Guild Wars 2

ryan.3915:

Toggles.1783:

All these claims about being “WvW” or “pro” or “good” or what have you then the first sign of possible trouble and they leave one after another to either stack up an already strong server that’s winning or they all bandwagon onto a server that will be winning through sheer transfer numbers all the while plugging their ears going ‘nah nah nah nah I can’t hear you over the sound of my PvP excellence’.

Can you believe my guild leader even tried to spin some crap about “knowing true loyalty”? As if I’m having a lack of loyalty because I want to be loyal to the server. hOkay.

Whatevs man, my bottom hurts now and I’m mad.

I haven’t heard of a mass exodus of guilds in CD. 1 has moved, another is looking to move. And when people say 200-300, it’s just the names on the list, not the actual people representing that guild. The actual number might be closer to 20-30 people.

I still bump into the other guilds when I PvE, kill dragons and crawling through dungeons. We have faced overwhelming numbers before and we were quite happy to fight those and guilds stayed put.

FAJita’s size since the merger is definitely overwhelming and not meant for this current tier. A better use of time and resources would be to speed them up to tier 2, like what they seemed to be doing to us in our last match up, until they interestingly gained a large proportion of IoJ’s WvWers.

Once the shift is done, people will return, knowing they can have more meaningful fights.

Yeah man, sorry to blow it out of proportion, I’m just unusually annoyed by this situation.

Expunge.4926:

Toggles.1783:

I’m disgusted by what happened today.

Servers like HoD/ET/SBI/IoJ/ now CD just giving up and transferring away is not dependable in any way.

All these claims about being “WvW” or “pro” or “good” or what have you then the first sign of possible trouble and they leave one after another to either stack up an already strong server that’s winning or they all bandwagon onto a server that will be winning through sheer transfer numbers all the while plugging their ears going ‘nah nah nah nah I can’t hear you over the sound of my PvP excellence’.

Can you believe my guild leader even tried to spin some crap about “knowing true loyalty”? As if I’m having a lack of loyalty because I want to be loyal to the server. hOkay.

Whatevs man, my bottom hurts now and I’m mad.

sorry buddy

but i do appreciate the irony of how vocal you were against the ioj transfers only for it to happen almost immediately to you too

FWIW, I’m not going anywhere.

KrazyFlyinChicken.5936:

Toggles.1783:

Altie.4571:

Karykarywook.2481:

Please point out that we were calling foul/crying/whining about FA taking over CD to the point of saying FA was beating us while we’re down.

Fixed it for you.

Thanks, that what going to be my post too.

I’m not surprised about the 0 points thing while we slept. I’d be upset too if a rag tag group of ~15-20 people were able to hold DBBL Bay against a larger than us FA and DB zergs who were not engaging each other.

TBH, most fun I’ve had for a while. I think there were three our four portal bombs right after each other on the lords room.

Fights for the Bay last night were epic

We actually saw saw DB knocking down your northern gate. So we just let them do it. When they went in, we followed in and went to your south inner to try and beat them to the punch while you defended against them :P

We managed to get into your inner, but we just didn’t have the numbers to take you down. Meanwhile, the defeated DB massed up and took hills while we were fighting you :P

Long story short: we were being big jerks—and it didn’t pay off So what’s the problem?

I think we tried to ninja in 3 different times using DB’s hard work of knocking down gates. 3 different times we failed. But it was hella fun.

Do I have a kick me sign on my back or something that says “complainer”.

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…hmm, I don’t see it…

To answer the question:
Nothing.

Nothing is the problem. As I said before

TBH, most fun I’ve had for a while. I think there were three our four portal bombs right after each other on the lords room.

Why does everyone seem to think everything is a complaint?

Haldunius.7864:

Toggles.1783:

Altie.4571:

Karykarywook.2481:

Please point out that we were calling foul/crying/whining about FA taking over CD to the point of saying FA was beating us while we’re down.

Fixed it for you.

Thanks, that what going to be my post too.

I’m not surprised about the 0 points thing while we slept. I’d be upset too if a rag tag group of ~15-20 people were able to hold DBBL Bay against a larger than us FA and DB zergs who were not engaging each other.

TBH, most fun I’ve had for a while. I think there were three our four portal bombs right after each other on the lords room.

