Guild Wars 2

WvW is currently unlpayable for me. 10+ seconds delay, skill lag, random spikes where the server doesn’t respond, crashes, not being able to log back in. All in all a disaster for wvw just as it was going so well for us.

Has anyone noticed how the last couple of seconds of a fully channeled meteor shower seem to be visual only? I never seem to get any hits off in those last seconds even though there are still enemies visually being hit by the falling meteors.

I was referring to the most common ele build, which focuses on healing and is considered a bunker build with double daggers, hence the d/d bunker healing eles.
In the higher tiers of Zergwars you may find more staff focused eles but other then the usual 0/10/0/30/30 there is no build variety at all. Of course there is always that one individual but you’ll either be too specialized to be useful in other parts of the game or you’ll just be just plain bad.

Look at EU T9:
http://mos.millenium.org/matchups#EU

Look at their threat:
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/pvp/wuvwuv/Guerrilla-Tactica-from-Fissure-of-Woe

What server are you on? Its nice and lag-free in the lower tiers (except on reset nights), makes everything a bit faster-paced.

GuardianOMS.8067:

Seriously though, elementalist offers a multitude of builds, skills, and options for how you want to play. Eles also have a passive speed boast if you’re really into that. They are great healers, can make decent bunkers, good burst damage, and loads of options for AoE.

You mean something else then d/d bunker healing ele exists?

Straegen.2938:

d/d ele has everything pretty much. Condition removal, perm swiftness, best mobility, tons of AoE, lots of defense, stuns, stun breakers, party buffing, etc. Switch to a staff and the class is every bit as good as a longbow ranger and then some at siege.

They can also instakill anything in a 9001 units radius and perma fear every enemy on the battlefield.

Seriously though, ele is probably the better class if you’re going WvW. Rangers can beat eles easilly in 1v1 if they have the build for it but with that you’re not going to be usefull in all the other aspects of WvW. Or they can be really good in the usual WvW gameplay but then they will need to run with a group for maximum efficiency. Ele however can spec d/d for roaming or whatever(obviously) and whip out a staff, change 2 traits around and can still be quite decent in zergs, or go for a staff build to be even more (maybe the best?) effective in zergs but you won’t be able to do anything outside of them. In the end it all depends on your playstyle. As GuardianOMS said, go test them out in the mists for builds, go try to play them a little and it should give you more information on which you want to play.
Also no one is stopping you from playing both.

I think we prefer to take hills, bays and garrisons, we don’t have the amount of people to defend SM and our other objectives at the same time.
Also today again impressive numbers coming out off WSR, I happened to see a 20-30 man BT zerg, all with the outmanned buff. At that time us RoS had next to no one in the zone so you must have been doing something.

Anyway, looking forward to this week and hopefully we’ll have some more people online so we can get a fairer matchup.

Ohh yea and, dat SM Exp!
:)

Caliburn.1845:

Please consider using some of the more esoteric statistics which would be more interesting in many ways. Stuff like Man-hours played per match-up(it would really put the whole numbers game in better perspective).

This, a hundred times this!
Amount of hours players spent in WvW per server. Also give unique player logins in WvW for reference.

I wish ROF the best of luck against millers and dzagonur next week. Dzagonur used the excuse of having lag in green and blue borderlands to only come into the red one, something with an IS kitten ue (i. s. p. i.s.s.u.e wtf anet?) in germany, and seeing you’ll be red next week and there are 2 german servers I hope you prepared enough defenses.

Optifluid.6945:

Sry my mistake….not UW and Eternal have the lags.
For most players, UW and our BL (dzago) have terrible lags, it’s issues with one of the biggest providers in germany. Thats why we went RoS … so all guildies could join the raid. We are not playin on points anyway…

I’ll make the suggestion to non stop visit RoS though, just as a response to the whining of those forum warriors

Keep them coming, I’ve been having fun wiping your people 1v3 & 1v4 and kiting 10+ people around constantly, pulling them into UW or RoS zergs.

