Guild Wars 2

blurps.2340:

That build is built around Cloak and Dagger ( dagger 5 ). Basically the move puts the thief into stealth and gives him access to Tactical Strike ( Sword 1 while in stealth ), a full 2 sec daze – that’s the “global cooldown” you experienced. With the right trait setup you can get the initiative cost down, so you can use it quite frequently.

Everytime when in stealth you’ll get some crazy regen and condition removal too.

Pretty OP build in my book as well, but at least you get a chance to actually react.

Thanks a lot! now it make sense, going to try that thief build out to understand it better. ^^

@Lysico.4906
That’s a shame, that play-style really took my attention. I’m glad Thief player run DD ^^

Stanholo.5394 100% agree

but yesterday i had a fight that made me feel useless.

I am using an Hammer/GS 0/0/20/30/20 build, stat priority: pow/tou/vit.

The fight occurred on Spvp 1vs1. war vs thief.

it was frustrating I am usually able to kill thief. managed a 2vs1 too.(but that’s because the majority of thief follow a FOTM train and don’t know how to play)

But this guy literally made my jaw drop.

I could not hit him, he was constantly going in and out of stealth, but seriously every 3 second for about 4 minute of fight.

Then when he finally come out of stealth i had all of my skill on a sort of global CD (including weapon swap and auto-attack like i was interrupted) he did that several time.

When i managed to lock him down with the hammer f1/knockback i finally did some good damage.
But guess what? he got stealth-ed again, and when he appeared my action bar was again on a global CD.

whiteout mentioning that every-time he was coming out of stealth his life was at 100%, like he had some sort of crazy regeneration.

It was a very interesting fight, i never had my character locked that hard before. do anyone know which build is able to do that? i would like to study it to see if it has any flaw.

wannabe WoW Warrior with spell reflect….
omg that’s an incredible idea, Need!

1200 euro pc brought last year, running all on max setting and the lowest fps was 27 on a huge zerg in on WvW.
I’m sorry mate but this game is not that hard to run.

Tera broken without an EXTREME high end machine?
ah ah..try secret world.

WvW is not the best field to try out pvp if you are lvl 65, i could basically two-shot you with my lvl 80 full exotic character.
Try out in sPVP until you are lvl 80, or if you want to do WvW run with a group because if you are on 1vs1 (which rarely happens) the % of get your face melted is very high at lvl 65.

i have a ranger as main, recently lvl’d up a warrior, i yet have to lose a single pvp vs a ranger,(Spvp/WvW) trolling them so hard is fun. But that’s maybe because i know it’ mechanics.

Just 1 question; since when desolation is an American server?

^ big flaw in this theory, warrior has the potential to out-damage us on our field(range)
Plus i don’t understand why a war is entitled to win by default, are we talking about class balance or pure roleplay?…

last time a checked there was no holy trinity or rock, papers, scissor, lizard, spock in this game

^ That’s what i did, i am having a blast with my warrior atm, amazing on Pve and terrific on WvW, lot of group utility, great CC, awesome mobility, survivability is excellent, damage is more than fine considering 31khp and 2k toughness…oh man you should try.

^
On pvp too if you want to use the “Protect Me” shout and you use any ranged weapon

to me it mean that i have to wait on 15 November to see if i can properly start to play the class and have some fun.

Vox Hollow.2736:

/blink.
I can’t see any connection between what you quoted from me and what you wrote under it, Division. It’s alright you don’t agree that profession mechanics and skills go hand-in-hand, but it’s kind of confusing if you don’t say as much.

@Shilian
There’s no point getting upset with being told go try out warrior. If you want to talk to Arenanet directly, that’s what the suggestion forum is for. A post here is asking for our input as well. Suggesting alternative classes because the class you’re playing isn’t meeting your expectations is the only thing your fellow consumers can do for you.

you are right, sorry got almost upset, i read it totally in the wrong way ^^

hey wait all, bunker warrior suck in WvW? wtf i am having a blast playing with hammer/greatsword
oO?

monepipi.5160:

A pet is part and parcel of the ranger, an extension of him. Either you accept the whole thing or go re-roll another class. ANET will never implement stowing pets to give you buffs, that will be them shooting themselves in the foot.

