Guild Wars 2

yawg.4172:

FC and AR, where are you? I need more loot bags

I take it you’re from SF. You faced us what, 2 weeks ago (can’t remember as these last 4-5 weeks have been a bit of a blur)? Not much has changed since then. Our WvW population is maybe 10-20% of what it was, so servers that can queue maps will win with numbers. Simple as that.

So, we’re rebuilding. It’s going to take some time. Until then, enjoy the PPT and the ghost land that is our BL.

Theftwind.8976:

Thorson.9218:

Theftwind.8976:

I thought Anvil Rock had a bit of class but when you have to resort to a known exploit in order to take out siege I have changed my mind. The thief in this picture came into the tower, before the gate was down, with only 2 defenders, and proceeded to destroy all the siege. He was followed shortly by another thief.

How sad. Oh Smile, you are on exploit camera!

As people constantly tell me, I will tell you: saying kitten like “AR is bad because 2 thieves used an exploit” is just silly. No way can we control the actions of TWO players. ProTip: REPORT THEM! I would if I saw them. We do NOT condone the use of any cheats or exploits at all, and will report anyone using them, regardless of what server they are on. Cheats and exploits totally suck and anything we can do to stop players from using them is a big plus (’cause lets face it, the game has a LOT of bugs so there will always be exploits out there, so the most we can do is encourage people to not use them via the threat of being banned, which is a pretty big deterrent).

Now, if you saw 20, 30, 40 people do this, like what was happening during the spawn camping BS (which has pretty much stopped, to TY all for that), then go ahead and brand the entire server as kittenheads. But TWO?!?! Sheesh. Just report them and move on.

But the thing is the 20 plus people OUTSIDE the tower knew full well how the arrow carts inside the tower were being taken out. They could SEE their people on top of the wall taking out the arrow carts. Just because they did not enter the tower in the same way as the thieves did they did manage to capture that tower thanks to an exploit. Does that not make them complicit?

I wasn’t there so I didn’t see the map chat, but they may very well have told them to stop and/or reported them. All I can say is I certainly hope that was the case.

Point is, as a server, AR doesn’t cheat, and we don’t tolerate those who do, whether they be on our server or other servers. We report them and let Anet deal with them. If we had a way of directly dealing with them, we most certainly would.

Steve Whitley.8359:

thorson cheats. he uses incredibly tiny asura to confuse the enemy into thinking he’s an ambient creature on the battlefield.

“is that a rabbit? wtf? … must be… too tiny to be a player. but it says “anvil rock major [PYRO], gotta be a mistake, looks like a rabbit. WTF that rabbit turned me into a moa, lame.” gg

SSSHHHH!!!! Quiet you fool, you’ll blow my cover!!!!!

:D

Theftwind.8976:

I thought Anvil Rock had a bit of class but when you have to resort to a known exploit in order to take out siege I have changed my mind. The thief in this picture came into the tower, before the gate was down, with only 2 defenders, and proceeded to destroy all the siege. He was followed shortly by another thief.

How sad. Oh Smile, you are on exploit camera!

As people constantly tell me, I will tell you: saying kitten like “AR is bad because 2 thieves used an exploit” is just silly. No way can we control the actions of TWO players. ProTip: REPORT THEM! I would if I saw them. We do NOT condone the use of any cheats or exploits at all, and will report anyone using them, regardless of what server they are on. Cheats and exploits totally suck and anything we can do to stop players from using them is a big plus (’cause lets face it, the game has a LOT of bugs so there will always be exploits out there, so the most we can do is encourage people to not use them via the threat of being banned, which is a pretty big deterrent).

Now, if you saw 20, 30, 40 people do this, like what was happening during the spawn camping BS (which has pretty much stopped, to TY all for that), then go ahead and brand the entire server as kittenheads. But TWO?!?! Sheesh. Just report them and move on.

kymaera.4739:

Thorson.9218:

So, DR….DR DR DR…..I have to ask: WTH???

It’s Noon NA PDT, 8/1…..you have nothing, zero, zip on EB. HoD earlier had your entire BL (they tried to take everything, but never could take AR’s NE tower). So what do you do? You attack AR’s BL vs. 1) trying to take ANYTHING back in your 3rd of EB, or even step foot into HoD’s BL out of…..what, fear? And now HoD is back in your BL taking it all, and you’re…..still attacking AR BL? You either LOVE us and just can’t get enough of us or you HATE us and are raging in our BL. O.o

Hard to have much sympathy for you. Last night, when you guys had nothing in EB…not even a single camp most of the time, you were attacking keeps/camps in DR’s third instead of reclaiming your own.

Not looking for sympathy, just trying to figure out your motive for it.

And last night we had our 1/3rd in EB, at least when I logged off at midnight NA PDT.

So, DR….DR DR DR…..I have to ask: WTH???

It’s Noon NA PDT, 8/1…..you have nothing, zero, zip on EB. HoD earlier had your entire BL (they tried to take everything, but never could take AR’s NE tower). So what do you do? You attack AR’s BL vs. 1) trying to take ANYTHING back in your 3rd of EB, or even step foot into HoD’s BL out of…..what, fear? And now HoD is back in your BL taking it all, and you’re…..still attacking AR BL? You either LOVE us and just can’t get enough of us or you HATE us and are raging in our BL. O.o

Well, we finally did it. Thanks to lots of recruiting resulting in a bunch of brand new WvW’ers, we were able to muster enough WvW resources to take back our 3rd in EB last night (which of course HoD night capped back….how the kitten do you guys have THAT many players and are stuck in T7???). I think we had about 40, yes FORTY players on EB to take our keep back, and it was a great fight. Thanks to DR for putting a kitten-load of pressure on SM keep to pull much of The Hordes of HoD away. By design or by happenstance, that really helped our cause.

