Guild Wars 2

ThomasKreshant.6572:

UnknownRH.4592:

Actually this is a very fine example of some one who came from low level wvw server(Vabbi, etc)

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Huh? need explanation for my statement or what? And seriously lol.

dani.1956:

milton.1796:

dani.1956:

Great play GH and Abaddon and dont worry , Piken will be farmed as usual like they been farmed 1 week before and they will be farmed after this ! Anet just kittened up as usual with the game random stuff !

“Get farmed as usual”

In your fantasy world we didn’t get to rank3 by being farmed.

Sounds like you are angry.

I come from SFR and when we catched you guys we FARMED you good ! And now i saw that you’ve been farmed 5 weeks in a raw ! MUHAHAHA , thats all i got to say : MUAHAHAHA ! Soon another 5 weeks ! Get some lube !

Actually this is a very fine example of some one who came from low level wvw server(Vabbi, etc). No matter what you say I am sure it is not very long since you transferred to gunnars. Get to know people around actually join a decent guild and learn how to respect and get respect.

Unless you are a minor then I take everything back and you can do or write whatever pleases you.

mtRXX.8793:

WBC looking for GvG, pm me ingame.

I forgot WBC is here as well. Greetings from ex WSR to another.

sendmark.4731:

milton.1796:

“Get farmed as usual”

In your fantasy world we didn’t get to rank3 by being farmed.

When did you bandwagon on to Piken? Before last week Piken lost 5 matchups in a row.

Even if we lost we still did well enough to score points positive to get to higher ranks. In one of those match ups we even beat SFR (no matter what the reason) landing at second place after Vizunah was first. It is not really about winning or loosing. it is about how well you do or manage to do even on an uneven match up.

Vayle.7964:

FG and Fury on GH… and not to forget NNF? seems like this is gonna be a fun week

Dood you forgot INC our ex.pikeneers.

lol did you see the unbuilt siege we lay down infront of hills in GH border on Saturday night?

Non prime times you will never see any guilds raiding. If there is a commander tag on borders or EB and the commander is on TS people will follow him coz talking and chit chatting through those hours is more fun than being in your own world alone. that eventually leads to off peak blobbing as well. Wait for prime time you will see guild groups.

Sceinna.3561:

I’m not going to name any names but that D/P thief spamming me with “Headshot” 24/7.. you do realise theres other skills in your already OP and unbalanced build, right?

Cmon how can it be intended some guy can keep you perma locked without doing anything other than pressing 4, extremely frustrating…

There entire fight daze 1s undazed daze and this non stop for like 5 minutes until I’m eventually dead, gg. Such a troll.

Was his name Piken Scout? That kitten!! :p

hihey.1075:

Solo roaming is so pointless these days since those boodthirsty 30men blobs DO bother to chase me even as a Thief and I spend most of the times running away than actually killing something, so I’ll be using my Ele for guild raiding for the time being.

Hehe sounds like my story…. in a single statement I will describe it as “I used to solo roam as a thief killing people up close and personal but then I took an arrow to the knee and started range dps’ing people as an elementalist.”

Genotix.6804:

UnknownRH.4592:

If it was GH border most of us would have been too drunk to see you there or realise you were the enemy :p

Yeah it was GH borders and no hard feelings mate that you steamrolled me

Awww yeah you shud not keep any hard feelings about that. I dont even remember that. drunk effects :p

Omg I need to start working!! Just realized I am replying after every post here lol!!

If it was GH border most of us would have been too drunk to see you there or realise you were the enemy :p

Yeah well as I already mentioned I am not playing this week. Its work until I get back home on thursday. I played the reset night and the following Saturday. It is good to know atleast you guys are having fun at around prime time.

hihey.1075:

Is there anyone here who was in the MEGA Piken Blob which tried to capture our Garri at 11 PM GMT?

You have to mention which day? Though people tend to cover their faces after a miserable loss of a battle. You might hardly get a response.

Monkeymonger.9235:

Also, please don’t be overly concerned with us. A lot of us are stuck in boring jobs and these forums are a key factor in keeping us from falling asleep on our desks. We may not be the best warriors in the game, but we certainly strive to be the best on the internet.

lol I just can not believe you wrote that. From one office desk to another hahaha. Apart from that our guild raids end usually after each guild has spent like 2 hours playing in a closed raid in prime times. After that usually people left over still hungry for blood shed will follow the tagged up commanders on the border lands. Hence, the birth of late night mega blobs on Piken servers.