Don’t worry about RoS, we’ve fought our way out of T9 more then once with not more then 2-3 small WvW focussed guilds.
Being the smallest server in a matchup gives all the better feelings when you conquer something, as you may have noticed in last week’s matchup threat.
Now if more guilds or players start leaving and create a snowball effect that might be problematic.

Sceinna.3561:

I know it’s ironie, just saying ele is way too OP compared to other classes so what you do in your videos is nothing special at all, you’re just roflstomping noobs with an OP class, I only watch them for the intro which is entertaining really.

Guardian is only “OP” by survivability, but ele literally has everything.. crazy heals, getaways, mobility, dps..

I’d like some of the stuff you’re smoking.

Every time I switch to air and try to RTL there is this giant number 4 haunting me…
kitten’s serious bro… RIP eles.

Metamega.9025:

Am I going to be happy with my choice at level 80 with dungeons and an elementist? Can i dabble with PvP and WvW with it?

Short answer: Yes!

Elementalists may lack some things which other classes can do better, but they excel in one thing, maybe the most important of all.
They are fun to play.

They are by no means bad in solo PvE, they might die fast (even faster then thieves) if you build full glass cannon but they do have more healing possibilities to make up for it a bit. Their damage might be quite low but it’s mostly AoE, perfect for dungeons.

I’d say go level one and see if by level 15-30 you’re satisfied. If not then maybe try out yet another class. Warrior is definitely better then eles in most situations but are also incredibly boring to play.

Depends on what build he’s going. If he’s condition / confusion stack then you better find some good excuses to not show up.
If he’s some shatter / power build then just make sure you avoid the shatters, when the clones all run towards you.
If he’s a phantasm build just kill the phantasms.
If he’s tanky / retaliation or whatever build you can slowly drain his life and win by attrition.

I think it’s the fact that a breakout event can be activated even when the tower is currently in your control.
I thought the breakout event was to capture towers after losing a lot of bases or not having any to begin with, right now it can be used even if you already have the entire map. That’s quite lame in my opinion as well, and should definitely be changed.

Also I’ve had quite a lot of good fights this week so far. I mostly run with 2 people or alone, but I noticed that FR and AS never walk alone or as really small groups, even when capping supply camps (back). I’ve done more 1v5+ fights this match up then I’ve done in the last couple months.

Guys, keep it friendly please.
I know I’m annoying and hard to kill but when you finally gathered enough people to actually take me down, you don’t have to organize a dance party on my corpse.
Especially when you couldn’t do anything on your own, it’s just plain stupid to spam the /laugh emote after a small zerg takes someone down.

Get any random combination of trait points.
Any random combination of gear.

Use Dragons Tooth -> Ring of Fire -> Phoenix -> switch to earth attunement -> (Dodge roll if you have evasive arcana) Earthquake -> Arcane Wave somewhere in between -> Churning Earth (will still give you the might if the ring disappears during the channel so don’t worry). Repeat as many times as possible with as many ready blast finishers as possible.

Enjoy 25 stacks of might for the entire party near permanently(if they’re close enough, range seems to be 600-900)

Thank you as well for the event, had a lot of fun. Great fights all around.

Krosan.2890:

And Ray please stop making up random facts as Rof hasn’t had a 60 man zerg since 2 weeks into the game’s launch.

Allow me to refresh your memory.

Reset night, about 2-3 hours in, RoF borderlands. We had your garrison and you just took back cliffside. You were running towards garrison and since you didn’t really have any other map I take it you had your full server’s force there. There were literally 50-60 RoF players on the path between garrison and cliffside, and XT stacked up and mowed trough. It was truly a sight to behold.

I don’t think anyone on this server would even want to go for T1, save for the week after this reset though, that’s just funny
We don’t have a nighttime presence and contrary to popular believe we do not have the numbers to compete on the higher tiers. We can probably settle just fine in a mid tier, after everything stabilizes.

