I’ve actually never had a larger proportion of players from a single guild rage at us, than xoxo.
It seems to follow the same trend as well. They join party, start whining saying we are overhyped or something like that. We then fight them with even numbers, they lose and then they bring 2-3 times the numbers.
It is quite entertaining.
I know, I know… We’re baddies. And carebears ( me).
I even remember losing to a mosquito. I hope he has a forum account, I would love to hear his story.
Hey, look at what I am replying to. The intent of my post was to demonstrate that what he said was incorrect, as we have never come across such a large proportion of a guild that has raged at us.
This isn’t a post where you reply in a manner that tries to make you look like an innocent victim in a pitiful attempt to solicit pity. This is a post where you reply with something along the lines of “Yes, sometimes some of our members get worked up about the game. It happens to everyone sometimes.” At that point, I say something along the lines of “Fair enough. We all sometimes put too much energy into a silly game.” This would cover your guild-members raging and then we could get along.
If you want to manipulate people by playing the victim card instead however, then it is your choice to do so.
Because your statement is a little biased. We hardly have 5 active members during prime time (east time for me). How is it possible for us to bring 2-3 times your numbers unless you’re soloing? And so far, I rarely see KoM soloing. So imho, you’re exagerating a bit. Hence my exagerated answer.
But of course, I can be wrong. It just rarely happens when I’m playing.
For the raging part, I don’t know. I’m not that kind of a player who need to join a party to rage after them. I just want to have fun before heading to bed. Lol, I don’t even spike solo’ers who lose agains’t me. I just /bow and move. I try to be as respectful as possible.
It’s just really annoying to read all these accusations this morning. But I can understand that people got annoyed by XOXO trolls. I think we deserve our reputation :s
I never claimed that they come back with 2-3 times the number of xoxo members. It’s generally other guilds that they call in for back-up.
You may be a nice person and not rage at people, but we have on multiple occasions had xoxo members join party after they died just to insult us. So if someone from xoxo is going to claim that the entire guild takes it easy, then I will call that out as being the lie that it is.
Ah you’re talking about me when I joined and wasn’t raging (also never died) and just said you guys are nothing more then gankers (you are – self admited, read a few pages back). To which you said we were afraid to 2v2 you on our kittenty warriors. To which we then fought you 2(us)v4(you and 2 pugs) and got both of you. Then you came back and this time it was 4(us and 2 pugs)v2(you) and you didn’t even try to fight just ran like little girls until varcona over extended then you jumped on him for the ele kd lolglass shatter burst gank .
I have NEVER out of the 100’s of times I’ve seen KOM, seen you stick around for a 5v5 3v3 or anything close to that, all you girls do is run to get an overextender you can 5v1 gank and call yourselves good. So be it, whatever makes you feel good, just don’t come here all high and mighty.
I really enjoy the run and waypoint strategy they use. If you want to talk about fair fights we had our 2v2 duel awhile back where we roflstomped along with 1v1 duels where Andromeda and myself both kitten on your mes and ele. Then the following day you join our group and claim that you won the duels and we called in a zerg to kill you. You are a little delusional.
At this point in time the only KoM member that has my respect is the asura thief he fights against bad odds all the time and makes a good show. I think I will start recording you ride the lightning and waypoint, will make a good montage.
Posting a horrible quality video of a fight I had earlier today for the uplevel engineer who fought alongside me. I sped it up since its a long fight and found the music to be hilarious so I left it as is.
Btw, I think you’re about one of only 2 GT I know of who don’t use them.
Yea, and he calls us kittenes too. In return, we sometimes drop food trays when he’s trying to loot so we can return the favor. He’s not playing favorites here or targeting XOXO or anything. He’s just that personally opposed to consumables.
Everyone has their opinions on what needs to be added/removed/nerfed/buffed for balance, that’s his.
I think that we can all agree the one thing in this game that needs a nerf is Andromeda
Yeah, so unfair using game mechanics everyone has access to. Who does that?
Yes, is is extremely unfair when guilds like SPCA, XOXO and PAXA run around with buffs. These guys run around in good groups filled with good players running good builds. These are the types of guys that do not have much issue in the vast majority of fair fights. I only stated that like a fact because they have some better players than me and I do alright. A large part of the point and fun in pretty much any game is in the challenge it provides and skill it requires; using buffs lowers both of those. What’s the fun in making it so good and close fights aren’t as close as they would have been? What skill does it take to nearly half conditions applied to you because you farmed some nodes or used the trading post?