So….finally, a spark of life is seen in AR. Keep it up guys.

And for those reading the forum and looking for a server to try out, come to AR. We don’t have any queues and love a good fight. Many AR guilds are recruiting, so roll with a few different tags to see which fits your play style and get an invite. All are welcome!

Theftwind.8976:

Now the one question to be asked and answered in regards to “spawn camping”. Are you intent on moving out into the enemy borderlands and capturing something or do you WANT to stay at your spawn, farming those that foolishly come too close to the Legendary defenders? If you are there to farm then I will in turn farm you. I have seen enemies gathered on the rock outside the SW tower that have no intention of taking the tower, even with only one defender inside yet they will kill the dolyaks and anyone running by solo. If a larger force comes by they quickly run back to their spawn.

Those types I will spawn camp and not feel guilty about it in the least.

I’m talking about our spawn in EB where the noobs typically “get their feet wet” in WvW, not BL. And the only farming they might do is as the cabbage, not the hoe.

@Shanks, when the noobs turn tail and head back to PvE because some kittenheads have decided to camp/siege our EB spawn, I’ll come here and ask them to either fess up and say “yeah, we want the ppt so shove it” and tell the noobs to come back next week, or see if they’ll have a chat w/ who ever is doing it and get them to go play with their toys somewhere else. If that’s stupid in your eyes, so be it. I want to add to our WvW population, not sit by and do nothing and watch it sink even further (assuming that’s even possible….is there a T9? ). Even our competition hates that we can’t provide a decent match, so most of them get it.

And for those following along at home, THIS is why folks on AR don’t really like Shanks……he abuses us as much as he does the other team!

j/k

obastable.5231:

here’s a novel concept …. and i realize this might be hard for you to grasp .. but there are 3 exits from spawn, so why not take one of your other options?

if you are dumb enough to continuously exit via the one being spawn camped then you are dumb enough to deserve to be spawn camped.

it’s like .. if you choose door 1 you will get kicked in the nuts when you walk through, but if you choose door 2 or 3 you will be able to safely walk out in to the world. yet, you are taking door 1 and complaining about being kicked in the nuts.

i do not understand.

LOL. Yet more kittenheads. Love it.

Yeah, I know there are 3 exits. The NEWBIES that I’m talking about here do not. Yes, we try to keep people at the spawn for this very reason – escort the newbs. That’s not always possible because frankly we’d like to play the game and not have to baby-sit newbs out of our spawn because of kittenheads who think camping it is “fun”.

Try, if possible, to expand your thinking beyond your little world….or not, I couldn’t care less. The majority of the people responding to this topic are totally clueless to what’s going on and are just proving to be….well, clueless.

Kanthar Turambar.9164:

Thorson.9218:

chandrawib.5489:

lolz … people are funny

This is what I’ve come to expect from HoD. We’re Outnumbered, obviously no threat to “win” this match, and they are sieging our spawn. CLASSY!!!! Guess the two alpha golems had ’em skeered, ROFL.

This is what I’ve come to expect from any server who is stomping a different server. Doesn’t say anything about the server, because every server has people who will do this or has had this done to them when the opportunity for it is there.

Don’t tell me you’re a guy who forms their opinion of an entire server over the actions of a few?

No, I don’t form an opinion based on a few. This isn’t the first time HoD members have done this. I base it on a DAILY occurrence of having our spawn camped. This just happened to be an added treat of having it sieged too. This sort of lack of class only helps to ensure our newbies coming to WvW don’t stay. GG.

chandrawib.5489:

lolz … people are funny

This is what I’ve come to expect from HoD. We’re Outnumbered, obviously no threat to “win” this match, and they are sieging our spawn. CLASSY!!!! Guess the two alpha golems had ’em skeered, ROFL.

Shanks R Us.2489:

Gab Superstar.4059:

Thorson.9218:

Oozo.7856:

Thorson.9218:

lunyboy.8672:

I was at briar in HoD BL last night, and there were around 30 AR trying to take it. So why on earth would you commit more people than you have online at any given time to one small south tower?

And if they were all there, who was fighting us off in EB?

PS. I have screens of it.

Post ‘em up. I haven’t seen 30 AR on the same map in months. I’ll use it as my desktop background to remind myself that there’s hope that we’re growing again.

As to why would we commit so many to one tower? That would assume there was any planning involved. My guess is it was a bunch of bodies from a lot of different guilds and they just happened to be in the same place at the same time. Once I see your screenie I can check the guild tags and know for sure.

You have to realize we have no large guilds any more. ALS was the biggest and they left, and now it sounds like they imploded and have broken up over on DB. Too bad as there were some good comms in ALS, but that’s their problem. They left us with our current problem of ultra low WvW population (once they left and we started to fall, the other large’ish guilds jumped ship too), so that’s what we’re focused on fixing through a new web site, recruiting in PvE zones, etc. It will take a while, but eventually we’ll get the numbers back.

All servers have zergs. The only question is how many. :P

I count maybe 15-20 players. There are lots of pets/minions/etc in there. And as I thought, there are lots of different guild tags in that mess, so it was just a mob.

Now if we could just get 2-3x that number on a map, we’d actually be able to push back on the zergs we face. Someday……

I laughed. Don’t forget clones, though.

Yeah, but these guys will still insist it’s 30+ and those of us on AR are “delusional” because we have no idea how many we have on our server. Meh, whatever. Kitten-heads will be kitten-heads.

We’ll keep fighting w/ our friend Outnumbered on our side and they can think whatever they want. I do see our numbers growing almost daily, so who knows, by reset maybe we WILL be able to field 30+ players on a map. WOOT!

