Guild Wars 2

Warning, anecdote ahead.

My wife and I LOVED this game at launch. Fast forward over off topic opinions of certain post launch additions…

After doing all of the Jubilee achievements, we took a much needed break from the game. (Up until that point I think I missed maybe 4 dailies)

Today we logged back in (after procrastinating for almost a week) to hurry and finish up the current LS. After a few hours of complaining to each other that we weren’t having fun in the zerg fest and then figuring out we needed to do it for a few more hours before regaining access to the gauntlet… well we happily logged out.

Now our problem is not with the game, or the content, or the difficulty/tasks… it’s with the time table.

Constantly when we talk about the Living Story, the common statement is that we’re amazed by Anet’s frequency, but we want to be able to do it on our own time and not when is dictated due to limited time availability.

There are far too many ‘use it or lose it’ mechanics being added to this game and it’s been increasingly pushing us away from a game we loved.

Again, Anet is doing an awesome job with all the additions to the game and should be commended but they really could use to lighten up on the “NOW OR NEVER!!!!” “time gate all the things” attitude. (seasonal events aside, those make sense as reoccurring ‘now or never’)

I have a thief. He was my first character leveled. When I go to WvW, about 60% of the time I’m on my thief.

Oddly enough, I’m okay with the idea of bp+hs spam being inhibited in some way.

Klawlyt.6507:

I think the core of my argument still stands regardless.

Please don’t take offense but I didn’t read past this. I’m pretty much done with this topic. I said my piece and that’s that.

However:

Your pressure to do anything in this game is placed there by yourself.

I always agreed(like 90%) with that statement. In retrospect, I should have mentioned that to save on confusion and your time responding. I apologize.

That being said, self pressure or not, I feel a game should feel like a game and should be able to be done at one’s leisure. I’m against pretty much all forms of gating.

If people want to burn themselves out on a game and jump ship so be it. They’ll do it anyway as we see with the release of EVERY modern MMO to date. Huge influx at launch, server mergers or ghost towns 6 months to a year out. Catering to this crowd is a sure fire way to be left holding little to no users. *stares at the 222 page lost shores thread*

*cringes as someone quotes and straw mans me into ignoring them*

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@Tobias Trueflight.8350
I was trying to make light of the whole ’job’ ’profession’ ’definition’ thing. Even though I was well a part of it, I acknowledge it was down right silly so I try to laugh about it.

Klawlyt.6507:

I… wha?

andthensomemorecharacters

You’re applying the topic to yourself and your own play/life style. You’re making assumptions about players that seem obvious to yourself but aren’t necessarily relevant to others.

What I’m getting at is, if I was a PvE only RPer, I wouldn’t a hardcore PvP only player rationalizing things for me.

I’m not implying a label on you. I’m using that as an example to what I’m saying which is your post doesn’t seem to identify with it’s target audience.

Sorry for being unclear.

Tobias Trueflight.8350:

Toggles.1783:

I’m sorry but no. Throw all the fallacies and rhetoric at it you want, you’re still arguing with the dictionary and are wrong.

You’re taking the connotative meaning and wrongfully thinking it’s the only acceptable usage.

If using a definition other than it’s most common one is ‘twisting’, then what of homonyms?

Let’s just stop right now with the word-mincing? I hope the semantics and wordplay here are agreeable to people.

- You’re not forced to play daily, you are encouraged. For some this encouragement holds a stronger pull than others, so that it might feel they as though they are being forced.

- It’s not a job, using colloquial english, it’s a hobby which someone sinks a lot of time into. Guild Wars 2 is not the only example of this, nor is it limited to MMOs and video games.

- It can be construed and made out to be a job, by definition. It can also be construed to be made out as a hobby within the same vein, and fit a little better.

- There really needs to be better reasons to log in daily than “chasing the Daily”. Aside from fun, since that’s not a real reason at all.

Hehe

@Klawlyt.6507
You’re ignoring other people’s point of view and focusing on your own.

Sylv.5324:

He tried to use that stuff on me, too, when my post didn’t talk about jobs or work or whatever. Bro’s got issues.

Don’t worry about it. It’s pretty clear what’s going on here. Fail trolling.

