Guild Wars 2

ArchNemesis.4897:

People have trouble dealing with things they cants see, even if it is for a few seconds. The whole reason Anet didn’t put perma stealth in was to counter whining and to allow people to prepare for a thief. Problem: people don’t know jack about the thief. I dont know how many times I have explained to guildies and party members on various thief mechanics. People are completely oblivious to how stealth even works.

tl;dr: bads gonna bad

I would seriously love perma stealth on thieves and only 1 “vanish” skill with a decent CD like 30 seconds…

Don’t take the coming line of text wrong please:
IMHO the best stealthy class ever made is the Rogue from wow, if you played one, you must know what i am talking about.

Now the “problem” with thief on GW2 is one and only(not counting rendering issue)…it’s too simple to re-stealth. So you end up having an almost permanent stealth wile on fight, which is worst then permanent stealth out of combat

You have way too many and easy ways to enter in stealth land your burst skill, and get out.

I mean it should be a bit more complicated, IMHO stealth should be completely reworked probably (sorry if a say that) in a less innovative way, but for sure more balanced, you know what i mean do you?

Peace.

longbow, short-bow, war-horn on WvW, everything on sPVP. 2 different build ofc

i wonder how many of you are lvl 80 on full exotic, and if you have tried any other class on a similar build idea. if you go to read the thief forum for a minute you will find line of text like those:

Ashanor.5319:

Webley.1295:

Thats what the ranger class is for guys…..

its not fair on other classes if this actually makes it

Err no. Ranger is for people who like to play Pokemon and let their pet do 50% of their damage, or people who like to auto attack things to death. Just kidding rangers, sorry they destroyed you in beta.

Also, we already have ranged options. It’s just that P/P is a little underpowered currently so not many play it.

take a minute and go to read this topic:
I beg you, give Thief rifle, with a sniper like skillsetup
you will be amused.

Thieves of all the world, go to roll a ranger and build it glass cannon, then tell me if you still have the guts to complain about your incoming nerf.

btw that’s the build, i should say it is very effective considering how pet is bugged and sword root u in places, as pet i use the dog and a spider because of the immobilize, it is really our only chance for the pet to attack.

http://www.gw2build.com/builds/simulator.php#1.6.3.9.21.0.0.0.0.0.131.140.141.300.152.3.3.28.381.379.386.391.396.0.0.0.0.422.430.0.0.0.0.30.20.0.20.0

i am trying LB SW/WH with majority of trait to increase the pet bonus damage/utility and my survivability, it doesn’t work…it should but it doesn’t because pet is dumb.
i will try your weapon combo, what about traits?

it’s a bug, hopefully will be addressed in 2 week

Hello there, thanks for the reply, it is good that you are testing but could we get some sort of information about what are your plans? it wont hurt anyone to know the upcoming changes, even partially or with an “it may change”. maybe create a locked tread when some moderator could tell us what’s in your mind, i am drowning on a sea of dilemmas, will the pet work properly? will my damage be up to other class? will i be forced to play condition? can i remove my pet and decide to play alone with an increased damage? shall i farm for a +healing set? and so on.
Please consider to keep us informed on what is your idea. It will be awesome

Wild Horse, 80 ranger LB/SB lover, pet hater.

excuse me but that’s what i read in the topic heading:
QQ backstab, instead learn to play.
my interpretation is a bit more crude but there are multiple way to say the same thing. peace and let’s hope anet balance everyone instead of just nerf u guys.

i am afraid i should have rolled an engineer, ranger does not cut it, i am so screwed, invested so much time to build my dream archer, full geared to exotic of the berserker….keep saying to myself" damage will increase" and my damage is /lol, the only thing i can really do successfully is sit on a tower and snipe people. and even in that case my damage is / almostlol.

forcing myself to 1500 range, paying attention to the surrounding and positioning, and then unleashing QZ+RF only to get a truck load OBSTRUCTED line of text and 800 damage.

i really hope the upcoming patch will show some love for us…roll thieves all the way otherwise.

look here…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-udk3CEtc7E

awesome then lets change the name of the game in Thief Wars 2!

with an overall damage decrease of 20% on all the skill..it could still kill players in less than 3 second, i don’t believe u got such a nerf since that video was posted, do you?

ill try to keep constructive but..guys

let’s focus on that, u think that’s ok right?

overrated wall of text, mainly professor" I’m pro u suck l2p" style…
sir no offense in that be aware, but honestly i don’t think any thief should tell anyone: before QQ l2p since, let’s face it, the thief is the most OP class on GW2 (damage wise).

