Guild Wars 2

Tom Gore.4035:

However, don’t listen to anyone saying you don’t need an SSD. They are people who haven’t tried to have an SSD for a system drive yet, or are just jelly because they can’t afford one.

I have an SSD, its great, but it doesnt increase game performance in any measurable way. Note i said measurable. You can perceve it, if u have sensative senses. You can just about notice a little less stuttering in some casses.
But thats about it, the only thing it does is speed up loading times, so its more for convienience than performance. Hence why its not a priority when ur on a budget.
Price/performance wise its about as sensable to get an SSD over a HDD as getting a GTX Titan over a GTX 780.. you only get it if u have spare cash buring a whole in your pocket.

If i were u i would get ether a
LGA 1155 3570k (i5 with reasonable OC’ing)
or
LGA 1150 4670k (newer i5 but hotter running)

With only 1000 euro at ur disposal your bassicaly looking at i5’s.
You want to spend a good portion of ur budget on the GPU, a generaly good rule of thumb is to spend double that what u spend on a CPU. So if u spend 200 euro on ur CPU , spend 400 on ur GPU ..be it SLI or single card. But for tight full system budgets its just a guidline more than a actual ‘rule’.

My adivce ..go for somthing simular to this.
http://uk.pcpartpicker.com/p/1kDdB
1000 euro = ~£800 iirc. Ofcourse i know pricing doesnt always work that way so…see what u can get simular to this and u will be good for a couple years.

Remember SSD’s are not a requirment and should only ever be included in a build when u have plenty of money spare, they aint cheap and give negligable performance increases in game. For you , stick with a regular HDD for now.
Also, u could easily go up on that GPU to somthing better if u ‘aquire’ Windows 7 64bit by other means :P

Fork out the extra for an i5 3rd or 4th gen CPU. Higher the clock the better.

GPU only needs to be a 7790 amd or better, or a Nvidia 650 or better.

Not saying amd are crpa but if ur buying with the intention to play GW2 , specialy WvW and other populated areas then Intel is the way to go, asuming u get a good intel CPU.

Note there are 2 different verson of the 7870. If its a Tahiti 7870(1536 cores) then yes its much better than a 650ti, if its a old 7870 (1280cores) its closer(though still better) to the 650ti.

The intel i7 3820 although not a k version it can OC like a champ.
You can ether max out the multiplier at 100 base clock for a low level OC. Or you can set the Base clock to somthing like 125 and set multipier to 36 to get 4.5ghz. Ofcourse you wll have to tweek other settings like voltage and LLC.
Anyway point is, your on the LGA 2011 chipset, the only reason to get the 3930k which is the next best cpu, would be to get the extra cores. Otherwise for GW2, just OC your current CPU. It will OC well if u spend the time on it.

Also as others have said, adjust ur ingame settings, the main ones for WvW are the culling settings. Set them to highest on the characterl imit and low on the texture limit. Also turn reflections to terrian and sky ..or completly of, they are borked and just use up performance even when there are no reflections to render. The rest of the graphics options u set to what ever ur GPU can handle.

Nvidia side, A 680/770 or higher i would recommend. AMD side, 7970 or 7970ghz.

To be honest i wouldnt go 1440p unless I had a 780, main reason being that in some games even at 1080p a single 780 when using absolute max game settings, can drop below 60 FPS. But for GW2 a 770 or 7970ghz will be fine.

Keep in mind though, if u havnt gone 1440p yet on ur monitor, that in early 2014 Asus will have their 39" 4k monitor coming out and it ‘should’ be relativly cheap for what it is ~$1000 (much cheaper than their 31.5" IGZO 4k one atleast). And tbh if any1 is still on 1080p like myself, it will deffiantly be worth waiting on upgrading ur VDU till 4k is out at more reasonable prices. Then ofc you will need at minimum a GTX 780, recommended 2 in SLI.
Its expensive but 4k is to die for 113PPI at 39" size is just mmmmm.sooo nice.

Indeed, Software can cause high load but will not cause overheating.
Overheating will only happen if u have not got the hardware to cool the system, or have it setup incorrectly.
For example, stock cpu coolers are generaly total tat and will only keep things cool under moderate load. Its ALWAYS a good idea to get a relativly cheap aftermarket cooler for your CPU right form the get go even if ur not going to OC.

As above. OC or change to intel.

