Guild Wars 2

I think a potentially VERY simple fix to stealth mechanics as they are currently implemented is to show damage numbers on an invisible player. So when I’m flailing around and manage to actually hit something, I’ll know! This would also include DOTs, so, like in other MMOs, DOTs are a counter to stealth since they would help you find their position.

Yeah, maybe. At the very least I /ignore them as a commander. If I don’t engage them, it seems like most people will ignore them as well. Too much stress already without having to deal with trolls!

Dovgan.8605:

AR seems to have a new development in EBgrounds. A small group of players constantly doing whatever they can to redirect, confuse, and distract players in /t chat. If these players belong to either of the other servers it would hardly surprise me. They have made it difficult to command, completely clog up the chat window and are an overall nuisance to the server. If these guys do belong to BP or NSP, well played, it’s making it nearly impossible and unplayable in EB when you have a decent sized group misdirecting, confusing new players and trolling commanders to the point they do not even want to command on that map.

Honestly, if they are that disruptive – try to get your guys to all /ignore that player. Permanently shut them out of the community if they are going to be like that.

Cogadh.1845:

Just my 2 cents. Make alternative builds more interesting. Thief was the profession I started with and had planned to make my main. My idea was that he was a utility profession, lots of fun tools at his disposal, helping out people, CC etc. Sadly I eventually discovered that the way the thief turned out was another insane burst stealth class.

It’s thief, not assassin. It’s personal opinion, but I’ve always detested design choice for classes that were based around extremely high burst and stealth, even since my Daoc days. Stealth should be situational, not a near constant ability.

Break away from the stealth/huge damage road and give thieves more fun and viable playstyles.

This.

The constant stealth mechanic is broken. Stealth should be situational so as to get you into good positioning to engage or perhaps disengage. It should not be a method by which you engage in combat with someone. If you are in combat, stealth should not be a viable option.

It doesn’t even make sense if you think about it… how can you stealth when you’re two feet away from me? That’s not stealth, that’s a cloak of invisibility. If the core concepts of a thief and stealth are actually examined logically, the current implementation of these mechanics are not legitimate. I.e. It’s a thief, not an assassin; stealth is not invisibility. Look at how thieves are played in PvE vs how thieves are played in PvP/WvW. Given there are some inherent differences between the two game modes, you can see a vastly different style of play. I’d argue the PvE thief is more representative of how the class was intended to be played, while the PvP/WvW thief is some kittenization of that.

Good fights over the last couple days.

Made up a small video of a couple tower defenses that Ascension was a part of yesterday. First part is of an Ascension 5-man defending Veloka that we managed to ninja from NSP. The second is of a night-time tower defense in AR where we tried to bait both AR and NSP into fighting us.

Enjoy!

Catisa.6507:

Nice try at ARBL Hills BP … close but no cigar. You had the numbers but failed on the tactics.

Ah… I don’t think you guys being able use a way-point to a contested keep equates to having better tactics than us Mind you, we promptly took your keep in NSP’s BLs afterwards…

Dovgan.8605:

Thank you Borlis players, I haven’t actually commanded in a long while, thanks for helping me knock the rust off in EB. Man I don’t remember it being so chaotic…

Yah we had some good back and forths this evening. I was commanding for BP in EB until about 10pm EST. You were able to pull together some good numbers out of no where! I know we had a queue, but it felt like we were constantly outnumbered, and I had to make some advanced maneuvers to take two of your towers as punishment for wandering into our corner…

AwwGee.5628:

Possibly offensive? Don’t use it at all or it’s a risk.

I was not aware this name would result in a ban. I can see now that it is illegal under the TOS. I admitted to this error in judgement.

AwwGee.5628:

Subjective perception. Justice and fairness differs in every culture. The culture of the punishments in this game is simply not in line with what you perceive you should be punished for. Not unjust.

You’re not going to get anywhere by appealing to emotions of fairness and justice.

I suppose that whole argument is subjective. Is it not subjective for you to suggest that there is no true definition of “just” ? I would furthermore argue that you are wrong in that judgement, and would refer you to countless number of philosophers who have tackled this issue; notably: Plato’s allegory of the Just city.