Time out – nightcapping complaints are T4 and lower. T3 and T2 are 2v1 conspiracies and I think T1 is hack conspiracies. I see you tried to camoflauge it a little by throwing in a 2v1 conspiracy, but I still caught your nightcapping complaint. Next time lead with 2v1 and then end with nightcapping. It’ll disguise it a little more.

Um… when did I complain about night capping? Because I said my group went to slept? O_O

Yeah the 2v1 is there but that’s because it’s true. I’m not complaining though… we won that fight after all.b

Ya’ll need to spot melding all the posts you read together into thinking it’s just all one hivemind. People can talk about sleep without complaining about night capping.

I’m awake right now and not playing. I suppose now I’m complaining about day capping?

lol

Maniac.5163:

Karykarywook.2481:

Toggles.1783:

Last week – CD wins for weeks then dominated FA and FA cried foul.

Please point out that we were calling foul/crying/whining about CD taking over FA to the point of saying CD was beating us while we’re down.

Lol, why are you even bothering to respond to these guys? Seriously, just look at their post history. Word to the wise, don’t waste your time ..

Wanna know something? Well I’m going to tell you anyway.

One of your guys started that chain.
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/pvp/wuvwuv/1-18-13-CD-FA-DB/1263021
So maybe instead of saying “don’t respond to these guys” maybe you should say “stop starting it with these guys”?

Thanks for the massive fun in DBBL @ DB.

That 4 way fight in the lords room was exciting.

Edit: Ope, quick update
F 115,993 +320
D 89,916 +130
C 83,001 +245

Diashame.6328:

Either way, I’m on your side. My post was agreeing with you about the guy you quoted. These forums just don’t show nested quotes. /quote

Because some guy accusing me of being a sore looser when they know nothing about me or anyone in IoJ should be supported. Good one.
Then someone posts that I accuse the whole of cd for that comment and I defend myself and point out they Took my post out of context. Then you support that person. Good two

I don’t know you, don’t know if you’re a sore looser or not… that’s not what I’m supporting.

Dolores.5471:

I don’t think we can judge IOJ guilds for leaving their server

Agreed.

… unless three months ago they were making posts like this one:

The community on IoJ was strong enough before our recent transfers to make it this far, even if we lose the players we have picked up we will still keep queing up and competing for WvW even when we are down. Even in the worst case scenario we are in a win/win situation. We rise to the top and the scary curse of Tier 1 befalls us… we are back to where we started….which is the borderline of tier1/tier 2 and then we have good que times and pretty competitive and fun peak times. I know my guild isn’t going anywhere anytime soon and the same goes for most of the server. It isn’t inflated egos…

Tarjaic.5269:

I seriously wish that transfers would hurry up and end i so tired of the complaning, and the unbalanced tiers. Honestly ruining this game. Every freaking week either one team is destroying cause of transfers or is half dead cause everyone left lol. Hope the do 1 or 2 day matches again after transfers end so we can actually fight people that have similar coverage to each other. Good luck to FoJ or whatever your super server calls itself. CD i think we could actually have a decent match once that abomination of a server leaves lol. I hope for a more balanced tomorrow soon…looking at you Anet

I’d love to see a few quick matches after the lock.

One of the worst times I’ve had in WvW was when it was nothing be “get facerolled” followed by “our turn to faceroll”.

It can easily ruin over a month of WvW.

Hopefully this time we won’t have a couple T1 servers falling down a slow and painful death towards the bottom like last time.

I just want some balanced fights even if it means third place.

It’s only a huge mess up because of how long it took.

If paid transfers were locking in back during one of the last ‘huge messed up brackets’ things would be fine by now.

A one day announcement or stealth nerf could have worked too. Giving people weeks was too much time for scheming.

Rskippy.3620:

Toggles.1783:

QFT

If someone doesn’t want to stay on a sinking server, well w/e floats your boat.

Just don’t be double talking where I can see it or I’m going to call you out on it. Nothing personal, no ill will… just simple calling things as I see them. (granted I’m not perfect and will occasionally see things incorrectly. Though I highly doubt this is one of those times)

P.S. My condolences to you, Kylia for losing the vote. That always sucks but it’s nice to see leaders being good for the people instead of dictating.

As a member of kylia’s guild is say he is a great leader as far as all that is concerned, he gave those of us in the guild ample opportunity for input in to where we go or even if we go.

