Guild Wars 2

@Nicomachiavelli – You haven’t played alot of other classes have you?

I used to think as you do, always knew the elementalist was in abit of trouble, not much, but we still had some competent damage, and if we start playing the keyboard like a grand piano, we do alright.

Then, purely out of curiosity I rolled a warrior and a mesmer. (played both PvE and PvP with them)
And now I know the elementalist is in fact very near the term “Useless”.

Why do a few people keep bringing up TSW?

That game was just bad… not just bad, it was quite awful.

We just got trolled

They should have linked Rick Astley to the elementalist patch notes section

I don’t use Twitter, never even visited Reddit and I’d rather urinate broken glass than creating an account on Facebook.

And yes, it is quite annoying all these game companies are using the above to pass on information, especially if said information is never reported on the main website.

Duckzor.4327:

Tank ele’s make me want to bang my head against a wall. It’s just…pointless youcan’tkillmeicantkillyou lololol youarenevercapturingthispoint. What’s the point in having that type of build be available.

At the moment it’s the ONLY build that resembles anything close to “okay” for the ele.

Try one yourself and you’ll see what I’m talking about.

And you are correct, there’s no point.

dimgl.4786:

Sharpe.1485:

The entitlement in this thread is beyond comprehension… This truly is the “kitten” generation hehe

“FIX IT NOW or I will leave the game and you and your game will be in ruins!! lol”
It’s quite unbelievable.

Other games have made gamers feel entitled. Most Guild Wars fans have waited since 2007 for this game to come out. A few months wait to receive new, exciting patches is not much in comparison.

Oh don’t get me wrong, it’s quite healthy to whine about a game, hell I’ve been doing enough of it down on the elementalists forum… and kitten do I agree the DR is somewhat harsh atm by what people are saying…

It’s just the completely pathetic way that alot of people in this thread are complaining about it that is giving me enough lulz to be here and troll.

It’s just completely unbelievable.

Yep, happened to me alot while leveling up Some areas are absolutely amazing.

Warriors in 7th? Below elementalists??

Whatever you’re smoking, I’ll take two.

Well played daphoenix I enjoyed watching it.

Completely agree with ya, and I’ve had the same feeling while playing a few other classes.

Elementalist is still my love though.

Soulwatcher.2604:

Sharpe.1485:

I’ve got 2 lvl 80’s – 300+ hours in, 1400ish achievements, and nearly every path complete on explorables… and I have not noticed any DR on loot at ALL.
In fact, if I hadn’t browsed this forum just now, I wouldn’t even know it existed at all.

This just seems to me that people who aren’t getting “lucky” on their farming drops have found a scapegoat.

And just how much gold are you making? Before DR I could make 7 gold in 4 hours running events. Now running the same events for twice the time gets me 3 gold. So year DR is effecting me.

If you have some miracle system PM it to me and I will give you 20% profit of what I make for a week!

I don’t make much gold at all, in fact I struggle to get by and be able to afford all the things that I want to afford, but it’s simply a long term goal.

I don’t really do events on repeat mode to farm gold, I just do a few events in Orr, farm a few mats, go do some explorables (different paths each time), you know, have a laugh with the folks in my guild.

I’ve even tried my hand at playing the TP, but even on the “great” deals, the profits are minimal.

Yet, if I need mats I can go farm them, if I need gold… I’ll just save what I can until I get there.

I’ve got 2 lvl 80’s – 300+ hours in, 1400ish achievements, and nearly every path complete on explorables… and I have not noticed any DR on loot at ALL.
In fact, if I hadn’t browsed this forum just now, I wouldn’t even know it existed at all.

This just seems to me that people who aren’t getting “lucky” on their farming drops have found a scapegoat.

More damage… that’s it.

Hi, could someone have a look at 120924-000091?

Something must have fallen through the cracks, since it’s been 5 days tonight and it’s quite a simple issue.