But an amusing thing about the http://forum-en.guildwars2.com/forum/game/gw2/How-GW2-is-NOT-casual/2017023 link…

He quotes merriam-webster and bolds the second and third definitions. oops.

JustTrogdor.7892:

I think you are stretching those definitions just a little bit to say the least. What do you normally say if someone asks you what your occupation is? If someone asked me that and I said GW2 they would probably ask me how it pays. Then I would have to say mystic coins, laurels, and karma. At that point they would think I was nuts.

If my girlfriend called me and asked me what I was doing and I said I was busy with this job she would ask me what I was working on. If I said, “I’m just working on my dailies in GW2 so I can get this ring I want,” she would quickly respond, “The only thing you should be working on is getting the ring you are going to put on my finger.” Or she would just break up with me.

You are taking those definitions, snipping parts from them and twisting them from the most common usage of those words to try and supplement your argument.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/occupation
You specifically did not include the primary definition of occupation, the first one, to try and strengthen your argument.

1. a person’s usual or principal work or business, especially as a means of earning a living; vocation:

The definition of job you posted in context is most applicable to the definition I posted above.

But for job you did not include the secondary definition to also try to strengthen your argument:
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/job

2. a post of employment; full-time or part-time position: She was seeking a job as an editor.

Since you like to copy and paste from Internet sources don’t forget about wikipedia:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occupation

Job (role), a regular activity performed for payment, that occupies one’s time
Employment, a person under service of another by hire
Career, a course through life
Profession, a vocation founded upon specialized training
Vocation, an occupation to which a person is specially drawn
A category in the Standard Occupational Classification System

I’m sorry but no. Throw all the fallacies and rhetoric at it you want, you’re still arguing with the dictionary and are wrong.

You’re taking the connotative meaning and wrongfully thinking it’s the only acceptable usage.

If using a definition other than it’s most common one is ‘twisting’, then what of homonyms?

But you know what, let’s ignore the dictionary… it’s obviously wrong as you’ve shown with you’re irrelevant wiki link. Let’s look at something more popcorn worthy.

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/gw2/The-New-Guy-What-I-Like-About-GW2-So-Far/2017582

Thanks for the info on fps improvements. I’m a mac user (insert macs are kitten comments) here. I’m running a 2009 base iMac (9NVIDIA GTX 675MX so it as wonder I can even play in crowded areas). I mostly use it for work and it does a very good job with that. I never purchased it for gaming. I got it because it handles a lot of work related functions very well and has been insanely stable, even when maxing out my RAM and a lot of page outs.

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/gw2/How-GW2-is-NOT-casual/2017023

That doesn’t mean I don’t take the limited time I do play seriously. I do have concern for my personal goals at this time, which will change as I accomplish more things, and when I play I pursue them. I do have one aspect of the game I have a high level of concern for an that is enjoying the game when I play. So far I feel I’m doing a very good job with that.

Simply put, enjoy the game the way you like to and don’t worry how others like to enjoy the game. Just like when we were kids on the playground, you don’t have to play with me and I don’t have to play with you.

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/gw2/Casual-is-not-1-2-hours-a-day/2002011

I will probably never make 80. I played WoW for years and never came close to the cap.
However my goal is to enjoy the game the way I see fit and GW2 does a great job of accommodating that. So in my opinion the game is for casuals and people should not determine what my goals should be.

Thank you, past JustTrogdor.7892 for proving my point that words don’t have to be used in their connotative way.

Meglobob.8620:

I like dailies personally, you can complete them often by just playing the game without even trying to get them…

I don’t think there is anything wrong with them at all…

I have often missed some and it doesn’t bother me at all…

Its only a ‘job’ if you get into that mindset and think that way…

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/job

1. a piece of work, especially a specific task done as part of the routine of one’s occupation or for an agreed price: She gave him the job of mowing the lawn.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/occupation

2. any activity in which a person is engaged.

• a piece of work, especially a specific task :
  Kill this, do that, go here so many times (specific tasks) Check!

• done as part of the routine of one’s occupation :
  Once a day(routine) playing GW2/activity I’m engaged in (occupation) Check!

• for an agreed price :
  Laurel, exp and some silver (price) Check!

