Guild Wars 2

Outplaying SoR in EB atm, being outplayed by BG.

Tower loss count stands at BG – 0, TC – 0, SoR – 3 (QL twice, Durios once).

An interesting first four hours.

~Nyari Cil, Queen of EB

snacktime.1082:

I think building defense is just boring to most, I understand it. But, if you left 3-4 people per tower, 5-6 people per keep, and had them upgrading, escorting yaks, putting in siege, running supply, and holding down the supply camps that the keep/tower depends on, that server would have a huge advantage over other servers of the same population.

A very small handful of guilds actually know how to defend that well. Every keep/tower is different, you have to learn where to put siege, what positions can hit you with counter siege, what to upgrade first, etc…

EBG might be a bit different strategy, I havent’ spent enough time defending there to really comment.

All the maps are dependent on having the 10% of the population who defend, stategise, and know their towers/keep inside out online to do these things.

‘Most’ icon commanders do not think to repair walls, replace siege, act defensively instead of offensively. They don’t know ‘where’ to place defensive siege, or advanced offensive siege. But, this doesn’t matter when you outnumber an opponent, or you’re playing against opponents of a similar skill level.

What ‘most’ icon commanders do is lead around large groups of people to assault towers – often the ‘wrong’ towers, often at the expense of a swift and concise defensive response to any assault in one’s home territory.

EB is different to the BL’s in that it’s a map where ‘defense’ is what ‘wins’ the day. The faster you upgrade your 4 towers and keep, and the less you lose your camps, the larger advantage you have. It allows you to press for SM with relatively security. It allows you to make prolonged attempts at another server’s (ideally) weaker towers. You will never ‘keep’ what you take for more than an hour under normal circumstances – again, different to the BL’s. EB isn’t about take and hold. It’s ‘flip and keep them weak.’

Therefore, if your towers and camps never flip, you are infinitely stronger than your opponents.

Me, I hate losing towers. I hate it :p. I don’t even like losing camps >.> When I’m around, and I’m actually ‘needed’, we don’t lose many towers in EB. Even during weeks when our opposition fielded more even numbers, and stronger tactics, we still didn’t lose towers. We don’t even lose camps (holding Golanta for 5+ hours without loss has become rather standard in these match ups).

I remember holding off Kome, and EDSM, and EsF for over 90min with their prolonged sieges of Klovan at 6am in the morning. We had around 25 people on the map, but that doesn’t matter, because I know exactly how to counter everything you could possibly throw at Klovan. The times I dare to sleep? It’ll flip.

When the right people are in EB to perform the necessary tasks, and the right icon commanders (those being the ones that will listen, that watch the map, and that understand defense > offense), TC does not lose things >.>

This long at the top of tier 3 has led to the situation I described above. I fully expect us to lose a lot of towers in EB next week. Especially as I won’t be around for most of it, and there is arguably nobody more versed in defense on TC, in EB, than myself (though there are quite a few who do exactly what I do, day in, day out, and are the backbone of EB). I am by no means the foremost authority on ‘offense’, however.

Ideally, this will encourage a return to the philosophy I feel sets TC apart from FA and CD (in EB), and that is that taking ‘anything’ from us is a ridiculously daunting prospect. If we remain in tier 2 for more than a week, I’ll be putting forth as much effort as I can to teach folks, once again, how to defend, and communicate with icon commanders as to what they should be doing with their forces, once they’re willing to listen.

~Nyari Cil, Queen of EB, repeater of ‘use the cart in the lord room.’

Re Jaldy:

The longer one continues winning (and the easier those wins become), the more complacent (some) players become. The majority of icon commanders who have fielded easy wins over the past month or so will find themselves in dire straights up in tier 2.

Those of us who play for a challenge tend to play less when that challenge is lacking. This leads to your more casual players, and less experienced icons to ‘run’ maps. Not a bad thing, everyone needs to learn. And in tier 2, those who stick it out the entire week will hopefully learn!

As I said before, next week’s match won’t really be representative of any server’s prowess due to where it falls, but the lethargy that creeps into one’s tactics when faced with little threat (and all credit to FA, CD and YB, they all made EB an exciting place for me at times over the past 2 months) will lead to some swift re-evaluation of competence in tier 2.

~Nyari Cil, Queen of EB

Mmmhmm! Moving up Xmas week is terrible ^^

Personally, I’ll be away that entire week, other than Friday night.

I think taking next week too seriously in terms of any server’s capabilities is a little silly. Most of us will have other priorities.

The upside, however, is it will give everyone a chance to refresh their batteries, either by virtue of new match ups, or taking some time off to spend with family and friends.

~Nyari Cil, Queen of EB

Hekatombaion.4320:

Vagrant.1094:

-optimism-

I’m fairly convinced that anybody on CD with a commander tag that doesn’t think they know what they are doing just leaves it off all of the time.

I know that thing makes your chat super busy but I’ve never once got a response from whispering our commanders (excluding those in my guild/in teamspeak with me.) The hodge podge players are fairly good about whispers but I wish I could figure out who dropped this or that piece of siege so I could just offer placement tips to them.

In my experience, 90% of people with icons run around with that icon on 100% of the time. That doesn’t necessarily mean they know what they’re doing. They may have the basics down, and they can certainly improve, should they be willing to take on board advice from a recognised source.

Part of that is building up your server presence. My name would be a virtual unknown in the Borderlands, but if you play frequently in the Eternal Battlegrounds on TC, in primetime or oceanic, then you’d know who I am, and what I do. This leads to people listening to me (not always!) when I choose to speak up, or whisper.

Something else you could try is on reset night, placing most defensive siege yourself, or via a few people you can trust. 90% of defensive tower and keep siege that goes up in EB on Friday nights is placed by myself and a few others who know exactly where to place it for maximum effect. The result of this is that other people tend to see it in those places week in, week out and replicate that.

It also helps to reiterate where siege is placed in chat. Too often people won’t think to look anywhere beyond ‘in this very obvious place on the front wall’. Which is, in fact, the ‘worst’ place to drop defensive siege. ^^

~Nyari Cil

Hekatombaion.4320:

SO
I’d like to know a little more about how TC actually trains their pugs. I’ve been making gradual efforts of that nature for a good while now but it’s very disheartening as most either think they already know everything or are not interested in learning (‘somebody else will know how to do that.’)

It’s more a matter of watching the people who frequent whatever map you choose to play, and spotting the ‘talent’, so to speak. You’re quite correct in saying that many people are unwilling to learn, or believe they already know best, or simply want to run with the zerg and kill folks. However, there will be a percentage of people who are new to WvW, start off running with the zerg (as we all do) but are willing to branch out into other key areas as they begin to learn the meta of WvW.

I talk with a tonne of people via whispers. I doubt anyone realises the amount of whispers I receive and send every time I’m in EB. When I spot someone that performs tasks beyond simply following an icon around, who will repair walls, rebuild siege, defend supply camps, do what I say needs to be done over team chat, I take note of that person and make sure I talk to them, get to know them, and make sure they know I appreciate their contribution.