Appreciate it

I’m usually one of the first in these forums to jump on the “Elementalists need love” bandwagon, but I really can’t fault Anet on anything so far regarding patches.

They really are keeping them coming steady and addressing the important points.

Just be patient guys, I’m certain they are aware they over-nerfed us in the last BWE.

I have to say, I understand this whole safety feature of not allowing more purchases after a certain ammount, but only if customer support wouldn’t take so long to again “re-authorize” the user to make a purchase.

As it is now, there are alot of people wanting to put money into this game, but unable to due to the time it takes the support to solve each individual request.

It is becoming somewhat annoying.

3 days now – and waiting.

What’s with all the hate towards the guy?

It’s a simple challenge, take it as fun.
Do it if you want, don’t do it if you don’t… You people… honestly.
There really doesnt need to be any replies other than a screenshot to refute his claims.

I personally don’t think I’ve achieved that score with my ele yet, I’ve made top player in quite alot of games, but never that high.

So no screenshot from me OP

Nice work Anlyon. /respect

Very sarcastic, yes

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Have you read this thread?

Are you really trying to bring reason and logic into this?

We’re all bad at playing elementalist because we’re WoW Kiddies! There’s no argument against that sort of factual evidence.

It’s just a visual bug

When you wear them in PvE they still produce the desired effect.

Card not approved… would like to complete a transaction if at all possible.

120924-000091

Nick Danger.9821:

This is the fallacious argument Hyperbole.

Going from “Not everybody can play ele” to “…only playable by the elitist minority…” is twisting what Arheundel said to a ridiculous extreme to make your argument. That forfeits credibility and cedes the argument.

It’s fine to argue against what he says. It’s not fine to argue against what he doesn’t say.

And the Ad Hominem attack (the ‘so full of yourself’ bit) is uncalled for.

You’re right, I did go a little overboard and I apologize.

It’s just disheartening to come on these forums day in and day out, trying to reach a concensus and discuss in a civil manner what exactly is wrong with the class, how it could be improved, bug fixes etc, when there’s always 1 or 2 guys coming in the thread, calling everyone “noobs” that the elementalist is just absolutely fine as it is, and everyone else are just “baddies” who would do better than to just reroll warrior and spam HB or thief for 2,2,2,2,2.

Either way, in short – my argument with the OP is related to “If not everyone can play elementalist, then the class is unbalanced” – Cuz everyone should be able to make one, and play it confortably – mastering it however – should be something for the extremely good players and dedicated to contend with.

And right now that doesnt happen. Take sPvP for instance – any average joe that goes into PvP with an ele, without much thought into stats, traits, just gets completely obliterated in 2 or 3 seconds.

Amnon.4769:

They can play a Warrior, then. What in the name of all that is good is wrong with some “elitist” players liking a CHALLENGE in a game once in a while?!

Absolutely nothing – which is why all classes should be hard to master.
Only the truly “elitist” players who enjoy the challenge should aspire to reach the skill ceiling.
And they would be much better at any of the giving classes than the rest of the common mortals.

Amnon.4769:

There are 6 professions in this game which are faceroll-ably easy, and 2 which are difficult to play. Let us have our challenge if we want it, stop trying to take it away from us just because you want to play Elementalist so darn much because of whatever stigmas you have attached to it!

This is what you people fail to understand, there is NOTHING to take away from you – once classes are balanced, it is purely your skill against other players skill – that is what balance is!
Wanting a whole class to remain underpowered just so you can “rofl I’m playing this POS and can still beat you!” is not a reasonable argument to alienate every person that enjoys the elementalist playstyle.

Edit for clarification – Do not get me wrong, I love the elementalist, I can be very successful with it in sPvP/tPvP once I went the usual cookie cutter 30earth/water+arc.
I can PvE just fine, I can run instances just as well as anyone else and be a valuable and contributing member of my group.
This however does not mean that the elementalist isn’t in dire need of a revision.
Anyone that thinks it over, compares it to other classes and evaluates trait and skill synergy with an objective view will see it.

