefully it picks up soon. Have had fun fighting so far. I’ll see you on the battlefield soon!
For NSP I’m going with Toble’s ’picks from earlier in the thread. Oc, Snow, Sam, and Liana tend to see the big picture and make good tactical decisions.
EDIT: filter is way too harsh and forced me to change picks to ‘picks
EDIT 2: I’m sure there are other good commands on our server, the ones I listed are just the group I’ve typically run across based on when and what map I queue for.
NSP – SoR – YB match was about the closest score so far on NA servers. It was tier 5 and not decided until the final hours. So I would not say anything below tier 3 is boring.
Awesome match so far, it is absolutely the greatest that I’ve been in since early access! It seems like we never get a moment to rest in this match. Much respect to our two opponents!
I called Condemned quitting early well before the game launched, but I’m surprised TA could not survive without Condemned.
While I think the redistribution of the Guilds is a great thing the declarations of being undefeated is laughable. They often chastise other servers for quitting early in a week, but then they themselves quit before the game actually balances out, majority of players get to 80 and get comfortble with their gear/classes. Alliances get to form and catch up.
You know what was going to change in two week match ups? The 2nd weekend. Something to fight through the week for.
And saying you only had “one” euro guild. That’s enough. I mean honestly one group of players running around in the wee hours of the morning is enough to cap everything and upgrade everything.
Sure NA Primetime HoD was competitive, but were beaten. I often remember on Red Borderlands vs HoD they often only owned just one keep during 24 hour match ups, and often won because of mechanics/reset abuse of stonemist. (which actually caused stonemist to be corrected)
Just as other servers are catching up to actually be competition for HoD, the major alliance folds.
Not surprised at all with Condemned being involved.
14/16 guilds are staying in the game so I would hardly call that quitting. As for them getting beat prime time, that can happen when you are getting focus fired. I’m at work on my iPhone so forgive me for not being able to provide a link to the thread where the SBI player admitted to this. I know this can’t be used as evidence but I don’t care and will mention it anyways. I personally have have heard from friends on ET that there was focus fire going on. I’m not saying it was wrong because that’s what the 3 faction system is about. All I’m saying is at least be real about it.
As for them chastising certain guilds for giving up, well maybe it’s because they want some competition. They are clearly not getting it right now so they are spreading out to even the battles. They stuck with it for the longest despite their queues unlike some. It’s actually quiet hypocritical that some people are briefing them about this when they ran from their queues after their first loss.
Oh yeah fyi, a second weekend would also add a second set of weekdays.
Lame… You can’t play a month of a bracket and claim being undefeated.
Actually they can because they did dominate. What makes it really impressive is that they did this despite their queues. They did not tuck their tails and run. They toughened it out.
I can say that the Holocaust didn’t happen too, but I’ll just get laughed at on the way out the door. Saying you’re undefeated a month into a bracket before the game balances is just absurd. This month is only a fraction of the bracket; I’m just stating the facts.
And so am I. They dominated and based on what some of my friends on JQ and ET told me, that was not going to change anytime soon. We’ll just have to agree to disagree on this. The most important thing here is that they are spreading out. This is good for the NA servers. I’m hoping this causes a domino effect and we get server balance reaching further than tier 2. Yeah I’m glass is half full kinda guy. Cheers.
Lame… You can’t play a month of a bracket and claim being undefeated.
Actually they can because they did dominate. What makes it really impressive is that they did this despite their queues. They did not tuck their tails and run. They toughened it out.
And to TA. You guys are truly (and I hope you get this reference) the Ender Wiggins of the game. I almost rolled HoD day 1 because of a friend from another game who was running with one of your guilds. Had a friend from the Marine Corps talk me in to going with him to NSP though since he is in Ruin (lol won’t hold that against him). It ended up working out for me since I’ve got zero queus. However I still would have liked to have been involved in some of those epic battles I’ve read about here and at guru.
What you guys are now doing is worthy of every players respect. You are taking the initiative to do your best to balance out the servers. I doubt anyone has to tell you guys this but don’t listen to the haters. They hated you before you decided to disburse because you would not, now they are hating you for doing the opposite.
I imagine that all the guilds from TA have already decided where they will take residence, but just in case any have not then I’d like to insert a plug for NSP. We need an off hours guild! It would be awesome to have a sizable group to run with during that time frame. Those of us who play in the off hours tend to get ronnery.
Well anyways, wherever the different guilds of TA end up, wish ya nothing but luck!
Just want to tell the Anvil Rock guys good job on baiting me (the guardian you guys owned) just now at Novotl behind Quentin. I chased one of you and waiting on me behind the wall was a faceroll lol! Anyways happy hunting guys.
Lol I looked at the reddit link and I think it had 4 votes. I just showed a friend and now it’s at 0. Looks like they got a few guys downvoting it. Voted up to show my support.
Ok I get it, you don’t know what you’re talking about.
