Guild Wars 2

The problem I have with Spvp is that it’s not actually pvp at all.
The point is to stand on a point. If they release different game types I’ll do more spvp but I refuse to play it in it’s current state where knocking people back is more effective then killing them point-wise.
That said I do agree with you for the most part. Zergs and other large organized groups are what decides the outcome of WvW, it’s what WvW was made for.
However for camp capping, dolly hunting, scouting and countering all these activities for the enemy, you are better off with smaller groups or solo play.
Also roaming is like hunting, you can stalk your prey and kill him if you’re good enough. Or sometimes you’re lured into a trap and have to use all kinds of tricks to escape.

I can understand why they’re frustrated about blobbing. If you constantly fight groups twice your size you sometimes just want to see some fair even-numbered battles…
I mean how hard is it to just pop 2 tags or run with 1 guild group and 1 pug zerg in a border, rather then just grouping every single player together?

Good thing is that this match at least has some solo roamers, I like it.

Aether McLoud.1975:

First Dev post on the ele forum since january. It’s a “Thanks” post for the 1 positive thread amongst the sea of justified criticism posts. Go figure. This shows how much anet simply loves to spit on the ele community.

I remember RoS being below FoW and Vabbi….
Boy am I glad we got out of there :S

Had some duels with JD just now. We should make the vabbi windmill the official duel spot!

Runty Choir.4893:

So even though we lost the matchup

That’s your observation, you won the most points so I don’t see how you lost there.

you are whining

Ohh? I guess everything is whining these days.

that we played late on 1 day?

It’s a 7 day average, your event had very little impact on this graph.

Also 7am is offpeak when our tick was dire so yea lets do something about nightcapping.

I never said otherwise, in fact I even said that we have a strong 24 hour coverage AKA night force. I also said that Arenanet in their post mentioned punishing servers who log out later, not who log in earlier.

Have a nice day.

Guild tag, screens, time, method? As you say it right now it looks as if you’re just complaining for the sake of complaining.
Report him to Arenanet and if he’s from a known guild be sure to inform said guild.

You know what the most ironic thing is?
Attached is a file that gives you the average point gain per server per hour of day.

Now you can accuse us all you want off nightcapping but when most people who have to get up early log off (around 10-11 pm, maybe a bit later) Gunner’s point-gain skyrockets.
Now I can’t find the post but didn’t Anet say that they would address the issue that servers who log off later would get an unfair advantage? They didn’t say anything about servers who log on earlier.

Now I know we have the higher score currently because of our strong 24 hour coverage, I’m just saying you can wish for Anet to help you get rating but don’t complain when it comes back to bite you in the kitten .

Stay classy!

SnobbishRaptor.2367:

I like MS’ night capping against GH, and their kindness towards RoS. How can GH lead over RoS when RoS is dancing on roses with MS on their side?

We hardly ticked higher than 130 during the weekend, when GH was dancing on roses with MS on their side.
About invading MS BL; I tried flipping some camps, encountered 5 players with superior siege in each one.
They’re insanely well defended and it would be foolish to waste resources into attacking them with all the enemies wreaking havoc in our border.

That’s not strategy, and good luck devising any tactical approach to take a keep that’s being defended by 10 experienced players without having at least 60 yourself now.

What they should do is make the maps at least 10 times as big, so zergs cannot just run around and get anywhere they’re needed in time.

We’ve had zero to no night activity for 6 months, I think we managed to deal with it just fine. At least now we won’t have to worry about all our keeps being gone every single morning in any semi-competitive matchup.
And about beating players to take a keep, they killed that with the AC patch. Not only that but if you look closely to what has been happening in EB for the past 3 days you’ll realize the hypocrisy in that statement.
IMO strategy should play a much larger role in WvW then it currently does. Tactics and manpower, including the difference in skill, should come 2nd.

How cute, GH talking about being focussed.
Also the rivalry between GH and RoS from a much longer time ago.

About millers, I agree they’re better then most of the large zerg-servers. Also the dedication they put into keeping their BL clean is astounding. They had more people literally sitting in a supply camp for hours to defend it then we had in EB during all this time.

Yea we had about 13 or something, sadly we’re all mostly roamers or PvE heroes so we didn’t stand a chance against you. :D

Neil.6138:

Reset night video from Praxium: Mess it Up

Lead: Messyi

Praxium versus Ruins of Surmia, Miller’s Sound, Deus Ex Machina and Menelya. Joined by SOE, FURY and Cry Havoc during the WvW reset. One of Messyi’s first leads.

