Guild Wars 2

Supreme.3164:

You had to defeat diamond to earn your place in the diamond division, now same story with legend division, you’re close to legend and you’ll face legend, everybody who made it to legend went through the same

Except when there was nobody in legend at the start, they had it kind of easy.

I’ve been getting diamonds and rubys against me since I was emerald, usually in premades though but not always.

Ross Biddle.2367:

Sooloo.1364:

I like to think that if people are unwilling to educate themselves on a map they want to win why should they be spoon fed. It’s up to them to learn or lose.

By your reasoning all indications could be removed. Remove map visuals. Remove spoken audio queues. Remove countdown timer. Don’t add a pre-emptive 15s warning.

Otherwise including a 15s warning is just one more indicator. There’s legitimacy in the request. General QoL improvements to communication and map events can only improve the game for everyone.

Nobody is advocating the removal of anything.
But seriously if you can’t glance at a timer why are you playing competitive PvP.
It’s like glancing at your CD’s.

Which is why the option to have a customisable cursor would be fantastic so we don’t lose it during the chaos.
Make it pulse pink or red.

It isn’t such a bad idea, earning the +1 agony resistances through PvP could help people build the massive amount they need to eventually reach the top of the fractals.
Just like earning the dungeon currencies helps complete those collections.
Maybe earn the lower level potions as well. But the major fractal rewards they have to do the fractals themselves.

I like to think that if people are unwilling to educate themselves on a map they want to win why should they be spoon fed. It’s up to them to learn or lose.

I doubt there is anything anyone can do for you, your player pool is just very low.

I wonder to myself why they are different to the vendors ones, why the change.
The wings the vendor is wearing look better to me.
Quip though, I dunno what they were thinking. It’s a clown gun.

People get stressed and sometimes unpleasant in competitive environments.
The last group I was in the founder of the group died 2 times trying to secure home when 2 members started abusing her for being bad. It was unpleasant, so I can understand people being reluctant to group.

Archon.6480:

Sooloo.1364:

Every single one of you just keep repeating that he is the problem, that he is the whole team. The other 4 are just decoration, he and his team are always up against 5 fully coordinated people and he himself needs to carry every single time because the other 4 people don’t matter. Am I reading this right?

No, you are not reading me right at all. I am saying Ithilwin’s MMR is tanked and she has accurately deduced that the system is stacking her on a weak team. The way to beat the system is to queue with some friends. This is equivalent to using one’s knowledge to overcome the system. I need to pay it forward anyway. FLIMPY rescued me from a 30 game loss streak last season Or did I rescue FLIMPY? I think we rescued each other.

Being good at GW is also about being smart, and making changes when necessary. Ithilwin likes to solo queue, I get that. To beat the system that will have to change for a while.

I’m sorry, I totally agree with you. Also sorry for calling she a he.

Archon.6480:

@Ithilwin

You are not trying hard enough. I seriously mean that.

You have used your intelligence to accurately understand enough of how the matchmaking system works to beat it, but you refuse to change yourself to overcome the system. Yes, if you are giving a presentation to hundreds of people you need to wear a suit. It’s just how it goes.

Several extremely skilled players have offered to queue with you and I’ll do the same. You just need to bite the carrot to achieve your goal. My only rule is no raging allowed, no matter what happens. My f2p account has an amber LB ranger who is itching to put arrows in a few opponents and would love to queue with an ele.

GW has always had a mental component to winning. If I wanted a game that was purely coordination based, I wouldn’t play GW. Half the fight is using your head. Use yours.

Every single one of you just keep repeating that he is the problem, that he is the whole team. The other 4 are just decoration, he and his team are always up against 5 fully coordinated people and he himself needs to carry every single time because the other 4 people don’t matter. Am I reading this right?
So he should just 1vs5, I mean since the other 4 are not important, it’s him and him alone that matters.
MMR that puts these matches together is not to blame, this guy is because he can’t 1vs5. He needs to up his game to 500% to compensate the lack of team support against never ending fully coordinated teams that crush him like an insect.

