Guild Wars 2

Lalangamena.3694:

UnknownRH.4592:

You want Rock, Paper, Scissor mechanics on everything? What you are proposing is that every type of damage dealing mechanic in this game should have the same kind of counters. You are ignoring the fact that Direct dps is countered by Armour with the gear that you wear. You have armour as a hard counter to direct dps. Throw a meteor shower on a berserk heavy class and tanky heavy class. One you will hit for not more than 3k and other will be hit around 8k-10k. How much counter is that to direct DPS? More than 40%. Now after this, defence against Crowd control and conditions is not provided directly by your armour. There is no stat that counters condition damage or duration. You can not stack up any attribute like toughness against direct DPS which could be used to counter conditions. hence you have utilities, runes, foods and traits to provide a counter that is not provided from else where. And there are foods that provide toughness and runes too, And crit is being nerfed as well. what more arguments do you have?

hey, exactly my point just with more words…. i am totally with you. just read what i wrote again…

also, i don’t talk to traitors…. since you guys left piken there is a shortage of decent pug commanders on Saturday mornings….

Apologies for misunderstanding. :p
Yeah its unfortunate but we as a guild would have died on Piken if we stayed any longer. Every one was demotivated and our commanders did not want to raid anymore. We needed change and so moved on. Piken will always be remembered for the best times we had their.

I dont understand what the point or idea is. I said in my first post 1v1 conditions are devastating and fatal (In other words not so insignificant). What we are talking here is about blob vs blob and organized group play in WvW. Everything said here is in context of that. So in Blob vs Blob conditions are insignificant considering how easily they can be dealt with. You do not need -40 food to do that or runes. That is what Typin also said who you called Mayor of whatever. We use food and runes to be least effected by crowd control. irrespective of either you are heavily invested in direct DPS defence or condition defence you will fall easily if you are under Crowd Control effects and enemy focuses their damage where you are standing.

Then run a condition build team in WvW and beat a power build team. Then tell me who is right and wrong. Convince your guild group to try this. I have and seen how badly it fails.

Virtute.8251:

TyPin.9860:

Dee Jay.2460:

….then why does my Commander heavily invest to donate -40% Condition Duration food for the zerg?

Because of Immobilize and possibly cripple. All other conditions are unimportant. Damage through conditions is in zerg fights with or without the food is negligible.

Virtute.8251:

Ashin.5986:

But in fact every single person will say “you must be a power build” because condition damage is hardly viable in ZvZ. That’s what makes these threads so dumb. :/

They say that, and they’re wrong in the aggregate. They say it because they were told it, not because they tested it with groups of people testing it along with them. It is far more difficult to get an accurate sample of the effectiveness of condition damage across a fight, but every player feels the pressure from it.

It’s a matter of cognitive dissonance, and that is why this thread exists. Welcome to Wrongsville!

I am pleased to introduce the Mayor of Wrongsville! A fellow player who truly doesn’t recognize the slow boil of condition damage across the duration of a fight. He was voted into office by popular vote. Ladies and gentlemen; TyPin!

I bet you have never played WvW with an organized group. No one will ever let your conditions end their duration on them selves. They can be very easily removed. Insulting someone with out solid points make you look like an idiot. Stop embarassing yourself.

Lalangamena.3694:

because we don’t have 25% direct damage reduction runes and then 36% direct damage reduction food.

if there was one, your commander would heavily invest in these and just whirl in symbol to remove conditions.

You want Rock, Paper, Scissor mechanics on everything? What you are proposing is that every type of damage dealing mechanic in this game should have the same kind of counters. You are ignoring the fact that Direct dps is countered by Armour with the gear that you wear. You have armour as a hard counter to direct dps. Throw a meteor shower on a berserk heavy class and tanky heavy class. One you will hit for not more than 3k and other will be hit around 8k-10k. How much counter is that to direct DPS? More than 40%. Now after this, defence against Crowd control and conditions is not provided directly by your armour. There is no stat that counters condition damage or duration. You can not stack up any attribute like toughness against direct DPS which could be used to counter conditions. hence you have utilities, runes, foods and traits to provide a counter that is not provided from else where. And there are foods that provide toughness and runes too, And crit is being nerfed as well. what more arguments do you have?

Condition is fine you just missed the whole point. Ever seen a hardcore guild group run condition builds? Conditions are so easy to counter when you are running with a group. Conditions are ok where they are because they have an impact and there is also a counter to it. -40 food, rune of melandru etc, etc. It is not overpowered as it is. People use those builds so they dont get locked down, to decrease the impact of conditions. Infact we should not be talking about conditions. Conditions are not overpowered as they are atm but maybe conditions that have crowd control effect have their effect but still not overpowered in my opinion. Bleeding, burn type of conditions are crap. On the other hand immobilize, stun, daze, blind are good utilities. The group that utilizes them well over their opponents will win the battle. It is not like stealth, that most people whine about on the forums which has very few counters to it. Conditions and crowd controls have a equal counter to it. Elementalist support staff, guards shouts removal, war shout removal, Lemongrass, runes. Conditions have so much counter that any build that is invested heavily in condition DPS or crowd control is a waste against a blob that has removal at their disposal (None of this relates to 1v1 as in that case condition is pretty powerful).

