National servers should win every time easily because national server is like one big guild. If we would have national server we would tic +500 24/7 because we are mmorpg elite country.
it forced the “nah PvD is lame”-server to play PvD.
PvD aka Player versus Door.Players that play without any opposition (unless you count guards )
Sfr had 50-60 Visunah players to play againts ALL night so i would not call the PvDoor.Get the facts straight.SFR never did and will probabily never do pvd and the reason for that is your really high participation 24h arround the clock and tbh we really appreciate that because we play for the PvP for whatever that matters.Winning without absolutely no PvDooring whatsoever and on the contrary having really high opposition from Visunah all night long makes the victory so much sweeter.
Bottomline i suggest a revisit of your definition of pvdoor if fighting vs 60 guys live is that.You won a cookie for the try from my part
No idea why you quoted me there
Edit: To make it clear, i quoted the part you said about hyping about fights to make yourself sound better, as this is what you do.
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Yes we lost 2 keeps between those 2 epic fights in bay and garri but it was so epic that it was totally worth.The guys that fought both those battles got over 1k kills no kidding .There were groups regrouping and poping merchants more than 5 times it was that crazy.
imo the banner ressing is only annoying because of anet’s failure with skill lag.Its really hard to counter it when you need to wait 20 seconds to activate a skill so please the counter arguments are really bad.And if we were that bad you guys wouldn’ have to respawn over 10 times
.We also took your t3 hills in deso bl during that fight so for me it was a win.
About the 1st battle in bay we had to deal with the same banner rez issue and we fought both servers.Unfortunately the vs blob decided that wiping 3 times on lords was enough and took advantage to steal hills xd but as i said before it was totally worth it.Holding head to 2 consecitive blobs made up of the entire population of the map minus scouts charging in one after another,wihout neing able to heal or get reinforcements because the constant nattle and closed walls/doors scoring over 500 kills for the average joe and in the end capping it really is impressive in my book.So much about sfr has no skill mindless ramble but i guess things like these give trolls the reason to hate but we just proceed in the next asswhooping on the battlefield with our so calle lowerquality,or whatever makes you haters happy.
Jokes apart props to deso and vs will of fighting without that those 2 epic battles would never have happened bu please trolls stop crying mindless rabble and try to give the right props to people that in the end prevailed or regardless of the outcome fought and held against almost impossible ods.
Ps: my phone is terrible at writing so please don’t hate om my crappy spelling <3
Great post, i’d believe all the wiping you talked about if you wasn’t in sIN though.
Some great fights tonight on SFR, quite the shock to see Vizunah more willing to fight open field than OSC, ECL and some other SFR guilds.
Good tactic , u need to group up three guilds together to give us a real challange
E_____P_____I_____C______!
ECL talking about grouping up with other guilds, heh
What just happened in VZ garri was really pathetic.
30 mins farming you sad people, +400 kills and you keep using that lame banner ress on lord.
It kinda ruined the good fights we had all evening.
Keeping the VZ spirit up and running!
OSC and co were using the same thing on SFR Garrison…Wow you crying?!! backstabbing us whole night pushing always the same time when vz pushed.. or what? you took hills while vz was pushing Bay with their zerg….. gg
Then stormed garrison with golems? while we were in bay,instead of targeting t1 bay you go for t3 garrison and then cry? It was epic hold and we stopped it.
I have to give it to votf do epic amount of necros… This is your new setup a lot of necros eles with some guardians and mesmers?
I was fun we won few and lost few,once osc came at least we had the numbers to fight even vs both zergs on our map….
Okay so…a summary of your post:
- We are not allowed to “backstab” or attack while VS is attacking, we must wait til VS is done then ask if you are ready for us.
- We are not allowed to touch your garrison, especially when it gets a waypoint, this is off limits.
- We are not allowed to use too many necros or eles, …jus’ ‘cause.
- We are not allowed to take our section of the map while VS is attacking, we must wait at the gate of Hills until they are done, then let you know we’re here.
- We are not allowed to use golems.
- It is irrelevant if we are on SFR border or not, we MUST focus VS otherwise we are playing stupid.
Think i got most of that, anything else you want to whine about seeing as that’s all you’ve done this whole thread?
Q: How many blobs from Viz and Deso at the same time on different gates does it take to get into Garnison with 20 Sfr defending?