You didn’t include stomping FA in your BL???

First time ever we had more then 3 people in WvW and you didn’t include it? :(
It’s a historical moment! We need video proof!

Steelo.4597:

The Millers borderland was pretty red at reset (hills and bay ours for a long while), but not a blue dot there of course since they had to go to GH.

If we had only half the people you had during reset we might have been able to send a few to millers, sorry to disappoint you.

Look on your minimap dude..

Enis.4057:

You got a big group, we got a guild group

You forgot to add in the 30-40 FR on the walls.

Travlane.5948:

Ray.2640:

Travlane.5948:

ok i dont have any pics . but eles have a -33% condition trait….the runes of melandru give condition -25% and lemongrass soup food does another -40 % condition duration. this is a total of -98% condition time. if you give somebody 100 seconds of poison…..it now lasts a mere 2 seconds. so basically anything under 15 seconds is literally less than a blink of the eye. 10 sec duration of bleed is now .2 seconds :P its nothing.

The trait does NOT affect bleed and poison! If anyone runs with the -40% condition duration food then kudos to him, for every person who does there are 5 people who use the +40% duration food.
The runes are a massive trade off, you get 25% less condition duration but lose out on so many awesome rune stats you could have had otherwise.
But God forbid there exists a counter to a p/d thief… Even though they kitten themselves more then you get kitten by their counter.

ray im talking all conditions not just bleed/poioson….even 65% less bleed/poison is crazy! each bleed is usually only 5 secs or so…then down to 2? thats basically cutting condi builds in more than half. also you need other skills like blind…..immobilize….ice…. these are important.. all the ele was doing is runnig around and using his “meat and potatoes” skills when they recharged…in the mean time you are crippled / chilled and cant get in range. only way to catch up is to do the same to him…but oh wait…u cant bc 98%……. the bleeds/poisons at best get him to 80% maybe 75% if ur good. and we all know eles heal like bosses. :P i dont mind a counter to p/d. again maybe its over your head. this is a HARD counter. like NO CHANCE to kill kind of counter….there was supposed to be no kind of these in game. hence why thieves were giving LS to deal with bunkers in PVP….now thieves can go in pvp and have a chance…..invis wont let you cant or push off so its not good to run invis in spvp.

ok….so im betting that you think +40% and -40% cancel each other out? wrong. did u know that the -40% is 35% more effective?

First of all you lost the bet.

Also please tell me why a specific build which is pretty bad against classes without conditions should not give you a hard time when there is no way in the game to kill a p/d thief? I mean it’s totally fair that you can get away with everything but if you cannot kill a single target it’s too much for you to just reset the fight and look for another player to kill? I repeat; you play a build that is impossible to kill for almost every single player in the game and you complain that you have problems killing a spec that specifically counters yours?

Travlane.5948:

ok i dont have any pics . but eles have a -33% condition trait….the runes of melandru give condition -25% and lemongrass soup food does another -40 % condition duration. this is a total of -98% condition time. if you give somebody 100 seconds of poison…..it now lasts a mere 2 seconds. so basically anything under 15 seconds is literally less than a blink of the eye. 10 sec duration of bleed is now .2 seconds :P its nothing.

The trait does NOT affect bleed and poison! If anyone runs with the -40% condition duration food then kudos to him, for every person who does there are 5 people who use the +40% duration food.
The runes are a massive trade off, you get 25% less condition duration but lose out on so many awesome rune stats you could have had otherwise.
But God forbid there exists a counter to a p/d thief… Even though they kitten themselves more then you get kitten by their counter.

The trait has no bleed duration reduction, the food goes both ways and using runes to reduce condition duration is a trade off.
Also compare the ele trait with the warrior one, not to mention the fact that eles don’t have a high swiftness uptime if they go for this build, nor do they have a lot of fury.
As with a lot of builds it has it’s ups and downs.

^ This guy has it right.

Funny, when a VoTF guy said in an earlier threat that you’d have to adapt and learn after we came into this match he was basically crucified and ridiculed. Even in this threat, not long ago someone used his post to degenerate a server.
Yet here we are, there are 10’s of posts with people claiming to have improved. People saying that their guilds have become better after fighting many larger and more well-coordinated groups and claiming that they’ve grown on their server as a whole by overcoming this seemingly impossible to beat threat.
Blobbers became the blobbed and vice versa, skilless became the skilled and vice versa.
People are accusing others of things their own server does as well and people generalize an entire server based on these people.