Well, I don’t see your point, you are giving me 2 choices, none of them makes any sense to me. But thanks for trying.

Do you have some sort of secret spy inside ANET that tells you what they “will or not will” do?

Do you think that a rifle warrior should be able to out-damage a class which is clearly designed under the “archer/hunter” archetype?
If you don’t believe me please go and read the description of the ranger, ill save u the time and write it:

“Rangers rely on a keen eye, a steady hand, and the power of nature itself. Unparalleled archers, rangers are capable of bringing down foes from a distance with their bows. With traps, nature spirits, and a stable of loyal pets at their command, rangers can adapt to any situation.”

I would like to focus my attention on this particular sentence:
“Unparalleled archers, rangers are capable of bringing down foes from a distance with their bows.”

This video show it all:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ru_rXq2LYg0

I am not against pet but i would like some build diversity, make the beast-master trait more oriented to pet damage/condition/utility/whatever but give other option aswell, there are people who would like to rely less on the pet and people who want to kite and have the pet doing all the job, while other prefer a mix of both.

This is not WoW, we all know that, but to give you the example take the Hunter class, 3 different talent tree..survival, marksman, beastmaster, everyone happy.

The reason because i waste my time writing here is only one, I like the game and that’s why i want to see it improving.

I am a ranger and i feel happy about this video, just rerolled a war, i am 80 atm, gonna buy all berserker and personally hunt down every ranger i see on WvW, maybe they will realize how truly @@@@ they are

Thanks for sharing!

we are the only class that share damage with our summon, necromancer don’t get reduced damage for every minion they spawn, same apply to mesmer clone, and i am trowing thief in too, when he summon the 2 thief from the elite skill and 1 from the trap (total of 3) do he get his raw damage reduced?

you guys just don’t see the point here, our class mechanic trow us directly on the bottom of the usefulness list of this game.

Glad you are happy while making screenshot of your pet.

btw i rerolled a warrior, not even thinking about ranged build. I don’t need a surrogate of an archer, would you build a ranger tank?

http://www.gw2build.com/builds/simulator.php#1.2.12.11.0.0.0.0.0.0.29.39.38.47.50.0.0.41.0.0.0.0.0.0.107.115.0.121.128.132.138.145.0.0.0.20.30.20

greatsword has 2 movement skill that break immobilize, remove condition with heal and shout. nice aoe damage/immobilize with the hammer

awesome mobility, great control, amazing durability, good damage.

IMHO this could counter everything you trow at it.

Hammer them to death.

I don’t know which build you run, but warrior can remove a lot of condition via traits and sigil. shake it off remove a condition, a stun and has the potential of heal you also if trained, all of that on 20 sec cd.

Forget about precision and critical damage as raw stats and GG happy killing

A murloc.

Message Body length must at least be 15.

I support the idea of the lone ranger.
I don’t see why people wont support it.
nobody is forcing you to play whiteout your pet, but i am forced to play with it.

Chipster.6713:

It’s because people are ignorant and think that the word “ranger” = ranged dps, even though it’s clearly not.

You are right, this is the error i made. But is not because i am ignorant, the game tricked me.

I have played almost every MMO f2p/p2p on the planet, been an avid gamer since 15(27 now) and unfortunately every character with a bow (and a pet if you want too) was structured to be a physical ranged dps. And i must add, a pretty awesome too

But GW2 is so innovative that mess up with our idea of MMO games.

In fact I never trough a ranger could shot rainbows.

The obstructed bug is frustrating, and it really cut down our dps which isn’t that good anyway.

Yesterday i had a lot of fun on AC exp, my war is build Toug/Vit, hammer/greatsword with Valkyrie/Knight armor

While my ranger has a full set of Berserker and it run glass cannon lb/sb.

I ended up doing more damage with hundred blade than Rapid-Fire.

Let’s wait for the patch.

@aPutridCorpse.8792
Sorry mate, you where right, it was pretty confusing, hope it’s understandable now.

as far as my experience goes Ranger on WvW has 1 role, you are a walking arrow cart, therefore very useful to keep the enemy at distance and, last but not least, great for attacking the other raged class spamming from a keep.
The LB aoe paired with flame sigil can be very powerful if you are a glass cannon and a good placed rapid fire(with penetrating arrow) can really be painful.