On the other hand we can say that WvW builds are limited due to conditions and Crowd Control well then that is another story. But every game has its phases. Early release their are a lot of experimentation and at one point people learn the ins and outs of gameplay and there will always be builds that will be high priority for specific content of the game. everything does not work in every situation. there is a meta defined by developers and matured by players of the game.

If a commander runs -40% condition duration food, Builds have Rune of Melandru, AoE Cleanse is not for condtions regular conditions. No blob runs with condition builds. It is defence against Crowd Control which is skill specific and is not dependant on whether you have Condition build or not. If you say that after investing heavily in Condition defence you should become immune to conditions that is as absurd as saying after wearing armour you should be immune to direct dps. These are utilities and they will make sure you are affected by them by minimal but you will still be affected. Their will never be a God mode for this or else that is a broken mechanic which will require no skill at all to play the game.

I dont even know why wvw people will want to go to TESO. They dont even have a fight mechanic that rewards team work. its is just that RPG everyone loves in an online world. That is the end of it. Even if people will move to TESO they will be back sooner or later. That is what I believe.

Is any of the developers looking at this!! This whole post is hillarious!!

Dayra.7405:

But it still looks like SFR is not winning, so they are desperately looking for reasons for that …
But when I read Ylias post again, my imagination suggest me a totally different story:

A drunk player mixing up former (SFR) and current (Piken) TS. Lets assume he sits in wildcreek as scout:
Scout: I need help 20 Kodash incomming in wildcreek!
SFR com: Aeh, wildcreek does not belong to us.
Scout: Shure it does I am in it! Please help!
SFR com: Ok we come!
Scout: Ahh help help, now the 20 Kodash got crushed by 40 SFR, come fast!
SFR com: hehe you called us, now we are here

LMAO…Spy or not give that guy a cookie lol. At least for sometimes you should take a break from brewing conspiracies. I am sure you guys would have had a lot of fun hearing to that happen live. Hell it made my day

Ylias.1957:

Credits to the Piken spy we had in our Teamspeak this night who gave a report in wrong Teamspeak. Good job man. Funniest thing so far in 2014.

Half of the server is not even active mate. I honestly wonder who he was providing the information to. And besides look at our score. It must be just a troll we do not even care where we are.

Happy new year to all in advance!!

dominik.9721:

Ok wait…. Piken is complaining about blobs? Hahaha.
Exept SFR and Vizunah, Piken has the biggest zergs and melee " guild-groups" since a couple of months.

Maybe you are right but for the last couple of MU all 3 servers have been slacking. I believe Kodash can win this week and get into the big boys game. See how fun it is and decide if they wanna stay tier 1. Piken has one of the biggest guild groups but we were not expecting such a heavy show up from Kodash considering it is Christmas holidays.

For Piken people no need to complain about blobs. We have all been their once in a while. This conversation leads to no where.

Misslol.9741:

UnknownRH.4592:

Misslol.9741:

zoneblob

What part of not more than 50 did you not understand?

The part where u are talking about u were ONLY 50 sticked together and still think that’s all right uh?

Ps. Btw i think u were way more in some situations but i’m not the one talking about numbers here but playstyle.

I would not disagree with any of what you said except the fact that people from SFR simply keep ignoring the facts presented by other servers. May be that is high quality trolling I just dont know. But nothing honestly gets through no matter how much we reason with SFR players. I said 50 players and the next thing is a zone blob made of us mentioned on the forums again.

Misslol.9741:

zoneblob

What part of not more than 50 did you not understand? SFRJ had between 30-35 and DSUN made up the remaining numbers. If we were the zone blob then I dont know what wiped us that night.

We wiped a couple of times last night. yeah there were many occassions when VS and SFR outnumbered us. I know it was a bad border for guilds running on that map with 20-25 people. Well sometimes it is what it is. We were not above 50 however at any point.

you brought 15 in the start and ended with 20. We start with 30-35 and usually end with 40 people from our guild. Friendlies on the map are something we could not help. We always ask nicely to leave us alone. If they do not we can not do much about it. Besides I do not see why you are taking it a kind of disrespect when we already agreed after the first skirmish that we will go about our routine business irrespective to what we decided. The tag came on as we usually like to think of ourselves as pugs friendly guild and do a little for the community at Piken as well.

We will be looking for 20-25 man gvg during the week. Whisper me if interested.

Pryda.8257:

Hiei.8697:

Pryda.8257:

Can’t understand why someone from your guild asked for 20-25man skirmish around the map if you run with whole zone.

Thanks for the fights on VS bl tho.

I can make you the same question

Personally I’m happy to see more guild’s raid on Viz and guild like WL, WLR, ELY that are very strong.. but why you add to all the battles? What is the problem to be wiped?! Yesterday my guild had a raid with 14-18 pll (some went afk) and we had no problem to deal with WL (were you? don’t remember!!) or ELY that were more than us.. we got wiped many times.. no problem!
By the way, ty to both Pik and Viz for the week.. probably we will fight for the eternity with the new Anet system…!