Oozo.7856:

Thorson.9218:

lunyboy.8672:

I was at briar in HoD BL last night, and there were around 30 AR trying to take it. So why on earth would you commit more people than you have online at any given time to one small south tower?

And if they were all there, who was fighting us off in EB?

PS. I have screens of it.

Post ‘em up. I haven’t seen 30 AR on the same map in months. I’ll use it as my desktop background to remind myself that there’s hope that we’re growing again.

As to why would we commit so many to one tower? That would assume there was any planning involved. My guess is it was a bunch of bodies from a lot of different guilds and they just happened to be in the same place at the same time. Once I see your screenie I can check the guild tags and know for sure.

You have to realize we have no large guilds any more. ALS was the biggest and they left, and now it sounds like they imploded and have broken up over on DB. Too bad as there were some good comms in ALS, but that’s their problem. They left us with our current problem of ultra low WvW population (once they left and we started to fall, the other large’ish guilds jumped ship too), so that’s what we’re focused on fixing through a new web site, recruiting in PvE zones, etc. It will take a while, but eventually we’ll get the numbers back.

All servers have zergs. The only question is how many. :P

I count maybe 15-20 players. There are lots of pets/minions/etc in there. And as I thought, there are lots of different guild tags in that mess, so it was just a mob.

Now if we could just get 2-3x that number on a map, we’d actually be able to push back on the zergs we face. Someday……

lunyboy.8672:

I was at briar in HoD BL last night, and there were around 30 AR trying to take it. So why on earth would you commit more people than you have online at any given time to one small south tower?

And if they were all there, who was fighting us off in EB?

PS. I have screens of it.

Post ‘em up. I haven’t seen 30 AR on the same map in months. I’ll use it as my desktop background to remind myself that there’s hope that we’re growing again.

As to why would we commit so many to one tower? That would assume there was any planning involved. My guess is it was a bunch of bodies from a lot of different guilds and they just happened to be in the same place at the same time. Once I see your screenie I can check the guild tags and know for sure.

You have to realize we have no large guilds any more. ALS was the biggest and they left, and now it sounds like they imploded and have broken up over on DB. Too bad as there were some good comms in ALS, but that’s their problem. They left us with our current problem of ultra low WvW population (once they left and we started to fall, the other large’ish guilds jumped ship too), so that’s what we’re focused on fixing through a new web site, recruiting in PvE zones, etc. It will take a while, but eventually we’ll get the numbers back.

Cymric.7368:

Once upon a time long ago, when TA left HoD and we started our long fall from #1 down to tier 7, at off peak hours we could not even hold a single tower in our borderland.

I feel your pain AR, but trust me, it will get better eventually. Keep trying and it will happen.

Look at this match up. http://mos.millenium.org/na/matchups/history/24

GoM dominated, but one day in that week, we sweep the whole EB and turned it green. It was a huge moral booster and we stabilized in tier 7 after that.

Good luck.

Oh.. and that remind me, look at the next match up
http://mos.millenium.org/na/matchups/history/26

I still remember the amount of gloating DR spew onto the forums when they break out of tier 8. See how the tables had turn.

Thanks Cymric.

Yeah, we’ll get there….eventually. The fall has been toughest on the casuals. I see all the time in map chat as they log in, see our map the “wrong” color, make a few deflated comments, and log back out. They don’t even try. The die-hards (die-alots? LOL) are still here though, so watch out!! GRRRRR.

Kanthar Turambar.9164:

Thorson.9218:

JahRo.6432:

Opc.4718:

Everyone will learn to fear it when TFH owns the briar tower in your BL

We had great fun holding it today against HoD’s unamused 25 man zerg when they came around knocking after what we did in their BL, then wiped a good proportion of it when they finally got into the tower, all with a small man group. Plus some brave pugs. It was a fun night, and makes me feel better about this matchup c:

EDIT: The Video in all its zerg smashing glory
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WZwuJ4WnvSU

Don’t let our tiny population fool ya

I wish I recorded the farm on your 30ish man zerg yesterday at your Lake tower with VLK lol. Instantly killed.

You realize you’re talking to someone from AR and 30-man zergs don’t exist on our server, right? Hell, you could even count minions, pets, mesmer clones, and NPCs and you still wouldn’t get to 30, LOL. O.o

Zerg size is always overestimated by those fighting them, zerg size is always underestimated by those in them. I’m willing to bet if two zergs clashed and they were 30 man zergs, each side would claim the other had 50. Or they’d assume their own zerg only had 15.

:)

I suppose if he counted by 3’s he could have gotten to 30……

JahRo.6432:

Opc.4718:

Everyone will learn to fear it when TFH owns the briar tower in your BL

We had great fun holding it today against HoD’s unamused 25 man zerg when they came around knocking after what we did in their BL, then wiped a good proportion of it when they finally got into the tower, all with a small man group. Plus some brave pugs. It was a fun night, and makes me feel better about this matchup c:

EDIT: The Video in all its zerg smashing glory
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WZwuJ4WnvSU

Don’t let our tiny population fool ya

I wish I recorded the farm on your 30ish man zerg yesterday at your Lake tower with VLK lol. Instantly killed.

You realize you’re talking to someone from AR and 30-man zergs don’t exist on our server, right? Hell, you could even count minions, pets, mesmer clones, and NPCs and you still wouldn’t get to 30, LOL. O.o

kurath.9406:

Its unfortunate how few AR are coming out, but our server has definitely been there before so hopefully they’re able to bounce back a bit too.

We’re working on it.