Los Re.4607:

What i can’t accept is people from server rank 3 coming and trying to convince us that the reason they beat a rank 14 server is because of skill when the only difference we have is a huge gap in covarage. Leagues are starting in 2 weeks, have some patience, enjoy the fights and have fun.

Nobody ever said that mate. Or maybe they have considering I have not read all the posts in this forum. And those if any I am sure are not old Pikeneers who hold the values of community we have here. But that is not the general view here. We respect guild groups from other servers. Lots of respect for FURY as well, I have a mate running in your guild too. One Man Tank if I may refer. INC as we know just transferred from Piken to GH and we respect them. they played their part in building the community we have today. We shout like crazies when we see FG tags running around on the map and take care when we should encounter them. Run away at times as well when we have to or after loosing a fight. Why would anyone ever disrespect you guys?

We had a mega blob on saturday on GH border and after some time you guys made us taste dirt in a couple of fights. The thing is you just imply we dont respect you when you are loosing with that much margin. We are made of guild groups and respect guilds from other servers in this regard. This is what drives Piken community. Everyone has skills in fight its just no one has the guts to accept enemy wins over themselves like I just did or even brag about it.

Los Re.4607:

Monkeymonger.9235:

P.S. to all the piken players that bring their underleveled, naked alts (despite me not really noticing many upleveled) to wvw due to the boredom of this week… Why don’t you just leave the karma train/?

Because if they do it’s like beating up a 3 year old kid with a skateboard trying to run away.

SEE? I HAVE THIS HUMOR THINGY!

Now seriously all of this mess happened due to the attitude of AM and GH at reset. Atleast it is what I will say happened on Friday reset. We had 4 guild groups raid on Piken border and what GH and AM had at reset was 70-80 man blob which in no way was a fair fight. We merged our raid groups to bring fights to equal footings but still could not handle the masses you guys had. Remember the start of the match up when Piken had lowest PPT than both of you. Yeah that is the time I am referring to.

I do agree that this usually happens on reset but people from GH and AM actually started bragging about it on forums as well (hehe). As a result you did see us blob over the week end. However over the weekdays you will find us running in the same guild groups like before. The only problem is we will be always more than you guys on a single map at any time. As for me I am not even playing this week. So stop telling us to be not be on a karma train that is not usual thing over the weekdays but we still blob when we see AM. they dont know any other language hehe

Los Re.4607:

UnknownRH.4592:

Why? Are you not tired of spanking Vabbi? For a change get spanked some times :-D. Well we got spanked as well a lot of times during the past match ups vs SFR and VZ. But those were still I will say equal match ups.

Over here we are like 70 people running after one solo roamer to kill him. some times it is hillarious though. A poor match up in the end. No one is really having fun. We come home from work tired and all ready to cheer up our mood for a bit of wvw and ohh noes we already have everything :/

Well we haven’t played with Vabbi. There were more chances to play with you than Vabbi btw, learn the facts first. Also kitten if you find it boring 70 people chasing one guy you can run on your own. There are people that have the necessary body parts to run even solo you know.

1. Get yourself some humour.
2. run solo!! nah I prefer running in a naked blob in these kinda match ups

Why? Are you not tired of spanking Vabbi? For a change get spanked some times :-D. Well we got spanked as well a lot of times during the past match ups vs SFR and VZ. But those were still I will say equal match ups.

Over here we are like 70 people running after one solo roamer to kill him. some times it is hillarious though. A poor match up in the end. No one is really having fun. We come home from work tired and all ready to cheer up our mood for a bit of wvw and ohh noes we already have everything :/

I dont know about the quality of our game anymore. Considering most of us will not even remember what we did last night :p. Pikeneer’s ftw

did we get an official response on this from Anet by any means. I really want to see what they think about gvg so people can decide they want to stay on their ship full of rules or not.

I really like the idea mate. Norn areas are currently the least explored ones and a story like this can really bring a lot of activity in norn areas. Besides I am bored with the same old plots generating from Lions Arch. This will be a move in furthering the story lines of races of Tyria. And I really dont know why Anet is looking to introduce new story lines with that play house Sylvari (forgot the name), Molten alliance and Aeitherblades.

They all seem to me like side plots and nothing really happening to the more pressing threat that was the dragons about which this whole game was advertised with. A step in this direction from developers will really be appreciated. thank you for this wonderful post, really enjoyed reading it and keep up the good work.

huh arcane attunement or does that mean arcane trait?

There are trait lines associated to switching elements like air gives speed. now imagine a fire to air switch and then air to fire multiple times. How many stacks will I have of might and speed after a few secs? though that can be addressed by again putting an internal cool down on the trait line. Again a cd on a specific trait is still needed so it is alright where it is I guess instead of putting gazillion cd on each thing that turns over powered they simply put it on one thing that can cause it.