You’re right, not even close to the definition of a job. /sarcasm

It’s a job, you just happen to love your job. I’m happy for you. Some days I love doing dailies too! Those days it doesn’t feel like a job. Too bad it’s not that way for everyone, everyday.

Kain Francois.4328:

More and more in modern video games, I see time-gated content and dailies.

In my opinion, this makes a game worse than grinding. The explanation of quite simple: It turns a game into a job, at which point it stops becoming fun.

Normal people work during the week, then go home on the weekends to binge on their favorite video games. In an entire week’s worth of work, they are able to make up for it in one day by working extra hard.

However, dailies prevent you from doing that. Instead, you are forced to log on every day, even when you’re not in the mood. (While some argue against being “forced”, the fact is it will take a very, very long time if you do not log in every day.)

This creates a false addiction, where players feel like their game is more of a hassle or job than a game.

This i a plague to modern gaming in general, and I’m especially concerned with the direction of Guild Wars 2.

Dailies are not a good thing!

I mostly agree. My wife and I are constantly ‘complaining’ to each other when time gets away from us and we realize ‘if don’t do our dailies RIGHT NOW, we won’t have time before the reset". It’s quite imposing.

People argue that you ’don’t have to do dailies’. I agree with that as much as saying you “don’t have to pay for internet”. After all there’s always free dial up and internet cafes.

Let’s be real. If you have any intention of playing GW2 outside of ‘blissful ignorance’ you need to do your dailies and monthlies. It does become a job. If you don’t make it a job and make sure you do them, you will regret it in the future when you need those ever so gated laurels for your new alt.

My suggestion is keeping the dailies but allowing seven of them to be done in a week. Obviously Anet has the tech to track that as we’ve seen ‘complete X amount of dailies’ time and again. This solution offers up flexibility for it’s users.

After all, how devastating would it be if people could finish two week’s worth of dailies on their weekend, allowing the hard working folk the option to log in to play as they see fit and not be forced to appease the daily gods if they want laurels.

TL;DR: Turn dailies into a pseudo weekly.

Farewell thread, it’s sure been a week and you reminded me of this every step of the way.

Xirin.8593:

I don’t know what to say.

You are my sunshine baby!

saiyr.3071:

Toggles.1783:

4. not surprised by behavior, considering the source

CD taught us everything we know about emoting corpses way back when

That’s believable.

You guys can’t admit to anything without blaming others.

Xirin.8593:

I think he’s saying:

1) got killed in a PvP zone

2) got jimmies rustled due to his murderer taunting him postmortem

3) contacted the person who murdered him in PvP zone and informed the murderer that he is having some tough IRL issues (my sincere condolences, but it has no bearing on PvP in a PvP zone)

4) has forgiven his murderer for killing him in a PvP zone

not quite

what really happened is:

1. killed while afk getting a krispy treat

2. came back and watched camper taunt different dead bodies (may or may not have jumped on mine, idk was afk)

3. camper messaged me to taunt me about killing me while afk

4. not surprised by behavior, considering the source

What’s funny is if you apply that video to the frizz encounter…

:D

This current system is just horrible.

Tier 1 servers facerolling t2 servers. Tier 2 servers obliterating t4 servers.

In spite of it all, we have ‘perfectionists’ bagging on a 1 up 1 down suggestion in fear of people ‘throwing’ matches, offering no alternative because they’re too busy chasing after something that doesn’t exist.

Let’s be honest here, so what if servers magically organize to throw matches. We’ve already seen T1 servers fighting T2 and below servers…. but omg no!!! for the love of kittens man think of the what if…. WHAT. IF. !
>_>;;;;

Let’s get our priorities in order here.

Just like when free transfers broke WvW, something needs to be done about the current system. Even if it’s a simple hard lock of 2 ranks. (as in, the winning tier 1 server can never leave the tier 1 match up until they lose t1 enough to not be #1)

But honestly, let’s just move to something that is actually better already so we can deal with the new problems that manifest from that system.

Vashti.8179:

kRAVen.4195:

Zaul day two. Worse than day one cause it shows he cant learn or let it go. There is a place for your post. Its called the Crystal Desert website forum. Anyway thanks for the positive rhetoric about your own server. We are all waiting for you to lead us to the promised land.

He’s a peach isn’t he? I don’t buy gems often but if I knew he would accept them in turn for transferring off CD, I would probably make an exception. Never seen one guy so completely against his whole server.