I will show the people who care to learn ‘where’ to place smart defensive siege, how to defend any tower, how to counter trebs and so on. On the rare occasions that I’m leading people around with my own icon on, I will point out why things fail (you didn’t push through the choke, you didn’t wipe siege, you didn’t keep destroying the mortar, you were too obvious about where the countertreb was going to be placed, or simply bad luck – we ran into an unexpected force, ‘I’ messed up by placing something poorly, and so on).

Again, not everyone is going to listen. For each night where you get 20 awesome people who will run repairs to SM’s walls from various supply camps for an hour without complaint, you’ll get nights where 20 people stand uselessly on said walls while they’re being trebbed, and do nothing about it.

It’s finding the folks that ‘want’ to learn, and helping them help ‘you’ (and I wouldn’t be nearly as effective in my role as a defensive strategist if not for those people I can trust and rely on to do exactly what I do) that yields the reward for any WvW leader. Anyone can purchase an icon. Very few realise you can do a lot of good without it, and that it’s simply another tool in your arsenal, when so required.

Another thing I do, when I feel it’s necessary, is point out to those icons that ‘are’ leading zergs ‘where’ those zergs should be. Too often, you’ll find zergs are led in completely the wrong directions. They go north when they should go east, they hit blue when they should hit red, they focus SM when they should be ignoring it. Not everyone understands strategy, and sometimes you need to point out the correct course of action to ensure it is undertaken. Sometimes I’ll do so via team chat. Sometimes I’ll whisper the icon in question. Ideally, this helps your icons improve their game as well. It’s not just the casual masses that need educating, but those who lead them.

We all have things to learn, and ways to improve.

~Nyari Cil, Queen of EB

exploits@arena.net

Use that address to report any exploits. Include your screenshots or video footage etc if you have it. It’s all you have to do.

~Nyari Cil, Queen of EB.

Could someone from CD, who regularly plays in EB, and isn’t prone to fits of irrationality send me a PM on these forums?

Nothing to do with alliances, or dolyaks, etc etc.

I just need to talk with someone sensible about a certain something.

~Nyari Cil, Queen of EB.

It is a truism of online games, let alone PvP, that where the opportunity exists to mess around with any kind of organised event, people will take it.

The Dolyak Parade was an event in a WvW zone. Folks are entitled to shoot other people, as dispiriting or bothersome as that may be. It’s something you go in to such an event expecting. There’s always someone who wants to be contrary

It was still fun! It still displayed the spirit of co-operation between servers. The back and forth here between folks who were involved, and the folks from FA who wanted to interfere (and were entitled to so far as WvW is a PvP zone) isn’t going to achieve much.

Personally, I went back to EB and focused FA for 2 hours or so, taking and holding 3 of 4 towers. It would have been 4 of 4, with Veloka Slopes’ wall down from my treb, but CD took Ogrewatch off us a few min before we would have walked in to Veloka. ^^

Good luck to both CD and FA in the rematch tomorrow night.

~Nyari Cil, Queen of EB

Please keep in mind there were a few folks from FA marching amongst us.

You can’t control the actions of everyone on your server. ^^

While FA and their ballistas were disappointing, there are always a subset of people who will want to a) kill anything red and b) ruin anything they can and c) fail to read chat.

I’m sure the FA folks marching with us informed their comrades of the situation, and I’m equally sure the FA who chose to keep attacking ignored them.

It was fun, and CD and TC co-operating together, even for 10min (with a few wonderful people from FA!) was entirely worth it.

Cheers to you, Appledainty, and your many dolyaks in their quest to upgrade All The Things.

~Nyari Cil

It’s not going to impact the score :p

If you lose a tower or two on any map due to escorting a yak and having fun…oh well! This match is over. It’s not going to matter. ^^

~Nyari Cil

phaneo.4597:

Ok, let’s not again derail this thread, and this is a request to all the sides.

To change everyone’s mood:

appledainty.8127:

Hello! I just wanted to make some small requests of my fellow players.

If you are from CD you probably think of me as the mad red pirate that toils endlessly alongside a dolyak in an endless quest to upgrade All The Things.

If you are from FA or TC you probably think of me as that squishy blue ranger toiling endlessly alongside a dolyak in a hopeless quest to upgrade All The Things you are just going to take anyway.

My fellow CD players, I would ask that if you should see me walking alone beside a slowly plodding dolyak, that you please toot your horn or otherwise put a speed burst on as you pass to assist my efforts. It is for the good of the server!

And ye nemesis of TC and FA, I ask that if you should see me toiling all alone with a dolyak, that you wave at me before you stake me to the ground.

Love,
Team Dolyak & Fluffyhooves

Jayne.9251:

Personally I think we should all make a big 3-server marching parade with Appledainty at the end of this week and walk with her and her Dolyak.

Let’s try to make this happen!

Appledainty:

Pick a time and a place for a march with Team Dolyak & Fluffyhooves on Thu night, and I will ensure a bunch of TC folk from EB turn up to march and celebrate peaceful co-existence with you.

~Nyari Cil, Queen of EB.

Awesomesauce.9528:

TheFug.5278:

So about 15 TC just rolled through a supply camp.

8 of them are d/d ele’s

thats more than 50% running flavor of the month D/D ele’s.

This is getting ridiculous.

Yeah d/d is pretty popular, but to be honest, I feel like there isn’t really a better build for elementalists atm. Would you rather I twiddle my staff, lay on my back, and give you free badges? I mean, damn, I used to be a staff ele, but after playing d/d, I don’t wanna go back.

DD ele is just FoTM at the moment

I fought a staff based tank elementalist on SoR that was harder to defeat, counter and pin down than any DD ele. He was just a league above, and not using the cookie cutter spec.

That’s not so say DD ele’s aren’t ridiculously annoying if you don’t know when to dodge or evade the only attacks they have that actually hurt, or you face a team of 3 or more. ^^

Folks tend to go with whatever is perceived as the ‘best’, or most powerful. Hence why you see a lot of thieves and mesmers in WvW (because stealth is a very powerful mechanic in WvW, as are portals), and now DD ele’s. On the other hand, you see fewer engineers, necromancers and rangers in WvW because they (currently) do not offer the versatility, utility or advantages that those 3 prior classes do. It doesn’t mean they’re not viable – people just tend to gravitate towards whatever grants them the greatest advantage, or least frustration. Playing a ranger can be very frustrating

~Nyari Cil, Queen of EB

appledainty.8127:

Hello! I just wanted to make some small requests of my fellow players.

If you are from CD you probably think of me as the mad red pirate that toils endlessly alongside a dolyak in an endless quest to upgrade All The Things.

If you are from FA or TC you probably think of me as that squishy blue ranger toiling endlessly alongside a dolyak in a hopeless quest to upgrade All The Things you are just going to take anyway.