Also, the 7970 is by no means overkill for 1080p gameplay, so have at it
Hell even a GTX 780 is not overkill for 1080p gameplay.
Those that say otherwise obviosly do not play the right games or use max settings. Metro, Farcry3,Crysis 3..games like those when maxed out and with MSAA at 1080p can make even a GTX Titan sweat. Ofcourse this also depends on your definition of ‘playable’ or ‘good’ FPS. For me in games like those, its 60fps + or quits.
Even in GW2 when not CPU bound a 7970 wil be hard pressed to have high FPS when using SuperSampling.

You wont get very good performance in populated area’s with a 3517U CPU. IIRC that CPU is about the same as a stock Intle Core 2 Quad Q6600 desktop CPU, and they canot handle GW2’s populated areas very wel lat all.

WHat you want as a minimum CPU for a laptop, for cpu intensive games like GW2, is a 3630QM/4700MQ.

Roland Dragonne.7384:

For desktop/tower systems also make sure the fans are blowing in the proper direction (home-built systems often have this problem). Front/top fans should always blow in, rear/bottom should always blow out. Side fans can be in or out, depending on configuration/location (if they are right next to CPU/GPU, let them blow in, otherwise out).

I know its an old post but since this thread was necro’d i have to point out somthing so new users dont get incorrect info.

Front and Bottom fans need to be intakes.
Rear and Top fans as exhaust.
You do NOT want to go against convection. Heat rises, so top fans are always exhaust.
If your case has a side fan put that as intake also so it blows air onto your GPU’s. This also helps create a positive air presure system to reduce dust buildup.

A 3630QM and 660m are the minimum i would recommened to any1 wanting a gaming laptop. It should handle GW2 at high settings, it will ofc struggle alot with WvW and populated areas though..like all laptops with mobile processors.

Do remember that even non k edition intel CPU’s can Overclock to some degree. Try overkittening ur current CPU first. Max out the multiplier to see how far u can go on that, then start fidling with the base clock.
At the very least u should be able to get 3.9ghz from the multiplier, and if u spend some time tweeking the base clock u should be able to reach 4ghz. You shouldnt need to fiddle with the voltages at these low OC’s.

Anyway try that first before upgrading to a K version. 3.7ghz to 4ghz shuld show some improvment, even more so if ur CPU does not actually run at 3,7ghz when all 4 cores are in use, which i think is the case (u might actualy be at 3.6ghz with all 4cores going)

Overclocking ur current CPU will improve performance a tad, but you will get drasticaly more by buying a 4670k or 4770k. They are in another league bassicaly.

The new cpu will requir a LGA 1150 motherboard, and also new DDR3 RAM 1600mhz or higher.

Along with that, for performance reasons, u would want a newer GPU. Somthing like the Nvidia 760 at minimum if u want good FPS. Personaly i sugest, if u can, to get a Nvidia 770 or AMD 7970ghz if they stay within budget.

The Intel 4th gen Haswell CPU’s use new low power states and so if u want to fully utilize the new CPU’s powersaving features u will need a PSU rated and capable of holding stable power at very low usage. Idle CPU usage of a 4770k for example is <4w from my own experiance (total system usage higher ofc). You can still use older PSU’s with the new Haswell CPU’s , u just wont be able to keep the new C-States active in the Bios.(u would have to disable them otherwise u risk the system crashing when idle due to unstable power)

If your looking to upgrade, and in ur case build a whole new rig. Then u will need a budget of atleast 850 euro’s. I cant say for exac if tha would b enough for the below list of parts, but going by exchange rates it should be close.
http://uk.pcpartpicker.com/p/1gZsQ
Bassicaly take those parts or simalar, combine them with parts from your current rig. (Like Hard Drive, Optical drive , OS etc.) And your rig will be ready.

Avelos.6798:

Ricky.4706:

there isn’t much of a big difference between high end water coolers and air coolers,

Tell that to my Corsair H100 and Cooler Master Hyper 212 Plus. Both are great but in my case, the H100 does a helluva lot better.

The CM H212Plus isnt a top end air cooler, its a very good price/perf cooler, but the best air coolers are like 3 times the price (still cheaper than H100’s and the like). The NH-D14, Silver Arrow, and other competitors are as good as a H100 at clocks & voltages that both can handle. However the h100 can keep going onto higher voltages after the D14 stops being usuable at 85c +.
For example the D14 can arguable handle a 3930k/3960x/3970x at 1.4v but thats it absolute max. After u go above 1.4v the H100 can stay ontop of the heat for a little longer, not much longer, but still.
Most people say that if ur using clocks and voltages that a NH-D14 can handle, dont bother with a AIO water system becouse although they dont take up as much room over the CPU, the radiators can, and with their stock fans they can be rather noisy at load, the D14 on the other hand is pritty much the questest cooler out there with exception of passive ones thanks to the great Noctua fans.