I hate people crying just because they don’t know how to dodge that’s true, or they expect to survive going on glass cannon build while standing afk.

But still guys…in terms of damage no single class can compare to you, and i am not taking account of the perma stealth bug.

Again let’s be honest, i am not a fan of nerfing, IMHO there is much work to do and around other classes before nerfing thief.

First they should fix the rendering bug which i believe is the main cause of the hate vs thief,(at least mine) then they should boost other class damage to make pair with thieves nonsense burst damage(if specced glass cannon), then least but not last toughness should count much more in terms of defense.

IF they do that(but they wont) you will have more balance, glass cannon players could happy 2 shot each other while tankish players wont complain about getting 10k backstab.

Long story short for the devs:

Increase the % of damage absorbed for every point of toughness AFTER a certain amount is obtained, like 1500.

Increase damage for every class who spec power/precision, if thief or warrior(lets forget thief for a sec) can do 15k damage instant from 1500 range why should a ranger(glass cannon) be doing 8k on a 5 sec channeled?

if you do that people will stop to QQ for a while giving you time to go in each class and fix it, simple as that.

-Kill The Pet-

this line WIN so much…i agree.

they need to remove the gold=commander status before everything else.
Put some sort of Honor Point or similar and make commander status be available with that.
Ah please rework the token system with something more suitable and cool for pvp. the whole idea of killing a player and get a bag down your feet is so weird and it does not really feel that next gen mmo.

Hehe, did you understand that ranged < melee dmg in this game? It definitely looks that way, I can´t deliver 8K dmg with my pistols or shortbow and its only for 900 range… And even with my backstab (if you´re still looking at the WvW screenshot, you just know nothing about the game – If I create lvl 1 mesmer and go to WvW, I will be punished with these hits too, but not because backstab is OP, but because a low lvl char sux in WvW, just like that…)

now now…im not complaining about the thief doing instagib damage, i am complaining because thief is the only class in the game that can deliver such high damage using only 2 braincell, you keep defend your class i understand, but is so funny when u think the only issue is about bad players, when in fact the bad player is usually a THIEF…
you are all running on a FOTM class…the average skill level of the thief player is none but STILL u can kill people and seems like thief plyers are the only one who understand the game, do yourself a favor, and i am not trolling, I jumped myself on Spvp with no knowledge of thief class and it was literally facerolling players just banging my fingers on the keyboard. Stop QQ and face the truth…your class is broken, and without a broken class you are not so good, that’s what u fear.

sorry krathalos i cant write and read new post at the same time >.>
i agree with u in that:
I also think it’s hilarious you are comparing your “maxed out auto attack damage” to a class’s main burst ability. Hint: Ranger’s Long bow and Short bow aren’t based off burst. They’re based off constant, ranged DPS. Apples and oranges.

well the “maxed out auto attack damage” is the highest DPS skill available for the profession if you don’t count quickness+rapid fire
And that just confirm my theory, thief is the class that mostly benefit from the glass cannon spec.
And yeah i talked about warriors because someone was comparing their damage to thief.

guys no one in the game can deliver such damage as a thief right now..all of your skill are instant, don’t compare them with 100b since that skill is a chain and the player can just move away /lol ….same apply for the kill shot…u can just walk away, interrupt LOS /lol
Lets be honest here, i played thief on Spvp, not WvW and it is the only class that is effective if spec’d as glass cannon and IMHO that’s not right, as said before you don’t need any damage nerf im super fine with being 3 shotted, but kitten let me 3 shot too…
I am telling u that, i am fully GC ranger with every single piece of berserker armor/weapon/jewels and a scholar rune and i hit 2.4k critical on a guardian with similar stats of the guy in the screenshot. that’s from my maxed out autoattack damage, i may deliver a 6k if the guy is AFK and every single shot of my chain skill crit…
i do believe that’s fair from unbalanced since i take 2 shot to die.
So people should stop crying for nerf and ask a damage increase to match your damage guys.