So much typing and you’ve already shot your argument to pieces in the first sentence.

“Not everybody can play ele” Now.. if you weren’t so full of yourself, you’d realize that this is an MMO, people of all skill levels will play it, casuals, hardcores, etc.. and when a class can only be playable by the elitist minority, while other classes don’t require that sort of “dedication” – something is wrong with it.

This is basically what people like you have been saying for a while now…
“You need to be good to play elementalist”
“You need skillz”
“Baddies can’t play ele!”
etcetcetc – it’s the same BS over and over

That should have been your first clue.

In order for it to be balanced the elementalist would have to be easy to play, and hard to master – same as every other class should be.

“Are you telling me that people roll ele into the mists, practice for 4 weeks, then give their valid input? NO.
Anet designed ele to be one of the hardest classes to play, and the hardest to master.”

People don’t roll ele into mists at all because they know it’s UP – you only need to take a small stroll into the sPvP forum to see other classes laughing it up.

Before our nerf, in the BWE’s you did see people rolling into the mists with an ele.
It wasn’t exactly facerolling back then, but life was MUCH, much easier. Right now, we’re just broken compared to then

Anet isn’t stupid – they wouldn’t design a whole class that only small minority of people would be able to play effectively – specially when the demographic this MMO is going for is “the general public” with its ease and streamlining of most features.

Hard to master? I’d say they all should be. Until then, it’s unbalanced.

Turbo Whale.1738:

Ele is supposed to be one of the hardest classes to play, and people are going into the class expecting faceroll.

Where did you get this information?
I would really like to know.

Getting rid of attunements seems like an extremely radical step that Anet would not be willing to take – and I don’t see it as needed either…

All we really need is our damage increased across all attunements (especially Air), and increased in such a way that it takes into account how easy/hard it is to actually hit.
I mean you can WALK out of flame tooth – you dont have to dodge, or run, you can just walk. then after 3 seconds it falls down and does 2k if it doesnt crit.

Comparing that to other classes skills that simply push a button, and it instantly connects without needing to consider ANYTHING else and can do 5 times that damage, it’s clear what we need.

Traits should be reworked too so you don’t WASTE a 30 point trait line when you’re attunned to another element.
Or if they insist on making traits active only for that specific element, at least make them worthwhile…

There’s no “reliable” way to deal with them. As far as I know, it widely depends on how good they are.

Basically yes, use all the knockdowns you can, all the fights I win with thieves are the ones which I was able to break out of the initial burst, either by knockback (earthquake, I usually roam in earth) or mistform, using signet of earth to get them to stay where I need them to (I’m S/D) and unloading fire – then as soon as they pop out of stealth, ride the lightning, updraft and try to finish. (or updraft first if they didnt run away and tried to open again)

It’s all very subjective, every fight is different from the last, but yes, use them CC’s as much as you can – if you give them more than 3 or 4 seconds of burst time on you, you’re dead :/

Prism.5649:

I agree with the posters above me. While Elementalists absolutely, without a doubt need some serious love, I call either ignorance or trolling from the OP. There is no way an equally geared player hit for that much damage right off the bat. Either the OP was a fresh 80 with crap gear, was lower level than the Thief, or there were other third party forces in action (such as orbs).

While its fun to rag on the profession you play and it makes you feel more comfortable (i.e. “It’s not my fault I died, I’m an amazing player! It was all because the profession I play is horrible!!!1”) the fact of the matter is Elementalists can be serious contenders in the right hands. Like I said before we absolutely need some serious attention and we are definitely one of the lower tier professions right now, but the fact still remains that we are not solely restricted by the limitations of our class. Making fun of Eles is fun and all, and I do it myself in guild chat all the time, but try not to blow things out of proportion here guys.

