Guild Wars 2

Run away.

Because if you don’t, he will and waste everyone’s time.

Mike.7320:

First in AoN 3 man getting owned by randoms.

Second is the typical FA player, running back to their zerg. He was probably thinking “ah my gawd 5 OG RUNNN”

From the screenshot it looks like he’s running to tell his friends you failed to defend your objective ……

Engineer players seem to be pretty easy going and slightly off kilter.

Maybe more than slightly ……

Played since launch, 12 gp to my name (Almost all exotics on 2 chars, no legendary)

Why? Apparently I defend my realm in WvW far too often .

EnRohbi.2187:

When someone dances my corpse after they defeat me by ganking me 5v1 when I’m not expecting it or while I’m distracted fighting someone else, I usually go find them and steamroll over them to dance on their corpse right back.

I think the most ridiculous that I’ve seen was when 5 people ganked my level 20~ alt ranger one day and then all danced on my corpse like it was an accomplishment to win against an upleveled character by outnumbering them 5:1. ;D

More often than not, it doesn’t bother me, it just gives me a target and objective for the next few minutes.

It is in fact an accomplishment for some people. Why can’t you just let them have their moment of glory! Think about the children!

Rhyis.7058:

Arrow carts kill people bro. It’s exciting.

Arrow carts don’t kill people, people kill people

Huh?

Step 1) Play the game as you normally would

Step 2) Collect daily reward because you dodge while playing

I like Rifle / Sword & Mace. I get to jump around a bit with the sword and knock opponents down with the offhand mace. If the target won’t sit still I just use rifle to bring them down.

SethGrev.8275:

Nyxpersona.9128:

gotta love them maguuma idiots /laugh in a 10 v1 ….. come fight me 1 v1 ill rock your junk

Yep….and no one from your server ever danced/laughed on someone from the opposing server when they outnumbered them 10v1.

Waypoint quicker or get over it.

If we never did it why does it make it ok for you? This makes no sense at all!

Reply and say “I don’t care what you have to say Mr Toolbox. Please get back to class and let the adults play”

Should about cover it

As seen above: If you love ground targeting, grenades are the only viable damage source

I love my Engie in WvW, but hate it for PvE. I can beat multiple creatures, but it takes a very long time ……

In all fairness I hate grenades, and am rebelling against them being our only method of doing damage.

That and we’d need a turret for the elite slot (I suppose the supply crate, but I’m so tired of supply crates!). I’m all about making turrets viable, so let’s hope.

From the turret section of the Engineer class description:

“Engineers can also deploy turrets, immobile devices that help defend and control an area. For example, engineers can plant thumper turrets to cause damage to all foes in the area, or a healing turret that regenerates the health of nearby allies. Engineers can pack up and move turrets at will, and only one of each type can exist at a time. "

Like in Aliens :P

In the spirit of the original post, what does this do to those of us who don’t want to jump on the band wagon and insist on playing the “gimp” builds. The rest of us still can’t effectively win an encounter against most opponents, and making the Engineer look like a viable class keeps us from getting any attention ….. in theory.

salluks.6017:

ShaunZ.1098:

Cosmos The Cat.2954:

Only a WvW player would pull an all nighter for those extra points.

Only a WvW player would bow to his enemy or sleep next to his corpse.

Only a WvW player has not seen Zhaitan.

Who is Zhaitan?

Vizunah square…………………..lolz

LOL … where?

Cosmos The Cat.2954:

Only a WvW player would pull an all nighter for those extra points.

Only a WvW player would bow to his enemy or sleep next to his corpse.

Only a WvW player has not seen Zhaitan.

Who is Zhaitan?

Rezzet.3614:

Penguin.5197:

Yeah whenever more guildies from [NERF] are on it might be fun to do

However as a consolation screenshot (because the mine thing hasn’t been attempted yet) here is four of us dropping big ol bomb simultaneously.

any requirements to join that guild?

Have to be an Engineer.