My fellow CD players, I would ask that if you should see me walking alone beside a slowly plodding dolyak, that you please toot your horn or otherwise put a speed burst on as you pass to assist my efforts. It is for the good of the server!

And ye nemesis of TC and FA, I ask that if you should see me toiling all alone with a dolyak, that you wave at me before you stake me to the ground.

Love,
Team Dolyak & Fluffyhooves (pictured below)

That was the best thing I have seen in these threads in a long time <3

~Nyari Cil

Servers ally, temporarily, when and where it makes sense to. The portion of your server that actually pays attention and knows about said alliance will always be less than the portion that is just playing and doing their own thing. Sometimes this second portion will be aiding those who are working together, but they won’t be doing so out of any master plan – they’ll be doing it because that’s what they feel like doing at the time ^^

There are plenty of WvW players who simply enter the map to kill people and flip things. Period. They don’t care who, and even if you tell them not to attack something, they’ll attack it anyway.

There are people like Jakob who didn’t even know about temporary alliances and just do their own thing. There are ‘lots’ of people like this. On every server. Just because a portion of a server decides to work with another portion of a server to achieved a desired outcome doesn’t mean both servers as a whole are combining to field their mighty dual wrath 24/7.

All this silliness aside, there was some strong, strategic play by CD and FA in TCBL last night. Well done. I’d comment more, but I don’t play in the BL’s and what information I had was relayed to me, so it’s not my place.

As far as EB goes, we dropped to outmanned around midnight Pacific, although our numbers had dwindled significantly even before that. When it takes you 10min to get 8 people to portal bomb trebs, you know the writing is on the wall in terms of holding gains beyond your 3rd of the map

TC also placed far too much siege inside SM, which siege capped us, meaning I couldn’t even defend effectively against some tower attempts in the early morning. Thankkittenlly, CD solved that problem when they took SM with their golems. I am indebted to you :p. Really. I hate the siege cap

~Nyari Cil, Queen of EB.

EDIT – for some reason the word thankf.u.l.l.y. is changed by the filter. This amuses me ^^

Killerlitter and Hugable:

Thank you for your posts! It is ‘great’ to see perspectives on EB from the other side of the fence. You guys kept us busy for hours on end. The 14 golems in the morning were something we had to respond ‘very’ swiftly to, and the cats on the eastern wall by EsF was another such situation.

And yes, Hugable, we had someone following you around. EsF is sneaky Needs to be watched ^^

~Nyari Cil, Queen of EB

As has been pointed out in prior match threads, you will never see FA/YB/CD unless there is a precipitous shift in the numbers of the servers of IoJ or TC.

This is because, should TC manage to rise to 6th, that would mean IoJ drops to 7th – and I suspect all in tier 3 would find IoJ an even more dominant opponent than TC.

Additionally, YB is currently involved in what looks like a decent match with Ehmry Bay and Maguuma, with a differential loss of -50.

Ergo, just as YB/FA/TC spent some time together, you can now expect TC/FA/CD for a few weeks, short of calamity.

The upside for FA and CD is that TC’s numbers will take a larger hit than your own during the new event which starts at the same time as next week’s match. All our servers will be playing at a lower capacity. And then Xmas kicks in, and holidays, and so forth. Dec 14th – Jan 3rd will offer 3 weeks of relative unpredictability. Those weeks may not be indicative of the strength or skill of any of our servers, but outside forces will result in WvW fluctuations.

Let’s not bring this up GODS/BLNT again. It chewed up 4 pages in the last thread. :p

Instead, ‘talk’ to the BLNT folks in game, in whispers, politely. ‘Most’ people ‘want’ to do right by their server, and will listen to advice and try to improve. Some will not. If they don’t, you can rest assured that the regulars on any map will recognise their failings and the folks in question will slowly learn that nobody is listening to them anyway beyond their own guild/friends.

Every server has a plethora of icon commanders who are average at best. Then they have a few that are terrible, and a few that are very good. The regulars on any map are well aware of which icons fit into which categories.

Calling out one guild, or one individual from said guild, when ‘most’ guilds and ‘most’ individuals have massive room for improvement is divisive rather than helpful.

‘Everyone’ can improve. What I know now, compared to what I knew 3 months ago? Night and day!

I wholeheartedly agree that icons who don’t communicate shouldn’t turn the icon on in the first place. Nor should there every be giant groups of 4 or 5 icons running around together. Or 10 on a map at once. Nor should anyone be running around with their icon on 24/7. The best way to combat that behaviour is to point it out in game, politely, and discreetly. Should people choose not to heed advice (and not all advice is necessarily sound), as I mentioned above, it doesn’t take long for the regular WvW community to notice and certain individuals to gain less than stellar reputations.

Tigger, and the rest of the BLNT folks (I only named you, Tigger, because yours is the only name I remember offhand) – you’re welcome to chat with me any time in game in so far as improving your strategies in EB. I’ve chatted in whispers with a few of your non icon folk, and I appreciate those of you who hang around Golanta etc and defend.

~Nyari Cil, Queen of EB

Every server, in every match, has someone (or various someones) who will come into the match thread and post accusations of cheating, or whine about 2v1, or complain about zergs. So on, and so on, and so on. Every server.

Every server then has someone (or someones) who will respond to said post in a way which refutes said claims while at the same time purporting that the original poster is indicative of all players on said server, while simultaneously claiming their own server to be above such things, while insulting the original poster in a passive aggressive manner.

The solution is to avoid responding to useless posts. There’s no point. Let your response be found in game, where your presence is actually useful.

Those of us who read these threads for actual insight on the goings on of the match, and ‘genuine’ praise for our opponents, or ‘honest’ criticism of our own tactics will thank you for the sudden lack of pointless blather between posts of substance ^^

There are times I wish ‘I’ was part of FA, part of PRO or ULTD. Because they are ‘good’ guilds with ‘good’ tactics and I appreciate what they bring to FA’s table. ESF, over on CD, are capable of being sneaky and clever, and are a brilliant asset to their server.

We all have bad players. We all have whiners. We all have smart players. We all have people who will repair walls despite being told not to repeatedly. >.> Judging any server by the actions of a few, whether in game, or via childish posts on forums does a massive injustice to the rest of that server.

Now, back to work :p

~This message brought to you by Nyari Cil, the one and only Queen of the Eternal Battlegrounds, and rightful heiress to Quentin Lake.

This is all silly. When you’re 1st, you focus on keeping 2nd below you. When you’re 2nd, you focus on climbing to first, ‘or’ keeping 3rd below you. When you’re 3rd, you focus on climbing to 2nd, and following the lead of 2nd when they wail on 1st. Just as 2nd should aid 3rd when they see them attacking 1st.

The fact of the matter is that no server, when in 2nd, wants to be overtaken and end up in 3rd. Regardless of how much 2nd wants 1st, 2nd will ‘always’ turn on 3rd when 3rd has the potential to become 2nd.