We didn’t add a single fight between two solo guilds and we made a bunch of fights against NoE 2 or 3 days ago.

@Mark: I’m just questionning the fact that you’re playing with commander tome with kittentons of adds when someone from YOUR guild asked us for fights. Told him we don’t mind being outnumbered by a guild, but playing with commander tome is clearly laming us. Maybe he didn’t tell you, that would explain it but nvm.

Cya another week!

Dude we had no tag on!!! I dont understand you. When I told you we had like 30 people and maybe a 7 pugs that we cant get rid off you said we will not fight you. I guess that was made it clear for us that whenever we face you it will not be as per our agreement. we did not care what happened after that if we were alone or we had adds on us. the deal was over when you said we are 15 on the map. You think we would have gone for a fight with 30 against you. It was a normal map run after that. and yes after 2 hours of closed raid we do turn on the tag then. but our first encounter we did not. I even said you could add up guilds if you like to make it fair which you said no guild will do that with us. how fun it could have been for either sides to then have skirmishes. What we did after that was our normal raid business. And at no point we were above 50 even adding the friendlies.

jdkL.4520:

Rayya.2591:

Troma.3250:

Well…

http://www.grandcross.fr/le-depart-de-troma.html

Heya Guild Wars 2 WvW, time to quit for good.

If they would see this, they would revive from the grave

Well, where’s the screen where you lose 1v1 against one of our Warrior ? :P
As I said, nothing to brag about. You should feel ashamed for trying to bait 4 pugs into your zerg being ported by an invis mez in front of lowlands.
All you did that night was trying to bait our pick ups to your blob coming from the side. I’d like to know who’s gonna be impressed by that wonderful gameplay.
Wait, the only appealing thing that made pugz come to SFR guilds like RICH is avoiding to afford 1800 gems to come on Viz
(btw, cheers to the RICH member who I had a nice chat with, hope you’ll find a guild where you’ll get to know at least a handful of members inside it)

Also forgot to mention I jumped on your face and finished you with your blob hugging you that night, but nothing to brag about
Same thing happened to an EB lead on a supply camp, who tried to protect himself vs a thief with a WoR, but nothing to brag about
Same thing happened to an ele trying to camp us in front of our spawn, that I put down twice in a row with his friends around.

I’m more curious about Piken’s prospective, after seing them zerging on our 4man group instead of your blob, giving you a free SM a few times during the MU and now, not even tickling you in a supposed “after league fun”.
You could, at least give the few people connecting on EB, the ability to spectate a good SFR-Piken ZvZ in front of your spawn (can you do that ?), instead of trying to camp us and protecting yourself with built cannons and stuff.
Is this MU makes you feel better, then carry on showing off. That still doesn’t make you good, that makes a lot of your “guilds” (AR, NoE, OSC, EB, BG) sore losers..

Ques on Piken EB are around 2-3 hours long in prime time. other times we are as outmanned as VS on the map. Besides no guilds que up for EB and many commanders as well dont go their. If you want to judge Piken come to any border land. Dont go on with your own limited vision of things.

Jayne.9251:

UnknownRH.4592:

Also I run on every friday in Dolyak form before reset in EB. I get focused by many groups of people in open field when I am not even attempting to fight them.

I’ve actually run SFRBL in doly form and the majority of SFR who saw me either cheered or waved. Was nice

Yeah well not saying it happens to me everytime hehe.

Smoke.9273:

UnknownRH.4592:

Fun is something that an individual enjoys to do. For some people playing for points is fun, others playing for some good fights is fun and a couple killing running solo roamers is fun.
I dont know how you find it contradictory for people to have fun and kill solo roamers at the same time. Do you have a very defined understanding of fun that was imposed on you by your government or something?

I think you just pretend to not understand me. But I will bite: “If you play for fun and good fights, then…”. You will have a hard time arguing that focusing down 1 enemy with 10 people using autoattack is a fun and good fight. If you think it is, I pity you and your ingame skill.

In any case, I didn’t express some objective truth. I expressed my frustration. Next time I will state “I think,” before every statement.
You will play how you want to. That doesn’t mean I cannot find it lame; lame like the Polymorph Moa-skill of a mesmer.

Have fun.

Yeah you can never reach that balance in WvW. There are servers that run mega blobs and servers that run guild raids with small numbers. our server tend to be mostly on the latter side of the above sentence. Besides it also depends where you are. If you are near a camp and doing something to like solo cap it people will focus you for the sake of getting you to run all the way back to it from your wp. Also I run on every friday in Dolyak form before reset in EB. I get focused by many groups of people in open field when I am not even attempting to fight them. It might be a bit frustrating but I try not to point fingers at any one for it. The idea is to just have fun. If you are looking for 1v1 go to the new area in Obsidian Sanctum and bow to people to invite them for a duel. Write on forums like these to whisper you for duels like one of our pikeneer Jayne does. Inconveniences will always be there but that is how the format is here unfortunately. You can not play a game created in your own mind you know. Those 10 people who run after you are unfortunately not going to play according to you.