Moreover, a perception that is accepted by the majority would have more force than the one accepted by a minority correct? History has proven this to be the case.

AwwGee.5628:

Harmless? Not harmless enough if it warranted a change. And how exactly would anet make those distinctions? Based on their feelings? Based on what the player tells them? For all they know you could have intended to harm, and thought you could get away if it wasn’t too severe or strong. Whose word do they believe?

Blanket restriction eliminates loopholes that offenders can jump through.

In my responses to Michael I have laid out the ways that Anet can makes these distinctions. For example: If I simply say, “Poop,” I am not intending to cause any harm. I think that is fairly clear regardless of your culture. A 3 year old may be scolded for using potty language, but beyond that you will never cause psychological harm to a person for using that word. On the other hand, racist and other derogatory terms and phrases are clearly used to harm another person’s psyche. This is a line that is clearly drawn and is reasonable to adhere to.

Blanket punishments by Anet are lazy and reflect poor customer service. In real life it would reflect the same thing. Would it be appropriate to send every person to jail for 3-days for stealing? No. What is the point of sending a 5 year old to jail for taking a pack of gum? I think we could all agree that the punishment there would be disproportionate to the crime.

AwwGee.5628:

Contact support.
Could have been avoided by simply PMing a staff member on the lines of ‘Hi, I believe my name has the potential to be offensive and would like to change it. I’m not sure how to do so, could you point me in the right direction?’

Just because you were not provided with an automated solution does not mean it is not available.

This option is not clearly stated anywhere. There are no clearly stated ways to have a name changed. To suggest that it is otherwise clear or straightforward is wrong. I think Michael agreed with me on this point. Had I been aware that this was an option I may have pursued it. I was under the impression that name changes were not allowed.

AwwGee.5628:

People pay money to enter hotels. They can still be kicked out when in violation of expectations. They reserve the right to refuse service.

Respect is earned, not given. You have an inappropriate name – what’s there to respect about that?

As I pointed out in previous posts, your hotel argument is flawed. Yes, the hotel reserves the right to remove you from the premises if you violate their rules. But generally speaking, if a tenet complains about the noise coming from your room, you are given a warning and a chance to correct your behavior without confrontation. That is good customer service. If one was abruptly thrown out for being too loud, that would be considered poor customer service and you would likely never do business with that hotel ever again. Indeed, you would likely complain about your treatment, and likely have the right to.

Within GW2, a player can earn respect by investing in the game and playing the game within the TOS without incident. I have been playing the game since BWE1. One incident should afford you a respectful warning and a request for a behavior change. Is that too much to ask? Am I wrong to believe that is the way customer service should be approached? Would you term Anet’s responses as reasonable and not heavy-handed? I cannot believe that is the case.

Michael.4791:

Part 1: I still doubt that your visitors are allowed to do anything they want. But if you don’t like that example, I would suggest you take a cinema, a restaurant or a public swimming pool. In each of this places you are the one to pay and you are asked to follow the rules or else to leave the property.

If my kid is running along the poolside, the pool attendants (as well as myself) would ask the child to stop running. I would not be thrown out. If someone complains of my party swearing at a restaurant, I would be asked to more carefully consider my language. In both situations, yes, the establishment has the right to throw me out; but, in the interest of good customer service I am given a warning and asked to correct my behavior first.

Part 2: If a name was against the rules, Anet does not know if it was by accident or intentional. All they see, is something against their rules. What are rules made for, if anybody can claim that his first mistake has to be taken lightly. And don’t forget it is a 72 hour suspension. No more, no less. That is not worth fighting for. Just because of our discussion here some will learn how to do better or to open a ticket to support and saying “sorry, but I choose a bad name”. Somebody who is doing that, would get a name change and NO suspension (IMHO).

As I suggested before, it is not unreasonable to divine the intention of someone’s offensive name. If I used the word “poop” in my name, I find it highly unlikely that I’m trying to offend someone. Rather it’s just a silly, unseemly name. Is it against the TOS? Yes. Should that person be banned for 3 days? I don’t think so, unless it was a repeat offense.

I think I can legitimately claim this is my first offense. I’ve never been banned or suspended from any game I’ve ever played. Much less in Guild Wars 2. Anet has the ability to check if this is my first offense or not. I would expect stricter punishment for repeat offenders to the tune of a 3 day suspension or more.