Shakki.3219:

So what? XT got massive numbers but no strategy at all. I can’t wait to seem them get slaughtered beginning in T1 going all the way back down to the tier they are atm

You’re forgetting they’re one of the guilds that brought blacktide to T1 before transferring to RoS.
Also I’ve seen their group of 25-30 just mowing trough a RoF zerg atleast 2 times as big as theirs, jumping off the garrison walls and pushing all the way to cliffside slaughtering every RoF that was between them and cliffside.

On the match, well I’m sticking to what I said last week, we’re always strong at reset and we’re definitely outnumbering the other servers for the moment but keep fighting and we’ll see how this week goes.

xilius.7890:

Thanks to the RoS guys for the fun dueling and the nice chat

Thank you as well.
And this Asura has to be one of the cutest ones ever!

Dee Jay.2460:

Elementalist,

kill everything in sight (even if it takes a while) and if you get outnumbered…..just make an escape.

Thieves are annoying, true but not nearly as stupidly overpowered as Elementalists currently.

Biased.
If the ele can kill you, it means he deals damage. If he deals damage, it means he’s not full bunker. If he’s not full bunker, you can kill him.
If you can’t kill the ele, it means he’s full bunker. If he’s full bunker, it means he can’t deal damage. If he can’t deal damage, he can’t kill you.

It’t not actually true. You can always kill eles, you just need to know when to put pressure and when to kite them. I rolled an alt specifically to fight against eles in WvW to learn the counters and then use this to be better on my ele. More people should try using their head rather then QQing on the forums.

I do however advice you to play elementalist anyway, because it’s simply the most enjoyable profession in the game (opinion).

Good combo’s are 1 tanky, 1 dps class. Or 1 control, 1 burst class. Or 2 mesmers with the same clothes and same dye. Speaks for itself. I think in the end it boils down to whatever you like the most. Playing a class you enjoy will make you perform better at it anyway.

Weird, from my experience the number of guardians, warriors and rangers is slightly above the rest while the amount of engineers and necros are a bit less. But not to the point that it’s actually a problem. In fact, with the exception of engineer I think the class representations are actually close enough together to call it balanced. Also the few engineers that run around are the hardest to beat, so maybe the class is just too hard for most people.

Was an enjoyable night, leveled my thief to 80 and went full glass cannon to see the numbers. Insane damage but way too squishy, such a contrast with my elem.
Mostly done defending since we’re being pushed on every side.

Ohh and we got outmanned buff on 2 BL + EB at the same time, guess people finally got tired and went to bed

Lets not nitpick over every little bug the enemy abuses, I’ve seen it happen as well but its just something that many people do, on all servers. Besides posting it here won’t change anything. Report them and carry on.

Yes, your AoE is really strong and you can destroy groups of people standing in it. IF, however, you take damage you need to get away as soon as possible. You have the options to heal yourself back up but you can’t heal up if you’re dead. Stand at 1200 range and nuke’em!

Something like this: http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fEAQFAWhImmbkR2gjDAUGoYikhFQUUMzOA;TkAg0CnowxgjAHLOOck4MEB would be the best idea with GC gear.

copy past it, clicking doesn’t work.

Gear should be power/pres/crit dmg, and staff is basically the only viable option since daggers are melee range (=instant death) and scepter doesn’t work very well either.

About the damage; You’ll have quite alot of AoE damage, but you shouldn’t expect to kill anyone 1v1. You will literally die from 1 auto attack chain from most classes.

Yea, the blue maffia doesn’t kitten around!

Sadly we got overrun, but that’s only because of lag!
Having fun so far, keep it up RoF and UW!

It should be blocked by solid objects same as any other ability.
I think the problem arises when you cast it without target, as it will then land straight in front of the caster at max range, if this is out of LoS it will still go there.
All in all it should be quite an easy fix for them.

