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GS mobility issues

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It really feels like that for a weapon that relies on the opponent being further away, the GS is built to make it hard to get away from enemies. 3 can’t be used without ceasing movement, and if you accidentally cancel the ability you lose the ability use and some movement time. 2 has cancelled itself multiple times through just turning my character but it doesn’t seem to do it every time so I’m not entirely sure what’s up with it, but it doesn’t always activate properly when trying to move. 5 is pretty nice but considering it hits things away in a fan shape, this hindering AOE prospects which are always circle shaped, it’s not always going to be the most dps-efficient ability.

Why No Mantra Builds?

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I think I would enjoy mantras more if there was a way to charge them faster. The amount of time not spent being able to do anything just doesn’t seem to justify the effect they have.

It is no surprise that people to continue to exploit through dungeons.

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When the player is met with fake difficulty, they will find fake ways to win. Playing the metagame is more rational, and more fun, than playing the game itself.

This class must be pretty bugged.

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I don’t know how you guys can stand to play the Moa Bird. Their class and their race are the same thing, they get no good skills, and let’s be honest; Any class that just randomly changes race and then drops a bunch of weird minions everywhere until some mesmer on the other team comes around to change you back has got some serious problems.

Pay to win

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@ Turtle
The game is played whatever why you like it.
If people want to spend $$ on this and that. So what.
I kill as many people and they kill me.
The only time I see a player killing people left and right is because they are a real lvl 80 in high end gear.

You can not buy XP, you earn it.
If you could buy XP then YES I’d say pay to level.

Relax dude. There is no monthly fee’s and its only a game. Nothing more.

And it should be a fair game. In response to your earlier post, the only point of the game is not to make a profit. Money for money’s sake is self destructive in any industry. The point is to provide a fair and enjoyable experience, to develop something they can be proud of making. They should want people to play their game and have fun without compromising the integrity of their original design philosophy in order to make a quick buck.

Pay to win

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I have about 5-10 of each booster, and I have yet to purchase a single gem with real life money. I have about 40 of the Glory boosters even.

Sorry, but this is a ridiculous complaint. Boosts are so irrelevant and so plentiful that it’s a non-issue.

Debating unsubstantiated claims as to the proliferation of these boosts is a waste of time, so what I’m going to need you to do is first screenshot your inventory with all of these boosts in them (specifically the ones that boost stats – I don’t care about karma, exp, glory, whatever. I’m talking benefits to combat/movement), then show me the statistics that indicate that people, in general, will receive enough black lion keys without having to purchase them to get that many boosts. In my personal experience across a couple characters now, I did not obtain enough keys to unlock that many chests so as to have up to 10 of each kind of boost during the levelling process and I see no reason to believe what you say.

Pay to win

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Jestersmiles.4365

man how stupid can you be……. do everyone here a favor and go back to wow

If people have to tell you that Spvp is the serious pvp and WvW is the casual one well w/e.

Hey I got like 10 of those buff from just playing so no it not pay to win …..go back to wow

Alright let’s see if we can pull a comprehensible statement out of all the ad hominem and the attempts to sabotage the playerbase of a company you’re supposedly in support of.

1. sPvP is serious pvp and WvW is casual
2. You have personally collected ten from playing.

In response to the first, WvW is still a valid form of PvP and it is supposed to have a degree of fairness. Hence why players get scaled to level 80 even if they don’t get the skills unlocked. This is also borderline sliding goalposts since I can imagine the next thing you’ll be telling me is that it doesn’t matter if they get used in sPvP as long as they don’t get used in ranked matches, because only the ranked matches are hardcore pvp.

You also need to show me why even if WvW is more casual it should be less fair. Maybe a statement from A-net substantiating a single thing you’ve said would help, but I’m sure you’ve got your head so far up theirkitten trying to kiss it that you can’t even hear what they say anymore.

Regarding the second one, this claim is completely unsubstantiated so I kind of doubt what you’re telling me, but even if you have gotten that many of the pay to win boosts, you’ll still get more by paying real money, providing you with a tangible unfair advantage.

Pay to win

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The WHOLE point of GW2 is so the company makes a profit.
The $$ from sales of the game helps and users paying $$ for in game items keeps the game going.

So, what the issue again?
If someone wants to dump $100 into the game let them.
If this makes you mad (your not MAD are u bro?) then show them and spend $$ on items as well to even it up.
If you can not afford to buy items in the game get a job or a 2nd job.