The highlight of today for me at least, was reading someone claiming that RoS prime time was Tier 8 quality at best. You’re talking to a server that won the T8 matchup for weeks on end with no more then two 10~man WvW focussed guilds and a PvX guild that had some activity in WvW.

But let’s not dwell on the past.
I’ve grown to like quite a few players who I’ve had the pleasure of playing with. I still have my prejudice and ill thoughts towards others, not players individually, but groups of people. But perhaps, in time, we’ll all be enjoying each other and have many fun times. Like those duels and GvG’s. Of course people find a way to complain about even that thought…

Means I have to scroll less to get my daily dose of drama.

My definition of having fun is logging off and playing a game that doesn’t cause me to crash every 30 seconds. There is only 1 place I currently do not DC every minute and that’s the southern part of GH BL between briar and lake. But guess what, I have massive skill delay and lag spikes there. I’m off to play Mass Effect, Cya.

drkn.3429:

Guys. I personally crashed four times while taking your keeps. Missed flipping of Hills and Garrison. Same as half the GH team. Most left your BL asap, leaving Sunny, because we couldn’t stand the dcs anymore.
It’s far from being one-sided, and we’re far from being unaffected by it. Man up

At least you were able to get near the keeps…
I’d rather have fun somewhere else then try to leave our spawn for 15 minutes without being able to do so. You can have it if you want to play that way. I’d rather fight people.

We’re going to need some sort of scoreboard for all these GvG’s :<

Apparently people don’t see it as an exploit.
It also doesn’t happen as much as it is on a weapon set not many people play, from an ability that many people consider to be one of the worst in the game.

I don’t agree with it though. Tried it once, felt like cheating, stopped doing it.

I noticed not only the threat but also the matchup as a whole got a lot more enjoyable. I even managed to find some nice 1v1’s.

I guess it was just the weekends.

Shoutout to FURY, playing cat and mouse, leaving spectators be.

Sure thing!

I’ll bring the cheese.

Yea I’m so stoked for prime time! I wonder where all the action is going to be at! ohh, never mind.

Edeor please tell me where you’re active most of the time.
I’ve been solo roaming for at least 10 hours this matchup and I’ve not yet have the pleasure of fighting anyone in a fair situation, with the exeption of some nice duels with PRXM (much love to you guys!) at the windmill.

Donye said it perfectly, i rest my case.

Ohh please… Don’t sell us that crap.

This is how this matchup has been going so far. Bottom screenshot is after reset, top screenshot is 10 minutes ago.

Just like every other GH/Dzagonur matchup so far.

Ohh and to all of you saying that it’s nice and even, no… just no…
We try our best to spread out, be active in every BL at the same time. Not get too many people in the same place to avoid skill lag and get more smaller fights on the way. As a result half of our people have to fight doors while the other half is being crushed by an enormous enemy zerg. How about splitting up some time? No?

Not so much fun for people who don’t like zerg fights though. Been trying to find solo / small fights but no real success so far.

It’s clear that not many people have fought a decent bunker/regen ranger.
Can’t blame you though, there are very few of those.

The standard GC longbow ranger might be a free kill, but there are a few ranger setups that are plainly impossible to kill alone. And I don’t mean pre-nerf bunker ele impossible to kill. I mean truly impossible to solo kill while still doing “quite” decent damage.

Whatever makes them happy

I know, I know…
I’m sometimes very ashamed of what my server mates say or do…

To lighten the mood, here is a very happy party of happy players doing happy things:

Thanks PRXM, MM, SOE, Imp and the rest from GH and PI and the rest from RoF for the fun evening in our BL today. Luckily we only lost 2 towers and some camps but I think I died around 20 times. Was also hoping to see some organised guild on guild action between PRXM and PI at vale early on but no engagements were made, sadly. Was standing right behind your group there to spectate, thanks for not attacking me
I know the fight is still going but that’s all for me. Good night and keep it up!

Can we stop talking about the blobbing…
No on likes it, everyone does it.
The end.

Ok so for the fights today, a lot of small groups and solo plays going on. I really enjoy that since I’m usually a solo roamer or part of a really small group (2-4). Keep it up, but more importantly, have fun!