Software cannot directly cause hardware to overheat. All* hardware is designed to run at max load in all forms, not just direct GPU load.
If your card is hitting 100c then its deffinatly got a physical issue causing it.
It will ‘likely’ be one of hte following.
1)Fans not working/to slow (change fan profile)
2)Fans/heatsink clogged/dirty (clean them)
3)Extremely poor case airflow (keep case vents unobstructed and ensure intake and out fans are working)
4)GPU heatsink/TIM issues (reseat the heatsink with new TIM)
5)faulty GPU (RMA/downclock)

As i said hardware is designed to run at max loads, there may be ways to eleviate this issue on a software side but that will not fix the route cause, it wil just hide it. Make sure to fix the issue at the source (the graphics card).

*Exceptions to this rule are when using very low performing hardware and/or laptop bassed hardware that is aimed to be used lightly and not put under heavy load for extended lengths.

Asuming you transfer over your graphics card to the new system u will notice a good increase in FPS in crowded area’s, and even in pve environments if atm your gpu isnt being fully utilized, which i have seen happen with C2Q cpu systems (a gtx 460 wasnt being fully used even in pve due to cpu restraints).

Well the thing is, there are situations in GW2 where an i5 can max out in total utilisation, at which point it isnt the single thread speed slowing u down, its simply a matter of capacity (not enough CPU threads available) at which point an i7 become very usfull.

Now these situations are few and far between. The last time i saw it was in one of the large story driven events(i havnt played much recently) ..i think one of them was the karka invasion, where i saw somthing like 60% usuage on my CPU and had guildies i5’kitten 99%. Note that 60% total utilisation on my CPU = roughly 7 threads. An i5 has 4 threads, an i7 has 8, a i7e has 12.
This be why, if u can afford to budget for an i7, u should get one.
Besides at this point in time u have to start thinking about future games being developed for the XboxOne’eighty’ and PS4. They will be designed with 8cores in mind, those games then ported over ether directly or indirectly, using the same core engine/threading, to the PC will favor i7’s and FX8k CPU’s over their lower thread count counteparts.
And you can safely asume this will hapen as the CPU’s in the new consols are not very powerfull per core, infact they are pritty slow, so game developers will HAVE to utilise as many as possible to get the CPU’s total performance for next gen consol games.

While it does sound bias, that’s only because its a bit to broad a statement.

Intel is better for games, no doubt, BUT you will only notice it when u come across a game that is heavily CPU bound.
GW2 obviously is one extreme example. Some others however are MechWarrior Online, and Crysis 3 (assuming Dual or Triple SLI to keep the bottleneck CPU side). They both show increased FPS with Intel CPU’s due to Intel’s faster ,and unquestionable, single thread performance.
So a 3770 or a 8320 ..for gaming I would go Intel hands down. FYI the non k can still be OC’d .. just not as far, I think its limited to 300 or 400mhz over stock turbo clock speed.

Sounds fair from a performance stand point.
The 2500k is a 2nd gen. The 3570k is its 3rd gen equivalent. The 4670k is the 4th gen equivalent. The difference btween each one is about 7% more or less.
The 7970 again is a good GPU.
I cant say for sure but im pritty sure that rig brand new if u can find a 2500k new, would be around 1000 euro’s.
If u know the person who is selling it and know the rig has been looked after in its time, then go ahead and buy it. If not, u may want to ask a few questions about how its been used ..i.e overclocking and such and why its being sold. (its likely just due to a up grade but always good to know).

IMO that second hand rig is betetr than the brand new one u listed below. The 760 is a lower end card even though tis newer. The 4430 probably faster at stock but it can only OC so far, the 2500k is a OC monster, if u got a AIO water cooler as good as a Corsair H100 u can get 5ghz out of it..the water cooler listed i dont know much about, im pritty sure its as good as a h100 though noiser, but i would be suprised if u couldnt get 4.5ghz out of it..i can get 4.6ghz out of the 2500k’s 6 core HT’d equivalent the 3930k and thats on air …so yea ..like all sandybridge 2nd gen k CPU’s u shouldnt have a problem hitting 4.5ghz.

