I think ele is pretty good as it is now, nerf it any further and all you’d have is a class that dies as soon as anyone looks at it.
Still havent found one I cant kill yet.
It’s great you’re doing so well, I’m happy for you. I was about to write a bunch of stuff about how the MM is flawed but there has been too much of that. Just remember, you can’t judge others based on your experiences. Good luck to you.
I guess their art department didn’t count on a hoarder running out of storage space, but I think he’d like to keep his job so you might need to start opening those.
The most used part of their game is going to get the most attention. I’m guessing PvP has the lowest player base, maybe even lower than WvW so they have no incentive to improve it.
You’re wrong, GW does do something when you are on a losing streak. It puts you in even worse games so you’ll lose more. Working as intended I think.
Some players would call you entitled and that you don’t deserve the rewards but you both make legitimate points. Having a player in a ranked match that is very inexperienced in a 2nd or 3rd class while maybe someone in the group in on his last pip in Ruby. We can see the potential for disaster.
Having said that I do like the idea of this achievement, it just needs more thought.
I would prefer many more achievements to the strict 4 season limit ones, some people started very late and others are caught in the grind.
We are talking about good thiefs guys, who roam and +1 people.
Sure if the ele is almost dead and a thief pops up with its cooldowns up then its a possibility.
You must encounter some beastly eles. Can you send me the name of the next one you see, I wanna group with him.
I feel this is important, people carrying inexperienced players costing the rest of the team pips is very frustrating.
How is this even considered playable?
Problems of amber and emerald division are not problems of rest of divisions.
You can’t kill ele auramancer? Maybe because:
1. You try to kill him with other bunker build on his point
2. You don’t +1 him with dps build like thief
3. You don’t try to out rotate him if he’s afk on mid.
4. You don’t know that ele is pure support build , not tank and he can’t tank 1v1 some classes in good hands like rev, mes, thief.
5. You don’t know how to use your build – one moa can kill ele if used with coordinated team.
6. You never played ele and you just don’t know what are talking about.I can’t remember what it was like in amber, but in ruby nearly every team seems to have problems killing an ele, much better to just try and ignore it and kill other classes. Again a lot of forum talk about how easy it is to kill ele, but I see very little happening in game.
A good ele is not easy to kill, that is true. But if your group won’t focus, if your group isn’t equipped or prepared you can’t blame the ele. The mechanics exist to dispatch an ele, thieves can drop them in 5sec.
@Ross Biddle (in direct reply to your post and more generally on topic)
While I don’t disagree with your sentiments, you miss the main issue.
That issue is this; ANET set out a prize which was to be available to “everyone.” The league and achievement structure has been set up in a way that contradicts that.
Sure, one needs to meet the requirements. However, ANET promoted a prize as available to all. Therefore, the company has an obligation to make the requirements such that all can get it.
The below quote answers this “question”.
PS: The official quote in question:
“The Ascension is designed to reward investment in PvP by any player and will require more than one season to complete. You don’t need to be the most skilled player to earn it, but highly skilled players will find that they can progress through the Path of the Ascension faster.”Source: https://www.guildwars2.com/en/news/the-pvp-league-begins-on-december-1/
From Anet’s quote above, it sounds to me like everything is working as intended.
- Dedicated players are grinding seasons/games to get the wings.
- Elitests are reaching Legendary the quickest, receiving the rewards faster. Now we need more items to spend tickets on!
Not sure what people are having issues with but i’ll happily play on their account, hop on DH and reach Legendary. It’s not impossible to reach Legendary every season. The Division and rewards are well within reach…
No, no they aren’t. Imagine if 8 out of 10 games you were matched with people that either will not or can not play properly. They refuse to rotate, they lose every fight, they AFK after 5 min. This has been my experience for the last 2 weeks. I’m so jaded with PvP right now that I expect every single game to be a loss.
Interupt their abilities, poison them, stun them. There are a lot of ways to take them down easy.
It’s all too little too late for most people anyway, whatever they decide to do.
So many people were not able to grind through season 3 and lost the chance to finish the achievements.
Some of you guys seem extremely determined to punish.
Just today I had a match where my whole team went AFK, I was dueling one of the enemy at home while his team looked on. It didn’t bother me they went AFK because the match was an absolute loss. In a situation like that why does it bother you if someone decides to sit out.