We actually showed a glimmer of hope last night around 10pm NA PT when we had about 15-20 players ON THE SAME MAP…..WOHOOO….and were able to get our 3rd back in EB and start putting some pressure on HoD’s 3rd. We were still Outnumbered, but at least we could make some gains. Sorta sad when I get excited over 20 players on the same map eh? Ah well, such is our lot these days. We’ll recover. Until then we’ll keep fighting like cornered badgers and do our best to kick you in the kitten.

Dovgan.8605:

Gcostanza.2086:

These AR “made” their way into Briar in AR bl about 15 mins ago. No walls or gates down just these guys in the lords room.

So no one sweeps a tower(which by the way isn’t uncommon, we see a lot less sweeping than usual) and leave a mesmer inside and the first reaction is hacks? The mesmer is even targeted in one pic. Don’t feel bad though[KAOS] did this to GoM 5 times in a row with 2 players(neither a mesmer) and never got pinched.

SF suggested the same thing last match Dov, so we should be used to this by now. They asked for screen shots of the siege used to take SM because when they took it back minutes later (after we turned their T3 keep to paper, LOLz), they didn’t find any siege anywhere. They never considered that we had used golems. O.o

I guess with hacks/cheats/exploits being so commonly used by so many servers, people just assume that’s what happens with all servers. I guess it’s easier for them to accept vs. just being outplayed.

King Amadaeus.8619:

This game needs more competitiveness and less Mickey Mouse.

Then you need to play a different game. Any game that turns all four-letter words into “kitten” on their forum isn’t likely to appeal to the blood-thirsty types.

Thanks for the good times this week. In a previous post someone said they wanted “Friday” out of this match. Wish granted.

Best of luck and here’s hoping everyone gets the roll they want.

Jayne.9251:

This is when I first noticed it happening, right after the patch at the beginning of July:

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/support/bugs/Severe-issue-with-pets-in-WvW

Emailed Devon about it the same day I posted that in bugs section, linking that thread.

Thank you for reporting it Jayne.

Interesting that you noticed this so long ago, but only recently (this past week) have I seen it so rampant. Maybe the word has gotten out that there’s a bug and now it’s being massively exploited. Last night was a classic example at blue keep in EB. I counted 8 Ranger pets running around on our walls attacking players and siege, and the pets were every type.

Come on Anet, at least respond and let us know if this is a new “feature” or if it’s really a bug and you’re going to fix it. It’s been reported in 2 threads now with zero response, and it’s a fairly significant issue.

Thank you Jayne for reporting this.

Anet, this is getting out of hand. Last night in our keep in EB (blue keep), the walls were like a zoo. There were no less than 8 Ranger pets running amok on our walls attacking players, siege, you name it. Pets were all types: bears, birds, dogs, drakes…all of them.

Please fix.

Atistheso.4657:

Here is a beautiful example of sf stupidity : their whole zerg camping our wp for no reason…
They were not trying to prevent us from reinforcing a tower since we had already lost everything in this map.
They didn’t capped all the map so they could still attack the blue part.
But no, they would just stay here with their zerg and build balistas in front of our wp.
I wonder what kind of commander does that -_-

This has been going on the entire match. Obviously SF likes doing that. There is no reason for it given that the outcome of the match is already decided, outside of PPT. Given that SF is DESPERATELY trying to maximize PPT, they are doing everything they can to accomplish that, including spawn camping us. We’ll just tuck that away for our return up the rankings……

Keep in mind there are 3 ways out of the spawn area, so just use one of the others. They don’t have the personnel to camp all 3, because as we’ve seen, with near-even numbers, we can prevail.

Cantur Soulfyre.5409:

Thorson.9218:

Cantur Soulfyre.5409:

Thorson.9218:

Shanks R Us.2489:

HatSimulator.9362:

This was really fun. For once AR did pretty good. It is weird that we took this castle with no resistance then suddenly a huge zerg pops up to take it back

Maybe they wanted you to flip it so they could zerg WXP. Sounds like something people that play on EB would do.

Don’t think so. It was T3 when we took it and turned it into paper. I think we just caught them by surprise and by the time they responded we had already capped it. I don’t think they expected that from AR.

I am wondering, when you guys took SM, what siege did you use to get through the outer gates? Got any screenshots of that?

Golems. Lots of ‘em (ok, 9 of them, but for us, that’s a LOT).

Sorry, no screenies, but based on my experience so far this match, you all know what golems look like.

Wow, ya, 9 golems will power through some reinforced gates fairly quickly. LOL, yes, I do know. Just trying to figure out why nobody responded from SF to SM being attacked. At least, did not respond until it was too late. Good work on taking it so fast, did you have fun with the golems after that or just WP them back to spawn for something else? When I have a golem of my own I like to take it to the top of SM and jump off, just for the giggles.

Some went to their proper place (WP), others got used for other missions. Sadly all went poof when the patch was released.

Cantur Soulfyre.5409:

Thorson.9218:

Shanks R Us.2489:

HatSimulator.9362:

This was really fun. For once AR did pretty good. It is weird that we took this castle with no resistance then suddenly a huge zerg pops up to take it back

Maybe they wanted you to flip it so they could zerg WXP. Sounds like something people that play on EB would do.

Don’t think so. It was T3 when we took it and turned it into paper. I think we just caught them by surprise and by the time they responded we had already capped it. I don’t think they expected that from AR.

I am wondering, when you guys took SM, what siege did you use to get through the outer gates? Got any screenshots of that?

Golems. Lots of ‘em (ok, 9 of them, but for us, that’s a LOT).

Sorry, no screenies, but based on my experience so far this match, you all know what golems look like.