It would be one thing if XOXO, SPCA and PAXA were the type of players that needed an extra edge, but they aren’t. Who cares if 98% of people in WvW use buffs? A lot of those people need an extra edge because they’re trash. I beat most people I fight anyway, but I should make the game less amusing by making all those fights easier? Every time I run into someone good I should take some of the fun away by making the fight easier? kitten that. Call buffs smart, fair or whatever. I’ll be the idiot that handicaps himself for better fights.
I’m probably not going to debate the subject beyond this post because I doubt any replies will be worth a response. I just hope I explained things better to some people.
I don’t use food to give me an edge I use it to allow me more freedom with my build. If I had to spec for condition removal it pigeon holes me and takes away all variety in the game. As it is now I know that all our mesmers in XOXO run completely different builds this would not be possible if we had to trait solely for condition removal.
Hey its that Cosa guild. I never see you guys in wvw.. but. Yet you seem so familiar. Hmmm
Funny cause we were in WvW when you got booted homeboy????
Also CoSA is 2 guilds (formerly 3) strong, made up of people like me who only WvW all the way down to people who never WvW, so I promise you we are in WvW to some extent. But I know cray will be cray, I mean y’all XyXy were the ones responsible for the legendary(pun)transfer, debacle…..Pretty sure if you don’t get that hint, there 3-4 pages of this thread likely dedicated to it….
Maybe I should have clarified, we all know you guys got the forum game on lockdown, we meant bring it IN GAME…rofl…
Please do bring it, in game. I never come across any cosa members that challenge me.
A bit of advice, key-turning and mouse-clicking skills will make it a bit difficult for you. May I suggest heading to queensdale and practicing how to play on npcs. You may see significant improvement in your ability.
ps: try and solo the npcs in queensdale and don’t call a zerg when a centaur kills you
Theres those legendary gankers now, 3v3 or outnumbered its tuck tail and run, anything less than their 3 and theyre on it like a fat kid on cake…Please instill some more of your sage smacktalk loll…….
I have absolutely no idea what you are saying. Did you mean to quote someone else? Did you accidentally delete multiple lines of your paragraph in order to produce that post? Please, do tell!
Oh man, I was gonna ignore this post, but then I saw this post that says the same thing I was essentially “hinting” at:
I was impressed with a KoM mesmer last night who wasn’t running away to safety when his HoD pugs scattered like roaches when 3 XOXO started downing them. He put up great fights all night and even when it got to be fairly zergy he and I always seemed to be having a 1v1 in the middle of 15-20 people. Was a lot of fun.
Was it a female sylvari? If so, he used to be on the opposing server when we were in t1 and we would have some fun small guild fights against his guild. He got sick of the perma-mega zergs in t1 as well and joined us here.
Human or Sylvari wearing a hood so I couldn’t tell.
Just wanted to pop in before a nap and say that NSP’s roaming groups are nothing to brag over. I’ve been doing a lot of roaming with my Ele friend, and I’m rarely impressed. I miss Yarr.
LOL SF roaming, gr8 joke
I be roaming da borders all day and night yo. We gonna dig our way in , essay.
Are you that SF guy that wanted to cyber with me and “wrap me up like a burrito”?
I was impressed with a KoM mesmer last night who wasn’t running away to safety when his HoD pugs scattered like roaches when 3 XOXO started downing them. He put up great fights all night and even when it got to be fairly zergy he and I always seemed to be having a 1v1 in the middle of 15-20 people. Was a lot of fun.
XOXO is as hard to impress as PAXA ’cept that one time when they liked that one guy!
XOXO will give everyone on GoM a legendary if they make it back to this tier so we can have some balanced matches again. If you need a reference on our ability to hand out legendarys ask Selene.
I was impressed with a KoM mesmer last night who wasn’t running away to safety when his HoD pugs scattered like roaches when 3 XOXO started downing them. He put up great fights all night and even when it got to be fairly zergy he and I always seemed to be having a 1v1 in the middle of 15-20 people. Was a lot of fun.
XOXO is as hard to impress as PAXA ’cept that one time when they liked that one guy!
GoM why must you taunt us so, we already miss you immensely.