So you agree the game is pay to win?

Pay to win

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A level 80 in full exotics also has a huge advantage against a level 2 scaled to 80.

If you’re looking for balance, WvW isn’t. Try sPvP.

And when two 80s in the same gear fight, the one with more disposable income should not have higher stats as a function of his money.

It’s not like sPVP is balanced any better but this is just sad. Everyone who thought the game was going to be pay to win is right. These are not cosmetic, they don’t help save time for players without as much free time to farm/level up, they’re just there so people can pay money to get an unfair advantage.

So Im 6’ 200 lbs my opponent is 5’ 2" 135 LBS Im supposed to get on my knees to make it a fair fight?

Oh my god do you think this is a legitimate counter example? That’s so adorable. I’ll tell you what champ, if you can find me even ONE fair and competitive fighting organization that would pair two fighters of that size against each other, I will validate your argument with a response.

Pay to win

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Vexus.5423

If 40 people got the buff, and steamrolled another 40 man group, and then the losers all bought the buff, and then engaged the enemy again and lost again, does that mean it’s pay 2 win, or learn 2 play?

This means it’s pay to win, because the losing group had to buy the buffs to stand a chance. Whether or not they won after leveling the playing field has nothing to do with it, the playing field had to be leveled in the first place.

Regarding the question of exotics, does said potential exotic have the best stats in the game? If so that’s yet another item that’s going against A-net’s original design philosophy.

“it’s just 10 percent” is also meaningless considering if you get all of the buffs you hit 10% harder, take 10% less damage and regenerate 100 health per second. Plus I think there’s a speed boost and if that stacks with swiftness we might as well just add epic mounts and get it over with.

Pay to win

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sliding goalposts fallacy. These confer an unfair advantage in pvp, period.

Not a sliding goalposts fallacy in the least. These buffs can’t be used in PvP. In order for it to be a sliding goalposts fallacy, you have to hit the goal to begin with. You kicked it clear the other way.

And in WvW, you can buy this buff all you want, it won’t make you win at all.

Original goal post: “The game isn’t pay to win as long as consumable buffs can’t be used in pvp”

New goal post: “The game isn’t pay to win as long as consumable buffs aren’t allowed in sPVP, other forms of pvp are ok.”

Projected future goal post: “The game isn’t pay to win as long as consumable buffs aren’t allowed in ranked matches, WvW and sPVP don’t need to be balanced anyway.”

Sounds like sliding goalposts to me, unless you’re trying to tell me that WvW isn’t pvp in which case I’m going to laugh at you and disregard your post.

Pay to win

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I haven’t paid a dime yet, and somehow, I have a couple of these items. Seems to me like it’s play to win, not pay to win.

You’ll get more if you pay money. Tribes: Ascend is pay to win for the same reasons. I can play for hours to unlock a new (better) class or a new (better) weapon, or I can pay money to get it right away, and make the game less fun for everyone trying to get it through time spent. I could slog away all day in an uphill battle or play something where people start on equal footing.

Nisshoku.3479

Really now, why are you whining about this? WvW was never actually meant to be balanced. The most important factor in nearly any WvW encounter are numbers. Secondary is investment in siege equipment.

It’s a rare situation where this will be of any significance and even then you can just pay in game currency to get the same exact buffs just like you would to buy food buffs or siege equipment.

So what I’m reading here first is “it doesn’t matter if the game is pay to win because it wasn’t meant to be balanced” which right off the bat is an absolute laugh. There is no part of this game that is supposed to be designed to be imbalanced.

Furthermore I don’t think you’re contemplating the total effect this can have on a group of players all buffing up with the consumables. A large group that has these will beat a large group that doesn’t. At that rate it might as well be mandatory to do well, which is… you guessed it, pay to win.

Instead of convincing me the game isn’t pay to win, it seems everyone is defending these boosts by saying it doesn’t matter if the game is pay to win. So are we all in agreement, then, that the game is pay to win?

Pay to win

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Turn gold into gems

turn gems into boosters

stop whining?

Just because it’s in-game currency doesn’t mean you’re not paying to win.

This post is an admittance that you have to pay.

In order to win.

Pay to win

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A level 80 in full exotics also has a huge advantage against a level 2 scaled to 80.

If you’re looking for balance, WvW isn’t. Try sPvP.