A: Trick question. No such number tonight.Thank you for the +400 bags for 3 hours….it has been nice farming you and i hope you come back tomorrow
I’ve learnt to not take any of the posts from your guild seriously, thanks for clarifying
All i see is a bunch of band wagoner servers, Calling a server that started with Low Population and built up a strong wvw server band wagoners.
Unlike VZ and Deso, SFR was in t8 at launch we didn’t have all the cool kids jump to the big population servers. We built our community from the bottom up. We built on what we needed, and got some great guilds.
I can’t help but laugh when i see comments about SFR being the band wagoners.
SFR calling someone else the bandwagon server? ahaahahaha
cause we weren’t here before Piken guilds joined…try harder.
You were in tier 2..and before that because you had PRX
Can I ask what the hell happened to SFR?
I was a fan of em last year, seemed like good server(I actually moved to them for few weeks last year when they were mid tier to get away from RUIN on Deso, and to have fair fights etc..) And seemed like great little server. They never had the pop of the big servers yet seemed to be very organised and have good skill level of pugs.I’d have to disagree totally with all that now tbh, I’m sure the ‘old skool’ SFRs are still around and grand but since there boom to T1 last year and esp now again since the free transfers stopped they have gone down a massive hill.
Obviously they have gone up score wise and are no1 server now and probably will be for few more weeks, but the average pug I come a cross is pretty bad, and I can count at least 10 times in last 5 days I’ve gotten party invites from SFR players I’ve killed 1v1 or 5v4 etc.. that just call you ‘desoscum’ and troll for 5mins, I always let them vent as they are just bad losers but by god SFR is going downhill fast, and its a shame to see.Could be a case of success breeds contempt for some, but I really don’t care who is 1 or 2. In fact I’ve always preferred T2 or T3 then T1.
The best thing that can happen for SFR now is a drop down tiers as some big guilds move back to where they came from pikenSquare or w/e and the real SFR players build back up again, done wonders for deso after the RUIN shambles, We will never be 1st again way things are, and that’s just fine by me and most I know who play.TLDR; SFR have some very skilled guilds and players, but since there upward run through the tiers they have attracted a tonne load of very bad players and trolls, and imo they are bringing the name of server down to the dumps. It’s a shame.
Sorry but you are too skilled for us
http://www.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3DxzpndHtdl9AIt’s not hard to outskill the sIN blob that can only run in straight lines
Easy to outskill a 20 man"blob" with 50
but thx for your concern and your definition of blob
sIN 20 man ahahahahahaha
i take it as a compliment that you think sin are more:).truth is sadly most of the times we are even less.Glad to see small raids still get noticed in these times.
I wouldn’t take it as a compliment, i was using it as a measurement of loot bags we got whenever our guilds wiped you.
Edit: And of course the skill lag you bring with you.
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Can I ask what the hell happened to SFR?
I was a fan of em last year, seemed like good server(I actually moved to them for few weeks last year when they were mid tier to get away from RUIN on Deso, and to have fair fights etc..) And seemed like great little server. They never had the pop of the big servers yet seemed to be very organised and have good skill level of pugs.I’d have to disagree totally with all that now tbh, I’m sure the ‘old skool’ SFRs are still around and grand but since there boom to T1 last year and esp now again since the free transfers stopped they have gone down a massive hill.
Obviously they have gone up score wise and are no1 server now and probably will be for few more weeks, but the average pug I come a cross is pretty bad, and I can count at least 10 times in last 5 days I’ve gotten party invites from SFR players I’ve killed 1v1 or 5v4 etc.. that just call you ‘desoscum’ and troll for 5mins, I always let them vent as they are just bad losers but by god SFR is going downhill fast, and its a shame to see.Could be a case of success breeds contempt for some, but I really don’t care who is 1 or 2. In fact I’ve always preferred T2 or T3 then T1.
The best thing that can happen for SFR now is a drop down tiers as some big guilds move back to where they came from pikenSquare or w/e and the real SFR players build back up again, done wonders for deso after the RUIN shambles, We will never be 1st again way things are, and that’s just fine by me and most I know who play.TLDR; SFR have some very skilled guilds and players, but since there upward run through the tiers they have attracted a tonne load of very bad players and trolls, and imo they are bringing the name of server down to the dumps. It’s a shame.