Visiroth.5914:

It’s a bug. You have probably noticed that tower/keep NPCs can run through walls to attack enemies sometimes. I’ve seen either the quartermaster or siege merchant run through a wall at Ogrewatch in EB to attack us. I’ve also seen the Red Keep Lord run through the inner wall to attack us while we were at outer. This has also happened at the Green Keep.

Odd that it was fixed a few months ago and now it’s back, like they reverted the change, because this isn’t limited to certain towers/keeps, at least not that I’ve noticed. It seems to happen everywhere. That’s what makes me wonder if this is somehow intended behavior.

I for one would love to see bird pets be able to do this. I mean honestly….it’s a bird….shouldn’t it be able to fly onto/off of a wall??? O.o

Maybe we’ll get lucky and an Anet rep will chime in……hey I can dream, right?

Virtute.8251:

Pay ALS to move back in (some of you still owe us for upgrades and solo-roam-or-go-home opportunities), and we’ll come naked-cap SM again. For old time’s sake, you know.

What, DB and T2 isn’t all you thought it would be? Hours long queues got ya down?

Bummer….. :P

Up to maybe 4 months ago, pets climbing walls was common. Then a “fix” was implemented because Anet said this wasn’t supposed to happen, and no more wall-climbing pets. Now, wall-climbing pets are back.

Anet, is this a bug or “as intended”? If it’s the former, it really needs to be fixed as I haven’t seen a tower/keep siege in the last few days where there weren’t enemy pets running around on the walls like there was a breakout at the zoo…… :/

Shanks R Us.2489:

HatSimulator.9362:

This was really fun. For once AR did pretty good. It is weird that we took this castle with no resistance then suddenly a huge zerg pops up to take it back

Maybe they wanted you to flip it so they could zerg WXP. Sounds like something people that play on EB would do.

Don’t think so. It was T3 when we took it and turned it into paper. I think we just caught them by surprise and by the time they responded we had already capped it. I don’t think they expected that from AR.

Prysin.8542:

Thorson.9218:

Prysin.8542:

Although, i’d agree that stealth could easily be extended up to 5 seconds without it causing imbalance. at best we can stealth every 10.5 seconds (considering skill cast, actual arrow flight and cooldown) as is, so a 2 second extention would not change much.

IMO the beauty of the new Stealth buff doesn’t have anything to do with actually being stealthed. I also play a Thief and a Mesmer, and 3 seconds of stealth is nothing. That barely covers the time needed for the animations. No, for us Rangers, the beauty is in the synergy with the MM line and Precise Strikes (25pts) and Remorseless (30pts). Remorseless has now been changed to grant Opening Strike when stealthed, and with Precise Strikes granting 100% crit chance on for Opening Strike, THIS is where the power in the new stealth pays off. It’s basically an on-demand 100% crit chance for the Ranger. Use it wisely…..

Now back to the OP’s topic of blast finishers – WOOT! Now you too can AOE heal by throwing down Healing Spring and tooting on your horn, or buff friends up with Bonfire and a honk! Everyone will LOVE Rangers now, and invite us to all the cool kid parties! OK, maybe not, but at least we’re a little more helpful to a group.

Remorseless/Precise shot is bugged, causing the “Opening Strike has 100% crit chance” NOT to reset when you stealth. So until this gets patched, that stealth is only a 3sec “get out of jail” card. I like it, no doubt about it. And i will use it to its full extent in order to kitten off thieves.

Bummer that it’s bugged.

Kitten off Thieves? With a 3 second stealth? Not likely, but hey, if it feels good to you, I say do it!

Prysin.8542:

Although, i’d agree that stealth could easily be extended up to 5 seconds without it causing imbalance. at best we can stealth every 10.5 seconds (considering skill cast, actual arrow flight and cooldown) as is, so a 2 second extention would not change much.

IMO the beauty of the new Stealth buff doesn’t have anything to do with actually being stealthed. I also play a Thief and a Mesmer, and 3 seconds of stealth is nothing. That barely covers the time needed for the animations. No, for us Rangers, the beauty is in the synergy with the MM line and Precise Strikes (25pts) and Remorseless (30pts). Remorseless has now been changed to grant Opening Strike when stealthed, and with Precise Strikes granting 100% crit chance on for Opening Strike, THIS is where the power in the new stealth pays off. It’s basically an on-demand 100% crit chance for the Ranger. Use it wisely…..

Now back to the OP’s topic of blast finishers – WOOT! Now you too can AOE heal by throwing down Healing Spring and tooting on your horn, or buff friends up with Bonfire and a honk! Everyone will LOVE Rangers now, and invite us to all the cool kid parties! OK, maybe not, but at least we’re a little more helpful to a group.

Insane Pancakez.9182:

Hey, WAR and any/all of AR you guys should all get online and play in like 1 hour 45 minutes I want to fight a huge zerg. Please be on

LOL! We could field every WvW player we (AR) have and you’d still not be facing a “huge zerg”. We might be able to get 40 people on a map.

The upside is, if you hate queues, come to AR. We never have ’em! ;-)

Yes, it’s really that sad……but hey, we’re still out there fighting! :-)

@VS (SF) – LOVE YOU GUYS!!! You are really good, and it is friggin awesome facing you guys on the field. Good tactics, good maneuvers, good strategy. If it weren’t for you, we’d have our 1/3rd back (EB), so good on ya for being tough fighters. We managed to chase you back into Brav a few times, but for the most part you blew up our mob/blob (but in our defense we were still fighting Outnumbered).

Looking forward to MUCH more of that going forward. /salute

katz.8376:

Thorson.9218:

If your attitude is going to continue to be one of "well, we’re the sheriff around here and if we want to give you an “attitude adjustment” then we will", hey, that’s totally your choice to make.

i’m the sheriff of no one. we’re barely keeping our heads above water the same as you..

and i didn’t really get a chance to participate in ET’s rolling your BL the other night. i logged on after work after all the big stuff was already taken.