And when two 80s in the same gear fight, the one with more disposable income should not have higher stats as a function of his money.

It’s not like sPVP is balanced any better but this is just sad. Everyone who thought the game was going to be pay to win is right. These are not cosmetic, they don’t help save time for players without as much free time to farm/level up, they’re just there so people can pay money to get an unfair advantage.

Pay to win

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So what’s your point OP? Guess what buying gems then buying gold is also pay to win. I am sure that extra 10% is gonna help you when you get torched in WvW.

Can you turn that gold into an unfair advantage for your side?

Possibly, considering siege weapons, but you would still need supply. Hey I know how about a boost that lets players carry more supply?

This game wasn’t supposed to be about paying real money to have better stats than other people. What the hell happened?

Pay to win

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The big deal is that exp and karma boosts don’t help someone win a fight they wouldn’t otherwise win.

Every boost that raises your damage, armor, speed, or health regen is a handicap bought with money. That’s the definition of unfair advantage. And don’t say other players can get them too, that’s how pay to win games work, so that’s obviously the case.

Pay to win

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sliding goalposts fallacy. These confer an unfair advantage in pvp, period.

Pay to win

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The CoF Buff: My opinions

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most of us agree with nerfing the speed running, what most people disagree with is the reward slicing.

No, from reading a fair amount of responses in this topic, most people do not agree with nerfing the speed running (at least not in the way that has been done).

The CoF Buff: My opinions

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it’s not fair to say that people are running CoF/Magg because it happens to be a “super easy, super fast money/token run.”

A lot of people probably run it because many dungeons have balance issues or are too buggy to reliably complete. I did Honor of the Waves explorable today and fell through the floor continuously at the last boss chamber, making the dungeon unwinnable.

If people are running this one because player damage and HP are so much lower than mob damage/HP, and in this one the same issues are present but at least possible to circumvent, maybe the problem is the thing that pushes us all into CoF in the first place.

And if we’re not supposed to grind tokens, why do all the gear require an amount of tokens that necessitates grinding? You could try things like giving the players enough tokens to buy a piece of gear for completing all the different routes of an explorable for the first time, for example. Something to take the edge off the intimidating token requirement and encourage people to pick different options every now and then. I think if there’s going to be a dungeon lockout timer based on a certain number of runs per day then the amount of tokens given needs to go up (or the price, down).

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Dungeons are fine, I support the buffs.

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I did a different dungeon today and I fell through the floor.

The CoF Buff: My opinions

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Not telling the players what’s going on is how Arenanet operates. If you get banned, they won’t tell you why. If you need customer support, they won’t tell you how long it is likely to take. If you want in game tooltips that have specific information on what abilities do, too bad. If you want more information on game mechanics and changes, go have fun somewhere else I guess.

The CoF Buff: My opinions

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Adding artificial difficulty to an event such as this which is already being completed in counter-intuitive ways only gives elitists a further chance to be elitist (under the guise of being on the side of A-net which will no doubt keep their comments from being moderated).

Everyone who farmed the hell out of it still has their armor, that’s not getting changed. Entry-level gear for max level players just got harder to get for everyone who doesn’t already have it and those who do get to call everyone whiny, childish, bad at video games, etc.

The fact is if I want fake difficulty I can go play Contra or Simon’s Quest or any other number of NES era games, and I won’t get harassed by this pig elitist scum playerbase for doing it.

The CoF Buff: My opinions

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Time to play the metagame by taking off all my armor and chain suiciding in until the event is complete, just like I did through every personal story quest!

No need for repair bills if you don’t wear anything to repair.

right click

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Why do so many players in this game have names that can’t be right clicked from chat?

right click

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Why do so many players in this game have names that can’t be right clicked from chat?

Issues with the guild system: please post here [MERGED]

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Whenever I try to join a guild I’m getting a network error with the code 3040:1002:3:1930:101.

Language bans

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The filter is another big reason a lot of people feel this policy is arbitrary. If you get banned for saying words that can be filtered, why is the point of the filter? If you get banned for saying things that are not filtered, why not filter them?

I’m going to do my best to keep this thread alive because I really think this is an important issue. If I’m wrong and this policy does improve the community someone should be able to prove this. If I’m right and it doesn’t, there should be a change.

Language bans

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Bumping is indeed not allowed but I think its more because people usually do it because it annoys others.