While I agree that an ele if well played can be at least on par with many other classes, I think, in this thread, we are mostly making fun of the forum trolls that come around once in a while and tell us that the elementalist is just fine, maybe a little OP even.

Oh and tbh – the only truly competitive ele spec atm is full tank with some minor variations on that theme, so it’s quite far from balanced.

It’s fine! You’re just “a baddie!”

When played with madskillz, ele is the most OP class in the game.

Now seriously, it’s akittenshame we are literally forced to spec FULL tank just to survive these one hit wonders.

Increase in damage output across the board – all weapons, all skills.

Make Air attunement a single target high damage version of itself – as advertised.

Change our traits to something that benefits all attunements.

I wouldn’t change the casting times, as I like the challenge of hitting people with flametooth and the likes, it requires some planning, some CC, while at the same time dodging their damage, the problem is, when it does hit… all the work you really put into it does not pay off.
Low damage is our biggest problem imo. EVEN when fully zerker and fully specced for glass cannon.
And most of the time, the elementalist can only focus on one thing at a time, applying CC’s, survival or doing damage – not all at the same time.

My warrior when specced for it, is a better ranged DPS class than my elementalist, and it can apply vunerability(brutal shot), bleeds (autoattack), cripple(Aimed shot) and knockback(Riflebutt) (all in 4 skills) WHILE doing damage, not, applying those without damage like the elementalist and THEN start doing damage, and having access to sustained pressure damage (volley) and burst damage (Killshot) as needed.
And most of these are low CD skills (the highest of which being 15 secs untraited) – which is funny when you think of the often 45sec CD’s on the ele which do the same thing, only without damage attached to it.

For example
Elementalist (Unsteady Ground 2.45 seconds cripple – 30 sec cooldown) No damage to speak of in PvP
Warrior (Aimed Shot 5.45 seconds cripple – 10 seconds cooldown) Often hits for 300 – 500 non crit. Depending on Might stacks

This is just an example, and not even the most glaring ones.

I’m using Rage – it’s pretty decent as a DPS booster and making those spells with cast times almost instant.

Specially if you went with high precision instead of +condition

For regular PvE farming?

Opening with Phoenix and Flame Tooth so they both land at the same time – followed by ring of fire and arcane blast + a dodge or two (for two / three blast finishers and 6 / 9 might stacks) and Firegrab to finish – that usually kills a regular mob.

If not, switch to Air, blind, 1 and 2 with an updraft at the end to repeat the fire sequence.

If there’s multiple mobs the sequence is the same except more work trying to get the mobs close together for Flame tooth and phoenix to hit, and usually an earthquake followed by a blind and churning earth.

Guys… come on, I’m pretty sure the OP is being sarcastic.

Elementalists… high ammounts of damage, and sustain 3 guys at the same time?

lol

Even with that staff, I’m sure some of the forum elementalists we have here could solo 3 champions and win every time 1vs3.

Just wait for it.

I think we’re all (most of us anyway) asking ourselves the same question Angel

Dominia.5179:

@ Sharpe.1485

What is the causal link between

people don’t play this class <====> this class in UP

Hint: there is none.

I’m not saying you’re wrong but your argument is totally off base and no action will probably be taken because of it.

Based on your argument, it just sounds like you’d enjoy other classes more than Elementalist.

No, not really – there’s a direct correlation between how many people play a class in a certain aspect of the game and how balanced (or OP or UP) that class is.

You go into sPvP right now and what do you see? The -vast- majority of players are on thieves, warriors and mesmers, with the odd guardian thrown in.
Those are the classes most people consider OP – thus it’s mostly all you see.

You will be lucky if you see 1 or 2 elementalists in a 10 game span. It is by far, the least represented class in sPvP / tPvP – and there is a reason for that.
Especially considering that according to Anet’s own chart, elementalist was the third most rolled class – now, go to a city, any city, and tell me if you see as many elementalists as you see warriors, rangers and guardians.
I’m pretty sure you won’t.