I was impressed with a KoM mesmer last night who wasn’t running away to safety when his HoD pugs scattered like roaches when 3 XOXO started downing them. He put up great fights all night and even when it got to be fairly zergy he and I always seemed to be having a 1v1 in the middle of 15-20 people. Was a lot of fun.
Lets face the facts. Sf PVdoor’d for 3 months in tier 8, couldn’t even get out of tier 8 without massive QQing from thier server to Anet. There is no wonder why you guys just aren’t good. Gates don’t hit back.
One more tidbit , it seems your karma/xp/wxp trains from your first week here are gone. My guess is they can’t stand the stomach of the express waypoint service we at NSP provide. Therefore your weekday population is slowly dwindling.
I feel with each week we are getting stronger, can you say the same ?
If I snatch a mouse up, squeeze it til its eyes are about to pop out….Then slightly get tired/feel sorry/find something else to do and slowly relinquish my grasp….
Am I getting weaker or is the mouse getting stronger?
The mouse has herpes though. So I would get tested.
dear nsp that were in your bl for the past few hours,
on one hand i’d like to thank you for being so bad that you failed to retake bluelake without multiple walls for multiple hours.
on the other hand, why you gotta be SO bad that nearly the entire mend guild got bored and went to bed? now i have to go find other competent people to play with … or worse, go pve. this is unforgivable!
On the other hand, we were disappointed that you guys were so bad that with at least 3x our numbers you didn’t manage to make a scratch on hills or even get to the gate. All you managed to do was hold one little tower and get farmed, having far more casualties on your side then ours every fail bomb you tried.
Btw how do you portal bomb 5 people with a group of 20+ get 0 kills and have 3 people downed in the process?
Mend was a joke all night with the most obvious portals. We were laughing so hard everytime, perhaps having the mesmer stealth instead of walking up might increase the rate of success for you.
I was up to 21 sigil stacks fighting 5v20+ classic
You wouldn’t even go past that point. It was quite amusing.
It went on for hours, and at the beginning it was 5 of us for about 20-30 mins, and yes they tried to portal bomb us 5 and they got 0 kills from it and 3 of them went down.
We had more numbers coming and going but never near what you had.. Our group was just hanging out laughing farming bags.. I died twice on my Necro but filled all my bag slots so GG..
@ Havvik there was at least 20 portal bomb attempts by HOD..
I think your pictures are from round 2 – I took a few myself.
—edit in fact I know your pics are from round 2 because I was the one spamming /no to your taunts. Previous posts were talking about round 1 fyi.
I have video of round 2 if you want to claim we were embarrassed. Clearly shows us getting kills without a death against superior numbers and you guys running back to tower.
every port was used to destroy your siege, not to flank you. i’m pretty sure just about every one was successful.
i was downed twice, once resulted in death.
The siege we did have was up by gate and was all still up when I left after an hour of filling my bags.
You admit to getting downed twice in a fight with at least 3x the number as the other side while using portal bombs. These are the things you should deny not boast about.
dear nsp that were in your bl for the past few hours,
on one hand i’d like to thank you for being so bad that you failed to retake bluelake without multiple walls for multiple hours.
on the other hand, why you gotta be SO bad that nearly the entire mend guild got bored and went to bed? now i have to go find other competent people to play with … or worse, go pve. this is unforgivable!
On the other hand, we were disappointed that you guys were so bad that with at least 3x our numbers you didn’t manage to make a scratch on hills or even get to the gate. All you managed to do was hold one little tower and get farmed, having far more casualties on your side then ours every fail bomb you tried.
Btw how do you portal bomb 5 people with a group of 20+ get 0 kills and have 3 people downed in the process?
Mend was a joke all night with the most obvious portals. We were laughing so hard everytime, perhaps having the mesmer stealth instead of walking up might increase the rate of success for you.
I was up to 21 sigil stacks fighting 5v20+ classic
I’ve lost a lot of respect for [XOXO] after tonight. Not for inviting her into your guild, not for bribing her to your server, but for joining in on her theatrics. You’re talking about a girl who claims that she trained all of the commanders on the server. The person who thinks she’s the kitten and would often drop in to voice comms in order to do nothing but complain about how everyone else is bad and she’s absolutely fantastic. About the girl who is so afraid of us focus firing her for stabbing us in the back that she’s scurrying for gold so she can buy a makeover kit. I’m sure you’ll soon grow as tired of her drama queen act as we all were, but she was still one of us, so until then, I hope you don’t mind that all of HoD will be hunting you.