Some good fun in EB this morning during CD’s dominant period. With FA wiped off the map CD tried a variety of strategies to take SM and TC’s territory, having flipped Klovan some time overnight before I logged in. The golem rushes on SM were exciting, and I commend CD for trying to use OL to treb SM too, having stolen it away from FA.

I also liked your treb placement at Durios. I found them ^^, but that was a new, interesting spot for me to counter.

~Nyari Cil, Queen of EB

It all comes down to score. Like Fittle says, FA were within 1K of overtaking CD. Would I, if TC were in 2nd, want the 3rd placed server to surpass my score? Nope! I’d shift my focus to making sure they stayed several K below TC.

And that’s what has happened. Rather decisively. But that’s the strength of having your ‘strong’ period in an entirely different timezone to the other 2 servers involved in the match

~Nyari Cil, Queen of EB

Maniac.5163:

SoR and Blackgate are no joke – TC and FA already know this well.

Oh, those days where you log in and find every single keep and tower on the map fully upgraded…it’s just that all of them belong to SoR or BG

The FA/CD combination is giving me a lot more to do, defense wise, in EB than the past 3 weeks have dished up. The ratio of tower loss for TC (1 so far, lost during CD’s AM primetime period due to poor play on our part rather than CD’s number advantage) as compared to FA and CD is still drastically in TC’s favour, but the fact that I’m getting the chance to repeatedly point out how to counter those pushes to those in EB during those situations is invaluable.

Frustrating, when only a % of those online will listen and learn, but invaluable.

I’m sure FA, like TC, has improved as a server since our spanking at the hands of BG. That constant (or in BG’s case overwhelming) pressure forces you to.

~Nyari Cil, Queen of EB.

FA and CD focusing TC is ‘exactly’ what they should be doing, until such time as it becomes evident that TC has secured the win. And both servers are, at times, doing just that in EB. You can never hope to control your random folks on any map, however, and any supposed formal alliance is ever tenuous and fated to fall apart with much hand wringing. On the other ‘hand’, 2 servers taking the opportunity, where possible, to jointly smack the points leader is sound strategy.

~Nyari Cil, Queen of EB

Everyone has different perceptions of a server. All servers are accused of fielding ‘50 man’ zergs. Rarely is this the case :p

CD’s ‘primetime’ is Oceanic, which means CD tends to field more numbers than their opponents can deal with in the US AM period. This will lead to perceptions of mindless zerg. Quite often, in EB, CD doesn’t seem to know what to do once the numbers game fails to result in a tower cap. But CD has as many skilled players as other servers do in addition to their Oceanic numbers.

The flipside of this is that TC fields more numbers than FA and CD during the afternoon period of a day and into the early evening. TC and FA even out CD’s oceanic dominance in other time periods, and vice versa. Those time period shifts, in terms of numbers, will always lead to skewed perceptions

~Nyari Cil, Queen of EB!

Hurray we lost SM! ^^

This post may or may not have been brought into being by a severe lack of sleep.

~Nyari Cil.

EB has been interesting. Pretty much what I expected.

Didn’t lose Golanta for 8 hours. Lost Rogues three times in 8 hours. Haven’t lost a tower.

There was some fun, opportunistic double teaming from FA and CD at one point late in the evening, with all 4 of our towers under assault. Aldon reached 40%, but it was never really in trouble with 700 supply banked up. It was exciting, though, to defend all four towers at once from two servers. A nice change.

CD’s oceanic surge is still in effect as I write this, but their numbers haven’t really made any sort of headway in EB. We’ve held SM since around 5 hours after reset along with everything else. In contrast, CD and FA have lost towers at some point, and before they were outmanned (which makes any tower you take much less an achievement :p)

I expect us to lose SM at some point today. I expect us to lose towers in the AM period when I and other regular folk who read the map and know where to place siege are asleep, and the number game catches up with you.

The lagfest for the first 5 hours of the match as every man and his dog wandered by SM wasn’t much fun, however. >.>

All in all it’s been a fun night, and it’s settled a few questions I had.

Oh, and well done ESF on the SM east wall cats. Terrible play by us not to have 1 person at SM noticing that. Only real surprise of the night ^^

~Nyari Cil, Queen of EB

One might suggest that in the new match thread for CD/FA/TC tomorrow, all this animosity be forgotten, at least in so far as these threads go.

It’s really not that hard to be the one to avoid instigating drama by keeping needling language out of your post, nor is it difficult to say think ‘hmm, I don’t agree with that, but I’m secure enough in myself, my guild and my server to utterly ignore it’.

~Nyari Cil, Queen of EB

Kerithlan.1659:

Fel.8195:

Kerithlan.1659:

Fel.8195:

They do not go through some complex thought process that “Hmm, FA has a better shot a first place, so we better attack their tower on the other side of the map, and leave the Yak’s tower by our keep, alone.” It just doesn’t happen. It is not reality.

Erm, actually… that’s exactly what we were doing. Just today, even. Not that scenario, but that sort of forward-planning. It ended when one server got too greedy, so we had to push them a bit.

Frankly if servers aren’t thinking about where they’re going to be next week or who their most strategic target is long-term then they’re not really going to move anywhere but down.

If that Yak tower in your scenario was posing an immediate threat to our keep then obviously we’d take it and fortify it. However if it was just sitting there and it was strategically advantageous for us to leave it alone for an hour or two then we’d do exactly that. Obviously we’d monitor it, but we’d do exactly that.

That’s how wargaming works.

I am not trying to be insulting here, but if you’re ignoring an undefended tower next to your keep, because of the scoreboard, that is bad strategy.

WvW is simple: Get points for your server.

If you’re ignoring a tower, you’re giving up those points for that hour or two… all because of some overall strategy based on the scoreboard. If you want the scoreboard to go your way, you need to focus on your corner of the map first. If you need to hit supply camps outside of it to draw the enemy forces away… do it… but do not overextend to some random point just because of who holds it.

Adopt that simple strategy on every map, and you’ll do much better. It may seem simplistic, but it is reality.

If you are staring at the leaderboard and scoreboard, and trying to figure out which server to focus on? While you’re focusing on that one server, the other two are going to be attacking whoever is the easiest target. So if you’re completely ignoring one opponent on a map, of course they’re going to beat you. It is just poor strategy. You cannot focus one server in this game and hope to win.

Ironically, TC does not worry about who they’re facing next week. We do not tunnel vision one enemy based on the scoreboard. And we’re not moving down.

I just get tired of hearing about alliances or people focusing specific servers. For 99% of the people out there, it does not happen. There is no ultimate strategy that every guild on each server follows. People go out there, and the kill the enemy.

Except that we do in fact do this. All of the time. If Anzalia Pass isn’t a threat to Stonemist Castle right just now, then we’re not going to do anything more than maybe treb it a little. If Blue is giving us problems then we’re going to let Anzalia stew for a bit while we jump on Durios or Quentin instead.