About your issues though, I agree with this. But as of this moment with all the trouble they are going through right now, its not strange that they don’t tell you exactly because it would take away from time used to fix the problems that they currently have

Further every case of someone screaming, or just plain saying they did nothing are asked for their character names and then Gaile himself would post what was said, this has been offered in several threads, but not once has someone actually said their character name (Correct me if I am wrong, I might have missed one saying it)

I do hope that in the future you recieve in an email explainging “hey you were just banned/suspended for doing THIS, at this time.” You know, so that people know what they did and the forums stay cleaner, but they have to start somewhere and the banned accounts have priority as they are security breaches

There was a thread on Reddit where they addressed some individual cases regarding the bans people had received, and while it was clear that some bans are going to those who need a suspension, this is not a policy that isolates these people or prevents abuse of the report system.

It’s true they probably have a lot on their plates right now with the account security problems many are having, but if they had a better language policy in the first place this would alleviate some of the tickets they get on the support site and many of the threads here. I never really supported their language policy but it wasn’t until I got banned that I suddenly had three days to complain about it and make their job harder.

anonymouse.9053

I’m pretty sure just about every single person who is suspended for inappropriate language knows exactly why. People just don’t WANT to be suspended. They claim they didn’t say anything wrong, hoping ArenaNet will release the suspension. Sometimes they will admit they said something they shouldn’t have said, and they still beg to be let back into the game.

It’s 100% common sense, nothing more, nothing less. Don’t ridicule other players, harass anyone, use profanity, make real-life racial comments, etc. It’s really not difficult to comprehend assuming people have been taught manners at any point in their lives. But a certain percentage of players want the freedom to say whatever they want, so they come to the forum saying suspensions shouldn’t exist, that players should just block, etc etc etc.

It’s ArenaNet’s playground. If people don’t want to abide by the rules, they can go find another playground where there are no teachers watching. Personally, after years of seeing excessive immaturity in chat, I’m thrilled with the suspensions and hope they continue.

If you can’t be civil, don’t use chat. This solves the problem for everyone.

Five words into this post and I can tell you did not comprehend the first post I made. It does not matter if “just about” everyone knows why they were banned. This is a tyranny of the majority, and if you support that then you have lost the moral authority to tell me that you know how to make this community better.

The rest of your first paragraph is some general straw-manning of “Them” (because you have clearly bought into an Us vs. Them mentality) followed by an incredibly condescending post about how people should just act more like you if they don’t want to get banned. Thank you for proving me correct.

Login attempts from Tokyo? PLEASE let us buy Authenticators!

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Gotta say, even TOR had an authenticator option at release.

Granted this is because they cloned world of warcraft in every way conceivable and that happened to be part of that plan, but it’s still a pretty ingenious tool for account security. I’d really like a phone authenticator.

Wrong place

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You’ll want to appeal this through the support center since I don’t believe they can do anything about it from here. Good luck getting through though, as far as I can tell they’re swamped with tickets.

Guardians at 80 could use more health...

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There really isn’t a good reason for the base health difference between guardian and warrior. Virtue of resolve is purported to be the cause on the wiki (guardians have lower base health but more regen!) but basically what that means is we get an ability we should never use, or we lose that regeneration and then have to play like a lower health warrior for the next minute and a half. If I HAVE to spec into vitality/toughness in order to make up for the survivability that a warrior gets by default, there is an imbalance. A warrior can also grab vitality, and still have more health. Why even have trait options if all the options are fake because I’m too busy grabbing the “necessary” stats?

Character name changes?

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It will possibly be available in the future.

If the name even somewhat resembles a real persons’ name you may be able to use this to your advantage and have people report you for it to get a name change, but I can’t remember if that name change comes with a ban or not.

Language bans

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I have some serious issues with the way offensive language bans are currently being handled.

My primary concerns are as follows:

We are not told what it is we are being suspended for. Saying “you know what you did” not only isn’t always true, it doesn’t help us improve our language because the players of this game are not mind readers. To quote Gaile Gray from another thread on this subject:

GaileGray

If I had to take a guess, I’d say that fewer than 5 people out of 100 really don’t know why they got a suspension for language.

Am I to interpret this such that one in twenty people will not only not know why they have been banned, but be unable to receive that information? This is not a good statistic. If the point of the ban is to deter future behavior of that type, the player needs to be informed of what it is that they have been banned for. Saying “you know what you did” clearly does not work for the entire set of people who have been banned, nor will it likely work for the 95% of players who might have some idea of why they have been banned. There is likely a very small number of people who unquestionably know why they were banned, but I have been in that position before and I can honestly say I’m not in it now.