And once again you jump to conclusions, just as you did in every other RoS thread.
We had less then a 3th of the people RoF and GH had last time we were in Tier 8, and with the 10 guilds who transferred to us, and a couple leaving, we should only outnumber you by a small margin. Since we have to spread out across Underworld (who has alot of players on itself) and RoF, I’d say its pretty even.
Maybe if you wouldn’t give up so easilly once you see your enemy has got reinforcements you would actually get on top of things.

Anyway, nice fights so far, I’ve seen our BL being flipped all colors of the rainbow but I’ve been too busy fighting in EB to go there myself.
Had a good time in SM flanking RoF as they were breaching inner gate after UW took it from us, and then flanking UW at the lord room.
I’d say for now we hold the number advantage but UW is really coming out strong and it seems RoF is doing a good job in holding their ground aswell.

Xavi.6591:

Pirate Peg Legs in WvW > All

/thread

Quaggan Tonic + Peg Legs = #1 grieving material!

Played well over a dozen RPG’s and MMO’s and in every single one I ended up liking the wizard or mage-like class the best, specially when it involved shooting balls of fire and breathing flames.
I was not disappointing, rather, I love playing elementalist so much that all other classes I’ve tried playing feel stale, slow and boring.

There are 2 kinds of people;
People who stick with their server trough better and worse, and people who leave once it doesn’t go as they want it, whether that be stomping or getting stomped.
I’ve been on Surmia for a long time. Problem was, specially the last few months, we never fitted in. We’d either win easily in T9 or lose badly in T8, there is just too big a gap there.
I’ve hoped for a long time we’d just get some transfers in so we could stay in T8 because honestly, those matchups are awesome. But it never happened, infact, more and more people were leaving.
Then Xaoc moved to vabbi and all seemed lost, we’d lose too many points and would never tier up again. Until we got an alliance transferred as well! And managed to fight back!
So yes, these tiers are now unbalanced, but they’ll balance themselves out in time.
I’ll keep fighting for Surmia no matter who comes or goes in our server!

Magus.6543:

Several days ago, Gunnar’s Hold community was approached by the [Xaoc] alliance with a request to move to Gunnar’s Hold EU.

During some hours of constructive talking in our voice communication, we have had a chance to ensure Gunnar’s Hold core gaming values will remain the highest and most important. Thanks to [Xaoc] for the friendly way to approach us, and for answering the questions we have had to you.

- Insky

Seems like this was handled way better then just jumping into the lowest tier and then posting screenshots of +600 scores on the forum, good on you guys for improving!
I hope you’ll have fun and maybe we can tier up before gunnars leave that tier so we can fight again, need more russian blood on my daggers >:)

1 gap closer, just 1, would have been enough to kill these people.
As soon as only 1 person gets in melee range they either die from his damage or stop the AoE to take that person down, allowing the ranged group to decimate them in the process.
I always just dives trough the lines of enemies and try to get as many people to focus me as possible and then dashing out or using CC / survivibility skills so that the rest of my group can just take down the enemies while half of them are distracted. It never fails, the lines are broken and you can all fight toe to toe, no more ranged poking and putting down AoE spells as far away as possible.

Yea rangers need some quality of life adjustments, they do alot of damage if left alone but are usually just a free kill.

TheGuy.3568:

Cantrips-

for those who don’t know here’s the link (http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Cantrip). Now for many this is the bread and butter of ele survival. There isn’t much you can do to counter cantrips and honestly you goal should be to get the ele to use them. Why? So they have one less tool on the table. Cantrips by nature have long cool downs. The decision to use one indicates that the ele is being pressured into it.

This is always something that bothered me.
You see 90% of the eles running around with tripple cantrips, because they break stun.
While other classes hardly ever use more then 1 stunbreaker. Why is an ele forced into taking 3 with him?
Is it because he will die if he doesn’t use them? Why aren’t other classes using 3 stunbreakers then?
Is it because there are hardly any other good utilities? That’s definitely not true, arcane skills are great for added burst and signets can be used with a good trait setup.
Is it because these spells are just too powerful to ignore? Well I doubt that’s the case, its a generic teleport skill, a short invulnerability skill that also blocks actions from the user and 2 generic stunbreakers off which one cures 3 conditions and does a bit of damage and the other gives stability and protection which isn’t uncommon either.