But calling things as you see them must be used rather loosely in your terms.. because we have blatantly been called bandwagoners yes? That would imply that we were following a bandwagon ie. All moving to a server that has had a recent influx.. if we went to say maguuma or kaineng (given their mass influx lately) I’d agree, we would be bandwagoners.. instead we chose to move as a community to one place.. re-locating and bandwagoning are two different things.

Yes we moved from a sunken ship but it was largely for quality of play for the dedicated WvW players. The players who did their best to get the massive IoJ pve community in to WvW, though that last ditch attempt just didn’t work.
So yes we decided to move, but to a community that would welcome our community as part of their own and one which we could all have fun on, rather than going somewhere with hour long queues.. or without overcrowding a low server and have weeks and weeks of boring play against servers that just don’t stand a chance.

Why’d you quote me? I didn’t call your guild bandwagoners. When I mentioned the word bandwagon, I was referring to something that started 3 months ago. Follow my link from a few post ago to get what I’m talking about.

Now, about that nasty “calling things as you see it” thing, or point of view(pov).

I’m not going to specifically call your guild anything, I don’t know you people, specifically.

Take your pov and zoom out a bit for a second.

You and your leader keep saying “[go] from a sunken ship”, right? That implies “after the fact” or a reaction. What is the reaction to. Answer: People transferring off of IoJ in droves.

So yes, you are correct. You did not bandwagon onto the servers you mentioned.

However, you did still band up on the “leave IoJ” wagon.

I’m not criticizing you(or your guild) for it nor am I judging you; to each his own.

P.S. I don’t know if this got lost in translation or something but I think positively of your leader for giving the guild an option instead of deciding for it.

kylia.4813:

You really don’t understand the guilds in IoJ’s numbers then. The Large guilds, did not move to FA, they went to K-aing, SoS, SoR and JQ, oh and one to Blackgate.

You’re right, I don’t. Because I see multiple people saying that a large part of IoJ went to the same place. One user from IoJ even said:
" …and if you look at the transfers, ultimately chose overwhelmingly to stick together."
…talking about the IoJ transfers.

No matter how much you downplay the amount of transfers, I fail to see how your words line up with what’s been happening. From my point of view you’re saying a lot of conflicting things that don’t line up. To me, it’s all just spin.

loneknight.8425:

Seriously I don’t get this whole ‘server loyalty’ brouhaha & it has irked me. To me there is nothing wrong with playing to win & there is nothing wrong with staying behind with the community you love. Everyone has the right to determine own reason/s to play the game
for, so why is there a need to seek others approval on how you play the game? After all, you bought the game, not others.

Btw, I have been with CD since day 1 & I miss Orr farming with a few of my buddies who had transferred to other servers. Can’t wait for Guesting feature to be implemented

This seems like it could be at least a tiny bit directed at me so let me explain my part in bringing it up with a link.

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/pvp/wuvwuv/10-12-ET-IOJ-CD/443902

The reader can decide whether I was right or wrong.

kylia.4813:

Actually the move had no intent around a super server, infact when discussed we all said we would be happy to stay in tier 3 as some of the past weeks in tier three have been some of the best in regards to combat.

And it wasn’t a jump ship, it was, oh crap we have already sunk, lets try to swim to the surface kinda feeling
Of course you would have to be someone that doesn’t only think about winning to understand that our goal was to be with people we thought would be fun, instead of worrying about being in a server that will always win.

Wait wait wait…

• Move = not a super server
• Happy to stay T3
• Last few weeks had some good combat

…so what you guys do…

Have one T3 server mass exodus(your server’s own paraphrased words) into the other T3 server.
O_O

Could you help me see how this is not creating a T3 “super server” while retaining the “good combat” that you guys are happy to stay around? Because to me it sounds like ya’ll just care about winning over us after being beat so many weeks in a row… which leads me to…

@ the winning comment at the end
You obviously don’t know CD or it’s history.

Raincrow.1840:

Rskippy.3620:

I can assure you this is not the reason we chose to move to FA

You chose to move to FA because you wanted to create one super server out of 2 good servers, I get that, and it’s fine (though I would guess most people have far more respect for the original FA and IOJ players who stayed, than for the group of people who jumped ship to create a super server).

The bitterness is in regards to the forum posts that act like CD deserves to be punished for, well basically nothing. I just can’t wait to see you guys go against Magooooma. If you think CD talks trash some of you are in for a real wake up call.

