Guild Wars 2

Authority.6145:

Xsorus.2507:

This games stealth is vastly superior to every other games stealth..

You mean superior to a 5 minute perma stealth?

And what do you do with that permastealth? In WoW for example, you can ambush someone, then you fight without stealth, and even if you vanish, attacks can de-stealth you. You have to run out of combat to be able to restealth. In GW2 you can stealth every 3 seconds while standing toe-to-toe in your enemies face, and you can easily attack from it because enemies doesn’t get you out from it. If you want to travel in stealth behind enemy lines, that’s still possible in GW2 as well, you just C&D mobs or BP+HS.

critickitten.1498:

If we have people coming from these other MMOs saying that GW2’s grind is greater than those other games, then they’re obviously giving conflicting reports with the people claiming that every other MMOs has a bigger grind. And I’m inclined to trust experience over inexperience.

I’m from WoW, and I find GW2 far less grindy. So now we have different experiences. I just can’t imagine how can people say that GW2 is more grindy than other MMOs. I just don’t get it. It’s like we play a totally different game.

Btw it takes 20 days to get 3-4 ascended items, with about 1,5-2 hours daily play. Including a daily fractal run of course.

EDIT: to the poster above me, what do you mean by casuals? Because the GW2 casual you described probably won’t raid MC in WoW. Actually I don’t think the GW2 casual you described would ever raid in WoW with hers/his 1-2 play hour per day. But these double standards always come in handy when comparing different games.

I just realized something. I almost opened a topic about Blinding Powder, because a lot of times when I try to escape with it it just doesn’t seem to work, there’s the poof but I’m staying visible (and not because of immunity, I looked out for that). Can it be because of Last Refuge proccing the same time? But it feels like it happens too many times…

Well, the story mode of AC opens on lvl35 and you’re lvl46, so explorable modes will hit you hard. Explorable modes are kinda meant for lvl80s, or at least having some lvl80s in the group.

You get AR by buying a versatile infusion (or what’s it called, the one that gives 5 AR) for 75 fractal relics from the third golem in the fractal starting place. You place that like a gem into the infusion slot, it doesn’t matter what kind of slot it is, it works in all.

More info here:
http://dulfy.net/2012/11/17/gw2-ascended-gear-and-infusion-recipes/

Well if you want a hard-trinity in GW2, you ARE trolling. It’s like opening a topic on the Diablo forums demanding that real money AH should go. This game was designed the way it was designed. Without a trinity. You want a different game, you want this game to be something it isn’t.

“The OP probably agrees more with me about this”

And a lot of people in this thread don’t agree with you. So?

“1) It’s nothing like GW1, which I loved and played to death.”

Why should it be? It’s a different game, not to mention it’s not exactly the same genre. People should quit torturing themselves over games. You shouldn’t play a game just to wait for it to get something else that you can like. If you don’t like it, don’t play it – like you just did, which is fine. Yeah, I know, I’m not supposed to say that, because if people leave the game will die, bla bla bla… I don’t care. It’s only a game. If it’s worth it, people will play it and it will prosper. If it’s that bad, then people will abandon it and “it will die” – but then it’s not worth it, is it? Don’t get me wrong, criticism is welcome, because there are things in the game which need fixing, but you cannot “bring back” the trinity into GW2 because it never had it. It was not planned to have it. You don’t moan about a driving simulator not having healer cars either.

@Rukia

I can understand you if you are coming from GW1, I didn’t play with it much, but I can accept if GW1 players doesn’t like GW2 – it’s kind of a different concept… (Btw, your last sentence could be said about any other MMO…)

But this topic is about the trinity, which is not a characteristic of GW1, but other MMOs like WoW. In my last 6 months of WoW, I couldn’t step into raids or even 5man instances, because it was so kittening boring. You just stand there and do your rotation. I’m not sure what people smoking saying that the trinity is more interesting than GW2s combat, since I felt physical pain in half an hour when I had to help out in a raid in my last WoW-months. The trinity is FREAKING boring… Especially compared to GW2, where you have to move and dodge a lot.