Junkpile.7439:

5 guilds manage reset T3 keep (probably against PUGs) and it’s amazing?

Yes it is. Try co ordinating 5 guilds on a map. Considering each has their own commander. Also t3 keeps are hard to break if you got shet load of siege in them no matter what your numbers are 30 people can defend against 100 with well placed siege. Which I know was there for sure. Because we tried it one night and could not break your garri inner with 2 guilds.

Smoke.9273:

If you say you play for fun and good fights, stop chasing and killing one person with a group of 5 or 10. This happens on all servers, but I get so sick of it.
Come fight me one by one, you will still have the upperhand.

Also, What about this idea:
Next match up all 3 servers cap 1/3 of the maps on reset and for the rest of the week fight in open field.

Fun is something that an individual enjoys to do. For some people playing for points is fun, others playing for some good fights is fun and a couple killing running solo roamers is fun.
I dont know how you find it contradictory for people to have fun and kill solo roamers at the same time. Do you have a very defined understanding of fun that was imposed on you by your government or something?

My 2 cents into the commander tag popularity thing. Make tags different for PvE commanders and WvW commanders. Everyone who is purchasing a tag have a choice to buy it for PvE or WvW and each is not visible in the other aspect of the game. It will be easy to differentiate then. For people who already have tags can be given an option to choose for what purpose they wanna retain their tag for, PvE or WvW and be switched to that. Tag gating is not a feasible option and the basis people are providing to do that like wvw guild, higher ranked individuals in a guild are too far fetched. People should realize that each and every individual that bought this game should have rights and power to do anything that others ingame can. This is equality for the end users and consumers. What makes anyone believe they have the right to the tag over anyone else, because they have a big wvw oriented guild? and does it not matter if they are any good at it as well or not.

Yes, I agree with the voting system on the commander tag which still has its down sides like personal enimosity etc. But as far as the rating goes it should be just for the viewing of the people to decide and nothing like the visibility of tag etc should be attached to it. Also, if we are going to vote all tags be refreshed after a particular time of their rating so new rating again be assigned and tags dont get perma low rated even if the tag holders have become better at what they do.

One of the good ideas will be that commander tags be only visible to squad members. An option can be provided to commanders to make their tag visible to all on the map or only his squad members. Also the commander should have the ability to remove people from the squad or add if needed. Other commanders on the map should be able to see each others tag to make any tactical moves if necessary. This could again come up as an option to the tag holder if they want to show their tags to all map, squad member or squad members + other tags. These proposals can bring a refreshing new use for guild raids which do not use tags for their guild only raids to avoid any unwanted attention from the map.

Eb is not handled much by organized zergs.

Not again
just writing this for 15 characters

Did you actually loose garrison last night? who took it?

Dave I think you guys were a lot as well and we were kinda open raiding just to get that kitten garri capped. Almost had it once but meh. And VS was a distraction for all our fights. they thougtht they could take our hills in the mean time. Anyways about the laughs the first time we got into garri and were wiped we got many /laughs from SFR. The moment we got back near that NE tower and saw SFR running we did it on purpose to taunt hehe.
Anyways at the start of the day we were running with not pugs but SU who are our alliance and kind of part of our guild raids. XT was around 20. We were in total around 35 in the closed and at open raid between 50-60.
For the defence you put out tonight in garri /respect. I dont think we are gonna cap it any soon. But we did make you roll up your sleeves hehe.

Wolfheart.1938:

You take pride in something you can’t prove?

GvG is that way ->

Edit:
Oh and please don’t take this as an attack. It’s almost Christmas so everyone has to be nice to each other I’m sure that a guild named SFR Junior is awesome on the battlefield.

Indeed soon.
And we hold pride in that we have the most open field fighting oriented guilds. It does not mean always winning fights.

Empyre.2531:

Jayne.9251:

Gensokyo.1528:

UnknownRH.4592:

Gensokyo.1528:

Troma.3250:

We never used Piken like a tool, we just do our job. We focus you, they choose what they want. If the third server was another, we would do the same

was exactly the same with sfr in our matchup against piken in week 5 we purely focused them and riverside was free to do what they wished that they attacked piken was their own choice we didnt care what they did but you also accuse us of double teaming piken in week 5. Week 6 was a bit different though we only started focusing jade sea on the last few days of the week despite what everyone seems to think everyone seems to forget how we built a wp inside elonas eb keep and flipped their garri almost every single day at prime, we were forced to make jade sea come third in that matchup due to how the league works but no one in the server even had that goal in mind until the last few days of the matchup just like how you now want us in third place so that jade sea can come second you are playing the league in the exact same way

Well Piken never accused anyone for double teaming and it is understood as double focus and general strategy. What i do not understand is why SFR hate Piken because of week 1. When in week 5 RS decided to focus Piken we never had an exchange of rage with RS due to that. they are simply doing what they can.

thats because piken already disliked sfr from before the league which is prob explains the behaviour in week one we just reaffirmed this hatred and made it stronger in week 5 which made you focus on us and not riverside. We didnt blame viznunah in week 1 either because we understood why they focused us piken should have understood why we focused them in week 5 but yet they vowed revenge on us after it and that is displayed in this matchup also some piken did accuse us of double teaming them in week 5 matchup just like some sfr are now 10 people posting on forums dont represent an entire 1000 man wvw community though sfr seem to be the only server that understands this

Lol, I’m sorry, I don’t mean this rudely, but you’re a little nutty eh? Piken hated SFR? What on earth for?