Bad idea, I play unranked to get away from ranked. It’s much more relaxed and a lot more fun when the outcome doesn’t matter. Besides, where else are you gonna test your builds and learn new classes without compromising players determined to win.
Ranked AFK players should get their character deleted >.>
It would be interesting to see what effect that would have on the community.
I doubt it would be positive.
I don’t get why there is a time limit at all. The fractal back can be done at your own pace but this thing needs to be worked on in a schedule and if you are having problems you most likely will fail. I think it’s been poorly implemented.
I’ve never seen anyone AFK after only 1 min. Maybe if we lose all 3 caps and have died a bunch of times and the enemy starts closing in on our base, but it’s understandable then.
Sigil of air does strike lighting frequently.
Sailing through the seasons doesn’t give you any moral or logical high ground.
The matches are set deliberately uneven. So, neither winning nor losing reflect skill in my opinion.
I’m sorry you feel this way Ithilwen but winning/losing DOES reflect skill. It reflects the skill that your team has in working together despite never playing together.
If winning required skill how do we have all of these really bad players in diamond and legend that everyone keeps talking about?
I’ve seen people in Diamond do stuff that I expect emeralds to get right, skilled isn’t what I’d call them.
Yeah the reason you’re advancing is because of your MMR, same as my diamond char. The games are easier and my team mates are better. Simple as that. If this game used true match making, nobody would ever get 10 wins in a row. This system is design to allow good MMR to climb on top of bad, that’s why so many people are upset.
I don’t know, I find that this has a lot more to do with winning 10+ games in a row.
More than half of those scores were complete annihilation’s, it’s pretty indicative that you’re facing meek opponents. MMR gave you those opponents.
Nobody is suggesting that you aren’t a good player, but your team and the opposition are hand picked. Congratulations, I hope you carry on to ultimate victory. I’m glad some people are doing well.
I have 2 accounts, 1 is in Diamond. The other hasn’t moved beyond Sapphire. Yes, it’s the MMR. I made the new just to prove to myself it wasn’t me.
You will never advance if you are always placed on the losing side.
And if anyone doesn’t believe me try it yourself.I’m advancing and that’s my only account.
I mean… 11 win streak and before that one lost, was at 13 win streak. halfway thru sapphire in 34 games…
Yeah the reason you’re advancing is because of your MMR, same as my diamond char. The games are easier and my team mates are better. Simple as that. If this game used true match making, nobody would ever get 10 wins in a row. This system is design to allow good MMR to climb on top of bad, that’s why so many people are upset.
I have 2 accounts, 1 is in Diamond. The other hasn’t moved beyond Sapphire. Yes, it’s the MMR. I made the new just to prove to myself it wasn’t me.
You will never advance if you are always placed on the losing side.
And if anyone doesn’t believe me try it yourself.
Well you could always make a team to guarantee you get a good team comp and decent players…..but yeah yeah yeah I know that takes too much effort, want Anet to perfectly hand pick teammates for you so you can put as little thought as possible into grinding out this whole league mess…..I get it.
Is it wrong to expect the devs of this game to make it fun for everyone?
I have a feeling this is going to turn into another epic thread where she is forced to continually defend herself each time someone says she is a bad player.
Last time I AFK the other team had 2 eles, 2 engis and 1 warrior. Mid was lost before I capped home, whole team dead. You know when a game is completely hopeless and you just want it to end so you can get to the next one. I dont have unlimited play time, sometimes only manage 3 games a night. Watching my minutes tick away in a losing match I want to end. Theres nothing to learn here except how to get smashed as fast as possible.
I’m constantly hearing the words “deserve” and “entitled” but nobody has ever asked to be given anything but a fair go. People feel that this system is making these achievements far harder than is realistic, being placed in matches where the score is 500-30 is a painful experience. Then we get people saying well if you can’t carry your team you don’t deserve the rewards. My question to all of you is, why isn’t the team that’s crushing the other by 450 points versing another similar team doing the same and the low scoring guys versing each other? When people feel like they’ve been given a chance they won’t complain, not nearly as much. As it stands a lot of people are being destroyed game after game and then being told they don’t deserve kitten for being bad, it’s a wonder they don’t just leave already seeing as they have no incentive whatsoever to even participate.
There have been a lot of topics on this. Most people agree they need to be punished but how, you run the risk of losing them. I think working on why they AFK is a better solution.