I really like the elementalist playstyle, and I’ve been sticking to it, trying different builds, different stats combinations, different weapons, different skills, but even if some are more effective than others, overall, the class is still far worse than the levels of effectiveness of other classes – namely in the damage and staying power department, of which we have neither. Regardless of how we trait or gear.

Can I actually accomplish things with my ele? Ofcourse, I can farm Orr easily, I can kill bronzes with relative ease, in PvP I struggle alot even though I am determined to make it work, but it’s just clear that we, elementalists, are far, far down the food chain in this current state.

My personal opinion – if you don’t enjoy kiting, do not play elementalist.

The class is fairly broken at the moment compared to most others – too low damage to make up for the squishy factor.

Knowing what I know now, I’d probably have gone either necro or mesmer at release – but alas I just like the whole elementalist vibe too much to switch now.

So if you don’t have that innate love for the elementalist, you won’t like it in the long run.

My 2 cents.

This debate about elementalist being UP, OP or balanced is really getting annoying.

It’s simple, go, right now, right this moment, in sPvP and tPvP – join 10 games (you don’t even need to stay and fight) count how many elementalists you see.

After you do that, stop coming on the forums posting garbage like “elementalist is actually quite good and balanced”

This post is aimed at noone in particular – it’s just getting real tiresome having these “forum ego trip” folks who have absolutely no idea what class balance is.

The class is broken – not just slightly broken – even other classes casually say the same.
So, please, just stop already!

Just in case people continue to be too stupid to understand : Individual skill has absolutely no bearing on class balance! Read that sentence again please.
It’s how the class fares against others, at the most basic level… raw numbers vs numbers.

lol how pathetic…

You just won the interwebz!

Can we see a video of you dominating in sPvP? With the clock turned on please, to avoid cherry picking?

Not a video of an elementalist doing just decentely enough to not be pathetic, or getting by, not finishing off opponents who are already in a fight and busy, not fights in which noone targets you… what we need is actual pvp footage of a good player “dominating!” pvp so we can take some notes and see how it’s done.

It would help alot of us understand what we’re doing wrong.

Unless ofcourse, you are actually full of kitten which is what I suspect. And you like a few others just come down here and make these threads because the simple concept of class balance escapes your comprehensional grasp?

Masternewbz.4953:

Ementalists are good, you are bad.

sorry but its true.

use all 4 attunements and stop spamming your buttons

Wow! After reading this, I logged back in and armed with this newfound knowledge I tried again to play the elementalist! It’s TRUE! All of it!

Seriously guys, try it, use all 4 attunements this time! It really works…

[/sarcasm off]

Where do these guys come from…?

Yep – 80 ele here, and seriously considering making my 20 mesmer or 27 engi my main from now on…
Elementalist is broken.

Obvious troll is obvious…

On it’s own? It’s quite playable, very challenging/rewarding, and you’ll pay dearly for even the smaller mistakes (even in simple PvE).

When compared to a couple other classes that I’ve played? We’re patheticly UP.

Yukishiro.8792:

A good player on an ele will do about as well as a good player on another class.

No, it won’t. And I could write a nice long post on all the reasons why it isn’t so, but explaining something so obvious to people who refuse to understand, would be like trying to explain what blue is to a blind person.

In before Pinkerton comes in this thread and says underwater elementalist skills are completely fine, maybe a little OP even, you just need to learn to play better and change attunements, because some top skilled elementalists can solo 3 champion sharks, while selling items on the TP.

When are people going to learn the very simple concept that individual skill, has absolutely no bearing on class balance…

It’s not a difficult concept to grasp, yet “I can kill EVERYONE 1on1 and I can kill 5 champion mobs at the same time, with one finger only on my ele!!11!” is everywhere in these forums.

Stop the ego trip display and please show some intelligence.

I’ll repeat – individual player skill has no impact on class balance, none, zero, nada!