The silliest thing about this whole thing is that it’s the people who will never be able to achieve the wings are the ones who would have spent real money once they got them.
They buy gems to purchase the mats to craft the gifts to complete the wings.
It’s the casual players, not the hardcore that most support games like this.

Ithilwen.1529:

Here’s my recent match history. It’s pretty crystal clear that I am being consistently overmatched. Yet, somehow I’m supposed to win 5 in a row? That’s laughable.

You know the other 4 people on your team don’t matter, if you aren’t winning it’s your fault. You have to be as good kitten to win.

Hatemefearme.3148:

How come in about 93.67% of ranked games I’ve played this season do I feel like I’m easily the best player on my team. By a pretty giant margin it seems like, and I don’t mean it as in omg I’m the best in the world but I do feel I’m pretty good since I’ve played since launch, with the majority of it being spvp. Something like 1600 total ranked wins, so I’m no novice.
Why is it that I get qued up with people that seem to have only been playing a week at most? They have no idea how spvp works, no idea how to rotate and no clue on how to adjust to team comps. No idea how to not push mid 1v3, no clue on how to do the most basic spvp things.

I’m getting to my breaking point, again. I que with friends, but I’ll still get 2 players that seem to not have a single clue what’s going on. Why is this? Please, someone explain this to me…please.
I’m gonna start crying from the pain…for real it hurts so much to see my fav pvp mmo being thrown in the trash.
I’m sick of it man, just freakin sick of it.

One lot will tell you that you aren’t nearly as good as you think you are, in fact you’re probably the worst player on your team and the cause of all of your losses. You need to get good.
Or that the match maker is a piece of garbage using some kind of voodoo ritual to throw games together that nobody understands.
Either way, it is what it is and it aint gonna change.

This thread just won’t die

I don’t see the point really, unlike dungeons most fractals are super easy and very fast.
Can clear T4 Dailys in 30 min and atm the rewards are great, better than any other game mode.

You dropped a lot of traps and the enemy ran into them.
Personally I hate guardians for the lazy trap mechanic, just instadrop them at their feet whenever.

Thunder.7195:

Hi peeps.

A few people seem to have difficulties in crossing divisions. My idea is to create a pvp guild ONLY for this league where players can help other players which seem to be stuck in a division. I would need a few mentors who can team up with different players. You need to get a new account (free to play) if you have a high mmr or in a too high division already, so our trainees dont face too hard opponents.

Im writing this from a second account already. Pm me on here or in this thread if youre interested in being a mentor to help a few people get their backpacks.

They who feel they are stuck in a division can pm me on here as well or write in this thread.

Im on european server but someone out there who are on american servers could do the same.

I like that you’re doing this, it’s great for the morale of those that feel the system has let them down. I just wish it wasn’t necessary.

Hunter.4783:

Ithilwen.1529:

I have fulfilled all but one requirement for the wings. At only 377 games this season, I’ve taken it relatively easy it is true.

My current 22.3% Win rate is up from a low approaching 18%. That took a great deal of effort.

I’ve put in near employement hours in bursts into GW2 PvP during 3 seasons. In the course of it I’ve learned to have some basic ability in two new professions.

Still, the chances are rather slim to non existent that I can pass 4 divisions in the next 1 1/2 seasons with the matchmaking consistently putting me on the side scheduled to lose.

I’m hardly a casual player. It’s time to acknowledge that the wings really weren’t for “everyone” and that the matchmaking needs a conceptual change.

No offense bro bUT that record is quite bad.

You have less than a 30% win rate. Do you honestly think you deserve a legendary back piece with not even a 30% win rate?

What is this deserve crap I keep hearing about this forum? He bought the game and has played an incredible amount of games. He deserves what the game has to offer.
This isn’t the Olympics where giving him gold gives you silver, this is a video game.

The only solution is to punish them, which could lead to them not playing anymore.
Maybe thats good or maybe its bad.
I know most on here want to punish them but I also know that the devs are hesitant to because losing players can equal lost revenue.

Evilek.5690:

Ithilwen.1529:

I’m nearly out of energy and ready to log for the day. Here’s my results since I started this thread yesterday. That’s 33 losses and 5 wins.. or approximately 15.2% wins. The vast majority of those by ROFLSTOMP.