Why do you need them is the question? PVE everyone has heal enough to kill that Daym AI. PVP some of the trait lines do some good justice to classes that do not have that many direct heal skills. WVW there is a skill combo mechanism in place where certain classes like elementalist has water fields and they place them nicely on the ground and other classes huddle up nicely in those fields and use blast skills to get them AOE healed. Again why do you want them to be there? just for the sake of it…..PUNK!! :-p
jk

Conditions are a problem for elementalist lol. That heal with which you take off god knows how many conditions and water trait for each dodge you remove I think 2 conditions. I have no problem facing any kind of condition even in a wvw situation.

I just dont get it how you get so many conditions and are unable to remove them as an ele. However as thief, I have difficulties removing conditions.

I think it is the skill 1 on water cast. Can not think of anything else.

Btw for starters to upgrade your ele to exotic quality if you have 504,000 karma go to one of the temples in orr and buy that temple armour which ever suits you. then keep upgrading to wvw armour as and when you have the resources/

Standard staff elementalist build to providing support to friendly blob. Use Knights armour Power, Precision, Toughness) with celestial (+ All stats items) ascended trinkets.

Use weapon with soldier (Power, toughness, vitality) stats. Finally use food for -36% condition dmg (Dont remember name) and superior sharpening stone for precision increase.

best way to get ascended trinkets:
Amulet = Laurel vendor
2 Accessories = Guild commendations
2 rings = wvw laurel vendor (cheaper than normal purchase in terms of laurels) or best way is through pristine fractal relics in FOTM.
back pack = You need to buy exotic quality in FOTM and upgrade to ascended (this you will not find celestial quality so buy soldier or knights.

Here is how I use my resources in a wvw situation.
Air attunement in the start enemy blob stacks and buffs then move in our general direction > Static field for that awesome 2 sec stun and switch to earth > first encounter hand to hand with enemy > Use skill 4 and 2 on earth to slow them down more switch to fire > spam skill 2, 3 and 5 and switch to water > if your your blob needs heal throw it down with skill 5 and 3 or else cc enemy with 4 and then skill 2. :-)

Managing resource. If you dont have attunement cd yeah that AK-47 seems like a good idea hehe

Because Anet wants you to actually understand what you are doing with your ele and use your resources reasonably rather than spamming skills as soon as they are available.

Tom Gore.4035:

Hats off to Riverside already. Your ascent in ranks has been great. No doubt you will pass us this week to the well deserved 3rd place (or even higher!).

Or not!! :-p

We were never this better against Jade Sea and Elona Reach. :-)

May be we just got better fighting Vizunah and SFR for the last few weeks.

This was expected to happen!! As the leagues are kicking in there was expected to be a lot of shuffling in the servers. The question here: was the que time okay before the new guilds joined Piken? and a simple answer to that is no they were not. It was already around the same time even before. It started getting worst when Anet announced leagues. Stop blaming it on the new guilds, at least we can control what guilds join us but we cannot control the band wagoners. Just because when a guild announces there move to a specific server many people get a name for bash beating which imo is rediculous.

Another question here is, have we done better in off peak hours like the new guilds promised they will cover? and the obvious answer is yes. So, when people say they are all prime time guilds!! well they may be but they are also covering our oceanic and american prime time hours.

Only a little patience is required until the end of the leagues when the band wagoners will leave servers to where ever they may feel comfortable then we will again have a stable que time with the guilds that have dedicated themselves to the prosperity of the server. I hope none of the old piken guilds that are still with us get disappointed with que times and stay with us as this will eventually become better. Every server faces a time like this and things smooth out once the band wagoners loose interest in the server.

Khrums.3765:

Just to update you guys some info about current situation on Piken Square.

Recruitment :

Oceanic – open
EU prime time – close/ full (long queues)
NA prime time – open

+1 prime time is full with very long que. We are not looking for any more individuals who run around wvw in prime time. We are a guild oriented server and individuals running on prime time at any wvw map just increase the que time for our guild raiders leaving them disappointed.

However for oceanic and NA prime time we are looking for more recruits as we have some numbers running around in off peak hours and you might be a very good addition to it.

Thank you for your cooperation.

McWolfy VII has left piken atm. They have no plans of returning but they did say that they are not sealing the door behind them. they might come back in future.

Repuran.1859:

Nice to see Pikenlation winning this match up by so much, lets hope they get a few more prime guilds even to face the mighty SFR.