(And slightly crazy)

Zonzai.2341:

Manticore Five.9867:

And this is why Engineers who don’t play their Engineers should delete immediately. Not only do the devs think you’re “fine”, they’re using the fact that you’re waiting for them to get their act together against you! That engineer gathering dust in your character slot is being cited as proof by the devs that they don’t need to fix the class, ever!

If you aren’t playing your engi until it’s “fixed”, delete if you ever want to see it fixed.

Absolutely true. I never thought of it that way but you’re right. I deleted mine to make a thief anyway. Talk about a great profession! Nobody in this game should ever play anything but mesmer, thief or guardian (maybe the occassional warrior and ele) because they just kick so much kitten it’s stupid.

I can’t believe you put Guardian on the list!

That sounds like a great idea. We have an all engineer guild on FA [NERF], hopefully we can try it!

I’ve never played grenade spec because I’m not skilled enough to ground target, but I came up against a grenade Engineer while playing my Warrior today and I felt bad for the guy. I filled him with hot lead while watching grenades fly all over the place. When they did hit it wasn’t all that painful.

My P/S Engineer is fun to play, but nobody quakes in fear when I meet them in open field fights.

So in other words no? The zone I’m in is smoky so the sky is a mess … hence the reason I put in the “besides light levels” stipulation.

Besides the obvious “look at the light levels”, is there any way to discern whether it’s day or night in game?

I’ll hit the JP if there isn’t a queue. If there isn’t a queue I’m not taking up a spot from someone else. I use the siege I get to rain punishment down on our enemies. I don’t see an issue.

I’m sure this has been brought up before, but I agree completely with the OP. It would be great to be rewarded for sacrificing fun and play time to watch a keep or babysit Dolyaks.

Rfreak.6591:

A good alternative to vampiric runes’ mist form is “self-regulating-defenses” trait from alchemy, as it triggers at 20% health (not the 25% stated in the tooltip) it really helps, I can’t even count the number of times it saved me, though you need a kit to get the most out of it.

I do have the necessary points in Alchemy, but I went with Protection Injection instead. The skills that make you drink an elixer at X% never seem to fire properly.

Rfreak.6591:

I thought vampire rune’s mist form had errata because it seemed to activate at 10% of your health, and considering conditions won’t get healed you’re most likely dead already, you should consider bringing the runes that activate protection at 50% health instead and pick elixir S for both defense and stomp utility.

My best suggestion, considering you may bring the trait that makes exploding turrets huge blowouts, to pick just the thumper turret, because the trait goes on CD once activated and can’t proc on all detonated turrets, try and bring the bomb kit instead of the rifle turret (its damage isn’t good anyway), it provides an extra edge for melees and the almighty big ol’ bomb, VERY reliable alternative to that trait activation, plus I think it’s one of our best skills, ever, especially if you delve into tools enough to get the minor trait that resets your toolbelt skills at 50% health, this minor trait alone lets you place BoB whenever you want without fearing of wasting it and bringing great havok on unaware opponents, while causing great pressure and “get the hell outta here” behaviors to aware opponents.

Oddly enough I manage to escape 9/10 times with the mist form. It might be that I don’t get a lot of conditions applied because I’m in and out fast or because I’m Asura and it’s like trying to catch a mouse haha. I like the bomb idea and will definitely give that a try, maybe run thumper, bomb kit, elixer S. The “get the hell outta here” response is the definite target here

Maullus.1273:

That sounds like a fun, and funny, thing to try, but I’m curious: how does the build feel, and perform, outside of the scenario where you can charge into a zerg?

It isn’t all that offensive outside of mass chaos, but it has a really solid feel to it because I have a lot of toughness and vitality. When running open field combat I’ll switch out the rocket turret for either net turret or the condition removal elixer (forget the model number). It’s a lot of fun in high places too because of the knockbacks.

So this is my build for my engineer, and I’m just sharing for fun. I’m not a hardcore player, and I mostly WvW, which is how I directed this build. Feel free to comment or add suggestions, but remember I do this for fun and do not consider 1v1 scenarios into anything I ever do.