You soften targets up for later while taking what’s important now. That’s sort of the point of long-term planning. You know, to plan long term.

We attack who attacks us first, yes, but we don’t attack blindly and mindlessly. THAT’S bad strategy. There is a difference between choosing an opponent and giving up points. The two are separate things. We can choose our opponent and crush them both too. We just need to ensure that we crush one a little bit more than the other in that case.

You are acting as though all I care about is the scoreboard, and you would be wrong for assuming so. You are assuming that I would rather attack a random target in bumblekitten nowhere for no reason other than its current color, and you would also be wrong. Controlling the map 100% of the time 24/7 is an unreasonable goal — it is tactically and strategically advantageous to allow the enemy to retain objectives sometimes. Don’t be so black and white.

That was a long quote >.>

I think people tend to forget that the different maps have different regular icons and players and therefore utilise different playstyles.

Provided certain people are online, EB works on Kerithlan’s philosophy, which is my philosophy, which is the philosophy slowly developed over several months by the regular players.

The BL’s probably run on a different philosophy. I wouldn’t know, I don’t play there. But ‘take and hold’ is a far more viable strategy in the BL’s than it is in EB. Most of your points gains come from the BL’s, whereas outside of drastic population imbalance, holding anything in EB for more than an hour beyond your home territory and SM is fairly unlikely. EB is more about weakening your opponents while remaining strong yourself, so that ‘you’ can dictate the ebb and flow of battle.

~Nyari Cil, Queen of EB.

Vanity.2506:

Meta-gaming, 2v1, and now cheating? Really.

I’m at a loss as to why all of a sudden we’re doing all these things I’ve never heard of us doing before we started this match-up 3 weeks ago.

When people are placed in what they perceive as an unfair, unenviable or unenjoyable position (such as the notion of not being able to compete with the top server in your tier for a few weeks), it’s human nature that you begin to find fault with those you feel inhibit your ability to have fun or succeed.

Thus come the accusations of cheating, exploiting, unsportsmanlike behaviour, 2v1 (despite all servers in every match up doing this for both strategic and opportunistic reasons), and then the excuses such as ‘they zerg too much’, ‘they spend too much on siege,’ ’it’s PvDoor,’ ‘we don’t have night coverage’ and so on.

Sometimes, the excuses we make to appease our disgruntlement come from grains of truth (there was nothing FA or TC could do against the sudden population explosion and might of Blackgate, in terms of being ‘competitive’ in that match up).

Most of the time, it’s just a way for folks to vent their frustration, with little validity to their claims. It’s not just FA that complains. ‘Every’ server has people who will complain in chat and on these forums when things aren’t going the way they wish them to be. One can look at the match thread for TC/SoR or TC/FA/BG to see folks from TC bemoaning the state of affairs.

The fact of the matter is that populations have now stabilised, and while mass transfers can still happen, thus resulting in another sudden rise and fall (ala HoD/ET and SoR/BG/SoS), that is the ‘only’ thing that would result in the tiers drastically changing.

FA, CD, YB and TC (and likely IoJ) can expect to bounce around between the top of tier 4, tier 3, and the bottom of tier 2 for some time to come. If folks really do tire of such matches (and to be honest, I’ve enjoyed the last 4 weeks far more than the weeks where TC has ‘easily’ run away with the match), then the best thing for them to do is take a break, relax, and recharge, because we’re all going to be seeing a lot of each other in the future.

~Nyari Cil, Queen of EB

Unless IoJ suffers a total collapse in the tier above (and they played exceptionally well last week), TC will remain in 7th position, at the top of tier 3. There are 40 differential points between us, and to breach that gap TC would have to over perform and IoJ under perform. IoJ typically makes the bulk of their points during the week, as opposed to the weekend where their competition in tier 2 fields higher numbers.

Provided YB remains close to or ahead of FA’s points total, their differential will rise. It already has. They’re in no danger of dropping unless FA pulls far ahead of them.

However, FA is already losing 20 differential, and CD has gained 26. That puts those two servers ‘right next’ to each in terms of points ranking. CD will gain more points as the week goes on. Therefore, FA may move down to the top of tier 4 should their final score for this week fail to reflect their current ranking when compared to TC and YB (which is how the system works).

I’m not saying it’s impossible that TC won’t move up, nor that it’s set in stone that FA will move down, because it’s still slightly too early to call. But I wouldn’t be expecting anything drastically different next week. Perhaps the week after.

In regards to defense (in EB) – it’s critical. If, as a server, you don’t have people willing to stay back and defend camps, watch the map, know ‘exactly’ where to place siege for the best defensive advantage, respond swiftly to calls and know when to cut your losses on an assault in order to save a tower back ‘home’, you are never going to rise beyond a certain point.

There’s a reason TC doesn’t lose Golanta for 8 hours straight on reset night. Loses Rogues once in the same time period. Has lost no towers in EB up to the point where I logged tonight. That’s because, slowly (very slowly) the ethos of those who regularly play in EB has evolved to the point where large numbers of players realise the ‘value’ of defense, and take ‘pride’ in being able to ward off all comers.

In tier 2, we’d be forced to defend a whole lot more than we are in tier 3. Should we reach the stage where we move to 6th position for a week, it will be interesting to see the results. While neither FA, YB or TC belong in tier 2, TC is indeed slightly too strong for tier 3 due to population coverage and a willingness to defend (in EB) that other servers lack. I can’t speak for the BL’s

And please don’t think I’m saying ‘woo, TC is the best, everyone else sucks!’ I’m well aware of TC’s many (many) failings – we make many mistakes, and still have plenty to learn. I make mistakes myself.

But we have improved. 2 months ago I could get 5 people to reliably defend a camp. Now I can have most of EB show up when need be, while having a constant defensive presence at Golanta, and to a lesser extent Rogues. And it’s not just me, it’s all of the regular EB folk that feel the same way I do and enjoy squashing attempts to take our property.

I play to make ‘those’ people proud of me, and what I can achieve, as much as I play to try and help and improve my server.

~Nyari Cil, Queen of EB.

Bedinar.1754:

@ Nyari Cil. I regret to inform you that the HNB List has been updated. (Heads Needing to be Beat). You were moved down to a lesser priority. This is not to say your head is not in need of a good beating. We at the HNB Association will happily beat your head at a later time, but for now another matter has arisen which requires our more immediate attention.

Made me laugh ^^

Arcadio.6875:

Anyone on TC worrying about GODS transferring should understand that we are going to restructure our guild. It will no longer be a gigantic guild that anyone can join. It will instead focus on having fewer more loyal members. We are not causing any queues seeing as how only 10 people transferred so far, lol. We are not bringing hundreds of people.

Also, GODS are not transferring because TC is winning. Any GODS members saying that was not there for the long discussion we had.