Repuran trust me we have no issues of prime time facing SFR, Vizunah or Riverside. We have even beaten a riverside 80 man blob with 50 people many times. In prime time our score is more than any of the 3 we are facing it is just coverage at off peak hours that the other 3 have that makes us taste dirt usually. Now with DVG covering our off peak hours we might have a chance.

There is never anyone in front of me so I dont know what griefing is hehe.

I log into forums and every day I see a thread posted about perma stealth thief. Nabs will keep posting such threads until the receive a thief on plate for dinner.

Ivonbeton.6814:

So I’m not too sure where all these topics are coming from?
Those complaints/suggestions seem to stem from a different perspective. Not really concerned with the state of the thief, but more with how annoying it is to play against.

Yea you gave the answer yourself.

Those nabs who think they can kill a thief alone without even equiping themselves properly for 1 vs 1 come here to qq about how hard it is to play against them. A thief in wvw specifically equips himself in terms of traits for a 1 vs 1 encounter. People who cry here at the forums after getting beat by a thief should realise they din prepare for a 1 vs 1. They equipped themselves for zerg fights to play there part in the blob.

Why even bother trying to take out a thief in his camping location. stick with your blob and run them over when you can. A thief is smart enough to disengage when he sees 5 people running at him. You must be smart enough to run as well when you see a thief running at you when you are all alone.

Give the thief ability to dual wield axes. Dont you guys think that will be fun.

Sanduskel.1850:

As a thief, I really have to laugh at all the raging from my fellow thieves. This won’t hurt a bit…

The problem is not stealth hard counters. the problem is that these things to change the way stealth used to be will not be the same anymore if these babies do not stop crying about it.

I say it over and over you simply cant beat a thief 1 vs 1 in wvw that is the only reason people cry. But why do you have to beat him at it is the question. When I run my ele I simply run with my blob and run down any thieves we encounter perma stealth or not. Now if I see a thief camping a location I say kitten it and change my course to the next shortest path. A thief cant do kitten in wvw other than solo roaming, scouting and camping locations. other classes can do a lot in wvw for their blobs and thiefs provide nothing to a blob. However, other classes can spec traits and weapons to kill a thief that is not so useful in a blob. Just you see a lot more thief doing it solo in wvw is because they dont have an option to do any sheet else in wvw. You can camp locations with a mesmer, ele, guard, warr if you are good with them.

Please get over stealth and learn how to play.

magic fly.2041:

Linguistically Inept.6583:

sminkiottone.6972:

Thief as it is right now is almost immortal with stealth

no.

A skilled one is unkillable.

A skilled one is skilled if you wanna kill a skilled one get yourself skilled and stop blaming on the stealth to be broken.

Use COE armour the best :-D

Shemsu.8721:

Terrahero.9358:

Revealed on an ability that requires a visible target is no more a counter to Stealth then Stun or Daze is.
It might last a bit longer, but we dont know that yet.

As it stands there is still nothing to actively track a Thief in stealth or pull him out if it, and that is what i consider an actual counter to Stealth.

actively track a thief in stealth? what is the point of stealth then?

They just want a thief served with a hot platter to them!!!

Is the ranger skill ground target like some aoe or is it simpy on target ability. If it is the second one no matter if the thief is in stealth if you had targeted the thief before he goes into stealth you are still gonna hit and reveal him. This is how generally everything works against a thief. play one to know better. So terrahero you are suggesting a real counter to stealth is that a thief be in stealth and gets revealed is like begging to remove a mechanic from game that one class is completely dependant on for survival.

And btw reveal is very different from stun and daze. once you reveal that thief you can then stun and daze that thief to its death. However, if you stun and daze a thief that is in stealth which is to last for lets say 11 sec you will move on without caring to kill that thief and he escapes. I dont know what is the obsession of playing 1 vs 1 with a thief all these nabs got to do. You cant simply cant face him off 1 vs 1 stick to your blob and run him down whenever you see one. I do that when I play my ele I dont run to my death when I see a thief ahead of me. However when I am thief many people come begging to get killed one by one. stop crying about stealth mechanics already and I hope Anet does not weaken this mechanic more.

I dont know whats been talked about here but I wanna clarify something to myself. Help me understand this are the leagues not being divided into 2 US and 3 EU pools? Does that not mean that each pool has its own winner (gold, sivler and bronze winners)?

If the above is correct does it not mean again that many high tier server guilds which are also high pop will consider moving to low tier servers e.g. like in Eu servers best coverage is brought by Vizunah Square and SFR, Desolation, Elona Reach, Piken Square who are the competitors may consider going to lower tier servers and take a chance at getting gold position rather than going to compete vizunah where they already know they will loose?