- For traits I’m 20-10-30-10-0 With emphasis on turret improvements (accelerant packed turrets) and toughness (+90 tough when holding shield).
- My gear is a mix of Pow, Tough, Vit and Knights pieces.
- I use 6 Superior Runes of the Vampire (did I just lose some readers?)
- For my skill setup I use (usually!) Elixer H, Thumper turret, Rocket turret, Elixer B and Supply Crate.
- Weapons are pistol and Shield

Typically I’m the goofy engineer who runs full speed into the enemy zerg [Elixer B], and I try to get to the most densely populated part. I’ll drop a supply crate, thumper turret, overcharge it, drop rocket turret, overcharge it, and try like mad to get back to my team. The Vampire rune turns me to mist if I get really messed up, and since I run shield I can also use magnetic shield to blow enemies off of me.

Rozbuska.5263:

RNG isnt fun. Thats all what I wanna say.

So, apparently when I quoted this the first time and said “I second that” it was an infraction and my post was deleted because I wasn’t specific enough?

I second that because I want to know what my skills are going to do when I push the button, like how it works for the other classes. When I get spanked because I randomly get the effect I didn’t want at the time, I don’t fall out of my chair laughing because it was so amusing that my bumbling engineer messed up the potion again! I don’t guffaw aloud because I imagine him like a goony cartoon villain who just can’t seem to use the right amount of (ingredient X) in his elixer.

Chaba.5410:

ShaunZ,
I tried to send you an invite but it says you’ve reached the maximum number of guilds. You’ll have to either decline any current unanswered guild invites or leave one of the guilds you are a member of if you are still interested in joining.

Should be fixed

In as well. Invite me when you get a chance. (Might just transfer servers if this works out)

mifbifgiggle.6713:

i get 145 ticks from bleeding

Based on your other engineer posts I think this is probably inaccurate, but what is your condition damage stat? You stated you are a mix of stats so this is suspect to say the least.

Why all the condition removal debate? The only dangerous condition is cripple.

KirinDave.6451:

aydenunited.5729:

Except that you’re nice and low on HP, and your condition damage goes limp at 25% with Automated Response. And even if you kill me the first time, I’ve already got Elixir R thrown on the ground and rez myself to continue the fight.

Hypothetical duels don’t really mean much, we could go back and forth all day countering what the other can do in words. I would love to face more tough Necros to work on my build, look me up in game and we’ll have a go sometime, should be fun.

I sort of agree with the sentiment that mind duels are only cool in Kungkittenmovies, but Necros are a very nasty class for engineer bunkers to deal with. I think it’s worth talking about because it highlights some of the weak points of TANKCAT.

Probably the hardest part about being an engineer is dealing with condition builds. Engineers simply lack good condition clearing, and they’ve very vulnerable to having their limited access to buffs stolen. TANKCAT’s primary damage output is Retaliation, but they actually have limited access to it. If you take it away or don’t do the bulk of your damage via direct hits, TANKCAT has basically no way to do anything but slowly lumber away dropping easily avoidable nail fields.

Necros are a particularly bad type of condition build to deal with for tanky engineers. Unless they’re spec’d heavily AoE, they will keep conditions on you always, corrupt your boons, ignore your burst, wait out your blocks. And if you are one of the rare engineers that spec’s to ignore conditions at 25% hp, the Necro can pop death shroud and actually hit shockingly hard with life blast. And that’s assuming they haven’t been banking their ultimate.

The main reason Necros are not an absolute terror in small groups in WvW is because they tend to roll with utilities that give them the best AoE condition damage options in the game. Swapping out Epidemic for Corrupt Boon changes that equation, as does trading in a staff for a dagger/dagger or dagger/focus. Occasionally you see users like Sheobix make roamer power builds and they’re pretty frightening to watch (necro’s melee damage is shockingly strong). I’ve never seen an engineer build has a chance in hell of beating a well melee necro. The easy access to Stability (from DS), Chill, and Corrupt Boon just ruins Engineers of all kinds.