Other than that i don’t know, i don’t see any reason to use any other build for WvW.

Meh, what problem and game-play issue i don’t get it…what about we fix the players swinging a sword and hitting other players behind a door? The word exploit is used too much today and for very poor reason.

Speaking about PVP, if you run with any semi decent guild you will be on TS, therefore you will know what’s coming regardless of what’s your effective line of sight is.

I don’t know which class/race you guys play, but i do love the ability to be more aware of the surrounding anyway, I don’t understand why u don’t?

was lovely i need that in game

reserved to add stuff :P

Now…the name is not appropriate since i haven’t think ed about it. but let call it Shaman from now on.

An mystic warrior using Exclusively and only Fist Weapon, Shaman draw power from their totem animals: Wolf, Bear, Rabbit, Hawk.

The class will be structured as following:
Your weapon skills set will be based on which Totem are you using, furthermore each totem grant an increased stats/buff. Similar to to Elementalist attunement, to give you an idea.

First Totem highlight;
Wolf: Wolf spirit grant our hero an innate resistance to condition and the ability to inflict heavy bleeding itself, as result of, -20% condition duration, remove one condition every 20 second. Also add 100 condition damage.

Weapon skill related to Wolf Totem will be something like that:

1) Bite: 3 strike chain, each of them add bleeding. low power/high condition dmg

2) Wolf strike: 400 range Leap to your target, knockdown for 1 second, inflict 5 second’s of cripple, 4 stack of weakness. 25 sec CD

3) Savage fury: 130 range, strike your foe multiple time inflicting bleeding on each hit
also cause 3 second immobilize.

4) Howl of agony: AoE attack that inflict 2 second of fear and 1 second of confusion immediately after the fear effect fades. 30sec CD

5)Leader of the pact: aoe buff, fury, swiftness, might. 20 sec CD

Now, second totem highlight:
Bear: Bear spirit grant our hero an increased vitality and allow health to regenerate while in combat, plus enable the ability to steal health on hit. And let’s increase our vitality by 100, shall we?

This is mainly something designed for survivability with some knockdown/support ability.

1)Maul: 4 strike chain, first add weakness, second add cripple(like 2 sec) third just damage and fourth add 3 seconds of fumble

2)Swipe: A simple AoE knockback, 300 range. 15 sec CD

3)Rush: Single target charge attack, inflict 5 second weakness 2 of cripple, low damage 300 range, 10 sec CD

4)Cover: Evade backward while crippling the area and activate your inner defense, increase vigor regeneration by 50%, give 3 second of regeneration and protection 25 second CD

5)Sacrifice: Leap to an ally, grant 4 second of regeneration and retaliation to him, consume 20% of your hp. 30 sec CD

Now lets talk about the:

Rabbit Totem: Rabbit spirit grant our hero an increased boon duration and the ability of move and attack faster than normal, you gain +20% speed, +40% attack speed, +20% boon duration, but i am afraid you lose 30% of your power. (precision build anyone? :P)

Weapon skill will be:
It is a work in progress, i do believe we should give it sort of ranged ability, so i have to think about that, and plus i really want to play now!

Let me know what do you think about if.

Guys, do you remember how awesome the zoom out was?
No?
Then i have a video for you:

I would really love to see this as a feature, it was amazing, so I( and a milion of other player i bet) would like to know if you are working on that to happen or we can forget about it and move on…

I still dream of it.

Still the best FOV i ever had was with the Mad King bug, oh man a whole new world…will they ever consider to make that FOV happen? i really would like to know

i am adding this video as a reminder of how AWESOME it was…

now i believe 90% of the people who experienced this felt in love. Any word from the high?

i was thinking about hammer/GS …

Ok nice point out thanks

Hello everybody, I just hit lvl 80 on my war and i would like some advice related to the gear i should craft/buy in order to be a very tankish/rotflstomper warrior.

I have a 10/0/30/30/0 in mind, i will focus on hammer for sure, as for second weapon set, I am not sure.