The elitists think people are asking to be handed rewards when all anyone wants is a fair game, not a stacked pre-determined game that is over before it begins, not a game that puts solo players at the bottom. Why does this keep needing to be repeated, when are you guys gonna stop using words like deserve and entitled when all anyone has ever asked for is fairness. If you don’t get it you are truly clueless.
One of two things is happening there. Either the losing side no longer cares about winning and just mess about for fun as theres no more to gain. Or, they were carried to legendary and just aren’t qualified to be there. I have a guild mate in legendary and he is in no way good enough to be there, just lucky he grouped well.
I hear it a lot, bad players don’t deserve the wings, they have no right to the rewards.
So by that logic why should they even participate, why offer themselves up as fodder so the higher ups can stomp them.
I’ll tell you why the so called bad players also deserve the wings and rewards, because even though they lose more than they win, most of them are fighting as hard as they can every single game and keep persevering even though it’s a lost cause.
So if you’re on a win streak, find the game a bit easy and have had no real challenge, you aren’t fighting nearly as hard as the bad players that don’t deserve a prize.If you don’t meet the requirements to receive something, you don’t receive it.
If you show up at McDonalds and start flipping burgers, but have no contract of employment there, there’s no reason why you should get paid.
If you enter the Olympics as a track runner, and run really really fast, and do your darn hardest, unless you pass the finish line ahead of the other runners you can’t expect to be placed and given a medal.
If you go to the store and buy all the ingredients to bake a cake, then come home and throw all those ingredients into a baking tin, mix it up but don’t follow the cooking instructions properly, then bang it in the oven and wait whatever amount of time only to produce an inedible pile of mush, you can’t expect to have a cake and eat it too.
If you want a thing, you have to meet the requirements to obtain a thing. This isnt new. This isnt a hard concept. This is something every human being has to face on a day to day basis.
This is also the case regardless of how much effort one person has to put in over another. So long as the specific requirements are met, then and only then do you deserve to obtain the thing.
So if I want to get to legendary and get some shiny wings, but I do it standing on my head while solo’q’ing, while someone else runs a premade in the correct and upright position, I’m no more deserving than the other guy just because it was ‘harder’.
Meet the requirements – get the thing.
Don’t meet the requirements – don’t get the thing.KISS
If you buy Guild Wars and then buy Hot and then support the game with store purchases you are entitled to……
See they already paid.
BTW, I’m not saying they should be handed rewards.
I’m talking about the elitist attitude I see in forum and in-game everyday. Low level players shouldn’t even be allowed to compete, they have no right to try to get anything because they’re rubbish and a waste of space.
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I do T4 fractals everyday, I’m pretty good at them and get them done fast. I regularly get players in my groups who have the pvp legendary wings on display. And more often than not I spend most of my time rezing those players to prevent wipes. I stand there wondering how did they get those wings when they can’t handle a simple predictable fractal. When my guild mates and I won’t be able to get them.
I hear it a lot, bad players don’t deserve the wings, they have no right to the rewards.
So by that logic why should they even participate, why offer themselves up as fodder so the higher ups can stomp them.
I’ll tell you why the so called bad players also deserve the wings and rewards, because even though they lose more than they win, most of them are fighting as hard as they can every single game and keep persevering even though it’s a lost cause.
So if you’re on a win streak, find the game a bit easy and have had no real challenge, you aren’t fighting nearly as hard as the bad players that don’t deserve a prize.
Just had a match where I was trying to cleave a downed DH with an ele healing him…
hundred blades and axe whirl were totally ineffective…the kitten Ele was actually able to heal himself while rezzing and being cleaved…
I run demolisher build, and it makes absolutely no sense to me to that happen unless he’s using an invulnerable skill…
While they can have great sustain, an ele focusing on rezzing not invulnerable just shouldn’t happen the way this happened now……
If I missed some passives that allow an ele to heal while being hit (heal MORE than dmg received) please point it out so I can study it…
total amount of compound defensive buffs they can get is too much to deal on the power side…I could never kill an adept ele in a 1v1 with this, while I can rip a new one to every other class in the game…including engis.
I’m literally dumbfounded atm because of this.
They have a passive that allows them to heal while being hit yes, among other things.
They can be pretty tough but they do next to no damage, all they do is buff and heal and can be easily focused down.