So long as the folks that transfer do so understanding that both EB and TCBL already have decent structures in place at most times of the day, I’m sure they’ll be welcome. It’s not that TC dislikes the idea of more dedicated WvW’s (indeed, we require them), but more likely that folks are leery of a large guild transferring and expecting to dictate actions moving forward.

Also, if the numbers transferring are small (as compared to the numbers of GODS folk I’ve seen zooming around the map in EB), it’s unlikely to cause any major imbalance to either TC or FA.

I’ve mentioned in this thread in prior posts strategic errors I’ve seen from the GODS folk, and if you intend to be in EB frequently, I look forward to working with you all and improving your strategic game (just as you will improve our WvW capacity). There are some clever GODS players I’ve come to recognise from various skirmishes at Golanta – if any of those players do transfer, you’ll be a great asset.

I do feel for FA, though. FA is fortunate in that it has a number of dedicated WvW guilds (Pro, Ultd, UK, PTX to name a few), and I sincerely hope the loss of ‘however’ many people from GODS doesn’t diminish your desire to beat me over the head with a stick in EB. ^^

Good luck to both YB and FA for the reset tomorrow – looking forward to another week of seeing what you throw at us.

~Nyari Cil, Queen of EB.

Oh, yes. I don’t disagree that quite often whoever is in first place can dictate who comes second. Once whoever is in first gains enough of a lead (25K or so) it is very rarely recovered, and whichever team is in 3rd place going into the match (red) has more to gain by taking on whoever is 2nd (blue) in terms of differential gain.

However, it’s not my intention to dictate who ends up 2nd/3rd when ’I’m’ co-ordinating EB – I’m more interested in hitting whoever is TC’s closest competition, or shows the most aggression towards us. I have no personal preference as to which of YB and FA take 2nd and 3rd, though I am enjoying the closeness of the race between you two. I’m hoping both servers flip back and forth between 2nd and 3rd over the last few days of the match, as there really is something to gain or lose for both in terms of position ranking.

While they’re likely outmanned, YB have kept quiet for the past 3 hours in EB, while FA came over and tried to hit Klovan. This resulted in TC sweeping out and taking Langor, my beloved Quentin Lake and Durios. Kudos to FA on their Bravost defense – I’m more of a defensive minded person than offensive (I rarely leave TC’s 3rd of the map in EB), and I made a few mistakes there, which FA rightly capitalised upon.

The result of that attempt on Klovan was FA ending up as the focus of TC’s early morning, which is unfortunate for them, but great for YB, who left us alone whether by virtue of being outmanned, or active, clever strategy.

I want to put a question out there for all severs, no bias just a questions.
How would you feel if we had this same match up next week?
Personal opinions and server based.

Well, it ‘will’ be the same match up next week, with the only point of contention being whether YB can sneak past FA for 2nd place and secure 8th position in the overall rankings based on differential gain (currently 7 behind FA).

I enjoy facing both servers. While I wouldn’t say I’ve been taxed defensively (I don’t count SM as part of my ‘jurisdiction’), I’ve had a chance to venture out from beyond my comfort zone to run some small assaults against both servers, and you’ve taught me a few things. There are a couple of people on FA I greatly admire for their level-headed posts in these match threads (they know who they are), and both FA and YB make holding SM a challenge (as it should be), and one which we fail quite a bit at, due to disorganisation.

Both servers have given me the chance to try a few new defensive strats, and while TC has the population advantage, it’s not ‘utterly’ overwhelming as in some matches we’ve faced (FA/BG/TC >.>), and both servers can and do outplay TC when they’re running at full capacity. Just as TC can outplay them.

It’s a good match up. If I played on YB or FA I’d think the same thing. And I’d be trying my hardest to implement improved strategies based on what I’d learned from our last 2 matches.

~Nyari Cil, Queen of EB!

Something for the strategic minds of FA to consider:

In EB, FA and TC spent roughly 3 hours beating up on YB. The Yakkies lost their keep and had nothing left on the map. Neither TC or FA sent anyone into the other’s territory other than your expected <5man supply cap teams, most of which failed and were wiped.

Then GODS started hitting TC’s supply camps in numbers of around 15-20, and made a weak attempt at Aldon. When a large group of people starts repeatedly hitting your camps, trying to hold them, or makes a play at towers, that signals a shift in behaviour.

The end result is that I asked our folks to forget about YB and go take FA’s towers. As much as people deride playing for second, FA has the potential to drop a rank to 9th this week, and had the folk from GODS not begun rushing over into TC territory in numbers, we had no interest in hitting FA, as YB remain in 2nd place and are currently the strategic priority for TC.

When we pulled off YB, they regained their 3rd of the map. The net result is that YB gains points, FA loses points/towers, and FA ends up in a worse position than they were before they started attempting to raid TC’s territory.

I don’t expect this post to make much of a difference, really ^^, but if anyone on FA reads this and plays/commands on EB (especially from GODS), perhaps it’s something to consider.

It ‘is’ nice to see red back on the map, though.

~Nyari Cil, Queen of EB

Arkard.3970:

Was a little bored and made this just for humor’s sake- no offense intended, hence the satirical names and obvious stereotypes.

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At the Fort Aspenwood Citadel, Fort Aspenwood Borderlands-

UnNerfable the Enormous, warrior among warriors, glowered in the dimly lit confines of the meeting room of the Council of Overplayed and Abused Classes. He had called this meeting hastily after the affront of the Tarnished Coast and Yak’s Bend heathens refusing to kneel before the might of his massive army’s Black Citadel forged steel boots.

“You all know why I called you here tonight…” UnNerfable growled.

“Oh I know, you just missed me didn’t you?” Fotm, the elementalist winked as she fiddled with her pair of twin daggers while grinning seductively.

“Silence wench! Cease your siren’s call. We all know that despite your ample bosom and proportional lack of clothing that there are no women in this realm!” UnNerfable snapped as he banged his gauntlet fist on the council table.

“Milord, clearly this meeting pertains to the failures of our offensives and the recent invasion of our homela…” squeaked Neglected the Engineer as he cautiously raised his Asuran head over the tabletop.

“Invasion my kitten, Neglected!” UnNerfable interrupted. “We all know that we are the superior force. Our combined omnipotent powers are only being thwarted by the combined secret alliance of the heretics worshipping the evil demon Golem god and the mechanical abomination Bender. By the six gods, even their deities are similar!”

“But my lord, clearly our wooden fortifications and lack of defenders are insufficient! They would be prime targets for both forces regardless of alliance…” Neglected countered.

“That’s hogwash, pipsqueak. Nothing gets through my perma stealth cheese.” Scapegoat of the Forums, the Master Thief interjected.

“Kitten off, Neglected.” Portals the mesmer hastily added. “My portals make such offenses easy to counter anyhow. By Balthazar ‘s hounds, just shut that pint sized mouth of yours. We all know you don’t belong here and just got added that night UnNerfable got wasted after getting rejected for the fift…”

“WE AGREED WE WOULDN’T BRING THAT UP AGAIN!” UnNerfable roared.