Theatrics? Perhaps you mean stuff like throwing a hissy fit on forums because someone changed servers?
Just WOW amazing fights tonight… 3 way at SM NSP in one corner HoD in another and SF holding it down… pics will explain. Some how we managed to fight em off pretty long battle but EPIC.
Yeah those NSP small roaming groups are hard to spot
sidenote: I am ready to embrace smaller groups…the NSP zerg is spottable by the skill lag I am getting half across teh map lol…thats a huge group
The same could be said of all server. I was wondering how you guys play or see anything on the north bay fight, it was almost unplayable for me and some of my teammate .
Honestly you kinda just press what you know you should and hope it works lol…
It truly saddens me to see Varconi attacking one of my guildmates and my guild after posting a video (sorry for the call-out) I know Varconi can be reasonable but when you attack ones guilds or guildmates it gives your guild a bad reputation.
In my defense I didn’t start attacking anyone in your guild I was in a trolly mood and someone else made a post about the skills being used. I merely said pink guardian repeatedly.
If it makes you feel any better the first or second day of this match I joined a COSA thief’s party and told him he was the worst player ever for the sole purpose of making his guild hate me. I find that I get more joy out of killing someone from COSA or PvP now that we have created this fake hostility, I am positive they enjoy killing me 100xs more than some random.
I expect to get corpse jumped and emoted on when I die it makes me smile that killing me is a highlight.
I also admire the kill and do not tell motto of PAXA. It makes me respect your guild more. But, I think XOXO and PAXA are trying to enforce their “split for the zerg and come fight us as small groups” a bit aggressively. Example: saying that “people who zerg are mindless”, “you guys just press 1 to win”, “get some skill and come 5v5.” Not exact quotes but the just of it. This not only aggravates people but also scares off some people who want to try roaming around and fighting you guys.
You realize that PAXA has offered help to anyone who was interested in trying to learn small group play? Promoting small group play is the goal of all those who enjoy this style.
As for the first part about pressing 1 to win and zergs being mindless, if you can tell me how pressing 1 in a zerg is not “mindless” I am ready to read a well thought out response. Some people play to relax and want a mindless experience we are reaching out to people who are interested in an engaging experience where every split second decision you make matters.
I find it hilarious that everyone is complaining about SF zerging, this came as quite the shock when these kind people came from behind me. I was so shocked that I didn’t know how to react! According to the forums no one else zergs aside from us, so you’ll of course see my utter shock!
First of all, that SS shows only about 10-15 people at most. Secondly we have all agreed that all of the servers run zergs. Another person who completely misses the concept of the discussion at hand.
Congratulations sir, you completely nailed my point. Every server runs a zerg so people need to get over it and stop complaining.
Congratulations sir, it isn’t your point when it was argued long ago. As per the “zerg” you speak of I have never heard a single world complaining about 10-15 man “zergs” on SF in fact most of us on NSP and HoD pray for the times that we can find groups that size.
My point is would that win in Madden mean anything to you if you were playing against a 2 year old who could barely press the buttons let alone provide any kind of strategic or technical challenge. And would you still try as hard to pull off that win rather then just having fun playing against said 2 year old and just messing around.
Not ashamed of admitting I would still try hard against a 2 year old just to win.
Meaningless scoreboard or not, just knowing that at least one person feels disappointed or hurt from not winning makes it worth it to me.
I would cheat to beat a 2 year old. Little kittens can’t be trusted till they are real people.
In all honesty, they have a point about the scoreboard meaning nothing. But when I play madden or an nhl game online or omfgcodblkopz. I get nothing for winning… Yet , I still want to win. That’s how I feel about this game.
As a matter of fact I want to win at every game I play for the sole fact that I’m just……. Winning.
Does this game cater to zergs , yep! Do I prefer to run in zergs , nope!
But if my server needs me or anyone in XOXO to crank up the timewarp/taxi service for golems.. well we bring all 10 mesmers to help!
I guess I suck , but hey, I do have TW and portal bound to keys!
A win is not a win when there was no competition to begin with. How can this concept be any simpler? It’s not opinion. We are only calling it a win because there is a scoreboard in the game, but it is really not.