Its nothing personal against you or anybody, stop commenting my posts with crap.
Don’t post crap and you will not get a “crap” response.
Nothing personal.
I dont get what you dont understand on statement that solo ppl joining WvW maps ruining it for those who want to play it seriously.
You don’t get it because you do not understand that they paid the same as you did and have just as much of a right to the product as you or I do. If you can not fathom this then we should probably just agree to disagree.
Nobody is refusing here anybody their rights, Anet is trying to solve problem with queing WvW maps which is ruining the experience from the game to the most of us. Your right ends just at the point others begins FYI.
So your solution is to make it better for one portion of the player base at the expense of the other? That in itself is ruining the experience for most of the players. FYI casual players are where the money is at in mmos. It took me a while to realize it. To ruin further ruin the experience of one group of players just to accomadate another group is wrong who paid for the same service is wrong. To cater to a minority customer base at the expense of treating the majority of customers like second rate shoppers is just bad business. There’s really no point in even discussing this any further because ANet is a business, and as a business they will NEVER do something like what you suggest.
You would have better luck by pressing ANet to let guild upgrades transfer and then swap to a lower queue server. We had an extremely large guild swap to our low pop server the other day and they are loving the instant queues (at least that’s what I heard).
No absolutely not, thats what i was afraid from begining, you totaly dont understand whats going on…just throwing one replay after another…
You were right there in one thing, the community will not manner itself its needed to be manipulated somehow and since there exist such thing as EULA etc which you agreed and the limits on the maps, and there are no written rules how queues work ATM we would consider everyplayer to have right to join the WvW, solutions is smt like the posts above overflow or extra maps or map where ppl who have absolutely no interest to be doing some usefull stuff, just what they want, or simply try to learn how it all works (like hotjoin in sPvP). But the dedicated players wants their organized groups/guilds to meet each other and compete for REAL, they might get something on maps where they meet other organized forces.
Actually I totally do understand what’s going on. I have experienced massive queues on NSP before we had the first exodus here. I understand fully well.
And yes that EULA does allow ANet to do whatever it wants…but what you want will not happen. Like I said earlier, ANet is a business and they will do nothing to make their customers the majority of their customers feel inferior by not letting them participate in the same things that you or I are capable of. I’m sorry if you can’t understand this but you’re just going to have to deal with it. At the end of the day ANet is a business. You got the product that was advertised. There’s really no point in arguing with you further so if you feel the need to replay your “you just don’t get it line” have at it.
Ok I get it, you don’t know what you’re talking about.
Its nothing personal against you or anybody, stop commenting my posts with crap.
Don’t post crap and you will not get a “crap” response.
Nothing personal.
I dont get what you dont understand on statement that solo ppl joining WvW maps ruining it for those who want to play it seriously.
You don’t get it because you do not understand that they paid the same as you did and have just as much of a right to the product as you or I do. If you can not fathom this then we should probably just agree to disagree.
Nobody is refusing here anybody their rights, Anet is trying to solve problem with queing WvW maps which is ruining the experience from the game to the most of us. Your right ends just at the point others begins FYI.
So your solution is to make it better for one portion of the player base at the expense of the other? That in itself is ruining the experience for most of the players. FYI casual players are where the money is at in mmos. It took me a while to realize it. To ruin the experience of one group of players just to accomadate another group who paid for the same service is wrong. To cater to a minority customer base at the expense of treating the majority of customers like second rate shoppers is just bad business. There’s really no point in even discussing this any further because ANet is a business, and as a business they will NEVER do something like what you suggest.
You would have better luck by pressing ANet to let guild upgrades transfer and then swap to a lower queue server. We had an extremely large guild swap to our low pop server the other day and they are loving the instant queues (at least that’s what I heard).
Ok I get it, you don’t know what you’re talking about.
Its nothing personal against you or anybody, stop commenting my posts with crap.
Don’t post crap and you will not get a “crap” response.
Nothing personal.
I dont get what you dont understand on statement that solo ppl joining WvW maps ruining it for those who want to play it seriously.
You don’t get it because you do not understand that they paid the same as you did and have just as much of a right to the product as you or I do. If you can not fathom this then we should probably just agree to disagree.
With your reference to other players as “randoms who will just join some zerg wave” and then asking if it would be possible to give queue preference to groups, you probably won’t get much sympathy from most of us here. That was not really a nice way to present your case.
As long as you will be just random joining the zerg wave i dont care about your sympathy, I want the WvW to be place for quality PvP experience and some fun for ppl who are really interested (those understand they shoulda stick to some organization structure on the map). Well I know its still close from launch and many ppl will be comming to see WvW just from curiosity, but this should not disallow dedicated players making the fight interesting for those who care.
Ok I get it, you don’t know what you’re talking about.
. Shame I eventually ended up at this conclusion but seriously yall best prepare for tiers that actually field night crews or you’re going to get hit hard by the skill differential.