“Yes, yes, anyway…” Portals said after sighing heavily. “…Can we all agree that this isn’t the fault of our massive combined army of awesomeness and just a conspiracy against us?”

“I’m telling you, there’s no alliance!” Neglected squealed once again.

“Kitten it Neglected, I’m tired of your insolence. Smashy? Slashy? Take the runt outside for a hammer beating and greatsword slashing by our heavy armor classes.” UnNerfable hissed.

“Milord, my punishment could properly be done by just one…”

“KITTEN IT NEGLECTED! THAT’S NOT OUR WAY! Why do with a few what we can do with a kitten ton!? You just don’t get it.” UnNerfable roared.

“Milord, one of my scouts has just informed me of something that requires the council’s attention…” Scapegoat of the Fourms said as silently rematerialized next to UnNerfable.

“GUH, I wish you would cut that out. What’s so important?”

5 Minutes Later, The Spiritholme Supply Camp, Fort Aspenwood Borderlands-

“What in the name of Grenth’s genitals is this?” UnNerfable shrieked as he paced over the bodies of villagers and supply dolyak body parts. “There was nearly 250 barrels worth of supply here! This is a stone’s throw away from our citadel! How could this have happened!? Also, what is the meaning of this phallic shaped object!?”

“Milord, the sentries have stated that defense is boring and nonprofitable, and I believe that’s a flame ram, something the enemy places to waste our supply and obscure the vision of our spie…” a bruised and battered Neglected explained before being backhanded by UnNerfable’s iron fist.

“Flame ram!? Flame ram my kitten! This is clearly trying to overcompensate for something!”

It was then that UnNerfable noticed the gathered council forces exchanging glances between each other and his greatsword, Twilight.

“What!?” UnNerfable growled.

I laughed. Great stuff. Well done ^^

~Nyari Cil, Queen of EB.

Erinshaw.8035:

As 3 servers we have a lot to learn. We have times when all 3 lands are barren and in my lowly opinion we do not have 24 hour coverage that is necessary for t1/t2. May our battles continue. May we all have fun. May we all get the points were we think it is most profitable. Let us hope for development in WVW that makes defense as enjoyable as all out attack but to defend my home is all the reward I need.

Good luck all and may the points stay close

You are entirely correct, and that was a great post.

Meaning there is no reward most times for many hours whatsoever. No gold, no karma, no xp, not even any fun.

While there may be no gold, the rest is highly subjective. I can tell you without a shred of doubt that the most fun I have had in EB recently is defending Golanta against CD, and now FA. Every time either server fails to take it, I am enjoying myself immensely. I don’t care if I have to run back 4 times and die each time to keep it – I love defending, and I love denying supply camp caps.

And there are a lot of folks in EB on TC who feel the same (although perhaps not as much as me ^^). It’s a point of pride every time a supply cap attempt fails.

Defense brings with it its own rewards, which admittedly aren’t as lucrative as zerging about – but they’re just as enjoyable, and very important.

~Nyari Cil, Queen of EB

Post golemgate :p, the last 2 hours or so in EB have actually been productive. I was watching FA and YB’s back and forth at SM and Durios, then I was at QL trying to hold on to that for an hour or so.

Good defense from FA once your numbers picked up a little. We were close to getting Langor, but not quite close enough once YB clinched Bravost. Not quite organised enough.

Also some nice co-ordination and teamwork from TC folks this early morning.

The wipefest on the ramp to QL was entertaining, and I hope FA folks enjoyed wiping most of TC there on their second attempt to retake their property. We had fun. I hope you did

~Nyari Cil, Queen of EB

Subtle.4596:

Sooo.. Umm.. about those 15 golems you just ran into the oil on south SM. How did that work out for you?

About as well as expected. >.>

It’s not so much that ‘we’ don’t know what to do with golems as certain folks don’t know what to do with them, or how to use them, and that they’re currently used more as a ‘bit of fun’ rather than a strategic tool. They deserved to be destroyed in the manner they were.

I’d go into detail, but it wasn’t my play at all, and things have already been said.

~Nyari Cil, Queen of EB.

Let’s not derail the thread within the first few hours :p. ULTD are good folks, and this is coming from someone from TC.

I hope everyone is having fun on reset night. I’ve had other things to occupy me over thanksgiving weekend, but I expect to be around on Sat night. Looking forward to it! Make me proud, TC EBers!

~Nyari Cil, Queen of EB

The wonders of perspective.

I’m not going to argue one way or the other!

Keep having fun, folks!

~Nyari Cil, Queen

Xavi.6591:

I’m not sure what it was like for FA and TC players last night during the assault on SM in EB, but Yaks players had considerable lag, taking 4-6 seconds for skills/abilities to function and many times some abilities wouldn’t work at all.

This made fighting FA and TC players very difficult.

We had the same problems, Xavi. Whenever 3 servers all converge on SM at once, the same lag issue appears. When you can’t reliably heal yourself, or shoot at the siege weapons (or shoot ‘from’ the siege weapons) it all becomes a little frustrating.

Despite that, the long, long siege was still enjoyable.

~Nyari Cil

The FA people I play with, would never, NEVER, help another server by killing enemy siege attacking their keep/tower/whatever, nor would we help protect it while it upgraded. Are you all honestly justifying this idea? Did you even read what the person said?

That, then, is one of the things FA should look to improve. I doubt it’s the case, however. I’m sure you have some strong, strategic minds over there, because I’ve seen some clever plays. Succeeding at WvW requires knowing when you cut your losses, when to support one of your rivals, or when to strike at them. In this case, preventing FA from taking SM was a sound strategic option to ensure TC remained in a strong position in EB, and to a lesser extent overall in the points ranking

And Vagrant, I was there throughout the SM siege you’re referring to and the subsequent defense. Your claims are pure nonsense.

I wouldn’t have bothered posting it if it wasn’t the truth. You can take a look at the history of my posts, if you care to. I’m very honest about what goes on in EB, even pointing our the flaws of my own server. And like I said, YB didn’t take SM because we just let them – FA and YB outplayed us (FA and the south wall that nobody checks, despite it being used 6 times now ^^, and YB trebbing from the north at the same time). We merely focused on keeping FA out after a time.

Anyone who was on last night with me would have seen that in team chat, and then later on when we ballista’d your trebs and some folks randomly built cats at that same south wall, I asked them to leave the wall alone and follow our icon commander – which is why YB later came out to find 2 ballistas and 2 cats completely abandoned there. We also had a treb that I asked people to cease using.

SM is nice. It’s not something you need to have and hold, or take back straight away all the time. We wanted YB to have it because we knew FA would focus on it while we went and flipped both servers’ towers. Which is exactly what we did. It’s strategic, and it’s clever, and it worked.

~Nyari Cil, Queen of EB!

justice.3256:

fivekiller.1432:

freess.6820:

Epic 3-way fight at eb sm. that took long. YB in the end got it.

second one of those today i was a part of inside smc.

good fighting all.