Dasorine.1964:

Condition damage:

Pros:
Can deal damage while on the move, freeing you up to avoid more of those nasty attacks without loosing much damage

I keep reading this in topics about condition damage, but I don’t get it. I did about 5K damage with one death blossom (14 sec with runes and sigil) with my condition DD build. Now imagine how fast you do 5K damage with dagger or sword crits. It doesn’t take 14 seconds (nor can it be removed at halftime). It takes 2-3 seconds, then you can dodge for 10 seconds as well if you want to compare it this way… Sure, with a crit build you stay close and are more vulnerable to melee attacks, but you keep continuing doing damage as well – or you swap to your bow and pop 4K+ cluster bombs along with 1,5K autoattacks from range… I love my bow, I like that I can change to ranged as a thief. That said, condition DD is fun to play, but I just find crit better for the bow. I keep changing between dagger and sword in melee however because of sword daze (but dagger is still better if you need fast focus damage on something).

“The boon Might increases condition damage along with power.”

It seems this is an easily misinterpreted sentence. What it means is that Might increases condition damage AND power at the same time. 1 stack of might will give you about 35 power and condition dmg at lvl80. But power and cond. dmg are separated. Some even ignore power and go for crit/thoughness/conditiondmg gear (called Rabid) instead, and put some “proc on crit” sigils into the weapons. However, if you go for Carrion gear, you’ll get power along with vit and cond.dmg anyway.

Would you pay for Diablo if it had a subscription? Or TF2? Or CoD? Or Skyrim? The question is, why do you even ask? Oh sorry, silly me, I know the answer, you just want to discredit the game.

tonyl.5063:

A lack of trinity doesn’t make a game more fun to play, interesting game mechanics do.

Correct. The problem is that people think the trinity is an interesting mechanic…

teviko.6049:

It’s not that I want tank/healer/DPS, I just want a blend of roles, that when people are using together, have definition and have function, and synergy between other classes. And I would take a holy trinity if that is what it took.

I played a dps in WoW, a rogue. It took me some time to realize what is wrong with raids for me. It was exactly that I didn’t feel I’m contributing. My contribution was only a number, and even if it was a few hundred dps higher, I just didn’t feel that it mattered. After that, what remained was the rotation… Raiding with roles was boring as hell. Out of my 5 years of WoW, in the last one I didn’t put my feet into a raiding dungeon. But guess what, I still had a good time outside of raids, because there are other things to do in an MMO than raids. (There were/are a tons of casual people even in WoW who don’t raid. People seem to think that everyone in WoW always raids, and that’s the only thing it can be played for…)

Everytime someone asks about GW2, I say to them that they need to think outside the box, and not look at it like an MMO, because this phrase has just too much meaning attached to it. Think of it like an FPS/TPS with multiplayer. Are you bashing on an FPS because it’s a dps zergfest…? Yet people play FPS games for years as well. This game is just like that. There is a combat mechanic that you either like or don’t like, but the point is, the game is only b2p, so everything on top of the mechanics is just a plus.

By the way, did you enjoy your way up to 80 and some time after that? For how many hours did you enjoy this game? And for how many hours do you enjoy other games usually…? The game is not for everyone, it can’t please everyone, nothing can. If you don’t like it to the point you are calling it your ‘most abyssmal experience in your life’ , don’t play it – yes, this is the answer (you also should get a life, if you get so excited about a computer game…). If you don’t think the game deserves to be prospering, then why do you care? Why do you “torture” yourself over a frikkin game?? Are you doing this for other games as well? Why do you feel you have to force yourself to like a game…?

Don’t get me wrong, I know where you are coming from, I tried to like SWTOR, even bashed on it, well, not much, I wrote maybe 2 comments on the forum, then I moved on. I realized it was not for me (in my opinion it’s just a horrible game, but who am I to say what other people should like?), and just stopped playing it and didn’t care about it. You won’t change the game. Don’t get me wrong, it’s far from perfect, it has to get better in some ways, but you have problems with such BASIC features, that are not going to change. You want the game to be something it isn’t. You can’t have it all in one game, it just can’t be your ultimate game which has all the features in the exact form you want. And the bottom line is, it’s only a game, you take it far too seriously.

That said, I will just call people who bought the game and expected holy trinity and raids and all the things that were written down in black and white not being in the game, well, stupid…

So a game marketed as an MMORPG should offer a lot more for the same price than an FPS? Is this considered the normal point of view? You realize that you already get more and more content for GW2? We get DLC-like content for no additional price, while FPS games offer those for money. So you actually pay more money for an FPS nowadays than for GW2 if you don’t buy anything from the cash shop… It boggles me.