Sorry but you are too skilled for us
http://www.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3DxzpndHtdl9AIt’s not hard to outskill the sIN blob that can only run in straight lines
Easy to outskill a 20 man"blob" with 50
but thx for your concern and your definition of blob
sIN 20 man ahahahahahaha
Can I ask what the hell happened to SFR?
I was a fan of em last year, seemed like good server(I actually moved to them for few weeks last year when they were mid tier to get away from RUIN on Deso, and to have fair fights etc..) And seemed like great little server. They never had the pop of the big servers yet seemed to be very organised and have good skill level of pugs.I’d have to disagree totally with all that now tbh, I’m sure the ‘old skool’ SFRs are still around and grand but since there boom to T1 last year and esp now again since the free transfers stopped they have gone down a massive hill.
Obviously they have gone up score wise and are no1 server now and probably will be for few more weeks, but the average pug I come a cross is pretty bad, and I can count at least 10 times in last 5 days I’ve gotten party invites from SFR players I’ve killed 1v1 or 5v4 etc.. that just call you ‘desoscum’ and troll for 5mins, I always let them vent as they are just bad losers but by god SFR is going downhill fast, and its a shame to see.Could be a case of success breeds contempt for some, but I really don’t care who is 1 or 2. In fact I’ve always preferred T2 or T3 then T1.
The best thing that can happen for SFR now is a drop down tiers as some big guilds move back to where they came from pikenSquare or w/e and the real SFR players build back up again, done wonders for deso after the RUIN shambles, We will never be 1st again way things are, and that’s just fine by me and most I know who play.TLDR; SFR have some very skilled guilds and players, but since there upward run through the tiers they have attracted a tonne load of very bad players and trolls, and imo they are bringing the name of server down to the dumps. It’s a shame.
Sorry but you are too skilled for us
http://www.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3DxzpndHtdl9A
It’s not hard to outskill the sIN blob that can only run in straight lines
This game is called GUILD Wars for a reason.
You are correct, it was named after the lore conflict called the “Guild Wars”.
Oh, not the reason you were expecting? My bad.
That was created to give GvG some context in pve.
No.. it wasn’t, how does GvG have context in PvE?
I know this doesn´t prove kitten, but i swear this warrior used mist form at 5% HP when he was about to die, then i aggroed guards and he killed me. Don´t know if it is just some modified animation for another skill, but i swear i saw the mist form animation, hacks or not, its weird.
There’s a rune set that gives mist form when on 10% health afaik
Summary of last episodes :
01- Every serv which has faced VS since the release deserved #1
02- SFR deserves #1 more than all of these
03- VS outman 10:1 every opponent serv at every hour of every day
04- All servers fight with 90+ players blobs
05- VS blobs are 120+ players
06- VS is only PvDing
07- SFR dominates strongly every EU primetime with 400+ average score
08- 95% of VS pop is made of unemployed people
09- 40% of VS pop is made of cheaters
10- 50% of VS pop is made of Canadians, North Africans and people from DOM, TOM & CTOM
11- Average rank of VS without morning cap is T7-T8
12- WvW is intended to reward beat’em all playstyle
13- T2 playstyle is always better than T1 ¹
14- VS never fights outside buildings
15- Every server except VS score while there is a strong opposition (not during the afternoon/night/morning)
16- VS scores only against npcs
17- Every server is always facing an alliance of the two others
18- Bandwagoning has never existed ²
19- Most of VS guilds have transferred to JS ³
20- Any group/band/raid of any server will always crush a group/band/raid of VS in openfield
21- Any group/band/raid of SFR will always crush a group/band/raid of another server in openfield
22- WvW is designed to only reward fight during russian and EU primetime
23- If you sign doesn’t contain 100k+ kills, your argument is invalid
24- Vizunians don’t move on the battlefield, they flee toward a building
25- VS has brought blob fighting style in T1
26- All servers except VS are practising “bôjeu”
27- SFR is practising a far more “bôjeu” than other servers
28- Vizunians must outman 3:1 any other player to down him
29- Vizunians must outman 5:1 any SFR’s player to down him
30- Culling is fixed
¹ : when you are in T2 or when you’re going to drop into T2
² : excepted on VS
³ : point 03 still ok after thatps: my english is bad, blablablah..