It’s like I could challenge my 8 and 9 year old kids to a basketball game with a regulation hoop and dunk it on them for a 21-0 shut out and say I won. But is this really a “win”?
A win is a win when a game that requires a winner is played and said winner satisfies the rules to end the game as the declared winner. That is also what you would call a simple concept. There is no tie mechanism as far as I know.
We still win gold medals in Olympic Basketball even though the competition is non-existent. Do you win in video poker?
That is why it is an opinion and not fact. You can keep talking about simplicity or no competition all you want, but that does not negate that what you consider a win (or not a win) is an opinion.
Here is a fact we are all losers. There can be only one winner and since all the servers are directly linked if you are not winning T1 you are in fact a total loser. Keep playing for 19th place.
Clearly my eyes are deceiving me I will trust you over what I watched.
Give me a timestamp at which point PAXA visibly downs or kills someone. Prove your point with facts instead of adwords and injecting bias beforehand.
Anyway, the end point was that we wanted to fight PAXA, but they turned tail and didn’t show up again that night, so it was dissapointing. No one said anything about them failing or us owning them.
You are claiming that noone gets downed in your video? ROFL watch it again try 10 secs in for the first revive to pop up wait a few more for the others.
If you honestly believe you bested PAXA in this fight congrats. Next time though can I suggest just saying you smoked them even odds and they left map and leave it at that instead of providing video evidence to show what really occurred. Keep explaining how you saw it but anyone who watched that clip can clearly see it was not even close to even odds and they got more kills than your group did.
Again, when Piiz posts the first half, you’ll see just exactly how many ‘kills’ PAXA got, which was zero. The dead and downed were from NSP earlier as we broke in.
Clearly my eyes are deceiving me I will trust you over what I watched.
Learn to count? You can see 10 green names(all with different guild tags so they are not clones) in the opening frame alone, plus the 5 in your group.
After looking there’s about 7 green names that are still alive, this make us 12 in Bluelake vs your 9-10. Also noticed how you attacked us before we owned the tower discrediting your RI Champion 1-shot claim.
If you honestly believe you bested PAXA in this fight congrats. Next time though can I suggest just saying you smoked them even odds and they left map and leave it at that instead of providing video evidence to show what really occurred. Keep explaining how you saw it but anyone who watched that clip can clearly see it was not even close to even odds and they got more kills than your group did.
Weird thing 1 ND guild transfer and 2 PVP guild transfers to our server. They were with us fighting at SF spawn in our BL last night. Will never turn away anyone who wants to transfer, but one has to wonder, “Is it genuine that they wanted a change of scenery, OR is it one of the new TACTICS SF has been trying out?”
Also to the guild leaders of ND and PVP:
If a guildie transfers to a rival server what are your policies? Guesting is one thing, a complete paid transfer is another. Heck even if you are thinking of getting away from the zerg server and looking to have more fun with us by moving the whole guild this way, I am cool with that too. But if it is a way to spy on our movements, much shame.
To be fair, if one of my guildies has transferred to another server that we are fighting, its an instant kick from the guild.
The ND thief that came over seems cool was bsing with him last night. I doubt highly that SF needs or would want to have spies for such a lopsided match and they will be in a higher tier soon enough so those transfers are a total waste if that was the case.
P.S. sorry for the bad editing
P.P.S. paxa might want to watch it
This is your big paxa fail? I count atleast 15 guys there, plus npc commander which can 1 shot people and actually did to one of the paxa guys. So 15 plus commander vs their 5 and you expected them to win?
Forgetting to mention how many dead SF players are clearly visible on screen.
Hey breh, dont you think 2 locked threads is enough already? If PAXA wants to recruit in the match up thread then let em, dont get twisted over it. Sure yall were ripping each other apart last thread but that was the last thread, take a different path this time, dont keep doing what you all were doing.
Yeah im being that guy.
We weren’t ripping each other apart we love each other. He only hits me to show how much he loves me.
And the hilarious thing with your original post is you guys are trying to recruit for WvW.. Lmao. Failed Spvp crews are hilarious in their mentality.
Sidebar to this: I do wish ANET would make some sPVP maps for those kind of people that enjoy the open world 5v5 or 1v1, 3v3 etc….I am sure that people with that style of play do not enjoy sPVP because it requires capping points to “win” a match, whereas the typical “deathmatch” style does not.