Granted this “5 people out of 100” is a guess, but so what if it’s lower? Is it better if four people out of one hundred don’t know why they were banned? Is it better if it’s only one? The only truly just system of banning should leave no question as to why a ban is handed down. Zero out of one hundred people should be left questioning exactly what it is they have been reported for. Anything less than this is simply tyranny which should not be the policy of a fair set of rules.

This policy also creates an Us vs. Them mentality between those in support of it and those who believe its unfair. The problem with this is that those in support of it would like to argue that they have a moral high ground, but as far as I can tell they’re as subject to condescending, snide and sarcastic behavior as any other person would be. Probably more so because they believe they have a moral high ground. Does this policy affect them fairly? I personally doubt it. Why would it? As long as they don’t swear they can act as antagonistically as they want, so it would seem. In this case how does this policy actually make the community better? It’s simply a source of argumentation which is going to lead to more bans and negative community response.
If people are banned for participating in, but not instigating an argument, then the ban is demonstrably treating a symptom of a bad community and not the cause. A person who supports this policy is more likely to report than a person who does not, even if both are at fault for toxic behavior but the ban itself will not reflect this.

In short I believe that this kind of system does not fulfill the purpose of creating a better community because it does not accurately target or isolate problematic elements of a community. Reformation, not punishment, should be the way to create a better community and this policy does not help reform. It is arguable that it even punishes on a fair basis because of who will be getting reported, and for what. I may have more to say about this at a future time but I have been drinking since before I began typing this and I no longer trust my ability to write with clarity.

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Questions about dialogue options

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They have minor effects on some NPC conversations.

Nothing on the level of, for example, paragon or renegade would in the mass effect series for example. Mainly flavor dialogue.

Swearing in private?

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Apparently such a system is required. It is real life in that real people are interacting. Other people read what you say. Your words affect others.

If this is not understood, then maybe “kindergarten” punishment is, in fact, required?

Kindergarten punishment, as I’ve described, doesn’t punish the guilty.

Swearing in private?

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Turtles All The Way Down.5608

None of the places you list rely on word of mouth from other equally questionable customers/visitors. All of them don’t have a real-life “chat filter” option that will censor words you choose to not hear.

This game is significantly distinct from these places in these two ways, which renders your point about following a linguistic social contract moot.

I dont know how new you are to life, but yes they do. Generally a customer will go to a manager and report your conduct, in which case the manager will find you and ask you to leave or stop your behavior. It works just like the reporting system in-game.

Reported because the phrase “I dont know how new you are to life” is not civil or respectful.

Obviously everyone else in this imaginary grocery store is just as offended so you’ll be thrown out forthwith.

Swearing in private?

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The concept of controlling abusive behavior is neither fascist nor a question of “legality.” If the system is unacceptable to you, you are free to leave.

If you walk into a school, enter a place of business, go to a club, or sit in a movie theater and become surprised, offended, or upset when you are asked to leave for behaving badly, you obviously need a lesson in the social contract. Why should the Internet be any different? Especially since we all agreed to behaving appropriately when signing in.

This system does not control abusive behavior. People keep comparing this to real-life situations, so let me spell this one out for you.

This isn’t like a movie theater, this isn’t like a church. This isn’t a grocery store, or a public park, or a place of business. This is a pre-school, because we’re all here to play.

If I squirt water in some other kid’s eyes and then he gets mad and starts hitting me, I get to tattle to the teacher on this other kid and he gets a time out while I run off to be a little brat somewhere else. That is the system that is being used and embraced here.

Swearing in private?

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I said “Anal [Shelter]”

Someone said they were reporting me for making horrible anal jokes.

A bit later I was banned.

Interesting. So, because this person didn’t like your humour, they had the power to get you banned. And because you used a word that could be interpreted as, “Strong sexual nature” you were banned.

This is exactly what I am talking about. Turtles is now banned for 72 hours because someone else took personally offence to what was said. It doesn’t sound like it was directed towards anyone in particular.

Does this really warrant a 72 hour ban? Does the person who reported this have no responsibility in this?