That’s great, I’m glad you’re doing well and hopefully having fun.
I guess the only solution to this would be to prevent those players who can’t get there from playing ranked. That way they won’t get into anyones way and they won’t be wasting their own time.
Quite a few posters have complained that the current league system is “grindable.” There’s often a concomitant argument that “MMR Hell” does not exist.
Both are false. It’s very clear that the casual players the legendary backpack was meant to attract had no chance of winning it. That’s not good design.
ANET, you need to do two things: Revert matchmaking to unranked style and discourage free accounts from participating in leagues.
That’s 500+ games folks in this season alone:
If nothing else, you can say that you helped a lot of people advance by losing that many.
ANET would argue that refreshing MMR would be “unfair” to those with high mmr.
The counter argument is that it’s “unfair” to the people with low MMR not to.Since anet has chosen to deliberately stack unfair matches .. if you have a low MMR you will continue to have bad matches and sink.
No serious competition venue in the world deliberately sets unfair matches.
The argument is that the matches will eventually level out; At some point only a given skill level will remain in a given range. Hence, the matches will be fair.
This is flawed because:
People smurf on free accounts, thereby bypassing the system.
The low population forces the match maker to expand it’s search range. Therefore the level out effect, if any, is cancelled.
Most importantly.. the thinking is inherently cruel. “The lower ranked players ought to be happy to suffer for the first 2/3 of the season. That way, the upper ranked players can feel that they are skillful and exclusively matched with people they feel are adequately skilled.”
“Beside that, giving our ‘high tier’ players rolfstomps makes them feel that they are strong players.”
I think the strongest argument against stacking unfair matches is that it simply isn’t working.
As it stands there is no incentive at all for low MMR players to even be playing ranked.
They will never earn the wings, they will never advance divisions.
If they just want fun and reward tracks they should play unranked, because ranked sounds too painful for a lot of people.
Dangling the wings in front of people not capable of earning them and then using those people as meat for the better players to advance will backfire in the end.
I don’t know how anyone thought this could be a good idea.
Or learn to be a guitarist in a rock band…. whichever works for you better.
Why do you keep trolling? If you have never faced a good ele then you must be having easy games, congratulations. Nobody said they couldn’t be beaten, but to suggest that a good ele can be dropped as simply as hitting them is foolish.
All you have to do is look up auramancer on metabattle, it’s right there. He spams auras team wide.
And all the while the rest of his team is on you while you try to weaken him, of course they’re all immune to damage as well from his buffs.
Well at least you’re crawling somewhat forward. Some of the losses I’ve been told of are insane.
I don’t believe in healing on this game, some say it can be done but I just don’t see it, not in any significant amounts anyways. Bring back monks.
Eles don’t just heal, they buff constantly. A good ele can be almost immortal.
I haven’t encountered an ele I can’t 1v1 yet but when they have a couple warriors or revenants beside them they can be a real pain. I’ve had my whole team go down to a single ele and warrior.
rly amusing thread very interesting to see whats possible in this world since i don tknow anybody who needed more than 100 games which would already be a bit slow xD
You know it’s mathematically impossible for everyone to reach the same goal in 100 games.
For someone to win, someone has to equally lose.
Many people wish the same thing. Theres nothing worse than being teamed with guys you know will be a guaranteed lose. Why do we have to suffer through this over and over, match after match until your MMR is in the toilet.
Many people have asked these questions since season 1, a lot of these games are totally out of our control.
It could have been done through any number of achievements not tied to the ranked league.
Unranked games impact your MMR?
Yes, they do. If you wanted to, you could tank your MMR in unranked (go wild with a p/p cleric thief), then head to ranked and get a small win-streak.
Imo, you shouldn’t really do this to the extent I described, but it is possible.
If you are going to do this, don’t do it with something you know is going to be useless like a p/p cleric thief; instead, use builds that aren’t meta ( like a trap ranger ) or professions you are uncomfortable with. That way, you are still trying to improve yourself and/or having fun, but you are also taking advantage of your likelihood to suck to get more rewarded in the long-run.
I wish you didnt type that, now I fear people may actually do it.
I guess the higher divisions are suffering lack of active players.
Unranked games are just as bad as ranked ones. It’s just that you aren’t guaranteed to get an ele on both teams.
Don’t get an ele on both teams now.
Unranked games impact your MMR?