Or are you just trying to further work up your server mates with made up stories?

I can see why some Piken hate SFR, they never could beat them before. It boils inside ppl. League was be a welcome opportunity to get back on them, even if it wasn’t with their own power but a 3rd server, of course that all backfired in week 5 and now in week 7, last chance for Piken to take some shots at SFR before after league when Viz helping them would be a random event rather then planned ahead by ANet.

In the end Piken changed face so much since launch, nothing left of its “100% for the fight 0% for the ppt”- mentality it had when it was created. Just another random place like every server has become.

Everything will go back to normal once we get done with leagues and people will start playing for fun again. I agree the mentality here was to win even from people who never played for points. Now, if we are at you say Piken could never beat SFR. I ask in terms of what? PPT then it is held to be true (humbly accepted as it is just coverage you are superior at). When it comes to open field tactics and fights we do get lots of opportunities to take out the so called “hate” towards any server we want. It is what we are still best at and hold pride in it.

We did do a necro zerg some time back in EB. Holly hell it was a lag fest. And those were the times when skill lag was always the issue. Every necro was running with their minion builds. It was awesome to see that necro zerg of ours. Whoever the enemy was at the time did not even know what to do with us and we did cap SM hehe.

On another note it was nice to see VS and SFR fight us on open fields last night on VS Border. We started with a guild raid but after some fights Iddq decided to go full blob mixed with other guilds and VS as always fight it with full force or dont fight at all strategy forced us to make a blob of our own to keep up the fun. Overall it was a very fun night and a bit exhausting for our commanders. I hope the same fighting spirit remains till the end of the matchup.

Gensokyo.1528:

UnknownRH.4592:

Gensokyo.1528:

Troma.3250:

We never used Piken like a tool, we just do our job. We focus you, they choose what they want. If the third server was another, we would do the same

was exactly the same with sfr in our matchup against piken in week 5 we purely focused them and riverside was free to do what they wished that they attacked piken was their own choice we didnt care what they did but you also accuse us of double teaming piken in week 5. Week 6 was a bit different though we only started focusing jade sea on the last few days of the week despite what everyone seems to think everyone seems to forget how we built a wp inside elonas eb keep and flipped their garri almost every single day at prime, we were forced to make jade sea come third in that matchup due to how the league works but no one in the server even had that goal in mind until the last few days of the matchup just like how you now want us in third place so that jade sea can come second you are playing the league in the exact same way

Well Piken never accused anyone for double teaming and it is understood as double focus and general strategy. What i do not understand is why SFR hate Piken because of week 1. When in week 5 RS decided to focus Piken we never had an exchange of rage with RS due to that. they are simply doing what they can.

thats because piken already disliked sfr from before the league which is prob explains the behaviour in week one we just reaffirmed this hatred and made it stronger in week 5 which made you focus on us and not riverside. We didnt blame viznunah in week 1 either because we understood why they focused us piken should have understood why we focused them in week 5 but yet they vowed revenge on us after it and that is displayed in this matchup also some piken did accuse us of double teaming them in week 5 matchup just like some sfr are now 10 people posting on forums dont represent an entire 1000 man wvw community though sfr seem to be the only server that understands this

Week 1 we never even knew what we were going to do mate. To remind you of the facts on reset SFR was leading Piken on second place and VS on third in terms of PPT. The night cap of SFR failed badly against VS. SFR and Piken both woke up the next morning with VS ticking around 400 and with all occupied keeps at T3. You did not focus VS properly in that match up and expected us to poke the PPT beast. That is why I always ask is there really a reason to hate Piken so much. We did all we could. Remove Piken from that Match and put any other server there and you will see the result will be the same. RS is not even near the podium and their behaviour in week 5 was not intentional. It was what they could make out of the situation at best. If we had been winning in terms of PPT I am sure RS would have been heavily focusing SFR in that match as well. So yeah even if our servers may have differences and and a bit of rivalry it could still remain healthy and not become some kind of crap talk. I am not saying that you Gensokyo are talking crap. You are just a forum warrior like me. But the problem is you are so much convinced that Piken did it on purpose and I disagree with that. Right now dont you see if we dont land 2nd in this match up we will loose the podium position. We are fighting for it tbh. We deserve that and have every right to be there because we fought one of the hardest matchups in this league and still tried to stay positive about it. I dont know why VS focus you more than us but if you were in VS border last night even SFR guys would confirm that Piken was fighting both servers. Yeah no one went to VS garri to cap it and we both know the reason for that. Hell SFR and VS even tried to spawn camp us but was not possible to do that for long. Not saying it happened at the same time but on 2 different occassions.

PS: I am from SFRJ (Even I dont know what the tag means hehe) but the guild name is Balkan Legion.

