I’d also like to touch the fairweather part that has became a huge thing in the GvG scene. Alot of guilds will not challenge a bigger/established guild to GvG because ‘’they know they will lose’‘. There’s a ton of guild leaders out there claiming they want to reach the top tier, yet they avoid fighting more experienced/skilled guilds. This blows my mind. Just go out there, fight whoever you can, learn from your losses and work on them.
So many good guilds who have retired or are about to retire because ’’it’s boring, not enough competition, decease of the crown’’ type of thing. But is there really anyone putting their shoulders under this scene and trying to help lesser guilds? Something you should ask yourself. ( This is a quite loaded subject as I can also understand the players in the good guilds, I’ve kinda been there myself a little bit aswell ).
I think this sort of pinpoints the reasons in which the scene has sort of died on multiple occasions, which is the fact that you have maybe 2 or 3 guilds that are hyper competitive with eachother, but are miles ahead of the next 4 best guilds on the “ladder”. So much so to the point where you can learn very little GvGing them because they just absolutely crush so hard.
I think it’s worthwhile to explore the fact that there needs to be a better dissemination of knowledge. I’m of the opinion that the basics of fighting is very simple (which leads to the conclusion that fighting is mindless) but that there are many nuances that veteran and casual WvW players alike don’t understand.
On the other hand, I also don’t think that it’s necessarily the responsibility of top tier guilds to take it upon themselves to help the guilds that are significantly behind. Logistically it doesn’t work to have these guilds go searching for guilds that want help. I think it comes down to less established guilds to seek out help from the better guilds.
It definately has to come from both sides, I also did not mean the good players have to leave their current guild to help out less experienced guilds, but usually I see ‘’informative posts’’ with mediocre builds. The guilds will always give out a good direction of where to go, but it’s never the proper build that a decent/top guild actually runs. After having done so many GvG’s myself, it’s not Build Wars 2. Any experienced player who you do not want them to have your real builds ( Cause that’s the only reason good established guilds will not publish their builds ) will figure out what you run anyway. Not 100% accurately, but atleast 80-90% of your builds is something you can pick up by just fighting you or looking at gameplay video’s/streams from you/your members.
We as a community should put more attention to the few people making guides, posting up builds and explaining nuanced tactics. This should close the gap by miles and make it more interesting already. Once we got to the point that we tried that, then it’s time to point fingers at others. ( And yes, I understand that is is kind of a long-term investment not fixing our problems instantly. )
The problems are seen in a wrong kind of direction. It’s; WvW didn’t meet expectations > GvG was born > Top guilds fought it out > ANet implemented stupid stuff like the +75% or 80% ( correct me if I’m wrong ) damage on Arrow Carts etc making guilds doubt ANets intentions for WvW > The oldschool guilds left cause they either reached their goals or felt ignored by ANet as they saw their beloved gamemode slowly being taken over by mechanics that support blobbing or hugging objectives.
After that whole mechanical story, people’s ego’s got in the way aswell. Fairweather became a trend and all the other stuff I mentioned in my other post. The original problem is the WvW Borderlands and how ANet turns them into a casual friendly environment using AI and/or big numbers to win. Not ‘’hardcore fighting friendly’’.
This discussion is going kind of off-topic tho. I still support the idea of getting more attention towards GvG’s/getting a new gamemode which focuses around fighting with a ‘’raid sized’’ group and all that kind of stuff that has been mentioned. Just don’t do it for the wrong reasons – eSports/tournaments and all that stuff.
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