I’ve done my part.. I’ve worked as hard or harder than most. This matchmaking is not right.

Man you must by bad player. 400 game and only 80 win is only your prolem. Any better match making systom dont increase your skill, that is all
Many bad players think they are good but not.

My advice is, go in to 1v1 arenas and train.train.train.

Did you miss the screen shot up above of where his entire teams score was collectively the same as the lowest guys on the winning side.
To suggest that he, 1 person in a 5 man group is the bad player is just willful ignorance.

It’s happening in most divisions, I dunno if it’s population or other factors but my queue are upward of 8 min last 2 days.

Heres an idea for the matchmaker, if you’ve played a match with the same person or people multiple times and never won with them, don’t team me with them again.
For at least 20 games.

havoktwo.2147:

Why do i get the feeling the guys bragging with 30+ win streak didn’t do it by solo queing.

I wonder if they realize that by winning 30 they have ended peoples streaks and added to peoples loss streaks. By any calculation you have to understand that if some are winning a lot, others are losing a lot. If everyone had a 30 win streak that means nobody can lose, which is impossible.

BlaqueFyre.5678:

Sooloo.1364:

Spartacus.3192:

BlaqueFyre.5678:

you could be average at pvp and get them after all four seasons, one of the big issues with entitlement with these pvp seasons is that they don’t reflect actual skill so a lot of people feel they are better than they actually are, i.e. No division loss, so they are artificially inflated to higher divisions till they hit Ruby.

This is why i think it’s funny that people stress over pixels. By the end of season 4 every man and his dog will have the wings. It will and does mean nothing.

Not true, and I think some of you would be surprised at just how difficult this has been for some people.
I won’t have crossed enough divisions to get them, but then I don’t care about them either. And this season especially crossing 3-4 divisions is proving impossible for a lot of people.
When you win 1 game and lose 5-15 how on earth do you progress.

An Average player is a player that can reach Sapphire/Ruby with relative ease can reach diamond with a bit of effort, if you have issues with that then you are most likely not an average skilled player, it takes 10 division crossings in a year which averages out to hitting Ruby each season or hitting which would be 12 division crossings, or Ruby twice sapphire twice which is 10..

Again I said an average player, how they have divisions set up causes players an inflated sense of skill since they can not start “losing” till they reach Ruby. Then there is the fact that’s there is 90 days to get to Ruby at a minimum each season the better skilled you are the faster it is to reach that goal. You don’t even have to play that much I have played a total of 191 games with 96 wins I am tier 5 Ruby this season by playing 3 games a night on average, I put minimal time investment during the weekdays.

Again the Legendary Wings were not designed for everybody to get, at minimum you have to be average in skill or be carried to achieve them.

Or the matchmaker puts me in groups that can’t win against superior teams. You people have got to stop assuming that someone is a bad player because they lose 15 games in a row. I’m 1 of 5, 20% of a team. I’ve been in games where my input wasn’t even required for a win. You have no idea what my skill level is and immediately assume that im the piece that fails. Talk to some of the previous season legends on here that are going through this and enlighten yourself on just how bad this matchmaker can be.

Spartacus.3192:

BlaqueFyre.5678:

you could be average at pvp and get them after all four seasons, one of the big issues with entitlement with these pvp seasons is that they don’t reflect actual skill so a lot of people feel they are better than they actually are, i.e. No division loss, so they are artificially inflated to higher divisions till they hit Ruby.

This is why i think it’s funny that people stress over pixels. By the end of season 4 every man and his dog will have the wings. It will and does mean nothing.

Not true, and I think some of you would be surprised at just how difficult this has been for some people.
I won’t have crossed enough divisions to get them, but then I don’t care about them either. And this season especially crossing 3-4 divisions is proving impossible for a lot of people.
When you win 1 game and lose 5-15 how on earth do you progress.

I wish people would stop obsessing over the wings, it’s something you would earn then never display again after a week.
This reward has really made PvP unplayable.

How do you complete them when moving beyond your division is impossible?

You just need to learn to play without an internet connection, you have to get good and carry. No excuses.