Gensokyo.1528:

Troma.3250:

We never used Piken like a tool, we just do our job. We focus you, they choose what they want. If the third server was another, we would do the same

was exactly the same with sfr in our matchup against piken in week 5 we purely focused them and riverside was free to do what they wished that they attacked piken was their own choice we didnt care what they did but you also accuse us of double teaming piken in week 5. Week 6 was a bit different though we only started focusing jade sea on the last few days of the week despite what everyone seems to think everyone seems to forget how we built a wp inside elonas eb keep and flipped their garri almost every single day at prime, we were forced to make jade sea come third in that matchup due to how the league works but no one in the server even had that goal in mind until the last few days of the matchup just like how you now want us in third place so that jade sea can come second you are playing the league in the exact same way

Well Piken never accused anyone for double teaming and it is understood as double focus and general strategy. What i do not understand is why SFR hate Piken because of week 1. When in week 5 RS decided to focus Piken we never had an exchange of rage with RS due to that. they are simply doing what they can.

Ask anyone in any match up if they had fair fights. All servers either double focused a server in a match up or got double focused in one. No one started nothing. SFR forum warriors just need to grow up.

Yeah I thought it would not be long until we start playing the blame game again.

Gensokyo.1528:

UnknownRH.4592

actually im talking about people i personally know on piken just cause u was alright with it doesnt mean your entire server was and those people who moved due to it obviously arent on piken anymore to voice complaint

Well in that regard the only issue was the increase in que times and people who did not like them left the server humbly without going into rage mode or throwing curses at new guilds that joined. Overall, Piken welcomed every guild that wanted to join here (It is not just me on the server who has this attitude). I can not vouch for the entire server on this but only inform you about the general attitude on our server about this. If a minority of people did not like it well they still did not complain except the fact they left hoping que times to turn down a little in the future so they may return back. Besides We always would love to have guild groups on this server over individuals and band wagoners at any other day. Band wagoners do not even ask or send scouts to servers they want to move to but guilds do and investigate if the environment on the server is suitable for them. I will be amazed if someone would stop guilds from joining us but we do present them facts about current que times (We do not present ourselves as an ice cream with cherry topping). facts are facts and they must be presented to every guild that wants to join us or we will have very disappointed people joining us.

chriskin.3298:

Gensokyo.1528:

just like people on piken didn’t want half of desolation to move to you

Piken’s people were actually very polite and made us feel at home really fast. I can’t even consider Desolation my “home server” anymore and I have been there for way longer than on Piken.

We didn’t lose that many guilds after the season either, not permanently at least.

@Gensokyo
Try joining other servers to see how things work out on them. Trust me hate is not the only option servers have or guilds have against other guilds. Too much vodka will get you drunk!! not a rocket science in that statement yeah. Your mentality is just a shining example of how your community thinks and works. Hate is all you know.

Jayne.9251:

Iil.7349:

Jayne.9251:

Why does anyone have to justify any demographic?

Seems to me if server A has more players overnight you have two options: fight them or recruit your own.

Who cares where people live or if they’re staying up crazy hours to fight?

Look at the end result.

Then get out there and fight.

I think this discussion is not about if it’s fair or not. It’s just about the endless denying of French servers that they have no oversea help at all. They should just admit it and I guess most people would be fine.

Yes, but why does it even matter if that is said? They could be up ridiculous hours and doing nutty stuff, nobody knows except those that play there — and in the end it’s the results that matter, nothing more.

I could say I wear a pink tutu while playing WvW because I believe it gives me superpowers. Doesn’t mean it’s true. Nor should it affect your gameplay. There’s far more interesting things to debate, frankly.

Stick with the facts: There is a strong night crew. Either find ways to counter or recruit your own. Everything else shouldn’t concern you.

Jayne shush!!

At least the flaming for sometime is not on Piken. :p

Junkpile.7439:

chronometria.3708:

Seafarers bring all this on themselves, basically.

I`d personally love to be fighting Vizuna, but I don’t get an opportunity to do this. It was my forces that kicked out SFR from their EB holdings on Saturday night, ably assisted at the end by commander Dannetbh, who finally took the keep while I pulled back to repel vizuna golems at ogrewatch and anza.

The fireworks were not mine, but I applaud whoever put those out. They were a rather entertaining way to celebrate the zero tick and I salute your whimsy.

Did I want to be there? Not really. I spent much of my time that early evening trying to make some progress around durios and umber, attacking vizuna. I mixed this with taking stonemist when we could and must have spent a good two hours bashing heads with the vizuna zerg (with mixed results).

When I finally start to make progress, what happens? Seafarers takes anza with golems and I have to call the whole thing off. The very same thing happened last matchup where I tried my best to take on another server and seafarers just doesn’t get the message that they can help out.

So, with a heavy heart, I took my troops, reclaimed anza and then took the only course of action I had available to me which was to slowly wipe seafarers off the map, starting by taking and holding wildcreek. Vizuna, having much more sense, quickly saw the way the battle was going and understood what we were doing. They came and peered at us as we stood on the wildcreek battlements, trying to understand our intentions and for about 5 minutes we peered back, readying a defence and eventually we waved at one another and it became pretty clear that their intentions were to attack seaferers as well.