Edit: Hmm. Looks like he edited his last post to remove some name-calling and general CD-bashing. That’s good I guess?

I’d contribute to that fund, cause I’m just that charitable and such an upstanding kind of guy.
;D

Welp, I just finished getting caught up on the thread, pretty sure I have cancer now.

I didn’t realize servers started idolizing Mag and FA (and old IoJ) so much that they’re posting like them now. I guess that’s what happens when all the fair-weathered players flood onto your server.

Stay class thread.

Chris.3290:

CD has bled more WvW guilds than probably anyone other than SBI. There is a reason for this.
NAGA, AWE, EDMW (or whatever they were called, I forget), the entire Synergy Alliance, and so on.

I promise I’m not stalking you… but you may want to get a restraining order just in case.

Seriously though, some servers have gone from T1 down to T8 and you’re going to label CD as “bled more WvW guilds than probably anyone other than SBI”? Pretty flimsy.

We’re not playing the ‘technically’ game where 5 guilds 10 people big > 1 guild 300 strong, are we? Oh wait, it doesn’t matter cause you’d still be wrong.

I doubt HoD and ET would be where they currently are right now if they still had half their original WvW guilds. Heck, your own server SoS has most likely lost far more guilds than CD has… having been T1 dropped down to T4 and all.

Chris.3290:

Jakob’s group are one of the best hitman teams in all of WvW. No straggler is safe from them. I will put their 4-7 people against any other team of similar size in the game and bet on them.

I also think their collective contribution to PPT can be measured in single digits and they haven’t done a single thing for their server and should be the last people anyone on CD should listen to when it comes to bettering their situation.

If your goal is to flip camps and kill stragglers, you play like Jakob. If you want to capture keeps and hold them against waves of attackers, you’ll start finding like-minded folks and start training.

I know I’m late to the party here and this post is a day old… tbh I’ve lost interest in this thread as it’s gone drastically down hill.

However you might want to fact check your PPT comment. Flipping camps, killing yaks and taking over sentries has quite a contribution to WvW PPT. as can be seen @ http://gw2tracker.net/wvw/stats/live

Furthermore, it’s possible to contribute to PPT without directly gaining points. When a group kills off a couple stranglers, that’s a few less people in the zerg, a few less people to attack/defend, a few less people carrying ~10 supply, etc. Just because you can’t see their impact directly in score or icon colors doesn’t mean they haven’t done anything for their server.

Quells.2498:

The problem remains that some are still considering the actions of one person or a group of people as a holistic depiction of whatever server said people are on. Until we can abolish this generalization I think we will keep running into these “discussions” on the forums.

I know I’ve been guilty of it on both sides.

Even when actively trying to clean up my posts I notice I’ll still make the occasional slip.

Brom Malochson.9306:

If you guys would stop bickering about who’s more loyal to their server and just move to wherever would benefit you most, instead of putting up with frustration, then you’d have a lot more fun. (Whether that advice is good or bad is all opinion)

Eh, that advice shows a significant lack of understand for its target audience.

Some people enjoy the community aspect of MMOs. However, if you’re feeling anxiety or dread from logging onto a server, by all means, transfer away.

For me, my ‘frustration’ was rooted in the ‘willy-nilly’ free transfers. Transfers fubar’d too many months of WvW.

Either way, right now there is no amount of transferring that can save us frustration from Anet’s current match making algorithms.

urak.4863:

In the end we’ll all be traitors because we’ll leave GW2 for other MMOs or other non-gaming aspects of life.

Rightfully so.

The difference is (hopefully) we won’t stick around the GW2 forums being disruptive like some people. I always hated when people stay just to post veiled “this game sucks” messages or keep boasting how they quit a long time ago. It’s like ‘move on already and let the fans enjoy it’.

Can you imagine Gordon Ramsay picketing McDonalds all day yelling “this food is bad!”. xD Maybe new reality show coming this fall?

Altie.4571:

Usagi.4835:

Nobody cares about your drama so don’t try and bring that kind of character/guild assassination here.

You seem to care a lot, you keep quoting me.

lol

I thought the same thing when I was reading it. But hot dog did this thread turn sour fast!