Punishing AFK players just further alienates the playerbase and makes PvP queues even longer.
People will AFK if they feel the game is unwinnable or they’ve been placed into a side to lose. I have no answers but punishing people will solve nothing.

bLind.6278:

Sooloo.1364:

bLind.6278:

I’m honestly done caring. Anet has made zero effort to make this season enjoyable whatsoever, and created possibly the single worst matchmaking system in the history of competitive leagues.

Despite overwhelming criticism and suggestions, Anet has once again remained completely silent on an immensely unpopular system, without so much as a token “we’re reading and making plans” that they would give to other game modes.

I’ll continue playing not because I enjoy sPvP, but because I simply don’t have anything better to do, and despite the system being an absolute dumpster fire, I’d like to continue improving on the extremely slim chance that season 4 is actually playable.

Fortunately I only need to hit Diamond this season or next and Ruby otherwise to finish my meta achievements, so as soon as I get where I need to I’m gonna do literally everything I can to deliberately ruin the gaming experience for everyone else I play with, because that’s what anet has taught me to do.

I know you’re angry, a lot of us are and have a right to be but try not to let the bitterness have you upsetting someone elses enjoyment. Just walk away from the game and do something else for a while.

It’s not intentionally to ruin other people’s experiences, just a side effect from playing whatever build I feel like playing in a system that isn’t enjoyable.

Like the majority of people who are no longer farming achievements for the back piece, I’ll be able to actually play to enjoy myself instead of worrying about pips or winning on certain classes, etc.

Carry on then, that’s how it should be. Playing for pure enjoyment with no class or meta restrictions.

bLind.6278:

I’m honestly done caring. Anet has made zero effort to make this season enjoyable whatsoever, and created possibly the single worst matchmaking system in the history of competitive leagues.

Despite overwhelming criticism and suggestions, Anet has once again remained completely silent on an immensely unpopular system, without so much as a token “we’re reading and making plans” that they would give to other game modes.

I’ll continue playing not because I enjoy sPvP, but because I simply don’t have anything better to do, and despite the system being an absolute dumpster fire, I’d like to continue improving on the extremely slim chance that season 4 is actually playable.

Fortunately I only need to hit Diamond this season or next and Ruby otherwise to finish my meta achievements, so as soon as I get where I need to I’m gonna do literally everything I can to deliberately ruin the gaming experience for everyone else I play with, because that’s what anet has taught me to do.

I know you’re angry, a lot of us are and have a right to be but try not to let the bitterness have you upsetting someone elses enjoyment. Just walk away from the game and do something else for a while.

I think a lot more thought should have been put into gaining those legendary wings and achievements. Too much is dependent upon other people and factors totally out of our control.
The fractal legendary wings are still a difficult prize but very achievable by everyone with effort. There is no random factor deciding if the fractal fails or not 25 times in a row.

I’m not the kind of person to make demands, this is their game and they run it how they like. Personally for myself and a few of my friends we have stopped playing PvP as it is because we know we can’t progress any further.
I will return when this is over and new things start happening, have fun all.

I’m not saying it’s not the game but you can’t just assume.
There’s a lot going on between your modem and the GW server.
Try running a traceroute.

kirima san.3760:

Main reason I quit playing pvp is because it is too stressful and annoying.

Not because of the builds but because of the matchmaking/players.

Every game is about praying to god you don’t get 4 monkeys in your team that try to cap far after they get mid every time or run around fighting off points chasing the PU mesmer/thief. It’s all about trying your best to watch their rotations and see what you can do to try and carry.

It is simply not fun, only stressful and quite annoying after a few sessions.

This is exactly how it is for me 3 out of 4 games, except most times they don’t even go mid. I’ll get 2 or 3 sit home and 2 or 3 go far and die time after time the whole round fighting off point as though they were playing some sort of death match.
All of my pleading in team chat goes unanswered as I slowly pull my hair out.

Would it be possible to have class specific reward tracks that offer weapon and armor skins per class?
Like a Ranger or Druid reward track that gives PvP exclusive skins.
Elementalist, Warrior etc
Some of us have done the reward tracks so many times I don’t even look which it’s on.
It could generate more interest in PvP, or not, just a thought.