well or i could play mesmer and kitten with people mind, the point there is 1 if a player decide to sacrifice all of they defensive stats and go full glass cannon should be able to do do that kind of damage, no problem with that, but atm only thief can deliver such damage on such easy way’s (not counting the stealth bug…) and that’s annoying for ppl who don’t want to play thief…keep your instant kill build but give everyone the possibility to do such.

hum cant quote but comparing this game to diablo 3 does not make sense, d3 is not a competitive game.
regarding to thief he does way too much damage compared to other glass cannon, the class has the highest damage spike, the better mobility and stealth, don’t be silly and admit that.
But i do agree Thief don’t need a damage reduction, all other classes need a damage increase so that I, as a ranger, can deliver 8k damage with an instant attack too, i don’t mind about stealth since we have 1500 range, that’s a fair trade no?

if it was for me i would remove the pet completely…i hate them because AN decided to low our damage because of them…and now at lvl 80 full glass cannon on exotic gear of the berserker…i do 2.4k crit with a longbow from 1500 range….wish they will give us the option to send them away and restore our damage.

i am enjoying ranger even if they need some serious fix, I am playing full glass cannon mainly on WvW LB/SW it is a good class if u like the sniper play-style or u have the patience to think about positioning before to attack, or at least that’s the only think I can do right now since we don’t really shine in anything else

we need light-sabers skins….now.

Charged shot is nice but i would change it on a single shot burst pure damage…

Ready an arrow that does more damage and is more likely to land a critical strike, the longer it is charged. Pressing once readies the arrow, pressing again releases it.
Warning at max extend you will suffer 5 second of bleed or something else

1s: +120% auto-attack damage, +50% chance to Critically hit
2s: +180% auto-attack damage, +55% chance to Critically hit
3s: +240% auto-attack damage, 60% chance to Critically hit
4s: +300% auto-attack damage, 65% chance to Critically hit
5s: +500% auto-attack damage 70% chance to Critically hit, inflict random debuff to the user

it will be like hitting 5 shot in 5 second and with a nice 100% crit…is not that op as it sound…lets say i can it for 2k on max range vs a tough guy….it will be just 10k damage i see warriors doing that already with a kitten rifle…
AH forgot that, 5 second cd.

The option to play without a pet for an increase damage on ranged weapon…like a skill called Forever Alone: your sadness and loneliness became rage, damage, speed, attack speed are incremented by 20%

Well no I cant accept that our weapon do less damage because we have a pet…especially if i spec power/precision….i don’t care about pet in fact i use them passively just for f2 and protect me…if u want to rely on pet then spec BM, that should be the rule, since u wont have a power/prec combo in that case.

But you know the thing that most bother me?
Warrior capable of doing 12k of damage with a rifle…single shot…we can do the same with a chain attack if every hit crits and our target is afk…
We need some one shot burst skill with that longbow, remove number 3(weakness) and put something like “sniper shot” with a mechanic similar to the catapult (charging bar) that does a fair amount of damage and will be awesome for snipers ranger, because that’s our role when we use a longbow.

Also the entangle skill…please change that thing animation/usage give us the ability to chose where to drop it…

That’s my baby…o gosh she is so hot

will they fix the bug where u get OBSTRUCTED in the middle of nowhere? so annoying seriously why..

DanH.5879:

and another QQ thieves are op thread. i guess the weekly nerf is just not enough…

dude it’s bug abusing, name me any Rogue class in history of MMO who is able to kill you while stealth-ed…come on…name it..
Oh wait you cant.

It’s not about nerfing it’s about fixing a mechanic which is being abused by lame players, there is no space for opinions regarding this issue, it is a must fix, sooner than later.

consider also that if your elite are so OP you wont be able to play until they are available again…as a ranger my elite is an ultimate resource to get the hell out of the place not something strictly necessary to win. The only thing that i miss on gw2 is the elite skill hunting…they should do that it was awesome

Just one thing, yesterday i was able to zoom out much farther than usual…does anyone know how to increase the zoom range? it was absolutely awesome, was almost like diablo3 camera….so amazing…how can i do that again T.T and if it was a bug please devs consider to add that as a feature, it was incredible…i need that..

Sir…that’s awesome, a whole new game for me!
Thanks for your hard work guys.