+1 to Rieselle. Don’t judge a game based on it’s label, judge it based on it’s price/worth ratio.

Tiger.7506:

Sky.7610:

Your endgame starts…now!

Do you really believe that?

It depends what you mean by endgame. What is endgame in a multiplayer FPS? You know, those which are played for years, like CoD, BF or TF2, etc. It boggles me how people can play these games with simple mechanics for years, but when it comes to MMOs, you don’t consider leveling the actual game, only this magical ‘endgame’ counts.

@Hellkaiser

What would be a proper discussion point for people who want raids in this game, while it was clearly communicated that there won’t be raids… I only reacted to this. I’m not saying the game is perfect, it has it’s flaws.

Vasham.2408:

I’d be careful telling people to go back to WoW. The way current population trends are showing makes it seem most GW2 players are following that advice.

So…? We should rather tell them to play a game they don’t like? If they like their precious WoW better, they should go back. If they want raiding, why did they come to GW2…? This game shouldn’t prosper because it’s “better than WoW”, but because it’s good on it’s own. Not to mention it shouldn’t be compared with WoW at all, which some people still can’t understand… WoW raids and their “replayability” based on the gear treadmill is the most boring thing I can imagine in a game, it’s more boring than anything I can do in GW2. The best thing is that I don’t have to play GW2 4 hours a day every day. I guess it’s subjective, but I don’t want that magical endgame you miss from this game, which keeps you occupied all in your freetime, I want GW2 to be simply a game which I’m logging into when I like and have some fun. If this means it “dies” in a year, then so be it, there are other fun games. My biggest problem with games is that I only have 24 hours a day and I can’t play all the games I want, and then there are other thing I have to or want to do in my freetime, so I don’t want ONE game to take all my freetime. GW2 gives me FREEDOM compared to those 3-4 hour FRIKKIN BORING raid-sessions in WoW.

By the way, weren’t these things said about GW1 when it started? Everyone compared it to WoW, they said it’s bad and it will die because it has no real PvE, everyone wanted it to be another WoW… And look how it died. You don’t need 10 million subscribers for a game to be successful, not every game is for the masses. You can’t please everyone, and there is no such thing everyone will like.

Still free, but you can only transfer every 7 days.

@Diva

“The fact you are equal power is not the point.”

You’re wrong, that is EXACTLY the point.

“You can be equal to another person, without even playing the game.”

And what exactly is the point in THAT…? You buy a game then pay again not to play it? Genious…

@tonyl

What has endgame on lvl80 have to do with the term RPG or MMORPG…?

@Nayru

I’m not defending the game, I’m only saying you want it to be something it isn’t. And this keeps you from enjoying it for what it actually is: a good game, nothing more.

Vasham.2408:

Braggo.7819:

this doesnt seem very good then, looks like i wasted £50

That about sums it up.

You’re playing it wrong. Don’t compare GW2 to MMOs like WoW for example. Think of it like an FPS/TPS game with multiplayer, and then compare it’s cost/worth ratio with those, since you payed about the same (or less, because we get “DLCs” for free). GW2 gives you an MMO playground, but frees you from the daily 4 hours grind you did in other MMOs. If you seek to play this game 4 hours a day, you’ll be disappointed. If you see it only for what it is, a nice multiplayer game, you won’t. If GW2 is not worth it’s price, nothing in the world is…

@Quaz

Maybe it’s you who feel forced to spend money in the cash shop, I for example, don’t. Why would you make the game easier, it’s already easy. Why would you “buy yourself out of the game?” It’s super easy to get exotic gear in this game. Ascended is kind of a “future” gear, which is at the moment only required for the content where you actually can get it, also that content is optional, there is no classic “endgame” and you’re not forced to do anything. If you feel like you are, the problem is maybe with you.

Exotic gear is aquired by just simply playing the game, just like TWMagimay wrote above. It seems to me that the complainers just can’t get themselves out of the gear-treadmill mindset, you are the ones who want to force that upon yourselves. Just play the game, enjoy it, and now and then buy a gear piece with the gold or karma or tokens you get, and get full exotic in 2 weeks… Where is that grind, I’ve yet to encounter any forced grind in this game. Gold just flows in with whatever you do, of course you don’t get gold by AFK-ing in LA and spending the whole day on the forums.