People in this thread acting like CD run their mouths without stopping have a horribly convenient selective memory… which is why I’m so amused at the implosion and the spin they keep trying to put on it.

At any rate, hopping on the good old bandwagon doesn’t seem to be against the WvW rules so let them jump ship as much as they want.

Blrrgh.6908:

Toggles.1783:

Jimmybass.2159:

eithinan.9841:

is blarrgh on FA?…or totn and big lady?…

Blrrgh is on FA. Hel (formerly Totn) is now on SoR.

Oh I remember that guy!

A few months ago when IoJ had some big server transfers coming in I had a discussion with him. I said they may get to tier 1 but ultimately they needed to be careful otherwise the server would drop like a stone just as quick as it rose up. S/He laughed in my face and called me names getting our discussion deleted…

• looks at the rankings *
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  I guess I was wrong.

There was also a lot of false loyalty bravado coming from a lot of the posts in those threads months ago. What’s happening now puts a smile on my face and I don’t even care if CD is behind this week. AFAIC I didn’t need to be a part of the leftover T1 faceroll next week anyway.

CD has weathered a lot and shown that it has a solid core group of people that I’m happy to share a server with.

Actually, I am still on IoJ, fight in WvW there every day, as well as on FA, and on a EU server. The “false bravado” of IoJ community members is mutual respect and the loyalty of people who have become friends and allies through highs and lows, and if you look at the transfers, ultimately chose overwhelmingly to stick together.

I still get to WvWvW with most of the great IoJ W3 community on FA, with a bunch of new great people. If I want to PVE and WvW casually/help out, I go to IoJ. If I want to keep an eye on T1, I go to EU. If I want to work with a great group of W3 teams and my amazing guildies I just log into my FA account.

Win Win Win.

Food for thought:
90%-95% of the WvW community of IoJ left the server.
Server population remained Very High/Full.

One final note, name calling is not something I need or choose to do. We both know the truth about what is going on here, and I am not foolish enough to fall for the bait. Good luck to you and your friends ; D.

That’s cool, that’s cool.

BTW, do you think that’ll fly with my wife? You know, “playing around” on the side while staying “loyal” to her? Just curious because that could turn into something fun. Especially if I can get a little “Fort Janthir” action going. You weren’t kidding when you said win win win. * gets lost in a day dream drooling like Homer *

Anywho, happiness is good. I’m glad there’s a lot of happy people around here. More people need to be happy.

Keep up the fight guys because CD isn’t going to slack. We’ve faced much worst than this in the past yet here we are.

Enikuo.9205:

I’m still in the wait and see camp. I won’t spend anymore money on the game and I’ll play a lot less. I’ll dig back into my Steam backlog in the meantime. The AMA didn’t really restore my faith in the brand. I feel like I just need to see what they implement – I don’t trust that I understand where they’re really headed. I thought I understood their philosophy before, but clearly I didn’t. I did appreciate Chris’ willingness to spend so much time answering questions though, including some of the tough ones. That gives me some hope.

Very well put and (more or less) sums up my opinion right down to the steam backlog.

@OP
Am I going to give them a second chance? Well that depends what "second chance " means.

My wallet is definitely on hold and CC info deleted(for security reasons incase I randomly decide to stop playing one day) unless the game returns to the state I understood it to be upon purchase and was at launch. My playtime allotment for GW2 has greatly decreased. I’m not ‘on strike’ officially but I’d be lying if I said these issues weren’t the pressing cause of my decline.

Will I trust Anet again? Well, apparently there is a big communication problem between Anet and myself. In the AMA, Mr. O’B indirectly told me the problem lies with my ability to accurately understand what I read. Whether or not he was accurate is irrelevant to the communication rift between us. Because of this communication problem and because I can’t just call them up for clarification, I definitely need to rethink how I handle this game. So while it may appear that I don’t ‘trust’ Anet anymore it’s really more a matter of me needing to protect myself from ‘misunderstanding’ Anet again.

Does second chance mean I’ll play GW2 ever again? Well I can’t see why not. It’s true that, unless changes come to rectify my issues, I won’t be playing like I used to nor consider it my ‘main MMO or game’. However it doesn’t harm me to play it facetiously since I’ve already paid for it and a refund isn’t an option. (especially since I’m still very happy with the CE statue and would not want to return it).