My hand was forced because all my work on fighting vizuna got no support from seafarers. I have no idea what SFR was doing that evening because routinely I was running into the entire vizuna force over and over at durios or stonemist. Seafarers only lurked out to take anza and undermine our efforts instead.

So I have done my part in trying to support equality and to take on the larger threat in EB. Vizuna can clearly see where piken troops are going and seafarers clearly doesn’t look at the map except to learn where piken is so they can backstab some empty towers here and there. Even after all that has happened I was hoping for piken and seafarers forces to unite, briefly, to fight the common foe and SFR didn’t act on that.

Lessons to learn perhaps.

Elite Pilot Kikki – Piken Friendlies Commander and Golemancer.

Why would we attack viz when main thing is that piken doesn’t win? I just can’t figure out why our players won’t just stay close piken spawn and kill everybody who come out.

Try that where we are on the map. If you want to know where we go tonight pm me.

Wolfheart.1938:

UnknownRH.4592:

no SFR has lost it so easily.

Din need a monday for that.

Man SFR so easy to beat (when Vizunah is around, amirite?)

Beat in terms of what? PPT…pfff. Last night we were on VS border and would love to say we were undisputed the whole night. At the start of our raid it was understandable as our guild numbers and many friendlies on the map made us around 50. But later in the night when both SFR and VS got their 100 man blobs (which I dont blame them for, it was just they wanted to beat us) they still could not do it. Many good fights in Bay and many fights in hills where VS and SFR was fighting to cap it but guess who capped it? Piken <=

How many times that happened I honestly dont remember myself hehe. Monday is coming was suppose to be a light hearted joke based on our performance over the last few weeks before we met SFR in week 5. Yeah that did hurt hehe. If you want to see our performance you got to see us open field. Leagues did make many on our server to care about points and now we are just trying to maintain the 3rd position in the podium. there are many still who cant play the points game without having good fights. Even if we land 3rd this week there is no fair chance with SFR to land 1st in this matchup (i.e. beat VS). So chill out and let us fight for 3rd position here considering that we did have the most difficult matchups in this league (facing VS and SFR 3 times in the league on 4 different matchups).

We could have shet about like many SFR here that we did not deserve to be where ever they saw us in terms of league positions. But quite the honest answer is JS did not deserve to be anywhere near 2nd in this league either. But their luck and the flaw of the league matchups made them earn it. they did exceptionally well their and there they are landing with you on 2nd place. So yeah, our strength lies in open field and we love it. Personal note, SFR is still better that VS in terms of field fights, VS if they are less than us dont even expect a fight, if they are equal our numbers still not a chance, greater than us still they will think, full zone blob now they feel comfortable.

I hope better fights till the end of the week just for the sake of it.

no SFR has lost it so easily.

Din need a monday for that.

Rethical.3258:

What a crazy night, and its only midnight! Just had a crazy 3 way skirmish in our hills on vizunah map. First the vizunah omega golems knocked on the north door, then the piken melee train came charging in.

Congrats to piken for finally taking it. You guys have some really impressive players on tonight!

Maybe we can get a waypoint in there by tomorrow and we can do it all over again!

Hope everyone is still having fun =D

This is how a normal MU thread looks like usually. Respect!!

And that was us with our open raid people. This late into the night its very hard to keep up your numbers with guild members so we go open tag at this time. That hills cap was really awesome. Both SFR and VS showed some real fighting spirit out there. VS for actually trying to push us out of the Hills by fighting us and not making this look as bad as it is always does. And SFR for not sitting behind their fortified keep and actually try to push us out of the keep and not even once. It was a very satisfying end to our raid.

Best Regards,
SFRJ

OniDrake.4361:

UnknownRH.4592:

OniDrake.4361:

UnknownRH.4592:

OniDrake.4361:

Jayne.9251:

My condolences to SFR, someone mentioned in a prior post that kid is like that in maps, too.

What the excuse to 2vs1 this week? New strategy? Looking for good fight?(free cap while vizuna camp our spawn?) Enjoy ur 4 place piken, hopefully in season 2 can bring u down deep enough

no excuse we are focusing SFR. Infact you do when you call it Intentional double teaming. This is the only difference between you and us. We dont cry when we loose. besides you talking as if you already lost this match up

Yea but the reason? You just prefer french chees then european server like ur? If so at least is reason, i hate piken much like u hate sfr, so as soon we meet u without vizuna enjoy 3 place every week.
Vizuna has a reason to hate us, cuz we beat them after a year of their domination, and dat domination is end now.But Piken? what piken get by focusing us? nothing, vizuna at least focus us cuz they want first place back, piken wanna what? focusing us first week u just won the hate by all sfr for all the match dat will come

Like we care. Besides, Every time VS attacked our occupied garri on SFR border SFR always went for the hills and never bay. Hmm, interesting. You see you like french cheese too.