Thorson.9218:

I’m not sure how continually camping our EB spawn…

ET has been spawn camping you? which guild tags? that’s uncool. i’ll have a chat with some people…or are you confusing me with SF? O.o

Thorson.9218:

or continuing to focus on us while leaving the other server alone…

hey, none of that, now. when i did manage to get online the other night, we left AR’s border about 5 minutes after to go defend ET BL… when we finished doing that, we went to SF BL and started taking stuff there. a weaker target is frequently a smarter target, but that doesn’t mean we don’t hit SF at all!

Thorson.9218:

A few forum posters do NOT represent the entire body of the server.

yes, and no. one or two loud mouths reflect poorly on the rest of the server. people are just like that… 99% of your people could be great, but everyone will remember that one guy who corpse-danced, or T – bagged with a golem… or kitten talked via tell or in the forum. its just the way it is and human nature. and it sucks

Thorson.9218:

We won’t stop fighting, and we WILL keep coming at you, regardless of how hard you try to get us to do otherwise. We’re Anvil Rock.

i wouldn’t have it any other way, sir. i hope to see you on the battlefield.

/salute

YES!!! My bad, you are from ET. I didn’t see that. I was 100% talking about SF. I’ve never seen ET camp our spawn, and /respect for that.

katz.8376:

Thorson.9218:

As you likely know, a VERY few people post on these forums, …Lumping all players together based on 1-2 posts just isn’t rational.

true

Thorson.9218:

we are fighting 100% of the time Outnumbered in EB

been there done that. hey, that just means nothing to lose and better loot to boot!

Thorson.9218:

to the point of camping our spawn

yup. been there done that, too

Thorson.9218:

The only difference I see in this match is the level of spawn camping from SF. I’ve never seen so much of it from the other servers that did it.

have you faced HoD yet? they had a pretty good zerg too…(i honestly don’t know. i didn’t go back and check the history)

Thorson.9218:

I think there may have been one person “talking smack”. I’m not sure that constitutes all of AR, but at the rate our WvW population is declining, by Friday it might…….

point being, one person, or a few, shot their mouth off… and, rational or not, someone else decided an attitude adjustment was in order.

i’m mostly trying to be nice, but honestly, the few AR i’ve seen posting… most of them are rubbing me the wrong way with the attitude of their posting. you guys aren’t the big dogs in the park anymore, but you still bark like you are. makes me agree with any attitude adjustment anyone on ET or SF wants to mete out to AR… maybe it’ll stick before you guys fall into the black pit of despair ET almost found itself in not so long ago.

I’m from AR, and I haven’t done any boasting.

If your attitude is going to continue to be one of "well, we’re the sheriff around here and if we want to give you an “attitude adjustment” then we will", hey, that’s totally your choice to make. I’m not sure how continually camping our EB spawn, or continuing to focus on us while leaving the other server alone does that, but hey, I’ve tried to come here and explain what’s going on. A few forum posters do NOT represent the entire body of the server. Apparently that message is falling on deaf ears. So be it.

@Sioux, 3 days of being spawn camped has gotten a few of us a bit “cranky”. While we generally remain polite and courteous on the field, if you happen to have been one of the SF that spawn camped us and got spiked, then, well, you likely got danced on.

I’ve seen at least one post that claims spawn-camping is a valid tactic. If PPT is all that matters to you, then absolutely it is! Don’t even let the other team on the field of battle! We don’t do that, even when we were in T5 and playing down-level servers, because we feel it’s cheap, but if that’s your thing, then have at it.

We won’t stop fighting, and we WILL keep coming at you, regardless of how hard you try to get us to do otherwise. We’re Anvil Rock.

Shero.3106:

Well, i heard AR was talking smack on the forums…. Decided to do something about it. Thanks for the XP!

Navnn.1980:

GG ET, thanks for the free badges and the 5+ golems you jus gave us at garrison in ARBL. I guess u cant take back your borderlands oviously cause ya all scared off getting wiped by SF. So thanks in advance for the badges you will give us in ARBL the rest of the week.

Also we took 3 keeps in your bl, and didnt get wiped once. Thanks for the XP and the badges! Love seeing that I guess u cant take back your borderlands cause ya all scared off getting wiped by SF. You may be right, but hey, we took over everything you had! Let me also say, Thanks in advance for the badges and xp you will give us in ARBL the rest of the week!

I think there may have been one person “talking smack”. I’m not sure that constitutes all of AR, but at the rate our WvW population is declining, by Friday it might…….

King Amadaeus.8619:

Thorson.9218:

So, SF, what are you looking for in this match?

Friday….

So….you aren’t going to play until Friday, you’re going to spawn camp us ’till Friday, what?

Amarinth.2384:

Let us not forget who started this. One of AR’s people decided they would swing their kitten in the wind in an attempt to try and show off. That, to me, was not making any type of good impression at all. You can talk all big but you can’t back it up. If anything, it’s AR who needs a dose of humility. ET at least tries and they earn our respect for that. They’ve given us some good match-ups and some really epic fights at times. I have literally seen nothing good from AR thus far, especially how their population is acting.
No, we’re not perfect. We don’t think we are. We’ve had our dose of humility and now we’re working to get better. We work with what we have and when we make mistakes, we try to learn from them as a server. It doesn’t seem as if AR has learned anything at all. Maybe that’s why they’ve fallen so low.
Have something to back your smack before you flap your jaw.