I do agree that this is useful discussion in regards to possible solutions. I had absolutely no idea that I could report myself to support in order to secure a name change without any consequences. I would have probably done so had I known this to be the case. I don’t personally believe that my name is truely offensive, but I will admit that a friend, who is much more active on the forums/reddit than I am, mentioned that it could be in breach of the TOS. I was worried that he might be right, but I was in no position to delete my character. I was unaware of any process where I could request to be renamed without punishment. I instead operated under the assumption that my name was okay, since I held it for a number of months with no incident.

I don’t rule out the fact, that I might fall victim to this trap sometime in the future myself. Because what is okay in one country or among one people, might be offending somewhere else. I don’t have all the rules of all the world in my head. If I think the name is okay and somebody is offended and Anet decides the other one is right – I will have to take it. No doubt about it, I would be angry about such a stupid thing happening to me, but this game is not only played in my hometown. Some foreign or even strange vulnerabilities have to be accepted.

Agreed. And I accept their judgement in this matter. I’m hoping to affect the future not the present.

Part 3. I have to admit, that this part of me was a wide shot. Maybe to far. I knew perfectly well, that we have been invited to discuss the topic here. Thus I know for sure, that the rules are at least softened a bit in this thread.
Nevertheless I can survive those rules. Anytime I join an online game, I accept the rules given. And other companies are not softening their approach to offenders too (like the reaction on cheaters of a very famous stormy publisher has shown). If Anet says, warnings are a waste of money, they have their reasons to do so. And I have no reason to doubt it.
We should not forget: they want to make money and they can do it only if most customers are satisfied.

Maybe it’s a waste of money. But it’s poor customer service, as can be seen by a number of real world examples I have given, where the right thing to do when confronted with a violation is the opposite of Anet’s policy. I will have to think long and hard about spending any more money on this game in the future if Anet chooses to treat their customers like this.

All I’m suggesting is a fair punishment system that takes into account severity of the violation as well as number of offenses. I don’t think that’s too much to ask. I doubt you can disagree with that sentiment.

Michael.4791:

You simply don’t understand.
1. Of course their rules and ways of living their rules is arbitrary. Don’t forget where you are. You are in THEIR house and thus you have to stick to THEIR rules. You would ask anybody else who is guest in your house to follow YOUR rules as well. No discussion. It’s the way things are done. And YOU want it to be that way in YOUR house too.

A poor example. People do not pay money to enter my house. They do not spend countless hours building my house. If they did, they would be afforded a certain amount of respect. This current policy is disrespectful to customers who otherwise have a sterling record and have cause no other disruptions in a game.

Michael.4791:

2. Their is no distinction to be made between beeing a bad guy intentionally or being wrong because of not knowing. First, Anet doen’t know about intentions, thus it cannot rule accordingly. Second, you are adult and you have to stand in for your actions. Third, no court will accept you to be innocent just because you didn’t know the law. Not knowing is no protection in a court of justice. Why should it count here?

Another poor point. Intention can clearly be divined from the name itself. In my example, the portion of my name amounted to little more than potty language. Is that illegal under the TOS? Yes. Was I using a racial slur, hateful speech, or otherwise derogatory language? No. That is where a line should be drawn.

To address your ignorance not being an defense, I will provide an example of the real world where it is such a defense. Say, that you’re driving down the road and you get pulled over by a police officer. You’re tail light is out. I’m sorry officer I didn’t know. You’re given a WARNING and asked to FIX IT IMMEDIATELY without any further incident. For Anet to say that giving warnings is a time sink, suggests poor customer service and laziness.

Michael.4791:

And last but not least, you are breeching the rules again: no discussion about decisions from support on the forums.
You will never learn, will you?

You are clearly pretty dense, as I state many times that I am not appealing my suspension through this post. Rather, I am drawing attention to a policy that is frankly draconian while using my situation as an example. That is all. I have not violated any forum rules. Moreover, we were invited to such complaints by the OP and I followed all the rules laid out in that post.

And as a forum member said above, the “warning” to which other players have expressed an entitlement is already present: in the User Agreement and the Rules of Conduct, which every player views and accepts before playing the game. At the point they breach either of those things, then the outcome is forewarned in the Conduct Breaches and Outcomes document. All found here.