Personally, if this story was told accurately, I think this is a shining example of how misguided the AN policy is, and how easy it is to abuse. It has been shown time, and time again, through both science and practice that if a few people are given power, they will abuse it.

Because the consequences are so harsh for breaking the rules, AN needs to put a system in place that protects everyone involved. No one person should have the power to ban someone without a proper inquiry.

Turtles, I feel bad for you. I’m scared to chat with anyone in the game now because I have no idea if my personal brand of humour, or whatever will lead to being banned. I don’t think I have much more to say other than I unfortunately have to agree with those who suggest not being social in the game, and sticking to third party communication.

This is a very black mark on an otherwise great game.

It’s also significant that there is no option for me to appeal the ban, so if I believe I’ve been banned wrongly I have no option to argue my case (except by raising a big angry stink on the forums). Their word is “infallible” I suppose.

Swearing in private?

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Posted by: Turtles All The Way Down.5608

Turtles All The Way Down.5608

The swearing policy is a horrible cop-out method of giving the game admins and moderators the power to ban for whatever they desire. They can always say the person in question broke the TOS because everyone breaks the TOS.

For example, the word I was banned for (Anal) is not word filtered on the forum and so is clearly not offensive enough to warrant a ban, yet I was banned for it at the whim of a hypocritical dictator.

How is anal even remotely appropriate?

1. Strong sexual content

or

2. Insulting someone

Jus sayin, you just have to watch your mouth. Its really not that hard to behave yourself.

I sincerely doubt the veracity of Turtle’s claim.

Who cares what you doubt? The events I have described are precisely what happened immediately prior to being kicked from the game server. If you’re actually going to support this system to the point of simply ignoring counter evidence or arguments, then you’re just irrational.

It was inappropriate. You are not allowed to talk like that in public areas, stores, shopping malls, businesses, schools, charity functions, the list goes on. You can do so freely if no one can hear you, obviously, but if someone is exposed to your inappropriate use of language you will be promptly asked to leave the facility/area you are in. In other words, you are temp banned.

ANET is like any other store/public place you go to. You have to follow the rules.

None of the places you list rely on word of mouth from other equally questionable customers/visitors. All of them don’t have a real-life “chat filter” option that will censor words you choose to not hear.

This game is significantly distinct from these places in these two ways, which renders your point about following a linguistic social contract moot.

Swearing in private?

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Posted by: Turtles All The Way Down.5608

Turtles All The Way Down.5608

The swearing policy is a horrible cop-out method of giving the game admins and moderators the power to ban for whatever they desire. They can always say the person in question broke the TOS because everyone breaks the TOS.

For example, the word I was banned for (Anal) is not word filtered on the forum and so is clearly not offensive enough to warrant a ban, yet I was banned for it at the whim of a hypocritical dictator.

How is anal even remotely appropriate?

1. Strong sexual content

or

2. Insulting someone

Jus sayin, you just have to watch your mouth. Its really not that hard to behave yourself.

I sincerely doubt the veracity of Turtle’s claim.

Who cares what you doubt? The events I have described are precisely what happened immediately prior to being kicked from the game server. If you’re actually going to support this system to the point of simply ignoring counter evidence or arguments, then you’re just irrational.

I don’t support the system you’ve described; I just doubt the level of your blamelessness here.

Well I doubt the level of blamelessness of the ones who reported/banned me. It’s a system built for abuse.

Swearing in private?

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Posted by: Turtles All The Way Down.5608

Turtles All The Way Down.5608

I sincerely doubt the veracity of Turtle’s claim.

Well I don’t doubt you’re correct in your skepticism. In any case, the bans aren’t nearly as tight as people say they are. People are just used to getting away with whatever they want on the internet. All of a sudden there’s rules and ppl are freaking out.

How would you know how tight the bans are?

Do you work at Anet? Have you been banned? Have you run a study or are you just running your mouth?

Swearing in private?

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Posted by: Turtles All The Way Down.5608

Turtles All The Way Down.5608

The swearing policy is a horrible cop-out method of giving the game admins and moderators the power to ban for whatever they desire. They can always say the person in question broke the TOS because everyone breaks the TOS.

For example, the word I was banned for (Anal) is not word filtered on the forum and so is clearly not offensive enough to warrant a ban, yet I was banned for it at the whim of a hypocritical dictator.

How is anal even remotely appropriate?

1. Strong sexual content

or

2. Insulting someone

Jus sayin, you just have to watch your mouth. Its really not that hard to behave yourself.