Last time I checked we were (decently) getting along. Let’s all dial it back some, mmk? Love and peace on the forums, murder and carnage in the mists.

About these server transfer, I’m over it. What’s done is done and I don’t personally hold a grudge against people for transferring away in a game… more important matters in life to have a beef about.

However don’t act like leaving a server isn’t a ‘traitorous’ act in respect to WvW. Look the words up, betray and treason are used to describe traitor. Betray’s definition uses the word disloyal(check). Treason has a definition of “a violation of allegiance…”(check).

Cut it however you want but leaving a server is exactly that. (because it sure as heck isn’t exercising loyalty and allegiance) Deal with the truth and get over it like we got over you leaving. Just because it has a harsh and negative connotation doesn’t mean it isn’t appropriate.

Respect to RoninDB. Well said, telling people to ‘learn’ from them is going to be taken in a condescending way even if it’s coming from good intentions.

@Lothar, I don’t remember specifically if it was your guild or not, this is more of a ‘by the by’. What I do remember is just as SoS came down to tier four with us, a handful of CD’s night crew decided to leave.

If any of those guilds tried saying they left because of PvDoor then bollocks on that. Especially because that wave of leavers were guilds who previously said they would be staying with CD during the previous exodus. (which was extra burn at the time)

@DeadlySynz, Aye that’s one of the problems of the higher servers. No matter how a server gains it’s ‘claim to fame’ there will always be fairweather bandwagoners that come along for the ride. It’s unfortunate because in the full servers, it keeps the regulars from their main reason for playing GW2. CD had a big problem with that back during it’s T2 days. It was quite frustrating so I sympathize.

@Le Rooster, Yup, one of the nice things about enduring these guild exodus’ is that the server community comes out for the better despite the hit to the WvW population.

It’s also a great help to a server’s image and dynamics when match up threads are respectful, everyone ends up winning. Useless game drama may be entertaining to read at work or when you’re bored but at the end of the day, few people truly want it. (so I think :x)

None of this post was meant to troll or prod anyone so if you’re feeling provoked and just need to respond and ‘set me straight’, you’re doing it(reading) wrong.

Kreaven.3172:

Mattimeo.2146:

Looking like SoS should be shedding some rating this week. Probably a good thing, to be honest.

In the meantime, how does SoS + CD vs TC sound to people? Might make the matchup as a whole mildly more interesting for everyone.

Well to be honest I was hoping for DB/TC/JQ. This match is unbalanced. And please don’t take that poorly. We will dominate basically because of Coverage. I know for a fact SoS has some skilled players so there will be fights, just not at all times of the day. And as for CD… I have not fought you guys since October??? I think. Anyway been a while so I do not really know your strong points or times.

No, you’re completely correct in saying that. There’s a noticeable gap in sheer man power between CD and TC. But that’s not to say we’ve given up.

On top of the fact that CD just spent two weeks of pushing tail to secure challenging victories (respect to YB and KN)… I really should only speak for myself but I think CD kind of needs a break and facing a very strong full coverage server like TC, well that’s as good of a time as any to play more relaxed. Two weeks ago CD was T4, that’s a big jump in competition for a server that didn’t just get a bunch of large guild transfers.

Battles are fun until it feels like you’re being farmed. No one likes to be farmed and if it’s unavoidable, people start to PvE, it’s the hard truth.

Here’s to hoping that SoS and CD can figure out a way to get an alliance going so that we can make this match interesting instead of another victim of the RNG. Judging from posts I’ve been seeing from SoS over the last two weeks, it seems like they could use to catch a ‘break’ from it.

How does it feel to be back in T2, CD?

GL&HF everyone!

Chris.3290:

Congratulations CD! We on SoS kept telling everyone that you are a lot tougher than everyone thought and I’m so glad you keep showing everyone that.

Keep it up!

Thanks Chris!

@ Waffler
Yeah, Chris has really changed for the better. In fact, a few days ago I called him out in a thread (without knowing he changed) and he responded so maturely I just had to go back and edit my post. I’m very happy for him and hope more people around these forums can do the same.

Cheers to you Chris! Hopefully SoS will find a similarly even match up through the RNG soon.

