Guild Wars 2

MagnusLL.8473:

Tzun.6073:

Is it better to settle for third? Because that’s what going to happen if we don’t get out sh…t together.

Strategically speaking, given the situation right now, it makes exactly zero sense for both Vizunah and Desolation to kill each other. If we were on Vulcan instead of Earth, you’d see both servers engaged in a total 2 vs 1 against BT to try and reduce them to sub-100 points per tick every time it’s realistically possible. The only moment when it starts making sense attacking each other is once you have mathematical certainty that even a perfect 2 vs 1 is not going to change the final result of the matchup.

Of course I fully realize that this is indeed Earth, and that people reach decisions mostly by emotional means rather than rational; that however doesn’t mean I have to commit the same mistake :P

That’s exactly why Desolation doesn’t belong to T1. You do not have enough tactic sense. So as a Ruin member said on this very page, “you got carried to T1”.

@Magnus : most of them were enjoying the free win server. Then they transfered to AS when they won, and came back here this week.
As a member of the Grand Cross alliance, i can tell you some of our people already proposed solutions to the problem two months ago on this very forum.
We didn’t like it more than you, but we are a small part of Vizunah and even smaller part of those who come here bragging.

That’s not the point at all. EU servers atm are EU, not international. That’s a huge difference.
And we see a lot of language specific servers in the top because the change started by Desolation is 4 weeks old. We can speak about it in 6 months if you wish.
This is anticipating the problem, knowing what is happening on the US ladder is enough proof i think

I’m glad to have a chat with you, as you bring your ideas with respect. Now :

MagnusLL.8473:

EU ladder was never stabilized, all the matches have been complete blowouts, before last week, ALL the EU games have been already decided by tuesday at the latest, maybe wednesday in some rare cases.

I don’t know about you, but I like my WvW being decided by skill, not by whomever has more insomniacs. And the fact these insomniacs are from your own country is utterly irrelevant to me. They make you win by PvDooring, so don’t come and cry to me when we do the same to you.

T1 servers were stabilized. I was in those battles, you were still in T3. We had a T1 with AS ER and VS. All 3 servers won once in the last 3 weeks. Ain’t it good enough ?

The fact that you like your game decided by “skill” and not PvD is honorable. I like my game the same exact way. So you answered a 40 people nightshift with a full 5 guilds alliance called ruin. Now you win by doing PvD. It’s ok, i don’t like it but whatever. This is not what the thread is about. The tread is about keeping EU/US separated or merging them, in order to make sense. There is no sense in “EU ladder” if it isn’t fought by “EU people”.

MagnusLL.8473:

During primetime, with full maps everywhere, and assuming a 1vs1vs1 (i.e. not a 2vs1) even with a superiority display of masterclass proportions it’s completely impossible for a server to open a sustainable advantage bigger than, let’s say, a 350-175-170 against the other two servers, the simple mass of players available to all 3 sides will see to that.

You are extremely minimizing the power of Blacktide. They’ve been reinforced by the Disorder league. They play 2 hours earlier than western Europe and every single person that fought against them will agree : there is no team better than nug/gf on the gw2 WvW.
And now they even organized nightshifts and they dominate ER. They dominate the morning too.

MagnusLL.8473:

I am EU, so please don’t speak for myself, thank you very much.

I shoulda added : except EU Desolation. My bad, hope you are not too offended.

MagnusLL.8473:

Right, because Vizunah autowinning with those 695-0-0 was “competition”.

Vizunah was auto-winning vs old-Deso and FSP. While i think FSP was worth a T2 server, old-Deso was more like a T3.
When some real baddies went up the ladder (ER and AS) there was no more autowin. But you weren’t in T1 to witness it.
There was way more competition this way than with new-Deso. That’s why threads like this are created. Deso destroyed competition, and made a call for more US to join EU. Could be fine if there was only one international ranking and no tagged servers (or any other solution you can think of).

And finally, i understand you feel less concerned by country-tagged problems. It’s no big deal, but i whish you could understand us. We won’t be able to get 24/7 coverage while tagged FR or DE.
We won’t be able to be competitive anymore. And it basically means the end of WvW on tagged servers.