I can vouch for the Gigabyte board, a recent build i done for a family member uses it with a 4770k cpu.
I would also say go for the Asus. The DCUII cooler is very good.

You get ur motherboard bassed on a few things.
Sata ports.
PCI-E lanes (SLI/Xfire or not)
Overclocking*

*This is the big one, the more power phases, better caps, heatsinks ..the more it can overclock. The really expensive motherboards also have extra overclocking utilities available including hardware ..like voltage measurment points, hardwired on/off button, bios reset swtich, dual bios chip etc etc.

So to be honest u only need to go so far, there is a good middle point with most motherboards where they are good enough quality for most people, with good overclocking ability and enough ports and SLI capability. They usualy cost around $135.

So whilst arguably its the most important part becouse everything plugs into it… everythign also plugs into the PSU ..including the motherboard ..so that is deffiantly the ONE item u do NOT want to skimp on..if the PSU blows. .it could take everything plugged into it with it.
Also keep in mind for intel ..they like to change their chipset every new CPU generation anyway so u will likely change motherboard when u change CPU with intel ..its one of their downsides

WvW zergs = CPU side.

If u want better performance u will have to Overclock ur CPU and/or set ur culling settings low (i.e dont have them both on highest.. have them on medium) ..or get a new CPU like a intel i5 4670k (not a AMD CPU becouse u will be in the same boat u r now unfortuantly)

Without any budget i cant really help sugest cost effective alternatives.

However going simply on what u have listed i would say spend an extra $40 on the GPU and get the just released GTX 760.

CPU wise, that CPU is one of AMD’s best but if u want the best out of GW2, specialy in WvW, then u will want a Intel. Maybe a i5 4670k.

But like i said, i cant make a more informed sugestion unlessi know ur price limits.

Ok i purposly overlooked a better cpu cooler becouse it seemed that you were on a tight budget and just wanted to get a gaming rig and be done.

However if u r interested in OC’ing then yes u can get the 650ti to save some money and buy a aftermarket CPU cooler with the remander of ur budget. Somthing like the coolemraster 212 Evo or better so that u can atleast OC the 4670k a tad over stock.

I mean if u want the ‘door open’ then u can stickwith the stock cooler and just buy an aftermarket one when u do want to OC down the road.. that way u can get more performance NOW with getting a 660 GPU.. then OC the cpu later once u got some spare change for a aftermarket cooler.
Ur bassicaly getitng the stock cooler for free anyway so replacing it wont be wasting an money. However getting a 650ti + aftermakret cooler now mean well .u wont be upgrading the GPU any time sooner becouse thats another $200+ .

My advice ..get the 660 ..stick with the stock cooler. .its alot easier to save up ~$30-$80 for a CPU cooler than another $200+ for a better graphics card.

650 = ~$100

The SSD will save ~$130

If u take say ~$30 for the extra cost of the 4670k and its MB over the 3570k and MB
Then ur left with ~$100
So ~$100 onto the $100 of the 650 meanshe/she could get a Nvidia 660 or a standard AMD 7870.
Out of the 2 i would go for the 660 as iirc only the 7870ghz edition and 7870XT/LE edition can beat or match it, the normal 7870 is behind.

But ofc this all depends on the exact pricing of the parts where ever the OP is buying from.

Some things to remember when building a budget gaming rig.
An SSD is NOT essential, when on a budget… do not get one. Only get one when u have money spare in a budget. An SSD is for convieniance and gives a very very minimal performance boost ingame, to the point most people actualy dont notice any difference even if its there.

The 3570k though still good is now not the current generation i5 u want. Try get the 4670k along with the appropriate motherboard, its roughly 5-10% faster.. its not much but u might aswell get the latest stuff, specialy since its only just released, it means u will get the most of its lifepsan.

The GPU needs uping. The MINIMUM Nvidia card u want is a 650Ti so look for a Ti version of the one u have picked out.

The removal of the SSD should save up more than enough money to upgrade the CPU to the 4670k along with the motherboard. Infact u may have enough to go from a 650 ..skip the 650ti and maybe look at a 650ti Boost edition or a standard 660.

So yea skip getting an SSD for now, u will get much more for that ~$130 if u put it into the CPU motherboard and GPU.