Kinda hard to focus 2 side when u get a 2vs1, so to take point for the thick we focus weak side(piken), too hard to explaine what thick is for casual player aiming for 4-5 place in season like piken doing, praying vizuna to bring piken out of bronze zone.

hehe the weak side has 2 keeps in your border.

OniDrake.4361:

UnknownRH.4592:

OniDrake.4361:

Jayne.9251:

My condolences to SFR, someone mentioned in a prior post that kid is like that in maps, too.

What the excuse to 2vs1 this week? New strategy? Looking for good fight?(free cap while vizuna camp our spawn?) Enjoy ur 4 place piken, hopefully in season 2 can bring u down deep enough

no excuse we are focusing SFR. Infact you do when you call it Intentional double teaming. This is the only difference between you and us. We dont cry when we loose. besides you talking as if you already lost this match up

Yea but the reason? You just prefer french chees then european server like ur? If so at least is reason, i hate piken much like u hate sfr, so as soon we meet u without vizuna enjoy 3 place every week.
Vizuna has a reason to hate us, cuz we beat them after a year of their domination, and dat domination is end now.But Piken? what piken get by focusing us? nothing, vizuna at least focus us cuz they want first place back, piken wanna what? focusing us first week u just won the hate by all sfr for all the match dat will come

Like we care. Besides, Every time VS attacked our occupied garri on SFR border SFR always went for the hills and never bay. Hmm, interesting. You see you like french cheese too.

OniDrake.4361:

Jayne.9251:

My condolences to SFR, someone mentioned in a prior post that kid is like that in maps, too.

What the excuse to 2vs1 this week? New strategy? Looking for good fight?(free cap while vizuna camp our spawn?) Enjoy ur 4 place piken, hopefully in season 2 can bring u down deep enough

no excuse we are focusing SFR. Infact you do when you call it Intentional double teaming. This is the only difference between you and us. We dont cry when we loose. besides you talking as if you already lost this match up

Elusive.9481:

WvW is all about number of players. Nothing can counter a large zerg except another large zerg. It doesn’t matter how upgraded a location is or how much seige is built inside, the zerg will win, especially against a tower or supply camp.

Things flip too easily and frequently. This is good right now since the achievements are based on this principle. But honestly, it shouldn’t be like this. Structures should be sturdier, and something should counter the zerg.

One simple correction could be that the “legendary” defenders and guards scale to the number of enemies in proximity to it. If you don’t like getting one-shot, make them have nasty AOE attacks. Anet certainly doesn’t hold back when it comes to the Nightmare content.

Force strategy: How many times have I been in or near a zerg that busts easily through a fully-upgraded tower only to drain its supply and move on with no intention of upgrading? I propose that towers specificly award no points for ownership until a new, gold-free, but supply-required upgrade is completed. This would force a server to take a supply camp first and hold the structure until enough yaks supplied the tower with this basic upgrade. Towers and Keep should be stragetic strongholds. How many towers, keeps, and SM itself have trebs built on the supply depot? That is ridiculous. The only strategic place to put a treb in most towers is on the supply depot so that it can still hit things, but forces an opponent to actually take the tower to destroy it. The outer area of SM is a huge EMPTY area with trebs build on the various supply depots. Anet, I think you can design something better than that.

Personally, I think Keeps should have more than 1 level, with a gate in-between. Have permanent traps fall from above, triggered by players. The defending server should have the advantage — by a lot. The borderland Garrison has 5 outer gates to baby-sit. Why does it take more effort to defend it than to overtake it? Why build a tower if you’re not going to put a mass weapon on top of it? For the view? It should be a strategic structure. What castle doesn’t have dozens of guards defending it?

If the structures remain basically useless besides awarding points, the answer will always be numbers. Why have the matchup at all?

First point about numbers and blobbing,
It all depends on the server you are on. I have seen and also done many huge blobs with our 25-30 man blob. It all depends how organized that blob is. blobs get to shred with 25-30 man groups if they know what they are doing. It all depends on your commander.

Making cap points stronger,
Supply camps are suppose to be taken easily there is nothing to hold in them, unless you really want it you will have to defend it with appropriate numbers. You have probably not met servers that use bunker tactics to defend their caps. The siege is set in a way that you can not break in without 10-15 golems. Nothing else works. If towers, keeps are made to be stronger than what they are right now then infact there will be no more small roaming groups left and the need to blob more will be there which your whole post is intended to be against.

@Vroum we dont mind blob up and fight us. The problem is we run ourselves with 30-35 man guild group. So yes we dont expect every kind of guild to fight us but usually around that time we used to have some great fun. But for the last 2 days in AR border all that has happened is either fights below AC, cannons, trebs, mortars or just hit our occupied hills and run when we arrive their. Which kinda made us call off our raid earlier than usual yesterday.

Whats with sitting towers and keeps people. This Matchup VS win, we come second and AR last. there is no way anything is gonna change. Now get out and fight us atleast for fun :s

I think the problem is not for the people in the border but for guild groups that have to get in the border in time for their scheduled GvG. And GvG itself practically takes around 30 – 45 min maybe. But yeah during that time people do have lots of inconvenience getting into borderlands. either playing on the border or getting in for GvG both sides get a bit frustrated.