Then at least people that feel like WvW is lacking for them, or that refuse to participate in the capping/defending/escorting/sieging (the main) aspects of WvW would have somewhere to go and not be open to ridicule.
You are dead on with the reason we don’t like spvp deathmatch would be fun but again the gear limitations in spvp also detract from it for some of us. You can be much more creative with builds in wvw than in spvp.
I think you have missed the entire point yet again it isn’t an issue of fair. Anything that is not abusing game mechanics is fair. The point we make is simply that it doesn’t require skill.
People who run 5 man groups in WvW are failed Spvp’ers merely looking to pat that bruised ego. Why else roam about killing under lvled/geared/non experienced with Spvp or pvp players? Get off your high horse, you’re just as bad as everyone you whine about. Stop trying to belittle others into your way of playing. You may get off on feeling some sort of accomplishment killing noobs in WvW, but we all know you lacked the skill for Spvp.
sPvP is not about 5v5 fights it is about 1v2 2v2 1v1 fights and standing in a circle. Some people find it less dynamic than open world fighting. Also the builds that work in sPvP are limited compared to options in wvw with the broader gear setups and food bonuses. To each their own.
If these 5 man groups you speak of lack the skill to sPvP where do you stand with 40 man groups doing the same thing. Can I assume you are 8x as terrible as the small groups?
Our guild is PAXA (ex-daoc 8manners). We run a 5 man almost every night focused primarily on killing players. We are looking for someone to fill our 5th spot as a full support/heal guardian (basically using staff and hammer). We have our full group established already; this is purely to fill a void in the group. This is also more of a hardcore focused group than what GW2 often presents. Currently PAXA sits in Henge of Denravi. We understand Xfering isn’t super easy at the drop of a hat and are willing to help someone vested in the opportunity.
There will be a trial program at first running with our group to see if there is chemistry with our team. Please send me a PM or respond to this post if you are interested in a killing focused group. We run NA week nights from 7 cst to about 11 or 12 cst. Weekends we usually have a few on to muster a team but isn’t focused as much as the weeknights.
I can think of a certain pink Norn guardian who is excellent with staff play. You can find a video of him pwning noobs in the previous thread. I believe he is in the leet guild PvP. Good luck.
Awww… When someone starts to edit others in quotes you know they’re about to /wrists. Go lay down, let the rage and humiliation subside, this is after all just pixels.
I simply removed the babble and got to the core.
Or you’re just letting your rage seep through to your posts. Its okay, you never had a shot.
Don’t let this fall into a umadbro level. I will allow you to make a post and we will disregard that last one.
hey man all I said was that PVP are baddies. You can say that about us all you like but SF is a great server, you know why? because when it came time to work together, we stop and questioned our selves do we want to be stuck to t8/t7 with what forces we have or do we want to strive for something bigger and so we would need to work together, the answer was clear, you may not know it because supposedly you two have done it where TA left you in a kitten hole and you are expressing that anger towards every other kitten hole server that comes along, however the difference is that we have learned to move on and you just want to stick to that elitist mind frame.
Good Luck in a higher tier you no doubt belong there. I have nothing against PvP but when they keep biting I am going to keep tossing out my bait.
P.S. you suck
Sure thing boss =) tell us something we didn’t know
How does logic come into play with assumptions? You’re whiny. You’re blatantly a coward as you’re trying to backpedal away from me shows..This is all I know of NSP., safe assumption to believe you are one. And once again your use of logic is a failure.
Please take note of the quote of mine you use. Keep working on it.. You’ll get better.
If we are going to judge players by their server is it safe for me to assume you are a terrible player?
That’s a silly idea; our server is our home. You wouldn’t betray your home/family would you? There is something you guys must realize. WvW is not about even fights/fairness, it is about winning the match of the week. Shockingly enough, we in SF absolutely love winning, and we plan to keep on winning until we encounter foes that actually are our superiors, and if we must battle our way through the tiers, then so be it.
Nope, it’s about fun. Sorry to burst your bubble.
That is the point they keep missing. For some, myself included, goading people into responses on forums is part of that experience. I wish to thank all those who have assisted me in this.
I don’t want to get all mushy but please do not take anything personally, clicking is a natural progression in playing games. Everyone started clicking and I have played MMO’s with players far better than me who had nothing bound, it is just used as a general measure of where someone is in their gaming experience.