Anyways, the greatest strength of an Engineer is supposed to be mid-fight versatility. It is currently not the case that engineers have that (and Rangers do it better with pet swapping, not that it’s great). For now, Engineer’s actual greatest strength is that if you want you can rock so many knockbacks that you can keep melee players on the ground for quite some time, and stability becomes a must-have. Of course, Engineers have no real ways to capitalize on this power because their direct damage options are so lackluster, but if you’re rolling with a team you can make the fight much easier for the team by keeping enemies on the floor.

I completely agree with the last paragraph. Engineers are the banana peel class of GW2

Supply Crate – when I drop it in an area with a lot of enemies (when it is most necessary) the ground target shows fine, the drop animation goes off fine, then a few seconds later it pops back up on my bar unused.

Downed State tow rope – No longer seems to do anything 50% of the time. It fires off, but it doesn’t affect most enemies. To be honest, I’d rather just have the teleport the real classes get.

Turn back before it’s too late!!!

I used condition builds for quite a while and was underwhelmed by the damage no matter which way I sliced it.

I somewhat jest, but read the forums before going down that path.

Engineer: Whoa. Déjà vu.
[Everyone freezes right in their tracks]
Guardian: What did you just say?
Engineer: Nothing. Just had a little déjà vu.
Guardian: What did you see?
Ranger: What happened?
Engineer: A dev post went past us, and then another that looked just like it.
Guardian: How much like it? Was it the same post?
Engineer: It might have been. I’m not sure.
Warrior: LOL
Engineer: What is it?
Guardian: A déjà vu is usually a hidden nerf. It happens when they change something.

- The Matrix (1999)

Thanks for all the replies. I’m just gathering some real world data (thanks for the formulas as well!) to see which direction I want to go. I really thought a condition damage build would be better, because it’s advertised as ignoring armor, etc, but it just doesn’t seem like having so much +cond dam is worth the sacrifices. Thinking maybe sacrificing some for Pow or Precision.

Edit: I’m running 1537 Condition damage currently. P/S setup

Looks like my typical damage tick is 127 …… almost every piece of my gear is +cond dam

Anyone care to post the amount per tick of their condition damage? I turned my condition damage stat up to 11, but it just doesn’t seem like I tick off enough damage to be any good. I’ll have to log in to WvW and get my exact numbers which I will post shortly.

Negated.4105:

I don’t really struggle against other thieves, and thieves are best harasses due to the amount of players in that area, more targets to pull of CnD. If you want to beat him, you need to party up, and watch your surroundings, people complain about theifs, but I am a thief with low defence and I still down backstab or condition thieves..

blablabla tl:dr party up and watch for the squiggly black smoke when a thief reappears that is the only thing that renders on time.

So the answer to beating a thief is partying up? How many people should it take to be able to beat 1? Isn’t that the definition of over powered?

I agree … when we take over a map I would much rather sit on that map and listen to the crickets while reading a good book. I hate it when a few guys get to take over one of the towers on my map and I have to find my bookmark so I can go get some points by taking it back again! I always lose my bookmark ………

They’re all red names to me, and I fight them all the same

Is Yak’s Bay somewhere near Yak’s Bend?

LOCO.1785:

XII, you realise your class is just as capable in laying down the same amount of smack in as little time right? In fact, that is exactly how you’re built…

Yet your here kittening about the thief? Good one.

Yeah, but he can’t turn invisible when his attack fails. That was his point.

I agree with the OP that the near permanent invisibility makes them frustrating, if not entirely stupid in some cases, to fight. But my main is an Engi not a War or whatever people keep going on about as OP.

The problem I’m having is part of the general confusion I guess. The description only says “pistol shots pierce”, which I understand as going through targets in a line. The pistol itself is what does the explosion and the bleed, so am I missing something that makes this better?

My build is based around Cond Dam, Tough, Vit. I keep reading that coated bullets are a must for a P/S build, but doesn’t coated bullets only compliment a Power based build?

Yeah, best to just ignore them. They faceroll the keyboard and become invisible anyways.