MagnusLL.8473:

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Get your facts straight man. I do not mean to be mean but what you are saying is nonsense.
-Vizunah won thanks to nightcapping : Everyone agrees.
-Vizunah won against Deso and FSP for a long time because they have no night crew : Everyone agrees.

What you got wrong is that Vizunah used EU players to win on EU servers. I get it that you were tired of losing, it’s normal. You improved drastically your daytime and your ennemies thank you for that.

What you got wrong is that you thought Deso was a T1 server : Deso was here thanks to the 24 hrs matchups, and could in absolutely no way compete with Elona or Arborstone. Those servers just needed some weeks to climb the ladder because they started to play with the 1 week matchups.

What you got wrong is thinking that the EU ladder wasn’t stabilized because Desolation wasn’t in T1.

Elona has beaten us at night, and can do it without holidays. Arborstone has beaten us at night. Blacktide as of right now will probably crush Vizu even with “less” night power : their EU daytime looks extremely powerful (kudos to gf/nug, wish we fight again soon).

You had your way to put Desolation back on T1, but you are the only people on the whole EU servers happy by “the way you did it”.
Any nonsense about the NA ladder is useless too. Yes their T1 is 24/7. And their T2 is 300 rating behind the T1, which means no T1 serv will ever go down and no T2 server can join T1.
Do you want this for the EU ladder ? Probably, because you’d be number 1 forever.
Do EU people want this for their ladder ? Not a chance.

FR and DE have always been among the most competitive players in the online gaming history. In a month our EU ladder will be as messed up as the NA one.

The way the ladder is right now isn’t competition. Without competition, lower tier servers will depopulate, and higher tier servers will be tired of PvDoor.

WvW is such a huge feature on GW2, we player have to help ANet with our suggestions, because it would be a shame if you remove any competitive side of it.

@Zaowii/Yaro : your daytime is so much better than last month, there’s no denying it.
However, the amount of income you have since 2 days is the result of last week lack of sleep for french players and a bit of resignation. Do not expect such a result all week long

We won’t. We can’t fight like we did last week. People need to sleep after a week

Asklepious.6014:

Tygra.4570:

Asklepious.6014:

is that not the purpose of dynamic. to adapt?

Either way, once Anet finishes Guesting hopefully in the next 3 weeks free server transfers will be stopped so it won’t be something you will have to worry about any more.

Oh i worry about transfer costing money while Desolation still has this huge American population. That would mean no more competition for the EU rank 1. I guess you didn’t think about that.

Well curious though wasnt that all because of one guild? And I do feel bad for you guys. My guild even had people for EU trying to recruit us on our websites forums to the EU servers. I know it’s not a good nor easy thing to deal with. My point was that it is already being worked on and trying to be prevented from happening again in the future with the free server transfers stopping. And do you really think that guild is going to have fun in World Vs Keep Doors? I mean thats got to get old after awhile. I really don’t see it lasting

Last thing I’m going to say in the matter is that you can’t fix what’s already happened. So try to find solutions instead of trying to focus on changing the past.

The problem is that tagged language server won’t be able to find another solution than waking up early and going to bed late. We on Vizunah did this last week to win against Desolation. It worked. We had 1 week holidays in france. It won’t work anymore.
The EU ranking has been ruined by one (huge) guild going to EU. EU had nightcapping, it was done by EU players, the rankings were stabilizing as Arborstone and Elona went up. Right now the competition for number 1 Euro is just non-existent, and it will lead to a massive depopulation. You still see FR and DE servers high ranked because our ladder has been ruined 4 weeks ago exactly. Desolation went up 4 tiers. I’m not saying Desolation doesn’t play well. This is not the problem.
Aside from Blacktide that is coming strong, Desolation will have no challenge whatsoever over the next months. And T2 will not be a winning game, but a loosing one. Because if you win T2, you waste a week (or more) in T1.

WvW needs to be competitive, and as of right now it isn’t. I’m for the idea of merging : International rankings and no more tagged servers. Being American, i’m sure you are well aware of the unattractivity our tagged servers have when it comes to recruiting guilds overseas

Asklepious.6014:

is that not the purpose of dynamic. to adapt?

Either way, once Anet finishes Guesting hopefully in the next 3 weeks free server transfers will be stopped so it won’t be something you will have to worry about any more.

Oh i worry about transfer costing money while Desolation still has this huge American population. That would mean no more competition for the EU rank 1. I guess you didn’t think about that.