I never said I was entitled to a warning. I understand the TOS and that I will not be given a warning; however, I do believe that is misguided way at approaching these sorts of problems. It’s a heavy handed and arbitrary way to treat your customers. I was trying to suggest that we look at this policy and consider alternative forms of action in the future, namely: give an in-game warning and an opportunity for a player to change their name. Had I been aware of my violation I would have happily agreed to change my character’s name if given the opportunity, without having to suffer an abrupt 3 day suspension of my account. As was said above, Anet is kindly offering us to pick our own names: but why does a 3 day suspension have to be attached to that? That is a severe blow to the time and money a player has invested in this product. Is that fair? Is that just? I believe that in many cases the 3-day suspension is a punishment that does not fit the crime.

Again, I am not posting to have my suspension lifted. I want to urge Anet and other other players to take a serious look at the current policies for player punishment. Is this fair? I don’t believe it is. It’s a blanket solution to customer service, and it is unbecoming to a company that has accomplished so many great things through this product. I think it is ridiculous that a 3-day suspension is given to an account for a single naming violation, let alone a single first time violation of most things in-game short of hacking, especially when the player is not given the tools to correct their behavior. Possible solutions to this in addition to being contacted in-game and being immediately given an opportunity to rename could include: Adding another tier of punishment that could include shorter account suspension times and/or a more gradual punishment scale; giving players an opportunity to rename their characters; or not allowing certain words to be used in player names to begin with (apparently “kitten” is filtered on the forums already, which is frankly ridiculous in itself as I consider that word no worse than “fart”. Both words are something 10 year old boys giggle at, but no adult would seriously take offense to. Had I known this while making a character that included that word, we wouldn’t be here.. but I digress). I just want to help make players aware of this overbearing policy. I personally had no idea how severely Anet punished its customers for innocent potty language. I hope that in the future the policy may be reviewed and that a more humane hand may be applied to moderation.

Thank you.

The current policy that governs all violations listed under the UA is a 72 hour suspension without any prior warning (they say the 72 hours suspension is your “warning”). I believe that this policy is unfair and arbitrary in many cases, and it reflects poor customer service.

I was recently suspended for having an inappropriate name. I agree, having reviewed the TOS, that my name could be construed as inappropriate and that action should have been taken. That being said, I do not think a 3-day suspension is appropriate. I posted in the account forums regarding this issue, but my concerns were largely ignored as the moderator likely thought I was another person whining about my name being taken away or being suspended, and brushed me off. This is not the case. As I said above, I understand the TOS and accept my punishment.

That does not mean my punishment is fair. Nor does it mean the current system is just.

I just want to copy the response I got from a moderator to my post.

I don’t consider your name “benign.” It’s not “probably” a violation of the UA and the Naming Policy, it is one! The name is not the worst in the world, that’s true. But it’s not a harmless name that wouldn’t be noticed by players; and clearly it was noticed because the name was reported to us.

I agreed it was a violation by your standards. I am more skeptical, personally, but that is difference in standards and I can accept that. It is “benign” in that it was a harmless, fictitious name that was never meant to harm anyone. I believe that is an important distinction to make, as there are names out there intended to hurt and insult others. This was not the case with my name. But, as will be seen, Anet does not currently make those distinctions.

Now, you seem to want to make a distinction between a poor name choice and a poor choice in in-game behavior. I don’t draw such a fine line. Because a poor name choice is undesirable in-game behavior.

Remember that display names are not filtered, no matter the filter settings chosen by a player. Display name and character names are “out there” for everyone to view. That is why we take poor choices seriously.

I can appreciate the reasons that you want to actively police player’s names. They are all good ones. But your failure to draw a line is concerning. As I mentioned above, my name was not directly meant to harm anyone. I didn’t draw attention to my name. The reason this is concerning is because you’re lumping well-meaning players who innocently made a naming mistake with people who conduct themselves in a much more negative light through their speech and actions. I can thinking of countless phrases that could be spammed in any public area that would be infinitely more offensive than my innocuous name, and would affect many more people: but the punishment for these two crimes is the same. To me that’s the difference between making a racist joke and joining the KKK. To lump those together seem clearly misguided, and it is not hard to reasonably draw a line between the two.