NaqbiCmR.3086:

itsmee.7536:

NaqbiCmR.3086:

I heard some rumors that RoS think we have an alliance with RoF, that is not true and stop causing drama and QQ like crazy all the time, logic reason is why both servers focus you because you are blue and ofcourse Green doesnt want you to lead in points and red doesnt wanna stay in Last place, its normal for the blue team to get focused by both servers and one more thing we only focused you because we wanted to Fight VcY and RiOT thats all, at the end its all fun and games.

I am the only one in this thread that mentioned RoF and GH focusing us, but I never said anything about an alliance, so where exactly did you hear this “rumor”?

Besides that, not to point fingers or anything, but your logic of a whole server focusing another just to fight 1 guild (because RiOT was in another bl) is kind of weird.

Once again, I’m not pointing fingers or accusing you of anything, its just a coincidence that RoF was outmanned while keeping their entire corner because you were focusing us. So, please don’t say things like “you heard a rumor”, if you have something to say then say it. If you read it somewhere then site it, otherwise you are the one that is spreading a rumor.

You having a bad time in a borderland makes you say this , our server will never go focus on guild hahahah you just made my day tbh , a whole server focusing a guild that guild must be a real threat hahahahaha, We dont care about RoF at all they have no means of beating us the only good guilds in your server are VcY and RiOT and they will eventually beat us and am happy in being second place and fighting those 2 guilds. and FYI i never heard of your guild until you showed up in this forum whining!!!

Are you like 12?
Read what he wrote and stop being hypocritical whining liar.

Sorry for the harsh words but calling out one of the friendliest persons in this game who was not being unreasonable at all or did anything that can even come close to being considered whining just really kitten es me off.

Well, what a smashing reset.
I had some good fights here and there, running with a combined team of FA and ELDa about 6-8 people strong.
Started up in RoF bl to bunker up in the tower and actually make you fight for it. Then going to reinforce our BL, but couldn’t really do anything big there, apart from flipping camps and scouting. Anywhere we stuck around for more then 5 minutes we would get wiped by one of the few zergs running around.
In the end I think we did pretty well as a server, considering the amount of love we got from both servers. Remember it’s our first reset since the new guild joined and so far our cooperation has been splendid! I absolutely love Vcy! The fire brigade thing gave us some manic laughs.
Anyway, here is to hoping this week will be a good, solid and even matchup. Though i think RoF is heavily outmanned. Lets make the best of it.

skwas.9873:

Ray.2640:

TEO can definitely get 20-30 man guild groups going

On a regular night and on reset we run with average 7-10 ppl. On special wvw guild events, we run with 20-25 ppl, but we’ve only done that twice the past 3 months and it does not really work well, since half of those are not WvW’ers. The past 10 days, we’ve had alot of inactives and so I usually ran with 4 or 5 guildmates. The weeks prior to that we topped a ‘healthy’ 12-13 man group. There’s also a few roamers that don’t really run with us and are not on comms and just like to run with the EB zerg (‘organized’ TEO mostly runs borders). So there you go.

Good fun in RoS bl this night :]

Thanks a lot for giving a detailed and comprehensive answer.
Going trough my screenshots again I’ve noticed its usually you guys on the frontline and the red sea of names behind you were not from TEO.

Apologies on my behalf for spreading misinformation.

Ok so within an hour after posting 2 different people made 3 comments about 1 single estimate that was incorrect.

Also Wryog, I’m with them on TS near permanently when I’m on my pc (even out of GW2) and they never had more then 16 people online. But we rarely do guild runs anyway, we invite everyone who wants to join on TS and play as a server, not as a a guild.

Ohh and yes, I’m exclusively talking about the situation before the transfers, there is no argument now that we outnumber you but we’ll leave this tier anyway.

Wryog.5073:

Ray.2640:

mtRXX.8793:

Dat WSR comeback of 20k points difference to 2nd place

You managed to come back from such a dire situation, almost being forced into the pit. All by yourself.

And I find this disrespectful. You do know that not everyone has a ton of free time and some people have busy lives, right? We get jumps like those only when a lot of people manage to clear some time off on a certain day.

How is that disrespectful?
How is this any different from the people in RoS?
Do you think I don’t work 8 hours a day, 6 days a week? All the more stressful coming home and having to spend most of me free time making sure I can play with my friends in the future.

Wryog.5073:

Also WBC having 35 ppl raids? We usually have 35 ppl online, 38 today with the last few joined. The most I’ve seen was around 25 people in WvW from our guild at the same time. Also WAR has a LOT more members than WBC, they’re rarely organised when they’re on though.