Romeo.4378:

Well it’s no secret that the last few days has seen the GW2 community divided on many issues. Topic words include ‘Manifesto’, ‘Philosophy’, ‘Grind’, ‘Gear Treadmill’, ‘Vertical/Horizontal Progression’ and so and so forth.

Well the AMA on Reddit has finished and for those that have read it, it is again likely to divide opinion.

For me, however, it comes down to this:

Are you going to give Anet a second chance?

Again, it’s no secret that for many of us, gaming is very important to our lives. Whilst I cannot say I fall into this category these days, I certainly used to, and because of this I understand that for those of you playing for 8+ hours a day, Anet’s recent ‘betrayal of the manifesto’, has been taken very personally.

For those of you under that category, you are understandably asking questions such as ‘Why should I trust anything Anet says again? The answers on the AMA say ’we are working on this’, ‘we are aware of that’ but they have completely ignored everything they have said in the past, they could do it again.’

Are the answers in the AMA enough for you? Can you bring yourself to believe what they say again?

I can.

My own personal stance is that I have not heavily invested in the hate train. I cannot say that I have enjoyed the game as much as pre-patch. I think the population is heavily fractured, between those stuck at low level fractals, and those too scared to jump off the fractal treadmill for fear of being left behind. I immediately disliked how difficult it is to get Ascended items but am also pleased to find out that they are going to add more ways in which to obtain them. I disliked the patch but didn’t get caught up in the uproar. I personally think a lot of your reactions over the past few days have been embarassing and undignified. A lot of your responses, though, have been thoughtful, philosophical, well-organised.

Personally, I acknowledged that Chris both too responsibility for this fallout, and apologised for it.

I am also ready to give them a second chance, and so is my wife and so here we will stay.

So yeah, I am not saying those of you leaving are wrong or right, just showing my own personal stance on the matter.

I am going to stay and give them a second chance.

I’d like to hear your own stances and plans now.

Thanks.

Personally, I find this part of your post to be embarrassing and undignified as well as detracts a lot from an otherwise well written OP… and now I’m doing it.

Check you spam folders.

Gmail flagged mine as spam.

Maz.8604:

Zynthetic.2954:

The TLDR of the past week is;

=>Vocal minority locusts QQ they have nothing to do, even though they probably haven’t done most of the content yet anyway.

=> Anet introduces the Ascended gear treadmill to shut them up.

=> Vocal majority, also the legit fans of the game go WTF?!?!

=> Legit fans explain in detail why it’s a bad idea, what’s wrong with it, and what they could have done instead of adding grind.

=> Apologists don’t understand the consequences, nor the other group’s viewpoint, and tell the legit fans to leave the game.

=> So the legit fans leave when Anet makes no attempt to respond to the PR disaster.

And now there’s a 50 / 50 chance this will go down as one of the biggest mistakes in the history of gaming. Well, I think anyway.

I can picture John Smedley going “Oh dear” in a stuttering Piglet fashion. Mind you, YEARS later, Smedley admits that the Star Wars Galaxies NGE was a bad idea and apologized. Damage was done, however. The game never recovered, and only the IP kept it alive.

…How strong do you think your IP is, Anet, compared to Star Wars?

We complain and make posts like these because we care about the game.

Learn from other’s mistakes, don’t repeat them.

Let me add to the list LotRO and radiance(agony). Interesting how ‘agony gating’ is giving so many of us agony.

It was for me. I was unable to reconnect to a server that hadn’t already finished the end fight.

Ethics.4519:

In his original post he never said legendary was better than exotic. However, I think we can all agree they are, and also were intended to be. There is a bonus to legendary, they have slightly higher stats than exotics, therefore are better.

They are supposed to look better as well. All he was referring to was the time it takes to gain these items when he said “between exotics and legendary”. Although bravo at the somewhat subtle attempt of picking off an irrelevant point (albeit incorrect)

Sorry if I’m not understanding you correctly but in the current state of GW2, Legendary weapons have exactly the same stat allocation as Exotics.

http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Twilight
995–1100
+179 Power
+128 Toughness
+128 Vitality

http://www.gw2spidy.com/item/13701
Weapon Strength: 995 – 1100
+128 Power
+128 Precision
+179 Toughness

Same 995-1100 damage, same +179 dominant stat, same +128 secondary stats. I’d have linked to the Invaders Greatsword which has identical dominant and secondary stats but couldn’t find it on either site. It’s at the Weapon Trader in WvW if you don’t believe me.