And don’t error in believing we don’t have the tools to take care of this issue. We could rename the character in a flash but we are showing consideration by allowing you to do it. Had you contacted Support to discuss the possibility of this being across the line prior to the action, we would have worked with you. But you did not.

I seem to be misunderstood here; I was not being clear enough in my argument that unlike in-game behavior that is always under a player’s control, you only get one chance to name your character. I named my character months ago, although I clearly did not having a full grasp of the TOS at the time. Had I realized that my name was inappropriate, what recourse am I afforded? There is no mechanic within the game, currently, that allows for a player to change their name or request a name change. I am sure that Anet has the power to change my name, but I, the player, do not. I cannot fix this violation of “in-game behavior” without severe consequences to my character’s progress. Alternatively, a player who harassed another player in chat has a number of opportunities to alter their behavior.

The “solution” provided here is lacking. This is another reason I believe that the 72 hour suspension is unreasonable.

And as a forum member said above, the “warning” to which other players have expressed an entitlement is already present: in the User Agreement and the Rules of Conduct, which every player views and accepts before playing the game. At the point they breach either of those things, then the outcome is forewarned in the Conduct Breaches and Outcomes document. All found here.

I never said I was entitled to a warning. I understand the TOS and that I will not be given a warning; however, I do believe that is misguided way at approaching these sorts of problems. It’s a heavy handed and arbitrary way to treat your customers. I was trying to suggest that we look at this policy and consider alternative forms of action in the future, namely: give an in-game warning and an opportunity for a player to change their name. Had I been aware of my violation I would have happily agreed to change my character’s name if given the opportunity, without having to suffer an abrupt 3 day suspension of my account. As was said above, Anet is kindly offering us to pick our own names: but why does a 3 day suspension have to be attached to that? That is a severe blow to the time and money a player has invested in this product. Is that fair? Is that just? I believe that in many cases the 3-day suspension is a punishment that does not fit the crime.

Again, I am not posting to have my suspension lifted. I want to urge Anet and other other players to take a serious look at the current policies for player punishment. Is this fair? I don’t believe it is. It’s a blanket solution to customer service, and it is unbecoming to a company that has accomplished so many great things through this product. I think it is ridiculous that a 3-day suspension is given to an account for a single naming violation, let alone a single first time violation of most things in-game short of hacking, especially when the player is not given the tools to correct their behavior. Possible solutions to this in addition to being contacted in-game and being immediately given an opportunity to rename could include: Adding another tier of punishment that could include shorter account suspension times and/or a more gradual punishment scale; giving players an opportunity to rename their characters; or not allowing certain words to be used in player names to begin with (apparently “kitten” is filtered on the forums already, which is frankly ridiculous in itself as I consider that word no worse than “fart”. Both words are something 10 year old boys giggle at, but no adult would seriously take offense to. Had I known this while making a character that included that word, we wouldn’t be here.. but I digress). I just want to help make players aware of this overbearing policy. I personally had no idea how severely Anet punished its customers for innocent potty language. I hope that in the future the policy may be reviewed and that a more humane hand may be applied to moderation.

Thank you. I hope that there can be some discussion on this issue.

The current policy that governs all violations listed under the UA is a 72 hour suspension without any prior warning (they say the 72 hours suspension is your “warning”). I believe that this policy is unfair and arbitrary in many cases, and it reflects poor customer service.

I was recently suspended for having an inappropriate name. I agree, having reviewed the TOS, that my name could be construed as inappropriate and that action should have been taken. That being said, I do not think a 3-day suspension is appropriate. I posted in the account forums regarding this issue, but my concerns were largely ignored as the moderator likely thought I was another person whining about my name being taken away or being suspended, and brushed me off. This is not the case. As I said above, I understand the TOS and accept my punishment.

That does not mean my punishment is fair. Nor does it mean the current system is just.

I just want to copy the response I got from a moderator to my post.

I don’t consider your name “benign.” It’s not “probably” a violation of the UA and the Naming Policy, it is one! The name is not the worst in the world, that’s true. But it’s not a harmless name that wouldn’t be noticed by players; and clearly it was noticed because the name was reported to us.