It is possible to get higher than the 20-25 fps i get in really big zergs ..but to do so u need to turn culling up ..i.e character limit to medium and texture limit to low.
At which point u cant see half the zergs when they are really big.
I run with highest on the character limit which means u can see everyone all the time, this hits the fps hard but is neccessery if u want a good wvw experiance.
With that setting, depending on the texxture limit, ur lookign at 10-30 fps. 30fps if u have texture limit on lowest where every1 is green, and down in the teens (<20) with texture limit on highest where everyone u see is on max detail. Hence why i run at medium or low depending on the zerg size, to keep people close by on highest detail with those in the distance green.
Again this is in very large zergs..kinda worst case almost.

No problem. Tis is always good to know these things even if its just for some extra general knowledge.

I personaly only got my 3930k for 2 main reasons. 1) for it to last a bit longer than a lesser cpu, 4+years. 2) becouse i could :P
I woud never recommend such an expensive CPU for pure gaming to som1 else unless they had a budget large enough to bassicaly have money to throw around.

Tbh i would say its just down to ur hardware being to low end to play smoothly.

It really is bad how people are getitng suckered into buying GW2 after using that little ‘can it run’ program to test there rig.
That program means absolutly jack s*it im sorry to say.

You laptop is by no means good enough to ‘play’ GW2.
‘Run’ yes .. ‘play’ no.

A 520mx is a very very low end GPU and the CPU u have is also not that great considering its only a true 2 core cpu with HT, and it turbo will likely not be runnign at 3ghz when playing GW2.

That said i have seen this fast/slow/fast/slow fps issue b4, though i cant recall the exact fix. Best i can advise is to install new graphics drivers and make sure u have no processes runnign the background using up resources. You might also want to check on ur GPU and CPU usuage during the slow down and speed ups.

WvW FPS wont be any higher with a 3930k vs a 3770k or a 4770k.
I get 20-25 FPS in BIG zergs. Thats about as best as ur gunan get.
The thing with teh Intel CPU’s is heat vs performance.
The 4770k is better per core than a 3930k ..so it should be better for gaming however the 4770k is one very hot runing chip and cant OC to the the degree a 3930k can. That difference evens out any advantage the 4770k had per clock. So on air a 3930k can potentialy go up to 4.7ghz but the 4770k can only go up to about 4.3ghz. At those clocks they are both roughly at the same performance per core.
For GW2 that means 20-25 fps in those really big zergs.

Now if u move away from GW2 into games that tke advanatge of all cores/threads like Crysis 3 THEN u see the 3930k pull away.. but only when ur talking top end SLI (removing any GPU bottleneck) and multi monitor / ultra HD resolutions(requir more bandwidth). And thats thanks to the extra PCI-E bandwidth and ofc the extra cores of the 3930k.

Bassicaly unless u plan to spend a bucket load on the GPU side of things, and/or plan to use the 3930k for other thigns other than gaming, then u may aswell go 4770k.

I for example always knew that the 3930k would last alot longer than a cheaper chip. It should last 4-6 years at the rate CPU’s are progressing, and within that time i will go SLI, mainly to allow me to play at Ultra HD when i finaly get my hands on a Ultra HD screen. At that point ill likely have ether 2 or 3 GTX Titans or 2 of its faster successors.

moogler make sure ur running of the 580 and not the igpu.
use some monitoring software to check clock speeds of the gpu and cpu and also temps.

Run Gw2.
press alt+tab to get back to windows.
pres ctrl+alt+del
Click ‘start task manager’
go to the processes tab and find GW2.exe, right click and go to change priority then choose High.

For laptop performance settings right click the battry icon in the botton right of the windows desktop screen, click power options, select high performance.

Try that first.

You can try setting the GW2.exe to high priority in the task manager, setting ur laptop performance settings to maximum performance ( make sure ur plugged in and not coming of battry).
Set all the games settings to low.
Try running of ur onboard GPU, then try on ur 330m ..see which runs best.

However ..for gaming .yes ur CPU and GPU are THAT bad. specialy the GPU.
Its mainly the GPU holding u back becouse the CPU, though slow, is roughly the same as my old QX6850 at stock and that could alow GW2 pve to get up to around 40 FPS but would still hold back a GPU like a nvidia 460.

Indeed ..some UK sites to look at, that i have used myself.