Ahahaha this made my day!
When is this RG v GH video coming xD
There’s already a few out One has it’s own thread on the forum i think
And you guys are much better defenders than us, you barely lose anything in EB while we often lose tower after tower.
Ask anyone on deso and they will say the same thing.
Didn’t realise anyone on Deso had been to every server to check out every commander.
and even though you had to leave a troll comment, like the hater you’ve become, ever since you got kicked out of iron, you still didn’t dispute the fact that Zuchie is the best. Just goes to prove that my statement is true.
I don’t see how it was a troll comment, i merely pointed out the flaws in what you said, which you obviously don’t like
Now go back to saying in guild chat of how you think IRON is better than RG in open field, hurhurhur
And you guys are much better defenders than us, you barely lose anything in EB while we often lose tower after tower.
Ask anyone on deso and they will say the same thing.
Didn’t realise anyone on Deso had been to every server to check out every commander.
but to say that IRON=Deso is a bit offensive to all the other guilds that do WvW here.
Try it out. I prognosticate if you send IRON in holiday or IRON leave Desolation, this Server drops immediately in T2-3. Moreover, i think Deso is the new Blacktide if IRON would do this. IRON is the biggest Guild i have ever seen in gw2 and in addition to this, its a guild which have i high amount of scilled players. Far more than i can see elsewhere on Desolation. It sounds hard, but its my only perception until now of Deso and the Big-IRON.
IRON is around 300 people (might be less i’m not sure), Deso has plenty of guilds with 400-500 people.
and you guys knows what happens when we face of in equal numbers.
and this is totaly absurd!
SFR is one of the best-scilled-player-server next after or before piken (maybe was).
And this exactly is the reason why i played there since release.
If i see equal members – i ever see winning us.
Only, and rly only if there is the (Big-)IRON-Squad – we are losing sometimes. You could also say IRON=Deso.VZ is a fair opponent in my view. I wish i could see a Desolation that is fighting sometimes against VZ instead only against us and fall in our back and cover VZ towers. Only VZ have the courage to attack routinely both enemys.
All servers have skilled players, SFR just has a lot of guilds and a lot of bandwagoners.
And yes IRON is an important part of Deso, but to say that IRON=Deso is a bit offensive to all the other guilds that do WvW here.
Awesome, epic monster battle with mixed Vizunians versus Bull+DsD at VS Garrison. 30+Min, i had goosebumps on some actions. Many thank’s
Yep! That fight was intense! We were in there a long time and both sides got a lot of kills, kudos to VS for pulling off a great defence in the end.
If you read what i wrote, you will see that we lost a lot of commanders because of burnout/tired/fed up/wait for march patch. So i asked a GC (Elysea) to made this because we when to learn beginners commanders how to do. Is it a reason to laugh?
Oh yeah sry but made my day. The way you command to others how to play and whom to play. So arrogant and funny at the same time.
Now “Commander Academy” like there is something difficult leading 40 pugs trought a camp and skill capping treb shot.
“Our commanders suck, let’s find better, WE NEED YOU”
What’s next ? L2P ACADEMY ?
Ooh what a great idea! And while they’re doing that you could set up the bandwagon academy since you’re great at that right?
If i wanna be on the best server (medals bullkitten) i wouldn’t have left Viz 3 Month Ago.
Some bandwagon just because they dont have fun playing your pve/RP bullcrap.
:)
Interesting, I’m not on VS though, try again kiddo!
I dont even know who you are tbh.
You from IRON server? Just ignore second statements then and ask votf to create your academy.
I didn’t realise IRON had its own server, but no I’m not, don’t see how VoTF are a bandwagon guild either, they joined Deso when we were 2nd and about to drop to third place, you however joined SFR after the mass influx of guilds and players and shot up to tier 1, you are singlehandedly the definition of a bandwagoner
If you read what i wrote, you will see that we lost a lot of commanders because of burnout/tired/fed up/wait for march patch. So i asked a GC (Elysea) to made this because we when to learn beginners commanders how to do. Is it a reason to laugh?
Oh yeah sry but made my day. The way you command to others how to play and whom to play. So arrogant and funny at the same time.
Now “Commander Academy” like there is something difficult leading 40 pugs trought a camp and skill capping treb shot.