I agreed it was a violation by your standards. I am more skeptical, personally, but that is difference in standards and I can accept that. It is “benign” in that it was a harmless, fictitious name that was never meant to harm anyone. I believe that is an important distinction to make, as there are names out there intended to hurt and insult others. This was not the case with my name. But, as will be seen, Anet does not currently make those distinctions.

Now, you seem to want to make a distinction between a poor name choice and a poor choice in in-game behavior. I don’t draw such a fine line. Because a poor name choice is undesirable in-game behavior.

Remember that display names are not filtered, no matter the filter settings chosen by a player. Display name and character names are “out there” for everyone to view. That is why we take poor choices seriously.

I can appreciate the reasons that you want to actively police player’s names. They are all good ones. But your failure to draw a line is concerning. As I mentioned above, my name was not directly meant to harm anyone. I didn’t draw attention to my name. The reason this is concerning is because you’re lumping well-meaning players who innocently made a naming mistake with people who conduct themselves in a much more negative light through their speech and actions. I can thinking of countless phrases that could be spammed in any public area that would be infinitely more offensive than my innocuous name, and would affect many more people: but the punishment for these two crimes is the same. To me that’s the difference between making a racist joke and joining the KKK. To lump those together seem clearly misguided, and it is not hard to reasonably draw a line between the two.

And don’t error in believing we don’t have the tools to take care of this issue. We could rename the character in a flash but we are showing consideration by allowing you to do it. Had you contacted Support to discuss the possibility of this being across the line prior to the action, we would have worked with you. But you did not.

I seem to be misunderstood here; I was not being clear enough in my argument that unlike in-game behavior that is always under a player’s control, you only get one chance to name your character. I named my character months ago, although I clearly did not having a full grasp of the TOS at the time. Had I realized that my name was inappropriate, what recourse am I afforded? There is no mechanic within the game, currently, that allows for a player to change their name or request a name change. I am sure that Anet has the power to change my name, but I, the player, do not. I cannot fix this violation of “in-game behavior” without severe consequences to my character’s progress. Alternatively, a player who harassed another player in chat has a number of opportunities to alter their behavior.

The “solution” provided here is lacking. This is another reason I believe that the 72 hour suspension is unreasonable.

I have a question about a support policy. Why does an “inappropriate name” violation result in a 72 hours suspension on your first “violation”? I can see some wildly inappropriate names result in such a punishment, but I just received a ban for the name “Walakitten”, which is about as benign of a naming violation as they come.

I will admit that by the strict letter of the law, this name is probably a violation of the TOS. Upon further investigation, however, you can see that I have played under this name for a number of months and for many hours; it shares the name root as many of my character as well as my display name: Walabone. It is not much of a stretch to imagine how I threw an “r” at the end of my alt.

Now, I will accept a required name change happily and I will accept my punishment. If someone truly has an issue with my character’s name, I am happy to change it; however, I’m not sure why I need a 72 hour suspension to think over the error of my ways in this case. Would not a simple note requesting that I change my name suffice? The punishment here does not fit the crime.

Moreover, after putting many hours over many months of work onto this character, there is no solution to my violation. It is not as if my in-game behavior was inappropriate and I needed to settle down; that is a problem that can be actively corrected by the player. A naming violation is different. I have no way to change an “inappropriate name”. Say, I was warned by a friend, who had better knowledge of the TOS than I, that my name could be construed as inappropriate, I have absolutely no recourse for correcting this issue without losing all of my character progress.

I do not think that it is just to ban someone for their first and only character violation when tools are not in place for you to correct this violation. I believe the current system, now that I’ve experienced it first hand, is arbitrary and unjust. Until players have the tools to correct potentially inappropriate names without the negative side effects, a player should be issued a warning e-mail or in-game mail notifying him/her of the name that was flagged as inappropriate and be given the opportunity to change the name. All of this can be accomplished amicably with little confrontation (if there is confrontation then that would be an appropriate time to place a suspension). I respectfully request that this issue be taken into consideration. The current policy is simply unfair in its current form.

Oozo.7856:

Here comes honesty. If you don’t like it, I’m sorry.