Dabs
Novatech
Scan
OverclockersUK
Ebuyer
Aria

Aria has the best deals on prebuilds imo, they are pritty much bang on the cost of the components if bought seperatly which begs the question how they make a profit lol but still.. their prebuilds use good quality parts. No crappy oem PSU’s and such like alot of prebuilds skimp on.
This:
http://www.aria.co.uk/Systems/Gaming+Range/Clearance+Gaming+PCs/Gladiator+750K-GTX650Ti+AMD+4.00GHz+Quad-Core+Next+Day+Gaming+PC+?productId=54930
Is a clerance rig meaning it uses a older platform, however its within ur price range and for a prebuild its goood for the price.

This:
http://www.aria.co.uk/Systems/Gaming+Range/Award-winning+Gaming+PCs/Gladiator+6300-HD7870LE+AMD+4.10GHz+Six-Core+Next+Day+Gaming+PC+?productId=54933
Is £100 above ur price range but has a more up to date cpu and motherboard, and again for its price its good.

Aria do well with their prebuild systems.

Unfortunatly as with alot of people who word their threads like this. You infact do NOT havea good computer.
The CPU u have is a 1st generation i series laptop CPU which is only a 2 core CPU with HT.
The GPU u have is a lowly 330m, which isnt even close to a gaming GPU.
The FPS ur getting is perfectly understandable when u consider the GPU u have, and even with a good GPU ur CPU will hold u back in a big way when eve u come close to other players like in cities, events, and PVP.

Also note that minimum spec requirments of any game just mean ’ the game will run’ ..not ’ the game will play’.
‘run’ = load up and enter game..it will run.
‘play’ = it will be playable
Also notice that it doesnt have any ‘recommended’ requirments, simply becouse the game, specificaly the WvW part of it, cannot be run at a resonable FPS without a expensive overclocked computer, even then the fps is not very high <30fps in these WvW battle situations.

Unless u put over £/$1.3k+ into a gaming laptop u cant consider it a good computer for gaming. Laptops are a step down in perofrmance compared to desktops i.e a 660m isnt as good as a desktop 660 gpu. And laptop prices are significantly more expensive than a equivlanetly performing desktop due to the cost of miniturizing the components to fit a laptop.

I hope this enough to help u understand ur situation

Short answere : No.

This is more a minimum i would accept
http://uk.pcpartpicker.com/p/19owZ
£100 makes a big difference at the low end.

http://uk.pcpartpicker.com/p/19ojm
Using Swordbreakers original list. minus the Blueray and 1866 ram.
Its over budget and tbh, its very very low end. I wouldnt recommend it to som1 looking for a entry level gaming rig. Considering just a couple hundread pound would make something VASLTY superior.

Oh and thats not including P&P which doesnt show on the UK partpicker.

scroll up.

Oh and i was in the middle of doing a pc part picker list ..gimmy another min :P

STOP
Guys remember things dont jst convert over ot british pounds from US dollars. We have 20% VAT + a little extra ontop.
If ur going to help use PCpartpicker and set it to UK .. u wil lthen see the proper costs.

Im from the UK also and i can tel u that £250 just isnt enough. Just to give u an idea.. my graphics card cost over double that ..my cpu also cost over double that. My RAm cost half that. Now granted im using top of the line gear but even so.
A entry level graphics card like the Nvidia 650ti costs ~£90.
A cheap CPU like the FX 6350 costs around £110.
Then u also need: a motherboard .. RAM ..HDD.. PSU..Case. At the very minimum thats another £250.
Then if u dont have a OS to transfer over, u will need to buy or ‘aquire’ a copy of Windows 7, also a optical drive if u cant use an old one..so possibly add on another ~£90.
In all honesty after P&P and giving leeway for slightly higher prices u want atleast £600.

Well….
Upgrade ur rig .

If OC’ing is out of the question then upgrading is pritty much the only thing u can do.

GW2 is incredibly cpu sensative and requirs a beafy CPU for WvW, even then OC’ing is highly advised for 3 main reasons.
1) GW2 shows imporved fps when OC’d in populated areas like wvw zergs.
2) its free performance.
3) It easy with modern cpu’s.

Software wise, turn of fraps and try setting gw2.exe to high priority in task manager. and other than tweeking the ingame grpahics and culling settings thats about all u can do. Your limited by ur CPU. Even a rig like my own goes down to 20-25 fps in big wvw zergs.

That a 20a single 12v rail or 20a on each of 2 or more 12v rails though ?