Of course this won’t be the case once the ascended tier adjustment is made.

Some people may find this an interesting read.

http://www.lotro.com/gameinfo/devdiaries/1043-update-2-radiance-removal-developer-diary

It’s a dev diary from Turbine talking about why radiance ended up needing to be removed.

A quote from the article talking about radiance:

“As it turned out, however, we created nothing more than an arbitrary gating mechanic that forced players to get “keys” in order to enter raids.”

fellyn.5083:

If they started off as a tier above what was/is currently available in the game that would give people the impression that the game is all about vertical gear progression.

The way they are doing it everything stays the same, except for now the best armor to get has pink letters instead or orange letters.

>snip<

I’m sorry but I don’t understand this.

How would it imply vertical progression?

How does this new tier not imply vertical progression?

If everything stays the same except for letter color, how many times can this action be repeated before everything doesn’t stay the same?

I’m excited about new content.

I am NOT excited about a higher tier grade and agony(LotRO radiance).

Alice.8694:

Actually what they are doing is demoting Exotics to fancy Rares.

Actually, they are not doing anything of the sort.

Death by Chickens.6902:

This outrage is hilariously stupid.

I guarantee an ANet dev will post in the next few days and explain that NO, they said nothing about adding new equipment tiers every 6 months, and as the blog explained, they saw a need to bridge the gap between Exotic and Legendary by adding ONE new tier.

You people are going to give yourself aneurisms over nothing. Stop freaking out. Constructive feedback is great, but ya’ll are taking it too far.

Just a fyi incase you don’t know, a lot of people think the anti-outrage is, as you put it…

You say they saw a need to bridge a gap. they’re doing exactly the opposite of that.

They are actually creating a gap between exotics and legendary.

Omega.1473:

This is because P.O.S no-lifers spent 1000 hours in the game since launch and are now complaining because they’ve done everything in the game faster than any development team can hope to keep up with. Now those whiny MMO addicts have twisted the one game that didn’t pander to them.

Quoted For Truth.

Anet, I trusted you. After countless other developers and companies lied to me and spat in face, I still trusted you.

Anet you have taught me a valuable lesson, I should not have trusted you and expected your words to be exact, literal and meant.

Sincerely,
Someone who enjoys GW2 and it’s manifesto/golden rule.

I read the thread and this is exactly the same stereotypical whining every MMO has to go through because of a certain type.

Keep it up all you want but the majority of us see past your transparent complaining through to your ulterior motive. The only things it can lead to is everyone ignoring the certain ‘type’ or everything being nerfed into oblivion.

Bunzy.8674:

In terms of survival thieves can run faster then any other class, they can port with shortbows not to mention stealth. They have one of the best if not the best survival options.

Engineer has perma swiftness

port with shortbow. burst you down fast… pick ONE because thieves sure can’t do both

best survivability… guardian and mesmers would like a word with you.

scoobymode.1942:

Better question…… Who is the best commander that HASN’T SWITCHED OFF YOUR SERVER YET?

I know, right? A good commander that has stayed put since the start is few and far between.

Guild Wars Fan.3249:

oh….one last thing before I pretend to do some work

for those of you having trouble with the ‘reply’ button not working, I made a short vid for reenabling it via Firebug/Chromebug:

http://youtu.be/FV6wo22zvv8

You can also copy the link from the perma-link button (which always shows up for me), paste it in your bar and add “/quote” at the end then hit enter.

It also works with “/edit” “/delete” “/report”.

… and then the bored BG players temp transfer to other “close-ish” match-ups and fubar them. (yes, that happened)

9 day WvW ban when transferring please!

Nucleotides.6928:

leave it at every 24 hours. but a week ban on doing wvw. DONE.

week+2 please (9 days)

Reasoning:
So that transfers can’t directly influence a match up.

We know what this week’s match up. We can pretty easily figure out next week’s match up.

The weeks after that become increasingly harder to predict, especially with the 9day lock out factor.

Plus 2 days instead of +1 day to cover the start(the two busy weekend days) of the new match up.

I’m Toggles.1783 and I was entertained by this message.

Victims of server transfers and broken WvW mechanics.
-Every server getting facerolled

It’s all skill and we’re just that awesome.
-Every server doing the facerolling

OMG this is so much fun!
-The lucky tiers who got an even matchup that week

Youniverse.4395:

Fairly easy to make it so? Do you think coding is simply “Treb-0 (within castle)”?