Kaineng “zergs” have been the easiest to handle in terms of just straight up killing. That goes all the way back to T8 and judging from last night, nothing has changed there. There are just more zerglings to deal with.

Maguuma “zergs” have been the hardest to handle since they have some leaders and scouts that people actually listen to, are on voice together, and act cohesively.

Good luck AD, kick some kitten

Dovgan.8605:

“we’re just better than you.” Glad to see the tier 5 spanking hasn’t changed some of BP’s players poor attitudes. By the way, was the rematch against Yak’s Bend as epic as you guys thought? Oh lord, your players produce comedy gold!

Lol… chill out dude. It’s a joke.

There was supposed to be a paid transfers system in place at launch. This current system was a poorly thought out substitute to the guesting system failure. This really shouldn’t be news to you.

Sadly there is no clear timeline presented. They’ve been promising a lot of that since launch and it still hasn’t happened.

Mortalitas.9710:

Honestly they should close the thread just like Maguuma probably wishes no one from BP transferred to their server now. It is a game smack talk is cool and helps blow off steam. But getting kitten over losing people or people talking trash is childish. It goes both ways. Hate each other that’s cool look for tags while in WvW then smash their face. But leave the crap in game! I’m guilty also for saying BP is frat boy mentality I apologize.

Honestly, at the end of the day – that’s all it is – we’re talking a little smack. I don’t believe that any of these posts in this thread have gotten personal, but all relate to the matchup this week. It’s a game, and I think that a little rivalry is a good thing for WvW and GW2. I don’t hate anyone in WäR, I’m sure they are all good guys. BUT – I’m still going to give them a hard time for running away :-P

Tricare.2946:

So I guess 10-15 people is considered a zerg to you, because that’s all we run with normally. WäR would be happy to match numbers with you and go head to head, stop talking about it and lets do it.

P.S. Heres a video of a WAR running away http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lt8CYqRhFjU&feature=youtu.be

10-15 is more than we ever have. I’m not even going to try to say that our guys are all more skilled than yours, nor have I said so in the past, because individually we aren’t across the board. We work well as a team and get stuff done.

PS Here’s a thread about WaR running away: https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/pvp/wuvwuv/1-11-13-Maguuma-vs-Borlis-Pass-Devona-s-Rest

Deadlysage.5873:

Wow WAR has the nerve to talk trash when they transfered to BP not too long ago from another server. You guys are just trying to make a name for yourself on the forums, and you have a great start. You must be one of the guys that died in the video lol. Sorry if we hurt your lil feelings, get over it, it’s just a game.

PS: btw your not a second place server no more, so instead of typing on the forums maybe you should be commanding or something. I really could use some more kills.

Rofl. I was the Commander in your little “video.” I stayed on despite the odds, along with my guildies, and continued fighting in EB despite the overwhelming odds. Also, I would like to be playing Guild Wars right now, but sadly I have a job. The first scene, as testpig points out, shows us out manned and being attacked in your corner by not only a large Mag group but also a large group of DR as well as camp guards. Meanwhile, Evilzara was working on taking back territory close to our corner.

We’d love to fight your guild in the open field with equal numbers, but alas, we’re a small guild and our 5-10 members can’t muster zerg like your guys. Anyways, you’d probably transfer before we could kill you all :‘( I’ll throw down in a commander duel though.

P.S. WAR transferred from a WINNING server, Sanctum of Rall, to Borlis Pass, which was losing at the time. That was nearly two months ago. We look for a fight; we don’t run from it.

*Drops mic, walks away

Deadlysage.5873:

Videos speak the truth about both [WäR] and [WAR].
Check this out

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mR81yTN_Z88

Was that an attempt to show how you guys bailed from a second place server to the first place server mid-matchup in our tier, and then out zerged everyone on Friday night? while BP was fighting off both the massive Mag zerg – bolstered by our traitors – as well as DR?

Meanwhile WAR isn’t a fair weather guild and we’re fighting back, despite having no where near your numbers and facing overwhelming odds?

Thanks for pointing those differences out! Lemme dig up those SSs of WäR exploiting too, cause I think that will further show our differences!

Really, DR? Why on earth are you attacking BP in EB? Why can you not hit Mag? And I don’t mean SM.