I don’t know exact numbers, I just make screenshots when I see a zerg and count the people to help me estimate numbers better for future encounters.
25 at a time is still a lot more then any guild in Surmia can produce.

Wryog.5073:

Yeah, we do WvW events, can’t be every night though(that’s when you actually notice WAR’s numbers). Can’t tell people to stop working/going to school to play GW2.
And about the cooperation, we basically have a few big guilds and each uses a different TS. This kinda sucks for our pug zergs but keeps the TS clean.

Run it during prime time, when people are online, and get those “pugs” or “randoms” on your TS if you want to improve as a server. They’re people too, on your server. Help them and they’ll help you!

Also I think you guys are a bit lazy. No offense here, just an observation. Just look at your situation 3 weeks ago. I’ll give you a quote from herbaliser himself:

mtRXX.8793:

Dat WSR comeback of 20k points difference to 2nd place

You managed to come back from such a dire situation, almost being forced into the pit. All by yourself.
You might not realize it, because you’re not part of us, but if you would know what we’ve been pulling off in Surmia to even stay competitive in this tier you would have a lot more respect for us. We’re literally working our behinds off and giving 110% every single day just to avoid ever falling back into the pit again! We never slacked in WvW, always playing up to a point where some commanders even got a burnout just to secure a spot in the competitive tiers. It has been like this for a very long time. I was pretty much looking at the full map every 10 seconds just to go and scout locations that may or may not be under attack and calling in the zerg to defend in case of an assault, completely ignoring most of the actual active WvW play you see everyone else do just to secure a higher PTT income.
With new and successful WvW guilds coming in maybe we can enjoy the game a bit more now. Relying on other people and sharing the load.
Also I’d like to point out that most of what I said goes for Arborstone as well, except they probably have a different problem then Whiteside Ridge has. A lack of commanders maybe?

So for now, since this match has already ended basically, I wish you all good luck and a lot of fun the next week, and hopefully you can improve and enjoy WvW as a community!

References:
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/pvp/wuvwuv/22-3-RoS-WsR-Bt/
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/pvp/wuvwuv/15-3-EU-T8-RoS-WsR-Bt/
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/pvp/wuvwuv/3-8-ROS-BT-WSR/
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/pvp/wuvwuv/RoS-Arborstone-WSR/

Zeal.1376:

… Too bad you chose for RoS in the end and not us, I ’don’t feel they deserved even more guilds but yea, blame that on spite and jealousy. …

Sorry but I find this really disrespectful.
First of all they’re not some kind of prize or ware that you can deserve, they’re a community. A community who was looking for a new and friendly environment and who found it in Ruins of Surmia. And I hope we will have many good times together and they will stay for longer then the other guilds that have transferred here in the past. Also I’d like to point out you don’t get to decide these things. It’s not your decision to make, so don’t make it.

Zeal.1376:

… even more guilds …

Name 1 guild that was on RoS for the past 3 weeks that can field 20 players. I’ll give you a hint; there are none.
We have Dex and GoA as our main wvw focused guilds. In their prime time they can usually get 6-10 people online, 15-ish in rare occasions. Now look at your server, TEO can definitely get 20-30 man guild groups going, WBC has 25-35 raids usually and WAR has been online with more than 20 many times the past few weeks. So it’s definitely not our guilds being stronger, maybe we have more small guilds that can cooperate better? I highly doubt it, you would have had a lot less points if your communication or cooperation was worse than ours is.
But it’s not just that. I’m pretty sure WSR is a larger server as a whole, meaning you have more PvE people in your potential server pool. Creating imbalances such as our first week here, and I quote:

ikiturso.4026:

When things look good more casual /pve players join in. (WSR is big pve server) but on downside ppl leave wvw when things dont go smooth. With this week numbers we could challenge ROF… Lets see next week what we get.

And what has been feared by ikiturso in that first week became reality shortly after.