Though tbh im no expert on PSU’s so i could be way out on this :P
Stll his PSU is a very low end cheap one, i wouldnt trust it anyway ..its not even 80plus certified and doesnt have any 6pin connectors for the GPU from what i could tell.

EDIT: if u can conenct it, then yea by all means try, if it doesnt have neough juice it will simply shut down.

OK im pritty sure u will need a new PSU.
That one is ..well ..its s*it to but it plainly :P
If what i have found about it online is true, it doesnt have the required power connectors for the newer GPU’s. a 6 pin power cable. And i dont think the ampage is enough ether only 15a on the 12v is no where near enough, u usualy look for over 30.
You will need a new one and my advice is dont skimp on the PSU.
Problem is i only know of the higher end models of PSU’s and they are not budget friendly. So i cant really help pick out a good lower end model.
I can certainly say go for a SeaSonic S12II 520 ..but its close to $70 and Seasonic are pritty much the Rolls Royce brand for PSU’s.
Maybe som1 else can jump in with a sugestion

You wont get much better performance over that spec u posted tbh. A k version of the 3770 would allow for higher OC’s but as pointed out u can still OC that non k version to around 4.4ghz.
WvW fps should be around 20-25 FPS in BIG zergs using the culling settings below.
Character limit : Highest (see every1)
Texture Limit: Low / Medium (change as necessery to stay above 20 FPS in the larger zergs)

GW2 is heavily CPU dependant and becouse the FX 8350 has slower single thread performance than say a 3570k, thats why u will be getting slightly lower fps than people with Intel CPU’s.
However even a top intel cpu with OC will only manage 20-25 fps in BIG wvw zergs, so if ur close to that then u cant really ask much more of a AMD cpu atm.

I personaly get 20-25 in most zergs and use the following Culling settings.
Character limit: Highest ‘no character culling , see everyone all the time’
Texture Limit : Medium (low in Huge zergs)

Now u may need to go a tad lower on the character limit (to High or Medium) to cull some players from the screen to account for the slower CPU, however if u have that FX 8350 OC’d(~4.5ghz) u will probably be only 5 FPS lower than what i get. So maybe 15-20 FPS in the really big zergs.

Open up ur side panel and check the sticker on the side/back of the PSU.

If u can afford it deffinatly try get a 650ti.
But yea the 7770hgz edition is better than the standard 7770

Same as the ‘650ti Boost’ is better than the ‘650ti’.

Do make sure ur PSU is up to scratch to handle the increased wattage requirment of a new more powerfull grpahics card.

Yes his CPU isnt great, but since he was asking about his gpu’s and that there was an obviose reason for the drop in gpu performance, that i was i focused on. And its a 2.6ghz quad core ..not a 1.6ghz dual core.

OP: All current graphics cards will fit ur motherboard (PCI-E), so long as u install the graphics card into ur fastes PCI-E port u will be fine (PCI-E ports for Graphics cards come in x4, x8, and x16 – check ur manual to find out which port is which, it may also be physicaly written on the motherboard PCB)
The graphics cards i recommened would be the minimum u would want to go for , for general gaming.
There is no issue with mixing AMD/Intel/Nvidia in this dayin age..it used to be an issue back in the day when i first started with compuers but thankfully that has passed.

Now what the others said is true, ur CPU is slow , specialy for GW2, but considering ur choice of CPU and the overal level of spec of ur computer im guessing ur on a tight budget so dont worry about it for now. Not unless u specificaly want to do WvW in GW2, then u will need ot start saving money becouse it will cost alot to get a rig capable of playing WvW in GW2 without runnign at 5 FPS all the time.

if after getting a new GPU u find urself being held back becouse of ur CPU, then u can actually OC that CPU from its stock 2.6ghz to 3.5ghz+ if u dont mind tinkering with voltages, if u dont like to, then u can still probably get 3.0ghz with just changing the core clock from 100 to 117..but test it in increments of 5. Look on overclock.net for advice on how to start overclocking and how to test stability etc.

This is an easy one. You GPU in ur old computer (the 5770) is about 3 times more powerfull than the onboard GPU in ur new rig (the 6530d), and roughly 6 times more powerful than the stand alone GPU in ur new rig (the 5450).
If u dont need to keep ur old rig then take the graphics card out of ur old rig and put it in your new one.
If u need both computers then go out and buy a cheap graphics card like the AMD 7770 which should cost around $100 to $120 or for $130 to $150 u can get the much better Nvidia 650ti.