Aaruhn.7049:

fix it. No reason that a class should have so much mitigation (i.e. stealth) in it and damage burst. No way a class should be able to go into a 20 man zerg without fear of dying. Get in trouble? Go into stealth and run.

mitigation

1. the act of mitigating, or lessening the force or intensity of something unpleasant, as wrath, pain, grief, or extreme circumstances
2. the act of making a condition or consequence less severe
3. the process of becoming milder, gentler, or less severe.

Thief does not have any mitigation through stealth. Thief takes just as much damage from attacks whether stealthed or not. You just don’t see the numbers because it’d give away the player’s location.

What Thief does have from stealth is deception/trickery/confusion, and I don’t mean the in game terms.

As for the 20 man zerg comment… yeah I’m sure that happens all the time. A 20 man zerg that lets a Thief get away is a 20 man zerg that doesn’t know what they’re doing or is dreadfully all spec’d and gear’d in the same unfortunate way.

I do agree that the d/p stealth build is very cheese though.

A little off topic but I’d like to see how KN and SoS fair in a match up together.

Grieve.1432:

I say our goal in this match up should be to make it end with all 3 servers within 1k points of each other. Now, that would be impressive no matter who won.

I think it’d be pretty funny if somehow, in some way, the stars aligned and all three servers mathed it out so it ended with a three way tie… for the lulz.

You just know some random person would end up killing a yak at the last minute or something.

Bright.9160:

If you do the same Dungeon path twice in a row without a certain time in between (don’t know how long it is) on 2 different characters, you’ll get DR.

For example, if I do CoF p1 on my Warrior, switch to my Guardian and do CoF p1, I’ll get 30 tokens.

If I do CoF p1 and p2 on my Warrior, switch to my Guardian and do CoF p1 and p2 again, I’ll get 60 tokens every time.

Why did your wife get 60 tokens and you only got 30? The DR system is still bugged all over the place. She was lucky, you weren’t.

I see, that is helpful to my future endeavors, thank you.

I find it strange that 45mins in between(finish to finish) isn’t enough time. :x

Recently I’ve been trying to get 2-3 CoF path 1 runs done in a day to help gear out my increasing amount of alts. I’ll typically do two runs a day. Sometimes I’ll do a third run. Sometimes I won’t do CoF for a day or maybe two.

Lately, I’ve been noticing I’ll (seemingly randomly) get 30 tokens on my second run instead of the daily 60.

I looked up DR on the wiki. At first I thought I was completing them too quickly.

Well what happened to me today had my head spinning. Here’s my story:

• Two days ago I did not do any CoF.
• Yesterday I did two runs of CoF with my wife, no DR for either of us.
• Today I log in, do dailies on my low level with my wife.
• Switch to an 80 and do a CoF run with her.
• Wait almost 1 hour while taking care of the kids
• We both switch characters and do another CoF run. I get 30 tokens while she gets 60.

Now first and foremost I don’t understand why I’m getting DR at all. Secondly I don’t understand why I’ve been getting DR and she hasn’t been. She never does CoF without me. I play a lot more doing other stuff like WvW/leveling/map completion etc.

Personally, I don’t feel like DR should be hitting me. From all my understanding on the topic, I’m playing within the acceptable scope of play and I am not farming CoF in a way that should be penalized.

What’s going on? Am I overlooking a caveat to the DR system? Any help on the topic would be appreciated. Seeing 30 instead of 60 has been aggravating.

ajay.6314:

Frosch.7809:

Some guys from Kaineng are seriously lacking in manners – today i died during camp defense in our borderlands and someone vomitted repeatedly onto the corpse of my character. Didn’t even know one could do that. It was a Charr, so it didn’t surprise me that much. And you remove your corpses afap because you seem to be afraid to be treated in a similar disrespectful manner. I would post the guild tag here, but instead i will just treat every Kaineng the same way. You got no honor.

Thats bad, I am from Kaineng. Which guild was it ? I have also been made fun on few occasions. So we shouldnt really take it personally.. cant help it you see.. Some people are like that.

Yeah, I’ve seen quite a bit of this from Kaineng too. So much that I’ve started taking SSs.(although I don’t know why) Obviously it doesn’t represent the server as a whole. I’m just chiming in for awareness.

I don’t really see it from YB so much other than the odd ball troll that every server has.