Maybe mace/mace or mace/shield or something that may be more useful, no idea right now

Ill give you some info about my play style that may help you..help me

I was thinking to prioritize vitality over toughness due to condition damages.

I wont run a shout build since i love too much those 3 utility : Bolas/Bull Charge/Endure Pain, so maybe i could forget about the 300 vitality from tactics, and pump up some power or crit, not sure

Thanks for your advise guys

The topic say why ppl complain about ranger, i love the archer archetype but the more i play my ranger the more i feel those issue:

1) very poor sustained dps at lvl 80 glass cannon, no burst.(if u tell me rapid fire qz is a burst ill roll a thief and instantgib you….)

2) several trait don fit at all, 30% pet speed on precision? O Rly?

3)if a player strafe quickly our arrow miss, add this to the obstructed bug and GG trowing your mouse out of the window.

4)pet…gonna catch them all…not saying anything about them, they don’t deserve any word.

5)melee weapon is indeed an unique and awesome addition to a ranged class…..i don’t believe that War and a thief will perform better than you at melee(don’t tell anybody but some time at range too)
But let’s go and specify:

Sword, i like them a lot, but the auto-attack root us in place.

Greatsword i cant stand the number 5 skill….50% extra damage for our pet. i don’t want to rely on a companion, when my companion refuse to attack moving target and force me to use an immobilize to do his job.

6)ranged weapon..so much diversity, we have 2 ranged weapon (the unlimited axe i am not counting it…cant stand that) 1 fit the condition damage build and the other is about pure damage…but wait, my sb out-damage my longbow with a power build…
don’t tell that to the devs or they will nerf the shortbow…..

oh wait they did already

7) traps, conditions they are good i must say, but necromancer can teach us a thing or too about condition damage and aoe debuff.

8)Spirits. I don’t know why but i never, ever wanted one of them in my limited utility slot, except for when i am on a keep sniping ppl and i don’t need any survival skill other than QZ

Saying that, this is honestly why i complain about rangers.
we are not incredible bad because, thanks to god, there is still people who don’t know how to play;
And if you can synergy good with the class, no matter all of those issue you can still kick some puppies back to home.

Said that, i have faith in Anet, they did a great job, this game is a masterpiece of artwork and i am really in love with it, pretty young too, wow is still unbalanced after about 2 millions of patch, and i know that devs are working hard to don’t fail like them

Ntranced.7415:

Every single MMO that comes out suffers the same issue. A bunch of nomad FoTM MMO players (who are mediocre at best) get hissy about a class and clog the forums up with nerf calls.

Developers react and nerf the class, almost always over-nerfing, but by the time the nerfs are in those same forum posters have moved on to the next FoTM MMO . End result is a useless class, most reasonable players who have skill and have researched how other classes play realize that class was nerfed too hard, but developers will almost never correct the over-nerf in case the forum whiners start up again.

In GW2 the class is the thief. I’m hoping GW2 devs are stronger than most.

the post contradict itself since “FoTM” mainly is composed by Thief, and Mesmer…now mesmer has no point on qq about thief since any decent skilled mesmer will wreak a thief, specially considering the % of you who can only play with 3 skill combo and backpedal when they are on CD

my pet only dies when i want to, you know why? it is on passive..call me noob but as a glass cannon ranger the pet is useful only when he is out of trouble, f2 and protect me that’s the maximum i can get from a pet right now, and yes i have tried a “beast master signet” build, didn’t work that well since it has good synergy with GS 5 ability and sword/horn and we all know sword MH is a cat puppy

Sco.9615:

swilkers.5938:

Thighum.7295:

Our profession mechanic is pets….

Why are you talking about rifles….?

If you are trying to say that you want rangers to be able to make glass canon burst builds that are just as effective as other classes, I agree, even though this has nothing to do with our profession mechanic.

Why limit the Ranger to the bow? There is a meh burst build available but it does have everything to do with the mechanic if you break it down. Why should the thief and others get guns and we don’t?

Because gun are tech and Devs have already stated they don’t want a character skilled in the use of Nature and one with Animals to be using tech. Lore my friend, Lore. It doesn’t change. It has nothing to do about Rangers hating the rifle… it has to do with Ranger lore being anti rifle. On that same note, how is “I want a rifle” not Longbow hate? Unless of course you simply want the aesthetics of a Rifle.. in which case this is a entirely different post altogether.