“Our commanders suck, let’s find better, WE NEED YOU”
What’s next ? L2P ACADEMY ?
Ooh what a great idea! And while they’re doing that you could set up the bandwagon academy since you’re great at that right?
If i wanna be on the best server (medals bullkitten) i wouldn’t have left Viz 3 Month Ago.
Some bandwagon just because they dont have fun playing your pve/RP bullcrap.
:)
Interesting, I’m not on VS though, try again kiddo!
If you read what i wrote, you will see that we lost a lot of commanders because of burnout/tired/fed up/wait for march patch. So i asked a GC (Elysea) to made this because we when to learn beginners commanders how to do. Is it a reason to laugh?
Oh yeah sry but made my day. The way you command to others how to play and whom to play. So arrogant and funny at the same time.
Now “Commander Academy” like there is something difficult leading 40 pugs trought a camp and skill capping treb shot.
“Our commanders suck, let’s find better, WE NEED YOU”
What’s next ? L2P ACADEMY ?
Ooh what a great idea! And while they’re doing that you could set up the bandwagon academy since you’re great at that right?
Only VS will be remembered anyway.
There’s a few things VS will be remembered for (introducing night capping, denying said night capping, being killed very easily (apparently) in open field, hiding behind walls, morning capping with golems..every morning,). But potentially go down a tier because you got “double teamed” and expect people to feel sorry for you, lolno
rg(sfr) atak castle , deso tag^^ gg , seriously is fun 2v1?
Yes very fun, lots of gold from taking your keeps :>
Cry more desolation ! i suppose you dont know us today too.. Getting the bay from you on your own bl in epic 3 way fight and keeping you 2 times from hills! with only us and OSC on the map from sfr. But yeah keep trolling. And yes we dont have a lot of people but we are always with vcy riot ect
we just dont make raids everyday.
Okay firstly i was on Deso border too, you were against half of DsD, since they play later at night + a handful of pugs, but good job! (endsarcasm)
Also you seems dont understand why sfr is so strong. We dont do like iron come join us we are blob, sfr develops it players. Our pugs are better than average.
Aaahhh, the good old “Our servers players are the best around!” Every server has great players, every server has bad players, try to accept that and your head will fit through the door on the way out
very gg sfr/deso
2vs1 fat skill ;-)
Tbh if there is a 2v1 going on, it’s the just nature of the game atm, VS is currently weak and easy points, so makes sense to attack them. We don’t have some sort of alliance going on, it’s just more of a 1v1v0.5
Edit: Just been told few guilds are gunning for you.
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Aaw you guys all defensive it’s okay, guilds fall apart all the time.
Haha Genev you are such a troll, you sure you don’t want to follow the old guilds you used to play with from Fs and Blacktide to Sfr? I am sure most of Deso would be willing to contribute to pay for the gems you need, though ofcourse it would be painful for us points wise to lose CIR. But you know how it is we don’t want people to stay on our server if they are not happy.
I don’t think most of Deso would be willing to do that at all, she only speaks her mind and most of the time it’s actually the truth, but alas, the truth hurts.
As for IRON, 2 months later:
“Hey, our GvG team is ready now!”
And that would be a problem, because…?
Because right now all it looks like is making excuses not to GvG after their last loss to WL.
Personally don’t think it’ll be 2 months, but I’d bet the team would be ready as soon as Deso is in a different tier than SFR
- RG moans about other servers “blobbing up”
- RG and sIN go around in one massive “blob”
- RG and sIN “blob” get wiped by single guild multiple timesInb4 RG post about how they were only 30 people fighting 200+
why are you people quoting sIN ? they were bad on PS they are bad on SFR. If you find sIN ’’fun’’ to play against or ’’challenging’’ you(your guild) simply suck.
That makes no sense whatsoever.
Was a fun week and i am definitely looking for more. Thx VS and Deso.
But… the skilllag when 40v40 happens is HORRIBLE, i hope this changes next week, total game breaking for me… no fun.
Yeah, not sure what’s been going on with the servers but if there’s a fight ANYWHERE on the border, it seems to lag the whole map. Hopefully will be fixed soon as you said but good fights this week
Kaz reformed into BuLL, we dont need glory hunters on our server, Srf is strong now just wait for it to turn into another Blacktide. They cant even beat Vizunah with the influx of people they got, Shocking.