FWIW, I know CDers do it too. If it makes anyone feel better, I (and others) have told teammates to stop when they do stuff like that. Often times it just takes one person to say ‘dont do that’ and then others will speak up too with “yeah that’s not cool” or “real soldiers don’t need to gloat”(my personal favorite). So they do (sometimes) get chastised by teammates behind the scenes.

Great match up though. Keep at it everyone, this is the fun that WvW is all about.

Mammoth.1975:

Also, I understand that after coming off such a long stretch of easy games, getting a bad matchup followed by an extremely bad matchup would be a pretty big shock to the system for SoS. Quite a lot of them were probably hoping for something a bit easier after last week, instead they got worse. Nonetheless, the complaining really is over the top, especially with it bleeding into other discussions, like this one.

I have to mostly agree with what Mammoth has been saying. CD and SBI had no chance of taking over SoS’s rating yet they came out every week and put up a fight with only the odd ball trolls here or there… there was no real QQ on our parts.

Edit: Cheers Chris, glad to see people improve!

I can’t believe people think this is a ‘fix’ when it’s a poor band aid. There are many indirect nerfs in this ‘fix’.

Altie.4571:

.... when’s the last time we won a match-up 2 weeks in a row?

Oh I remember ... Fort Janthir match-up XD

*blink* *blink*

That feels like forever ago.

SynfulChaot.3169:

It’s bugged, Toggles.

=/

Glad I wasted my time working for it.

I just won crab toss and didn’t get the achievement nor do I have any “grabs” or “carried” counts in my other ones. Am I misunderstanding how this game and the achievements work or is it more bugged content?

I agree, it’s not classy to give veiled insults to a server(s) in the midst of saying how great the fight’s been. Especially since these two weeks have been great.

FWIW, mclovin wasn’t the first person who brought up wiping a server. Personally you should be on Ok I Did It.2854 (if anyone) for bragging against both servers…

Ok I Did It.2854:

I was part of that fight, there have been some great ZvZ battles last week, with no server retreating, ( well in the battles I was in ) and it actually made WvW a lot more fun.

Best one was on EBG last night at Orges, that narrow gate is lethal for AoE, and the Kain Zerg ( well 1st one ) got slaughtered coming threw it, never seen so many loot bags,

Good Battles..

Ok I Did It.2854:

AWESOME battles in SM earlier, was in the lord room trying to defend, and we had CD zerg to the north and the Kain zerg to the south, CD did push 3 or 4 times, and wiped, so many kills, was great battles, hopefully this continues all week.

Good Job to everyone who took part in the SM battles.

I think it’d be nice if training bounties were somehow made a little easier for small guilds. The timer not starting until the fighting starts seems like a step in the right direction.

Necro.6432:

Le Rooster.8715:

Toggles.1783:

Le Rooster.8715:

Tyrlis.8072:

Oh my. A collective groan went up from a lot of CD’ers when we saw the new matchup. Last week was great, but we all put a lot of heart (and extra time) into pulling out that win. Most of us were hoping for something a bit easier.

That said, fun times on KNBL tonight. I’ll keep learning and fighting… and dying, sometimes.

Please don’t complain, look at our past two match ups, SBI’s last matchup and consider yourself lucky.

Got too used to being green from the last two months?
;p

Yeah lol, regardless i see it is as healthy losses. Makes us more battle hardened

lol , trust me it’s the same in here but instead of working hard and losing because numbers game , we worked our kitten off like no body and won because it wasnt as much numbers game.

WvW is a team effort and no one man or woman makes or breaks it.

That being said, I saw Daeronz do an awesome job rallying players and putting up a non-stop fight last week. I feel he deserves some praise (as does the whole CD WvW server) and I’m proud to be a part of TDS.

Le Rooster.8715:

Tyrlis.8072:

Oh my. A collective groan went up from a lot of CD’ers when we saw the new matchup. Last week was great, but we all put a lot of heart (and extra time) into pulling out that win. Most of us were hoping for something a bit easier.

That said, fun times on KNBL tonight. I’ll keep learning and fighting… and dying, sometimes.

Please don’t complain, look at our past two match ups, SBI’s last matchup and consider yourself lucky.