I have seen WSR (White Side ridge) population go from medium to high just after the announcement of leagues. this how I see it is a smart move from Anet as populations will be more balanced out after these league matches. Or else I have not understood the question here at all and am blabbing about something I dont get. hehe

sminkiottone.6972:

Surferboy.1649:

well, I don’t think Anet cares much about what the thieves think. Everyone else is whining about thieves, so they keep nerfing them, so all others are happy.
As I understood it, giving reveal to rangers is just a start and other classes will follow, wait another month and all classes can reveal us. So as soon as we fight against 2 we are dead, because we can’t stealth anymore.
I bet this class will be broken until Chrismas.
Right now, I can at least farm most players, because they just suck.
When fighting against good players, you really have a hard time already.
To be honest, a good ranger doesn’t need the reveal to kill you, if he knows when to dodge and when to block, but with it he has it much easier.

We will see how many rangers will use that skill. What annoys me is, that there is a skill which focuses on a single class. I mean, mesmers can also stealth, no question, but in 1v1 fights, they can’t use it often.
So which other skills exist in this game, which are against one class?

Thief as it is right now is almost immortal with stealth, is there a reason becuase most ppl roam with thief ? yes, it’s the easiest class right now, it compensate the lack of skill,
I hope this will change as soon as possible, all class should be able to counter thiefs, as thief is able to counter all builds.
It’s not gonna destroy the class, this is the first step to balance broke mechanics, the most broken was stealth.

I love to read you guys whining

Thief is not able to counter mesmers, guardians, necros and some builds on elementalists very easily. your statement is bulls (you know what) when you say that. You have not even played all classes to know what counters you have against thief. every class has builds to counter against thief. People then argue that if we use those builds we can not really help in any thing else like the blob fights. I ask a simple question that when a thief specs himself to perma stealth build do you see them capable of doing anything else then to just pick off enemies. hell other classes even have the option of switching roles in wvw by changing builds. But a thief is stuck at just that singular option to solo roam and now even that is being taken away. And you are trying to pin the opinion that only people use thiefs to free roam because they are the easiest class. seriously, even i am not good at perma stealthing my thief when people who know how to counter me throw themsleves at me. after these changes I guess the only use left for thieves will be at pve content like world completion and nothing else :-)

I thought Anet understood that balance between different classes does not have to be as simple as rock, paper, scissors. Every class has its own role and function. I can write a very long list of advantages related to levelling the different classes in guild wars to level 80. But as we are talking about thieves there function in wvw specifically is to free roam and disrupt small number of enemies moving around the map. Pick off enemies who make the mistake of alienating themselves from the blob they follow (Though this only applies to medium and light armour classes).

Now the question is what will happen to the use of thieves in wvw after they provide every class with atleast one stealth hard counter. I dont see myself going into wvw with my thief anymore. I see people qq on forums about the OP’ness of perma stealth builds. The only reason I see them cry is because they can not face off thief in 1 vs 1 on fair grounds. Well there is no other thing a thief is great at in wvw. they can not run around with blobs and be of much use their. If every other class wants the capability of high end 1vs1, good support in blobs in wvw, very useful class in dungeon parties, excellent in pve free roaming solo, superb support in pvp plays then I ask to every one who cries about thief what is the point as a player to level up other classes after you got one class to lvl 80? I levelled a warrior specifically to get better access to dungeon groups since most of them dont accept thieves and elementalists in dungeons. If I get a jack of all trades in one class why would I even bother to level another class.

And with all honesty I thought Anet understood this and that is why they din give a rats kitten to what people said. But they have disappointed me on this. The least of uses I could mention of a class was of rangers, I think they wanted to bring +1 to why someone wants to level a ranger. Well ranger is still gonna be the last class I will level.

KOK.2650:

Can we nerf the gain when it is MY off-peak hour and YOUR peak time as well since at that time MY SERVER is outmanned.

the discussion is not on my or your off peak time. The discussion is on servers off peak time. an Eu server has its own off peak time and so does NA. Anet also promised to launch Asian servers if I am correct. Anyways you went to a completely different angle there as Anet should either dump the association of their servers to a time zone or provide a solution to off peak times. If it is your off peak time and my prime time then I am simply not playing in the right servers and is my choice to do that anyway, no blame on Anet for that since they already distinguished there servers according to time zones.

A possible solution to such an issue is also to remove the association of servers to time zones but again a down side will be that many people may face lag and ping issues. Nothing in this is back to square one I believe.