I take 3 cantrips with me so I can survive a knockdown or stun. Without it, or when popping it too late, I can and will die in seconds even with my full toughness build.

Aodh.6418:

Ray.2640:

I urge you all to either play a thief or practice against them with a friend or something.
Its actually quite easy to beat a d/d thief but you do need to know how to counter them.
If a warrior hits his fury+100b combo something will die. People learned to dodge it, avoid being bursted, and now look who’s still qqing about them; bad players only.
Same will happen with d/d thief, and maybe even with eles once (if) they fix d/d.

Just for fun.

You’re absolutely right, the only problem with thieves is already written in my original post; Culling. Without it thieves are actually pretty easy to beat, unless you’re underleveled or full glass cannon and you don’t pay attention or didn’t bring any defensive abilities.
Which is another concern, d/d eles need to bring 3 stunbreakers because if they get held in place for more then 2 seconds they’re (even with full tanky gear/ traits) dead meat. And people QQ abou this even!!! Saying that having 3 stun breakers is OP… well guess what, EVERY profession has 3 -4 stunbreakers, just the fact that YOU are not FORCED to equip all 3 of them doesn’t mean that you can’t.

I urge you all to either play an ele or practice against them with a friend or something.
Its actually quite easy to beat a d/d ele but you do need to know how to counter them.
If a warrior hits his fury+100b combo something will die. People learned to dodge it, avoid being bursted, and now look who’s still qqing about them; bad players only.
Same will happen with d/d ele, and maybe even with thiefs once (if) they fix culling.

TyPin.9860:

Ivano.2604:

FoW will have its moment of Glory (an hard earned one)

And it will be magnificent!

I felt exactly the same when RoS moved up in tiers after fighting so hard for so long, we got kicked back instantly.
We were used to fighting outnumbered and I often wished we had some guild moving in to help us, now it has happened and it doesn’t feel glorious at all.
Not yet atleast, not against FoW. Maybe it does feel right to kick that Vabbi alliance back to blacktide but currently, in this machup, ballance is hard to find.

I hope you will achieve what you want, I hope this tier will stabilize. I hope you’ll find an enemy with the same numbers to have some good fights and fair competition.
Never give up.

It seems I’m not allowed to give my oppinion on some players, so I’ll respond again without “bypassing” the mature language filter…

I, being a long term RoS player, feel really sorry for FoW at this moment.
Both Surmia and Vabbi have had transfers, and this entire bottom tier is now screwed up because of it.
If it makes you feel better, I and many others have not touched any FoW players or went into their BL since the reset because it just doesn’t feel right. It might feel like Vabbi and RoS are working together because right now, both RoS and Vabbi have so many players that it’s easy to spare a few into FoW BL to cap stuff there, while still fighting eachother in pretty much every place possible. But it’s not like that, I’ve been playing in EB, RoS BL and Vabbi BL exclusively and there are so many fights over there is almost unrealistic. Small scale fights still happen but the sheer size of both server’s zergs is frightening.
I personally haven’t seen any Xaoc members on RoS except for a few spies who show up at an objective right before the Vabbi Xaoc zerg comes in. Come to think of it… That might be because I haven’t been to FoW BL yet and there is indeed a Xaoc guild on RoS only focussing on you because they’re allied with the Xaoc on Vabbi, if this is the case then I’m truly sorry, these guys are massive kittens.
The real problem is, right now RoS are pushing Vabbi and during the night, when we lack numbers the xaoc zergs take over nearly everything again. If this keeps going it will take a long time for either server to move up. There are 2 topics in this forum about the recruitment to either server, go there and show them they’re not welcome in the way they are doing it right now. I’m not one to reject incoming transfers and would love to have some more WvW focussed people on my server but these numbers are getting out of hand.
Sincerely, a RoS player who likes fair competition more then numbers based score board points.