I think you could improve a lot by just some small differences in server mentality. We on Surmia are not focused on large guilds to “carry” the WvW experience. We would love to have more of these guilds to make more use out of good communications and tactical play but so far the main reason we have been strong as a server is because we play as one. We don’t treat people differently because they’re in a different guild. Just look at this:

malakas.8294:

Fr guys are mad on us,cause we had em in last tier for a month (what a shame).U mad bros,and u cant be anything else apart from that.Ros,doing nothing than climb cliffs and watching fr zergs vs wsr,sneaky behind em and take non upgraded keeps.Strong tact if u ask me,guess thats why u dont wanna go any higher. Keep on posting those glorious wins u have against random zergs from wsr with tags like,“fear”,“oeg” etc etc. Be proud to own amateur wvw and casual guilds. BUT,when it comes for real battles,Like today in wsr borderlands,where u fr had that many,and u could not do anything else than exchange non upgraded camps with ros,talk to wsr about alliances.3 hours,i did nothing than luring ppl,and kicking u.I admit it,u are no kittens,most of u die at front line like afker’s.

This is just insulting to the people on your server, maybe if you would work together with PvE players and casual WvW players and organize events it would work out much better for your server. The main reason many people think RoS has a lot of people is because we did this exact thing. I was the one complaining about having too few people and one of our commanders just went into LA, the other Borderlands and asking other guilds to come to EB. Forming a massive zerg which we, since the commander is called the Angry Commander, dubbed the “Angry zerg.” We’ve been doing these things more and more until it became a near daily server wide “WvW event.” Because of this eventually people started to be more active in WvW, making us stronger as a whole without having any new guilds or bigger guilds.

How about those raptors that can chain daze you for 10 seconds…

They might add some dynamics to the game in certain scenarios but usually they are just an annoyance.

I read what Zeal wrote and my dog can poop a better response then that.

Just because you fail at defending and keep losing your objectives doesn’t mean you’re the only one being attacked.
Arborstone is in our borderlands constantly with thirty to forty man groups. And while at times they may be able to use the breakout often enough to actually take the front tower they can’t take anything else with the exception of camps from the five-odd people defending the homeland, until they are inevitably kicked out or have to pull back because their garrison is nice and green.

Just because you have the outmanned buff in a borderlands doesn’t mean you have less active WvW players.
By that logic we would have less numbers because this outmanned tag which keeps popping up whenever I enter a zone where our commander isn’t currently leading the main force would totally mean we have fewer people then the other servers, am I right? Well guess what, it does not! In fact, I’ve been having this nice little “die without repair cost” icon on me 80% of the time I enter EB. Stop blaming the numbers and start fighting! We on Ruins of Surmia are all too familiar with being outmanned constantly, even in this matchup. If it’s not for you then Blacktide or Arborstone with their massive zergballs. But it seems like we’re still leading. And we still have a lot to improve on in terms of communication and organisation.

So what are you going to do about that little problem you have? Keep denying it and claiming the other servers have an alliance because you have seen them attacking you at the same time a few times? Whenever we have Stonemist Castle there is the sixty man Arborstone zerg constantly standing at the gate throwing siege down under Arrow Cart, Cannon and mortar fire. Constantly! But I guess you should have found that out already since you’ve had Stonemist for a few hours.
Or are you going to man up and actually organize?

Also I have a question for you. How many active WvW focused guilds do you have and how many members do they have online at most times? Because I know for a fact that you’re a larger PvE server then RoS but can’t seem to get these people into WvW.

One last thing, you can’t say anything about DEX in this matchup. The things they have pulled off with five, maybe ten members is astonishing. You should learn from them rather then insulting them!

I think running the angry zerg almost daily has given people the impression that we somehow have a lot of numbers. Well, we do get a pretty big zerg in one zone when the angry commander starts leading but during most of the day it’s deserted in EB and all the BL’s.
It’s been quite an amusing week though, if only AS would start fighting rather then running all the time… -.- Seriously you have sooo many people and you waste them derping at the SM gate 80% of the time, not even fighting when people jump off the walls, just running away and then coming back to stand there for another 20 minutes.

Eliyahu.1467:

Other people hit it right on the head: D/D cantrip spec just has everything: mobility, tankiness, healing, damage.

You do realize that a full bunker d/d ele has just about the same effective health as a full glass cannon warrior, has no damage whatsoever, gets outhealed by guardians easily and has just about the same mobility as half the other classes. Ether renewal does a great job at removing conditions but really, cantrips as a form off presumably OP condition removal? 90, 75 or 45 seconds cooldown on removing 1 condition? 50 seconds cooldown to cleanse 4 conditions with hardly any secondary effect? And all of this can only be achieved by putting 30 points in water and using 2 trait slots.
Maybe if people started looking at the strengths of their own classes rather then comparing their weaknesses to other classes’s strengths, this game would be a lot more enjoyable.