Can’t beat Vizunah? What do you say now?
Aye, just ignore him, SFR did an awesome job this week especially this last day to pull back the points, pat yourselves on the back, you deserve it
The main question here is how dare complain about everything you do?
what
So it seems that nightcapping/morningcapping is not a probleme anymore for sfr now that they win because of it.
Oh and you can also thanks your lapdogs Desolation
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Kinda fun that you start complaining that SFR people go up early just one day in the entire matchup, when it’s Viz who do it every other day of the week. Hypocrisy!
Kinda fun to see such aggressive comments after one cry, while you cryed all the week long about morning capping when you were both night and afternoon capping, hope SFR enjoyed being wrecked by both deso an vis in prime time.
Omg, how dare we play WvW during the afternoon! HOW DARE WE!
Also lol @ “hope SFR enjoyed being wrecked by both deso an vis in prime time.” i’m on Deso and even I admit SFR has a very strong primetime presence, come on, they deserved to win this week.
People in tier 1 take this casual gametype way to serious.
No u.
Kaz reformed into BuLL, we dont need glory hunters on our server, Srf is strong now just wait for it to turn into another Blacktide. They cant even beat Vizunah with the influx of people they got, Shocking.
o.O
O_O
All that QQ lol.
Iron wanna play blob game.
They get owned.
If you want to GvG with Rg just ask to them.
You ll also get owned tho :/
That’s funny, considering you switched servers from Deso to SFR as soon as they hit T1, never complained about IRON while you were here though… HMMMM
I left that kitten server cuz it was a kittening disaster.
Dont be mad
Not mad at all, glad to lose one of the gloryseekers
Don’t let the door hit you too hard on the way out when RG get bored and move again.
Still mad
I’m glad we had this talk. Now run along little zergling, don’t get left behind!
All that QQ lol.
Iron wanna play blob game.
They get owned.
If you want to GvG with Rg just ask to them.
You ll also get owned tho :/
That’s funny, considering you switched servers from Deso to SFR as soon as they hit T1, never complained about IRON while you were here though… HMMMM
I left that kitten server cuz it was a kittening disaster.
Dont be mad
Not mad at all, glad to lose one of the gloryseekers
Don’t let the door hit you too hard on the way out when RG get bored and move again.
I don’t want to ever see RG whine on the forums about blobs anymore. you’re running with 5 guilds and pugs atm kinda hypocritical considering all your QQ’s about that exact thing
We’re only 20 RG in the zone atm. Dunno what you on about.
lol. that post actually made me laugh. rg zerg + rnv + 3 other guilds + pugs in your blob on deso. I know your “glorious leader” tells you all to spread his nonsense crap about how you’re 12 people and everyone else is 200+. but we know what we saw and you can’t deny that you had a huge blob on deso lol. wiped you a few times and made you run back into bay. was fun, I’m not complaining. just saying that your whining about blobs has turned into hypocritical blabbing now since you’re doing it yourselves.
time to give the wife my time now so ’night to everything gw2-related
Mate, you got 38+ IRON and another 12+ pugs on your teamspeak. Plus those that tag along without joining comms. You stood outside the keep with 50+ trying to blobb our 23.
So yes, we called the zone and gave you a taste of your own medicine. Resulting in a clear wipe with equal numbers (was 23 RG + ~15-20 RNV + ~10 BG) and IRON ending the official raid.As Cyril said, the offer for an equal number GvG is still open.
Also as you can take from Genev’s post, an actual Desolation player, we fought all evening alone and only gathered a few “pugs we didn’t want to send away” to assist us in combat.
Can’t really take Genev’s posts seriously though considering she’s an RG fangirl.
All that QQ lol.
Iron wanna play blob game.
They get owned.
If you want to GvG with Rg just ask to them.
You ll also get owned tho :/
That’s funny, considering you switched servers from Deso to SFR as soon as they hit T1, never complained about IRON while you were here though… HMMMM
nice blob there RG, rnv and many other guilds. we couldn’t even swap weapons or even dodge. we had 12 people in our zerg vs your 90+ people. gg
If numbers are the issue GvG lets go, what you waiting for. Let’s do this allready. 25 vs. 25 the offer is there. There is no hiding and no excuse then about numbers either side.
This is a good post.
This is a pointless post.
I have lag when standing next to Genev.