Edit: It isn’t hate to point out this thread was clearly wrongly named out of ignorance or deception. On top of that you quoted a guy who agreed with your main point of “we want a burst” and called it hate further aiding the fact this was a thread about getting a rifle above all else.

I do agree with you in everything, but the make longbow more powerful then rifle, should we the best non caster ranged dps? as far as i know warrior rifle has bore burst the ranger LB and IMHO this is like a whole bunch of cat babies

it is not useless to spec glass cannon, well it is right now, for sure since our damage is not that Cannon but we still are made of glass…

But in theory with 1500 range we should be able to stay out of serious trouble if we play smart and with a group of skilled players.

The only thing that u cant ever do is ress a player…ppl wont understand that but being 1500 range from enemy mean being 1499 range from our allies too and if we get closer we die.

we are extremely squishy for sure, but lightning reflex, protect me and the shortbow evade shot saved my cat far more often than 5k extra hp.

no one realized my sarcasm? delusional..

Hello there welcome to gw2 which class did u played on wow mainly?
Anyway, you start to see other player around lvl25? don’t really remember well since i am leveling up on WvW most of the time.

About rangers the stat’s you need depend on your build, weapon choice.
For leveling up i suggest power/precision the third one could be critical damage or anything you want.
This way you maximize your raw damage at cost of durability

to get fast xp and the best experience out of this game i suggest you to don’t rush to level 80, exploring area’s gathering and crafting give you a large amount of XP, and you also get xp from map completion, (gw2chartograper helps)

About guide for ranger, I have no idea, but if you are an adventuring player you could try yourself going to heart of mist(2 sword crossed top left) and experiment various build/mechanics of the class. This will give you the general idea of the class and will help you developing your character in the way you like, or at least helped me to do so.

There is no rested in GW2 and the gem system allow you to buy cosmetics and utility like additional bag slot’s but be aware you can trade in-game currency for get so technically you can fully enjoy the game whiteout spending a single $.

Yes ranger pet are incredibly OP, specially in pvp where they can hit a target even if it move very very fast, on pve they are incredible, nothing hit me since their aggro hold is amazing.

pet is awesome i love it.

nerf pet.

the max rapid fire i hit was around 12k, ofc on WvW vs some lvl 12 squishy, the overall damage from 1500 vs a lvl 80 player is 2.4k while rapid fire hitting for 8k…imho pretty kitten low.

10 day and we will know, doubt they will say anything, i don’t want to be pessimistic but i don’t expect any significant change, probably it wont ever be the ranged dps i dreamed about, ( sniper dude similar to the hawkeye from lineage2)

That’s the cap my friend, I feel the pain….can’t go higher but you could lose some of your stat’s in exchange for a 48s QZ, that’s my stats but i am not running 30 power/prec took the trait for 20% cd on survival skills and 2 sec QZ on pet swap

It’s WoW rogues all over again, we’ll get nerfed to the ground thanks to a plethora of uninformed terrible players and be useless for many months but the skilled ones will still own and all will watch in envy, your tears are delish~

I played rogue for around 4 years on WoW. we where INSANE..do you remember when we could stunlock people to death? before diminishing return and preparation nerf?? oh man it was fun, pretty faceroll but fun for us.
You could take down anyone with this combo…i still remember the rotation…must have been something like.. premeditation, cheapshot, eviscerate, vanish, cheapshot 2xsinister strike, kidney shot, some sinister strike blind restealth cheapshot preparation and so on…

Sorry my sweet memory drove me away, but again it was awesome when we had the nerf because the community finally split in 2, terrible players FOTM defenders and ppl who could actually play the class…of course the majority of baddy cried a lot and moved to affliction warlock.

I am expecting an huge increase of Mesmer on GW2.

they will for sure delete this post, glad to see you are contributing to make this forum a better place with your post.