Demannu.2805:

Vabbi Alliance recruiting +695 income!

What happened? Your 500 russian friends had too much vodka?

Shakki.3219:

Tbh i think it’s a great idea. I’m not playing on any of the low Tier Server but i think it is a great Idea for bigger alliance’s to join them and make the Server more popular to people who are maybe annoyed of their own Server, so lower populated Server get’s more attractive to all kind of players again.

The problem is that nearly everyone in the lower tiers are here because of the low population in the first place. We don’t like Zerg v Zerg or PvDoor. The smaller fights are way more enjoyable then the big ones. Besides, if you’re with 50 people in a borderlands what does your personal skill do? If you’re fighting 5v5 you can really make a difference. I prefer to walk with a group of 2-3 people and still be considered a threat.

At the same moment, if people switch to lower tier servers it’s going to disrupt the balance in both this tier and the one where they left from, because their old server will drop down now.
This bullkitten needs to stop, settle in a server and fight for what you’re worth rather then switching to a tier without opposition.

Another alliance switching to RoS at the same time may have caused some good fights between RoS and Vabbi but this is not low tier anymore, this is stupid zerg v zerg with a 3rd server standing at the sidelines. No one that I know on these servers wanted this, maybe a few people switching for better WvW results or maybe even a couple of guilds so we could compete in Tier 8 more, but 2 enormous alliances? This entire situation is kittened up.

Dual back it up with statistics yo!

10k health < 20k health, give equality!

No but really, that topic is stupid, we should all turn into grey puddles with only 1 skill which is a generic attack move that always deals the same amount of damage. There you have perfect balance!

Demannu.2805:

Thanks for your valuable opinion it does matter to us. However within last days we received many cheers from Vabbi players. As for balance, there is no balance in that tier at the moment since ex-BT guilds came to Surmia. As for FoW the only thing they were obviously good at capping at night before we arrived

We will be happy if our enemies, friends will join us on Vabbi since that is the only way to be competitive in higher tiers is to have more active WvW players on.

Have a nice evening

Cheers

Demannu

You’re full of kitten and you (should) know it.

Look at what you just said and then take a good long look at where this topic is going.
You seriously have the nerves to call out FoW while they have been struggling to get a stable WvW community for weeks and now this entire tier got ruined because of you.

Really…. Are you serious?

You bring more people to this matchup then there are playing here in total. People who play hard because of the low numbers on these servers, and invest more time and money into WvW because of the lack of people to spread it. And you completely destroy the matchup, and the fun for these players because there is no way that any of this bullkitten is considered an “even” matchup or any fighting going on is actually enjoyable because of the number difference.

Worst thing yet, you go to a server with barely 500 points, meaning you will stay in this matchup for atleast another month. What will happen in these weeks? You think its funny to play 20:1? What do you achieve afterwards? Your old server will drop down and vabbi will get up in tiers slowly because of how the rating works. Stomping everything in it’s way, not because you’re good but just because you have so many more numbers then the other servers in these low brackets…

Not just that, reports of hacks and cheats have increased more then tenfold since you transferred.

I do not wish you good luck and I don’t wish you a good day either.
Coming from a person on a server who will now be 200 points behind the next server because of the bullkitten you pulled.

Ok, so 2 weeks ago we go up a bracket after fighting hard for it for a long time.
We get crushed by a server with so many transferred people they’re now 3 tiers higher and still gaining points. Not just that, they also had the infamous german luftwaffe at their side.
Now after 2 weeks we go down to tier 9 again and right as this happens a dozen russian guilds decide to transfer back to vabbi from blacktide and take their flying mesmer squads with them…

My record is 92%.
Had my standard WvW gear + staff, it has 1900 toughness, 650 healing and 18k hp, was playing with a guardian from the start so we did some bubble + healing combo’s.
I’ve made it to 90% one more time but most of the time I go to around 70%.
Should also say I did die and used vapor form to jump on the ledge to res myself one time.