I sincerely doubt the veracity of Turtle’s claim.

Who cares what you doubt? The events I have described are precisely what happened immediately prior to being kicked from the game server. If you’re actually going to support this system to the point of simply ignoring counter evidence or arguments, then you’re just irrational.

Swearing in private?

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Posted by: Turtles All The Way Down.5608

Turtles All The Way Down.5608

The swearing policy is a horrible cop-out method of giving the game admins and moderators the power to ban for whatever they desire. They can always say the person in question broke the TOS because everyone breaks the TOS.

For example, the word I was banned for (Anal) is not word filtered on the forum and so is clearly not offensive enough to warrant a ban, yet I was banned for it at the whim of a hypocritical dictator.

How is anal even remotely appropriate?

1. Strong sexual content

or

2. Insulting someone

Jus sayin, you just have to watch your mouth. Its really not that hard to behave yourself.

It doesn’t get wordfiltered on the forum, so it must not be that offensive.

Or if it is, now you’ve said it too and you’re just as guilty as me. Maybe we can all get banned together.

Swearing in private?

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Posted by: Turtles All The Way Down.5608

Turtles All The Way Down.5608

I said “Anal [Shelter]”

Someone said they were reporting me for making horrible anal jokes.

A bit later I was banned.

Swearing in private?

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Posted by: Turtles All The Way Down.5608

Turtles All The Way Down.5608

The swearing policy is a horrible cop-out method of giving the game admins and moderators the power to ban for whatever they desire. They can always say the person in question broke the TOS because everyone breaks the TOS.

For example, the word I was banned for (Anal) is not word filtered on the forum and so is clearly not offensive enough to warrant a ban, yet I was banned for it at the whim of a hypocritical dictator.

Applaud Cursing Ban....thank you Anet.

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Posted by: Turtles All The Way Down.5608

Turtles All The Way Down.5608

I’m not particularly pleased with the ban based on language, especially when there are two tools in game that allow players to deal with it already.

That said, I am THRILLED that Anet has a policy and is enforcing it. I’m so tired of companies rolling over for bad players. There are rules. Follow them or get the kitten out.

So instead of rolling over for bad players they make a system that bad players can abuse to their own benefit. Reported for bad language because even though it got wordfiltered, I know what you actually said and it offends me.

Where's Deborah after I save her? :(

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Posted by: Turtles All The Way Down.5608

Turtles All The Way Down.5608

She will appear far later with little fanfare and minor plot significance. Also she’s probably going to be there regardless of your character origin, but you’ll get a bit of unique dialogue.

Applaud Cursing Ban....thank you Anet.

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Posted by: Turtles All The Way Down.5608

Turtles All The Way Down.5608

The TOS does not improve the community. Every single player is guilty of breaking it, so it’s really just a system of reporting people you don’t like so that they get banned. If I get into an argument with someone and swear, and then get reported and banned for swearing, is it the argument or the swearing that is wrong?

This treats a symptom in the most fascist manner possible and completely ignores the cause.

You know it’s still an abusive community because it’s just another system that can be abused.

>every single player is guilty of breaking it

Wrong

> If I get into an argument with someone and swear, and then get reported and banned for swearing, is it the argument or the swearing that is wrong?

Don’t swear in the first place, in fact, don’t get into petty arguments.

>This treats a symptom in the most fascist manner possible and completely ignores the cause.

Actually, the most fascist way possible would be something like: Killing you and your whole family. However, Anet clearly spell it out in the terms of server the kind of community they want to foster – if you don’t read that, or lack the ability to not be a keyboard-warrior with a penchant for swear-words than perhaps you need to work on your self-control, rather than blaming Anet.

>You know it’s still an abusive community because it’s just another system that can be abused.

Because…. wait what? It’s not abuse, it’s clearly written in the terms of service. I guess what is happening here is that you’re not agreeing with them and ergo you think they are all fascist – which is really just a shock word for something that is far less sinister, you’re playing a game that has certain rules and you don’t like those rules.
Oh well, grow up…

Reported for not keeping it civil. Antagonistic language like “grow up” and questioning my self-control make me want to fight you.

I will be awaiting your ban shortly.

Inconsistent language policy

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Posted by: Turtles All The Way Down.5608

Turtles All The Way Down.5608

One could say I’m rather anal hurt about this matter.