Consider that the system is already in place since you can’t siege within your starting points… it shouldn’t be difficult.

and the people rejoiced! (i mean that, i happy to have read the OP)

Though… how about a statement on transfers and how they affect WvW or even just acknowledgement on the issue and reassurance that something is in the works? nudge nudge

Free transfers should have a 9 day ban from WvW.

9 instead of 7 to cover more bases.

mangarrage.1062:

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/pvp/wuvwuv/Sanctum-of-Rall-vs-Northern-Shiverpeaks-vs-Yak-s-Bend-WvWvW-10-5-12/first

This is a prime example to look at. This was the closest matchup so far. Just glance at the SS and who has what orbs and how many in each one.
The orbs made no difference in this match whatsoever
And it made no difference because the ranking system worked this week for these 3 servers.
Cant get matchups right across the board with transfers

Again I’m not against some change to the orbs but we are looking at mass changes to servers strength week by week. Almost having a FoTM servers, right now its 5 servers who knows next week it could be a new 5 and the matchup will be lopsided again

From that thread: https://dviw3bl0enbyw.cloudfront.net/uploads/forum_attachment/file/12548/WvW_1650.jpg

This is one of the sexiest screenshots I’ve seen for WvW. I can only imagine how phenomenally awesome that match-up was and I regret not being a part of it.

Hopefully Anet will be able to get all this under control and sooner rather than later(before it’s too late) so that we all can start experiencing the true potential of fun that WvW has to offer!

I think tier 1 and 2 servers are automatically disqualified from this title. (despite certain servers ‘wanting every title’)

I’d say lower tiers have more resolve/fight. It’s easy to fight when you’re on top/winning… and not just in a match up either, but in the rankings.

It’s easy for people to be the best and justify not being the best but are close. Dismissing ‘the top server’ or ‘not being the best because they have more zerg 24/7’ is very easy to do.

Because of this we must look towards the low-mid to bottom. Here we will find the servers that truly are full of the fighting spirit.

Which server jumps between bottom and second to bottom tier the most? THAT server, to me, is the scrappiest server as escaping “the bottom” only to be shoved back into it is very demoralizing yet they keep the fight up week after week despite the top(glory) being completely out of reach for them at that time.

Suggestions:

Don’t stand in red circles
Dodge roll
Those fancy skills which remove conditions
Combos that remove condition
Kill the rangers
Siege weapons
Coordinate your own counter attack against them

I’m sure there’s more(I’m not even a ranger)

I get what you’re trying to say with the double thing but that can’t be properly used here.

Being without orbs is not -150 15%, it’s 0.

simplified version
everyone starts at 0
each side gets their own orb = everyone +1(we’ll call it)
one side gains all three orbs = one side +3 two sides +0
the difference between +3 and +0 is 3, not 6.

Even if the +3 orb server A loses all three orbs to server B, it’s still only a difference of 3. I think what you’re wanting to do is say that server A is going from +3 to 0 against server B which went from 0 to +3 thus there is now a difference of 6. That is incorrect logic for the topic of orbs in WvW.

There is only a max possible 150 15% difference.

[Edit] P.S. – I do agree that there are snowballing and orb issues in WvW, however.

I agree with OP.

While the topic isn’t really an issue to me, it just makes sense(again, to me) especially with the whole ‘downed state’.

Lock transfers to high pop servers.

Lock transfers to (egregiously?)winning servers.

Lock transfers between servers currently in a WvW battle.

Watch WvW rankings normalize.

Fix the remaining WvW problems after normalization defines them better.

Profit!

(there’s not even a ??? step! that’s how awesome this plan is)

Would love to see an official response to this.

Give it some time. New things always need to be ironed out.

There was no way for Anet to have WvW fully tested and fleshed out prior to release.

When it’s ready. ™

;)

I’m sorry if this sounds harsh but… if it’s not a very scientific experiment then it’s not worth taking the data seriously.

Please focus better thought into it and meticulously post the data if you care for your findings to be taken seriously.

Not much for me to say other than I completely agree with the thread title.

I was fervently reporting bots left and right, going through the tedious process of reporting gold sellers before blocking them… and now I’m left wondering if I should regret my efforts since DR seems to be what it got me.

Needlessly horrible blemish on such a great game.