Indeed. I am curious as to how exactly we took that? We had seemingly less people than both servers and yet pushed TC out of the lord room and FA didn’t even bother to fight it out after that. We even split our forces between the keep room doorway and then pursuing FA folks. Also FA, the portal bombs are getting old, and predictable. Find a new trick.

We (those of us leading) didn’t want FA to have SM. When it became clear that the position was untenable, focusing FA to prevent them from taking it while YB moved in from the north allowed you folks to get the cap.

It’s the same reason I /pointed 10 times from the south wall to a few YB 5min later, to make sure you all saw FA’s cats and wiped them – we were on our way to do it for you had you not paid attention.

And if you saw a lone female TC on the walls of outer SM when FA burst through again – once more, that was me reporting on the situation to make sure FA wouldn’t take SM. Were they ever in a position to do so, we would have wiped them for you. We didn’t need to, because YB put up some great defense, and eventually your wall upgrade kicked in.

Also, I’m not saying we’re the sole reason you took and held SM. I’m just saying we ‘wanted’ you to have it, and keep it, and were working to ensure that after you claimed it from us. Why? Because FA is much closer in points value, and we don’t want them getting any more than they already have

Great night, great fights. Well done to all servers. FA, one day the people who sit at SM all the time are going to learn to check that southern wall. One day. I was the engineer who kept running up to solo your catapults (sloooowly) and repair the walls. Good times.

Some strong leadership and good organisation tonight on TC’s part in EB – well done to all involved.

~Nyari Cil, Queen.

Maniac.5163:

I’m just gonna say it – just my opinion so feel free to flame back.
FA has made some terrible strat decisions in the last two days, we are lacking communication and our supply camp control blows.
We have a lot of room for improvement in all timezones.

All the servers in tier 3 have room for massive improvements, and that’s why we’re tier 3, and have stabilised there. We have some level of organisation when certain people and certain guilds are online, but we run around like chickens with our heads cut off when those voices of reason and direction are not present. We run around like chickens even when they are, a lot of the time.

Too often in these threads we tend only to congratulate ourselves, or offer dubious compliments (I really enjoyed the fight at so and so, thanks for all the free badges! ) instead of admitting our faults and failures. FA, YB, TC, none of us are WvW elites.

In EB, TC does very, very well at camp defense when certain folks are around, but at other times we will let a fully upgraded camp fall to 5 people. We’ll throw ourselves at SM for 6 hours when we should have been wiping yaks and hitting camps and making opportunistic attacks at towers. We’ll sit inside SM and turtle instead of AoEing trebs, or we’ll allow 1 treb at Durios to knock down a wall without countering it >.>

Only by admitting and recognising our failings can we hope to improve on them. So my respect to you for being willing to admit that. ^^

~Nyari Cil, Queen

It’s relatively certain that next week’s match will be a repeat of this week’s.

However, just like this week’s match failed to give an accurate representation of all servers due to the weekend event and new PvE content, the next match will be affected by the US Thanksgiving holiday – thus numbers will once again be down Fri-Sun in primetime, at least. The holiday won’t have any effect on those in Europe, Oceania etc.

I ‘know’ YB is a stronger server than I’ve seen in EB this week, because I saw what you folks were capable of in our match with CD. I know you’ve been sitting on numbers that either give you outmanned, or only slightly above it, as have we at TC. I’m hoping you get the chance to play to your full potential in the following match.

In regards to the Anzalia pic/accusations of cheating:

There was a mesmer in Anzalia. The mesmer used portal to get the thief (Chuk) up there. Then the mesmer left Anz and returned to Stonemist, as TC was about to walk in through Anz’s broken wall anyway. I was talking with him at the time. It’s not difficult to do

We all agree that people flying across the map, glitching themselves up walls, or doing 10K damage on auto attacks is cheating. Using mesmer portals is not cheating – it’s simply something a lot of people still don’t understand, and leap to conclusions about.

There’s enough silliness in these match threads between servers accusing other of various things without a server needing to begin vilifying their own team-mates without justification. Pointing fingers is childish and unnecessary.

In other news, it was an interesting night in EB. A lot of treb killing for all 3 servers, and some clever, organised defense from TC at Klovan/WC, and from FA at SM. YB, I’m sure you were up to things too, but I was mostly watching your efforts at SM willing you onwards

Nyari Cil, Queen

Well done, taking SM just now, FA (and Pro folks). We played terribly. I couldn’t get people to pay enough attention to run through Durios’ most holey wall and kill your trebs

That’s generally the way it goes with SM! Too many people turtling inside and fighting outside the walls instead of hitting the objectives that matter. ^^

To those who ‘did’ try to take out the trebs, thank you

~Nyari Cil, Queen

I wouldn’t say there are softer targets in EB. I’ve lost count of how many times folks from both YB and FA tried and failed to take Golanta over a 6 hour period tonight.

Targets might be softer after certain folks go to sleep, certainly, but in primetime, so long as I’m in EB, taking our camps, let alone a ‘tower’ requires rather a lot of effort.

~Nyari Cil, Queen of EB!

The Lost Shores event has an obvious impact on TC (just like the Halloween event did). No queue on Friday at 9pm PST (usually 2 hours), outmanned at 3pm PST Sat, and outmanned in the AM on Sat morning (doesn’t happen normally)

FA has a fair few more organised WvW guilds than TC does, and when you have those guilds in WvW despite events and holidays, it makes all the difference

For TC, expect our numbers to approach ‘normal’ again come Monday evening, after the event is finished.

That said, FA played a better offensive game Fri night in EB. I lacked reliable commanders to do much in the way of offense myself. We did hold Golanta for 5 and a half hours without loss, and lost Rogues once in that same time period. FA, when you took Klovan after we defended Golanta for 15-20min, I was annoyed. Good play by you, terrible play by us for not even having ‘1’ person sitting there to say ‘Hey, they’re building catapults by the wall.’

YB, I wish you folks would have begun trebbing SM a lot earlier in the night than you did…it would have applied more pressure to FA early on. We were waiting forever for you to start trebbing so we could assault from the south to help flip the castle.

I apologise for the icon commander who decided to take Anzalia ‘because there was nobody there’ while the rest of TC was focusing SM with you. Naturally you pulled off SM, and FA retained it. Foolish play by us, but not everyone understands tactics.

We lost everything in EB overnight after I logged at 6am. Not really too surprising, given the general level of disorganisation and lack of players.

Anyhow, we’ll see how the rest of the week progresses, especially once we move on from the weekend. And before we continue with the accusations of 2vs1…yep, in EB at least, whenever I’m there, we’ll be focusing FA so long as it’s evident you outnumber both TC and YB at most times of the day currently. I don’t believe or care about holding 2nd. All I care about is countering the points lead of the largest threat leading into Monday. And that’s FA ^^

~Nyari Cil, Queen