Salt.3608:

Seriously. It’s not fun when we constantly get nerfed because other classes don’t know how to play.

because thief was perfectly fine from the start and he just got nerfed because people didn’t know how to play….ah ah ah….
i mean…are you seriously serious?
Thief deserved any single nerf he got, but you are saying something very intelligent in your post after all, buff others so that this game could be like a Western movie, 1 shot, quickest draw win.

btw what’s the story of anet giving gems? probably i will get an infraction for answering you but you really made me smile

thief is 50/50, if they render on my screen or i see them coming or they don’t do 15k of backstab i can kill them doing some magic, if they popup behind me and they still attack while on stealth(rendering issue) i am done since that usually happen when you are focused on another 20 ppl. Best friend vs thief is entangle, but only if u survive enough to cast it.

elementalist…never fight one on 1v1 except on spvp, but i was running a build focused on pet/survivability/signet-share with sword/warhorn/LB
10 minute each fight, he won 3:0, very much not my fault since pet was rolling around with no purpose, no matter how much i spammed f1/f2.. and sword..i lost one of the fight because i could literally not move to finish him off

Mesmer…now that’s funny, i hate them, but the penetrating arrow help a lot, if you position yourself good those illusion are good to go, pretty hard to hit the mesmer with rapid fire, some time i end up wasting QZ since he disappear on my face

warrior,guardian depend if they spec full defense is going to be a long fight and i cant endure like they do, and my damage is very low vs them.
100b warrior other hands, are silly, all u need to do is stunbreak but only when they activate frenzy, then u have to choice, entangle, QZ, rapidfire, then knockback, swap on SB, swap pet(dog) immobilize. finish it.

necromancer…rarely fought some on 1vs1, but i remember once a guy that completely out-damaged me while on transformation elite, he was doing 3,5k cit with that flying hand, he facemelted me

Hi guys i would like some critic/discussion about this build i came up for WvW sniping, light skirmisher:

http://www.gw2build.com/builds/simulator.php#1.6.9.10.0.0.0.0.0.0.131.144.145.301.152.2.2.44.376.383.385.392.400.0.411.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.30.25.10.0.5

the main problem i encountered with this build is that i cant ress anyone…lol…since i am sitting as far as possible from the enemy zerg and if i go near them ill last 2 shot, secondary issue, i believe the damage is still low, but cant see any way to significantly improve it.
Running with a bear and a moa, soon moving to a dog and a spider for the immobilize skill, pet ofc passive he never get to fight.

i was thinking to change utility when i am on a keep defending with something like this:
http://www.gw2build.com/builds/simulator.php#1.6.9.10.0.0.0.0.0.0.133.145.146.148.151.2.2.44.376.383.385.392.400.0.411.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.30.25.10.0.5

didn’t tried it on the field yet since i am lolling a bit whit my war alt.

attached my stats obtained with full berserker’s gear

any toughs?

@ stonewolf
Please tell me how to hit for 3k-4k or so on a critical at max range…i am not trolling but there is something wrong with my ranger then, the screen show the stats, i am using scholar rune everything else is exotic berserker’s i got 30/25/10/0/5 trait’s and 94%crit damage…
when i see 3k+ crit is because i target an up-levelled character.
What i am doing wrong?
ah don’t mind the utility bar i was testing something

Sorry cant quote but i would like to answer to Narkosys.5173
your message was:

I agree that it is really sad right now. This should be a place were we come together and share ideas and builds and see what is best for our playstyles.
It is a sorry state of affairs and the devs need to stop listening to these whiners.
Even if there was only 1 class in the game they would QQ for a nerf cause they got spanked.
If I lose I think the person was better but for some reason people these days cant lose
or that it is impossible for someone to be better and I just dont get it.
Not to mention they dont bother or simply cant comprehend other class mechanics – that is also not my fault or problem.

I do believe that communication is our only way to improve our gaming experience, and because of that i am happy when someone start to QQ for something, 60% of the case could be answered with a simple L2P, as most of people like to.
But there is also some truth in people whine, the reason because you don’t see it is simple: you are enjoying the “OP” train.
When you are playing an unbalanced character you start to think that you are really good and the players around you are simply bad. I am afraid in most of the case that’s a sweet lie.
Whine should be made, taken in consideration, and fixed if it’s the case, after all with such a young game like GW2 we are also testers.