And welcome to our tier. ^-^

Couple things -

As you likely know, a VERY few people post on these forums, and that’s especially true for AR. Lumping all players together based on 1-2 posts just isn’t rational.

I’m not sure what it is that makes “big” servers do this (by “big” I mean large WvW populations), but the dynamic is 100% the same across every match we’ve had. The server with the largest population focuses on the server with the smallest population (we are fighting 100% of the time Outnumbered in EB, so a minimum of 1:3 advantage for you) to the point of camping our spawn, then come onto the forum and complain about us and proclaim “we don’t care about PPT, we want good fights”. Again, this is 100% repeatable, every matchup. The only difference I see in this match is the level of spawn camping from SF. I’ve never seen so much of it from the other servers that did it.

So, SF, what are you looking for in this match?

BP!!! Wow. Good job guys. I haven’t checked the mos site in a while (given AR’s meteoric fall) so it came as quite a surprise to see you guys whoopin’ up on our old buddy EB. What changed?

Good fights all around last night. Seems all of the teams are wanting this match to end with a bang. We had a particular blast blowing up the GoM zergball at Uplands in EB. How’d you like that siege placement??? ;-)

To GoM, I sincerely wish you guys a good roll tonight so you can be matched with servers that can provide you with more of a challenge. AR will be back, but until then we just don’t have the coverage to slow you down. I must say though, playing for the entirety of the last 2 weeks with the Outnumbered buff has been awesome. Look Ma, no repairs!!! :-D

To IoJ, thank you for once again keeping it classy on the field and on the boards. I always enjoy being matched with you guys, and while we couldn’t “bring it” like we did in the past, it was fun none the less. Best of luck to you all going forward. /salute

sephiroth.4217:

I KNEW YOU GUYS HAD SOME SORT OF HIT AGAINST ME! (or system atleast)

You guys had the SM north wall down and I was ontop of it, only way to get to me was to run past a zerg, go about 1500 range up to the stairs and double back to finally reach me and the amount of warriors and guards and thieves that ignored the zerg, pushed through and came onto those walls strait at me was insane… You also had 2 mesmers using temporal curtain pull onto me atleast 20 times ignoring everyone else from my server and a group of 5 or so at the bottom around the corner just standing there not even trying to fight until I was pulled off the wall… -.-

What did I do to deserve this outta curiosty?

It may have been your blatant kite-flying in a clearly marked “no kite-flying” zone. /shrug

Seriously though, we don’t target any one individual. Our philosophy is “Kill them all and let Dwayna sort them out”. That peeps seemed to come straight for you is the likely result of you being at the end of the wall. It’s typical mob/blob behavior to “push through” to the end and then turn back and mop up the mess they just made. :-D

sephiroth.4217:

I guess reindeers are not allowed ey.. What’s the go with this, Quaggans only?

The [ALS] and [TWIN] tags should have known better, provided you weren’t preventing a point/camp cap. The rest are pugs….there’s no accounting for what they might do.

Were you flying a kite? Kite flying animals are NOT OK TO KILL!!! They should be honored for their spirit, not to mention their dexterity (especially if they are the cloven-hoofed variety).

One last thought: if you are from GoM…..well, I do believe due to several spawn-camping episodes early in the match-up, you may have earned KoS status. So sorry if that’s the case…..really I am…..I’m not lying, I’m really and truly sorry…..oh who am I kidding, you kittenheads deserve to die. There. I said it. Happy now?!?!?!

Now where did I put my kite…….

bokkieskitten.8023:

AR WHY!?! WHY AR?!?!

Why do you have to kill a defenseless baby griffon! It just wanted to show you a kite!! Murderers!!!

/cry

…Also I will hunt you down, I don’t like being touched.

Please present me with their guild tags. They will be beaten, then killed, then beaten some more.

Thank you, and my condolences to the Griffon family. :`(

bokkieskitten.8023:

Thorson.9218:

Averaelas.1876:

Yeah but… we were saying little prayers for you

After you or others on your server murdered a solo, kite-flying pacifist. Hypocrisy!!!!!

For this, we will kill you all and listen to the lamentation of your women….and then kill the women!!!!

Or not.

:-)

P.S. We actually do love kites. ~~~~~<3

HEY! I wouldn’t come trying to kill this woman…. You’ve been warned.

You most certainly would fall under the “or not” category. :-)

Averaelas.1876:

Yeah but… we were saying little prayers for you

After you or others on your server murdered a solo, kite-flying pacifist. Hypocrisy!!!!!

For this, we will kill you all and listen to the lamentation of your women….and then kill the women!!!!

Or not.

:-)

P.S. We actually do love kites. ~~~~~<3

MegaManExpert.8413:

I know the pain that Anvil Rock is feeling right now, it the same that IoJ felt after Halloween event exposed most of the PuGs as PvE’ers then WvW’ers. Anvil Rocks moral must be at an all time low and it sucks to be at that state. I personally don’t want to attack Anvil Rock and will avoid any crushing blows if I can. Though if our zergs happen to meet on the battle field, expect a fight to the death. Right now Gate of Madness is force to be reckoned with and have made it clear to push on IoJ. I am not upset that Gate of Madness has pushed us hard and been all over our borderland and EB corner.

IoJ is all for working with other servers to improve there WvW moral since it benefits all servers in a WvW match up. I will try and bring up some kind of non-aggression pact or maybe an alliance with Anvil Rock with the other IoJ commanders/guild leaders in our Team Speak. I also would like to point out that I am NOT the voice for all of Isle of Janthar and what ever I say here is of my personal thoughts and observations of our commander base.