Got too used to being green from the last two months?
;p

Kaineng has a strong night presence like SoS? In the time it took me to sleep they went from #3 to #1.

Furix.5719:

Do we miss Maguuma?

No?

Greetings and welcome to CD! We have a lot of people with a lot of heart.

I look forward to fighting and dieing along side you guys in WvW and the balance that your numbers should bring to this already fine tier.

These ‘I don’t have anything better to do than play a game so no one else should either’ over simplifications are starting to sound like ‘you had all weekend to do your surprise 20 page report with 2 page citations’ ….

I’m not complaining, I finished everything. Just because there was enough time for say you or I doesn’t mean other people were as fortunate or were lazy/procrastinated. Employ a little understanding lest you be met with none when you’re in need of it.

ColinJohanson.2394:

Our goal is to get to a point where on a regular basis, the world around you is not only changing in the short term through our normal event system, it’s changing and evolving permanently through our living world releases as well. What you’ve seen so far is primarily some tests and warmup stuff while we in the background organize the company to support this exciting future for our game, the future for living world is filled with endless possibilities.

Enjoy the ride!

Could we get events in the living world that are long term fail-able please?

Such as maybe server A B and C were able to complete such Living World event, thus saving zone 1 but servers X Y and Z were unable to complete said event in time and now zone 1 has a lasting ‘stain’.

I think this idea would be extremely cool. It takes what you said and runs with it a little. I know that this would bring a lot of depth to guesting.

It would be cool to guest to another server and (kessex bridge for example) instead of defending the bridge against centaurs, we’re fighting off (for lack of a better idea) branded who are trying to take it over.

It wouldn’t have to be too extreme, the same events, the same landscape(ish) but with some destruction, scorched earth/branded crystals. All the events could even run exactly the same except have the mobs interchanged.

Any chance for something like this to happen? It’d be so cool if in ~1 years time some servers could be visually different from each other because of it.

Chris.3290:

Toggles.1783
Chris.3290 snipped for forum warrioring instead of WvWing
Wednesday night, epitome of mid week… this is what it looks like when “CD takes their ball and goes home mid-week” … either that or trolls gone hurdur.

LOL, I guess I worked too late last night for that. Things were already going South for you guys before I got on later.

I’m glad to see you guys came out last night though and I’m sorry I missed it.

Stay strong CD, I don’t want my blades getting soft.

Interesting… I think I might understand your point of view a little better. It seems to me like you play more around CD’s dead time.

Sorry but CD just simply doesn’t have the night time coverage like it used to, which adds extra disparity against a server like SoS who has a large night crew.

Chris.3290 snipped for forum warrioring instead of WvWing

Wednesday night, epitome of mid week… this is what it looks like when “CD takes their ball and goes home mid-week” … either that or trolls gone hurdur.

cazza.6078:

• shows the point gain dependent from how many players are online
  400/1000 players online (on all servers) -> servers get 40% of their potential points

It’s all pretty sweet but that part I quoted would be absolutely awesome!

Curo.2483:

Seldorin, it’s nice that you think you are entitled to everything just because it’s a “game” and created for entertainment. However games of all types have always had exclusive content. Holiday events, limited time purchases, one-time releases of content, and retired content are parts of most games. It adds an extra dimension to the game that incentivises people to play more. It makes people feel a extra sense of achievement for having those things. Half of your entertainment comes from not the content itself, but the way in which is it delivered. I’ve played with people who use guides for everything, and they completely miss the discovery aspect of the game, and enjoy it less because of that. It’s like receiving a present. Which do you enjoy more: getting a special gift and unwrapping it, or being able to command any gift at thought? I’m not talking about the actual physical gain, but the emotional gain here. And even if you consider the physical gain, nothing in the game is actually real, so the emotional enjoyment is all you have to go on.

Hope that clarifies some things.

Also this is a role-playing game, which by definition is meant to imitate a life.

I didn’t get the majority of your post so I’m going to skip commenting with the exception of one thing.

I wouldn’t use the buzzword “entitled”. It’s a cheap way to insult and diminish an opposing opinion without actually addressing the situation. Aka, it’s argumentum ad hominem. It’d be the same as if I called you ‘toxic’ for calling him ‘entitled’.

Let’s not be ‘that’ kind of community. ^_^b