GW has never really been one for tutorials or player help, it relies heavily on the wiki.
It wasn’t until relatively recently, I think for the Chinese release of the game that they added some basic tutorials into starter zones like how to dodge and target etc

I am aware that there are people with appalling loss streaks, far worse than mine.
My intention was to highlight that the matchmaker is a matchmaker in name only, it’s basically throwing selected players into unwinnable games so that another select group can benefit.
If that is it’s intended purpose then it’s working fantastically, problem is those of us getting thrown to the wolves are going to give up and leave eventually.

What a brilliant idea, punish people for wanting to play a game.
Sounds like a money maker to me, you should become a dev.

paShadoWn.5723:

Sooloo.1364:

Even the worst player in the world deserves a fair fight, not a win, a fair fight against similar skilled players.

You make a logical fallacy here dude. Worst player in the world cant have a fair fight because everyone else is better.

In real and magical world, the problem of worst fighters gets solved naturally, they simply DIE lol.
In game with infinite free respawns well… it was long ago solved in Warframe where you can only respawn few times a day. Do it in GW2, and you will weed out FEEDERS everyone hates.

Seems to me you’re one of the lucky ones who rides win streaks and thinks they have skill because they beat easy opponents.
The clue is in the name, match maker. Matched skill.

paShadoWn.5723:

So you say jackpots should never happen too?

Also, excuse me, if you lose THAT much, it only means you got a streak of no-carry for your failbuild.

I didn’t think it was possible to so completely miss the point of this topic.
Even the worst player in the world deserves a fair fight, not a win, a fair fight against similar skilled players.

Not in a game that has any kind of matchmaking, and I’m at a loss to understand why these matchups keep happening.
Some of us don’t give a crap about the wings or some title or rank.
I play WvW and PvP in GW2, nothing else.
And with BG rolling over the whole map like an unstoppable force WvW has been unenjoyable and unplayable lately so that just leaves PvP for fun.
Except that I win 1 lose 8, win 3 lose 12, win 2 lose 18.
I’m not asking for wins, I’m asking for enjoyable games at my level and it just isn’t happening and PvP is fast becoming something I hate rather than love.

Magimix.5203:

why??
its fun to get the daily prize after 1 win every day

^^

Because you get 4 necros only there for the daily. It encourages team stacking.

I remember people begging for that to be implemented in TSW and when they finally did it was awe full. It would load builds randomly from other chars or classes.
But I agree it would be a great thing to have a 1 click load build ability.

I don’t think there is anything to prove.
You can have no matchmaking where everyone is thrown into the first spot available and the winner is totally random.
You can have real matchmaking where every game is almost a draw.
Or you can have whatever this is, pre-determined win/loss.

Typing /sit while fighting a point unable to move while a warrior bashes you is frustrating as hell. But there is nothing else to be done.
Happened to me 2 times today, I almost broke my keyboard the 2nd time, pushing move keys.

R O C.6574:

How does an NFL team have an 0-16 record for the season? Must be bad matchmaking, right? No. Not right. It’s bad teamwork.

Like when when we lose a teamfight at the beginning of a match and 2 people on my team say GG in team chat. That’s a loser mentality. I’m not saying get good, just stop lying to yourselves.

Thats the definition of bad matchmaking. They were partnered with bad players.

Happens to me at least every other day, I sometimes also find myself spinning on the spot. Double tapping the key in the direction im spinning fixes that but being frozen on the spot I need to use an ability. Ive died a lot because of it

kdaddy.5431:

Why didnt you stay on a cap point and win the 1 point preferably mid. That way if you saw him at far you take home as a decap because hes faster then you and hold the mid point.

If your team is holding a point and the enemy team is feeding that point. It is now your job to win out vs the thief on a point.

Im sorry but you say you have alot of of games with bad players which may be true but you didnt do anything to win your point.

My team didn’t cap or hold a point at any stage in the game, me standing at home would have done nothing. He killed their beast, I killed ours. We exchanged points.
What else could I do.
Anyway it’s not the worst game I’ve ever had, just a frustrating one.