EDIT: I know, since I guess I’m your “common player”, I’m AFK-ing in LA a lot lately, because I don’t feel like doing anything, just playing around with builds, chatting with the guildmates, listening to wintersday music and such stupid stuff, and then maybe join an instance group when needed, or help out in leveling or something. And it’s not costing me anything in the game (nor IRL, only time, but the blame is on me for deciding to just chill out and waste time in the game). I don’t feel like I’m forced to play, I can just chill out and do these “useless” things, where I don’t get gold or anything. Just get yourself out of this “I have to play x hours today and I have to do this and that during those hours because else it’s not worth it” mindset.

“I know as I played WoW for years and came to GW2 to get away from the grind.”

Me too, and I’m completely satisfied. Whoever says this game is grindy and p2win, sorry, but has no idea what he’s talking about… It MAY be that way in the future, with more ascended gear intorduced, but they claimed ascended gear will be available trough other game modes not only fractals. Just like it was with exotic, which was (is) SUPER EASY to obtain. How in the kitten is getting a character to full exotic grindy and long in this game? If you find GW2 grindy, I don’t know what to say, you’re playing it wrong. Don’t get me wrong, it has it’s flaws, it’s not perfect. But claiming this game is grindy and p2win is the unbelievabliest thing I heard in my whole life, seriously… I would even call it pay2LOSE, because you can only get things for money you can obtain trough PLAYING the game. If you don’t find the game fun, just don’t play it, but don’t really see the point in paying more money so I have to play less in the game I payed to play (Diablo 3 being the perfect example where people payed hundreds of euros to skip the actual game they bought, which is the stupidest thing I can imagine)… Only thing you can do with money is save time, how in the friggin hell can you say your friend is “winnng” (winning what…?) over you by paying for something you obtained trough playing and (hopefully) enjoying the game…?

Anyway, Merry Christmas to everyone!

@ plasmacutter

My point was that legendaries and gear progression in general is not the goal for everyone. Aesthetics is subjective, some people might not even like how legendaries look, or just like other looks better (e.g. I have some basic leather armor looks on my norn char’s exotics, because I like it). I don’t say I wouldn’t transmog legendary looks if I liked those, I’m only saying that since I don’t want to do the grind for legendaries, I just simply don’t care, because in this game I can actually do this. It’s pure freedom. I can play this game the way I enjoy it and I don’t have to grind for it. This is a fact, I’m doing it.

I played WoW for 5 years so that’s where I’m coming from as well btw, but I didn’t play it for a year now, because I got completely bored of the grind- and gear-driven gameplay. I just don’t get why people seek for that in GW2. Even in WoW, gear was only a tool of progression for me, not the motivation.

I don’t really get this degressive thing, I usually come out from explorable dungeons with more gold (we used to run AC or CoF exp runs for gold in the guild). And I didn’t even understood what you were saying about not getting tokens, because you get tokens (that is, if you do explorable dungeons)…?

Btw, am I the only one who doesn’t play the game for loot? I never had an MF gear on me so far. I’m full exotic with 2 different sets with zero grind. At least nothing felt grindy so far. Whatever you do in this game, gets you gold, and then you just buy your gear on the TP, plus you go some explorable dungeons and buy the rest from tokens. I just don’t get what you’re saying…

About TP, I wouldn’t know, because I don’t craft, you can enjoy this game (and other MMOs as well) without any mondatory crafting. I just get gold with things which are fun for me, then buy what I want. I won’t have a legendary ever, but I don’t really care tbh. I don’t need it to have fun. I’m having fun by playing with my guildies, I play whenever I like, I’m doing whatever I like – and don’t do what I don’t like, e.g. I don’t grind for legendary – and enjoying the game for what it is, not for what I want it to transform into… Sure, the game has it’s flaws, some of them are big as well, but some complains are quite ridicilous. Some people need to get a life. And this game is exactly good for it, because it gives you so much more free time than other MMOs.

teviko.6049:

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Maybe you should read the description of hearts, just like quests in other MMOs and you would know why you are doing them. You can also talk to the NPC that “gives” the heart, jut like when you pick up quests in other MMOs. The only difference between quests and hearts is that you don’t have to go to the NPC to pick them up and complete them… Not to say GW2 is GOTY or not, but I just don’t get these kind of incredible rants…