Agreed with the OP.
Almost everyone on tagged language servers is waiting for a decision :
- either and international ranking with no tagged server
- or a timezone you have to select (something like NA or EU…owait that does exist) and you can not move from.

Of course this is a tough choice, and some people will be upset by it. But there will still be less upset people than right now.

The night is over and Vizunah stood strong. We fought the Desolation and pushed back those who wanted to ruin our land. This morning the ennemy is tired and we hold its ground. The battle seem to be won for this week, but there are still a lot of hours to go.

Vizunah’s army rejoyce ! The victory is ours soon !
We are tired, but we shall hold more weeks with such willpower !

PS : cheers to you Desolation army, really nice fight and i made some friends.

Nabarue.3290:

I absolutely love the feel of this thread. Go OP! Fight with all you have! They may break your bodies, but they can never break your spirit!

And i thank you stranger ! At the moment Vizunah forces still hold the powerful night Desolation has. But we will soon start to lose numbers, while they keep getting strengh.
This is a glorious battle, and it will be remembered by Vizunah !

Drede.4701:

hmm tired europeans pulling an all-nighter vs a NA guild playing in NA daytime. Yea don’t like your chances unfortunately.

We held ’til now, we may hold one night more if we find enough strengh !

Disclaimer : this is a RP post, i have much respect for everyplayer on every server concerned by this text. Feel free to add some more RP to it.

Fellow World Battles players, tonight might be the biggest moment GW2 will wittness.
Tonight Vizunah may be the first and only server to resist the Desolation and the Ruins.

This battle is not only for us, but it is for the pride of all the EU servers. Vizunah is likely to fall behind Desolation starting next week, but we wanted to give those guys a run for their money.

Tonight all our past ennemies are looking in the same direction. We will try our best to show the European servers that there is light among Ruins. The fight is possible and Desolation can be beaten. We will fight until the end. But we need your motivation. Vizunah needs to feel everyone cheering for their forces.
We are tired ! We didn’t sleep much ! We fought great battles with fierce ennemies that improved a lot during day time and are still here during night time.
But we held them. We fought them with what our past ennemies made us learn.
We learnt defense with Elona, we learnt offense with Far Shiverpeaks, we learnt to never let go with Arborstone.

Tonight we dine in Hell with Desolation.
This is Vizunah !

I think a lot of you guys are misunderstanding the point here.
OP isn’t sad that FR DE and ES servers will not be able to reach the top of the WvW anymore.
He/she just want to say that with those server transfers there is absolutely no need for a US ranking and an EU ranking. Make it a worlwide ranking. All the problems about nightcapping whining and crying are gone because everyone will now play the same game.

Cheers.

I have to agree to disagree with the IP limitations. Lots of guilds have members that play far from the others. You can’t break that, people want to play with their friends.

But OP’s post is really clever, and i would give my vote to a huge merge. Merge EU and US rankings, make the FR DE and ES tags disappear. Time will do its thing, balance will come and no-one will ever complain about night power anymore.

It is time for a change, please merge the rankings !

For the first time since release we have the outmanned buff during the day on VS. So i guess you are right, some people transfered from VS to AS. I hear their queue is horrible this week.

Keep up the good fight

As an Elementalist, i just pop my anti projectile shield (skill 4 earth staff) and i’m traited with “auras apply to allies”. Dagger storming thieves usually run back quite fast.

Same for me. I tried some other classes and they don’t appeal me. Elementalists have to fight each fight, they can’t rely on spamming 1, and that’s what makes them so interesting. I’d love a bit more damage on air attunement tho.

I find it kind of weird that OP shows us with red squares two nights when Vizunah had “night capping”, and doesnt mention all the other nights where the populations are more or less equivalent.
You can’t say that you have FACTS and that there doesn’t need any opinions with such a narrow study.

As long as the skills aren’t split for PvE/sPvP/WvW there won’t be balance.
It was done with much sucess on GW1, it should be done on GW2.

Please make karma account-wide. It has no use at all once we have bought our karma gear in Orr.
Right now WvW players are sitting on thousands of unused karma.

It wouldnt give any advantage to “toons” since you still have to go to Orr to buy the good stuff, and still need the level 80.

Regards, Tygra.