Do not give up Anvil Rock and know that even if your outnumbered you can still fight and grow as a community. Don’t give up Anvil Rock you can count on one IoJ commander to root for you and wish you the best of luck. As for Gate of Madness, you guys are tough and rather large in force, much respect to you guys (unless your buying intel off the IoJ spy, then shame on you) and keep it classy.

Appreciate the kind words. Yes, morale isn’t terrific, but as Dov says, I think we may have a view of the bottom, even if we haven’t reached it yet.

Don’t worry about hitting us. Bring it on! We really do like a good fight, and we’re pretty familiar with fighting with the Outnumbered buff. The only thing I’d ask is that servers don’t camp our spawn. I don’t believe IoJ ever did that, but GoM certainly did. That just makes people leave, and that’s not good for anyone.

And yes, if you see us on the field, try to stomp us! After so many weeks (and months) of fighting Outnumbered, we’re a tenacious bunch and often “punch above our weight”. If you beat us, good job and we undoubtedly learned some things and hopefully we can apply that knowledge in the future.

See you on the battlefield. :-)

styx.7294:

Your petition doesn’t make sense anymore. You’ve had the rating to be matched up with Ferguson’s Crossing and Eredon Terrace for a while now. 5 weeks ago we had more rating than you do now and we had Ferguson’s Crossing and Eredon Terrace (I assume you asking to be tier 8 is asking to be matched up with them) matched up with us. Heck, you had Ferguson’s Crossing last week.

We’ve kinda got more people than anyone else below Darkhaven, I think, so being matched with us is as zergy as it gets below rank 15. But even if ArenaNet changed your ranking to be equal to Eredon Terrance (current lowest rating), these are still the match ups you could be fighting.

Yeah, I made the request about 3’ish weeks ago after ALS left. I guess now we just need a good negative roll so we can get out of the 60 person zergball of doom (or, as Annie, my Superior AC calls them, LOOT BAGS O’ GOODNESS!!!!). :-)

I wish GoM a very HIGH roll this Friday (for all the right reasons, of course). :-)

Zumi.6384:

I don’t think I’ve left IoJ’s BL once so far this matchup

:-)

I’m sure there are some where this is the case, but the giant GoM zergball rolls through our 3rd of EB like clockwork, and once we manage to get it back, here they come again…..chugga chugga chugga. We can stop 10-20 if we have the people, but the 40-60 just steamroll everything. They are also very well timed, because I often see them show up before we can complete upgrades. Just lucky timing??? I think not.

And yes, these steamrollings are a BIG reason why I see people leave. They get rolled, and rolled, and rolled again, say “kitten it, I’ve had enough of this kitten!” in chat, and they’re done.

If we could push a magic button and move to T8 (or start a new T9!!!!), we’d do it. AR hasn’t been in a match since…..hell, I can’t remember when, maybe Jan/Feb, where we haven’t had the Outnumbered buff most of the match. We went 3 months against Ebay…..a full 13 weeks….with this type of uneven pairing. The new rating system is supposed to “fix” it so that doesn’t happen on a regular basis, but here we are what….4 weeks, 5 weeks…..I can’t remember…..into it and thanks to the fair weathers finally having enough and bolting, here we sit with yet another giant zergball server who, not satisfied with just taking all of our EB, camps our spawn!!!! Sorry, that’s not a server that want’s “fair/even” fights (though I do realize there are members of GoM that truly DO want even fights, the server as a whole……well, actions speak for themselves).

What I find ironic in this is Anet. They claim they want to even up matches so the existing player base doesn’t leave (leave the server, leave WvW, or leave GW2 entirely), and attract new players to WvW, yet they won’t even honor a petition to drop us to T8 to prevent the very population loss that they profess to want to prevent. Sigh……

bokkieskitten.8023:

Sororita.3465:

titanlectro.5029:

Personally, I’d be willing to get stomped in order to get that fight.

GoM wants fair fights is what you should really say…back when it was GoM/NSP/HoD where every week could be a new winner.

Last week, GoM taught FC how to use Arrowcarts, this week: can we teach GoM not to stand in them?

Yes, for the love of things and stuff… STOP STANDING IN RED CIRCLES GOM.

Killing me….I can only heal so much.

LOL.

Two comments:

First, re. the “we want tough/fair fights” comments. Interesting. We’ve heard that many times in the past from the “big” server in the match, but it always turns out the same: our third of EB and our borderlands are filled with players from the largest server. If you really want “fair/tough” fights (vs. PPT), why not attack the more capable opponent (in this match that would be IoJ)? I see a lot of comments in our chat about this as we all notice that IoJ’s third and their BL go relatively unscathed, while ours constantly turns the color of GoM. Same story last week. Hmmmmm.

Second….no, please stay INSIDE the red circles. They are your friend! Embrace them! :-D I managed to get my daily kills done in one tower defense (Veloka tower….I was the Norn Warrior on the cliffside raining death down on you last night), so please please PLEASE <3 the red circles. It was the only fun I had last night…… :-/

Colt.9051:

We at GoM have felt your pain long coming in terms of rebuilding after suffering mass population losses. We made do with what we had banding our veterans and our small guild groups and made us a pretty good force to be reckoned with with them, and when we eventually got some muscle with a few incoming transfers we’ve become what we are today I’m hoping AR shares the same success soon, as I’ve already had some pretty good fights with your teams already

Thanks for that.

Sadly, as Antara just posted, our decline isn’t over as we’re losing another relatively large guild (well, large vs. what’s left…..), so we’ve not hit bottom yet. Sigh…..

Sorry you got stuck with a withering server. Glicko just can’t deduct points from us fast enough to put us in the cellar where we belong.

Until then, we’ll just keep fighting with our old friend Outmanned (err……Outnumbered) and do what we can with what we’ve got. Enjoy the points…… :-(