Cactus.2710:

testpig.5018:

Can we please keep this clean.

And bring back the focus to the WvW fight.

I fully agree.

-2nd place, and 3rd place servers(currently BP & DR ) need to stop attacking each other, and start attacking the team with the most control over the map.

Uhh … because that worked so well last time? I suspect that if either of us had the discipline and coordination to pull that off within our respective servers we wouldn’t need it in the first place.

Hey, it could work. Had a couple fun fights with some AD guys roaming around in Maguuma BLs – but when some Maguuma players came to ruin the fun we both started attacking Maguuma and leaving each other alone.

Fight the power!

Bunzy.8674:

Walabone.6713:

Bunzy.8674:

Walabone.6713:

Bunzy.8674:

Walabone.6713:

@Karlesi : I’m down dude. I’m always up for a little fun. Hit me up in-game?

next minute you end up losing lol

Where were you at Bunzy? Too scared?
We had some nice duels it was fun! I think he won the best of 5, but it was pretty even all in all.

You lost to our ranger and now you want to challenge me?

Scared?

You really didn’t learn anything from our ranger stomping you.

Stomping me? When did that happen? Sure, he beat me a few times in a for-fun duel. I didn’t know we were playing for the Cup or I would’ve brought a 1v1 build!

Let it be known that Bunzy is scare of a fight

Bunzy.8674:

Walabone.6713:

Bunzy.8674:

Walabone.6713:

@Karlesi : I’m down dude. I’m always up for a little fun. Hit me up in-game?

next minute you end up losing lol

Where were you at Bunzy? Too scared?
We had some nice duels it was fun! I think he won the best of 5, but it was pretty even all in all.

You lost to our ranger and now you want to challenge me?

Scared?

Bunzy.8674:

Walabone.6713:

@Karlesi : I’m down dude. I’m always up for a little fun. Hit me up in-game?

next minute you end up losing lol

Where were you at Bunzy? Too scared?
We had some nice duels it was fun! I think he won the best of 5, but it was pretty even all in all.

@Karlesi : I’m down dude. I’m always up for a little fun. Hit me up in-game?

Rhoto.8791:

Walabone.6713:

Kinda expected more from OG considering how much they talk on these forums… was pretty disappointed when I finally ran into them. 3 thieves exploiting culling issues? A pretty bad warrior (though nice legendary sword!)? And an D/D ele? Yawn.

Congrats though! You finally killed me as I started lagging

LOL, I wasn’t there and I didn’t have to be to know exactly what happened, Your zerg ran into a group of OG, you managed to kill one OG so you took a snapshot. Same thing with the second shot. There is a commander icon and swords right next to you in both screenshots.

No Name warrior trying to make a name for himself posting screenies of dead OG. I’m starting to see a trend here….

What zerg? Oh, that’s right, you weren’t there so you have no idea what you’re talking about. I guess I had a couple guildies in the zone with me, most of them running on lowbies. At worst it was even numbers at any given point, and my guildmates watching me wreck your guys. Most of the time it was me fighting against all 4 of your guys who were trying to kill me cuz I embarrassed them too many times

P.S Yah, not the thieves fault, just pulling their chains :-P
PPS I also have 4 SSs of dead OG. I started taking them after I kept killing OG so much and they wouldn’t leave me alone!
PPPS Snack is bored cuz I killed that OG guy too fast he didnt even get a chance to help

Kinda expected more from OG considering how much they talk on these forums… was pretty disappointed when I finally ran into them. 3 thieves exploiting culling issues? A pretty bad warrior (though nice legendary sword!)? And an D/D ele? Yawn.

Congrats though! You finally killed me as I started lagging

testpig.5018:

all of his suggestions makes this game turn into the failure that WARHAMMER online is.

QFT

Fiction.6418:

Having a good deal of fun this week, hats off to everyone.. especially all the borlis pass zergs that fed badges to my 4 man guild group. <3 the rare nights when I get a guild group going. My mesmer is now broken in.

Your guys are tough! I got into a 1v1 with one your Ele’s, and predictably I lost (not really spec’d well for fighting Ele’s atm), but it was a great fight. I have no doubt you ripped through some of BPs numbers out there.

Good fights in Devona’s BL.

Just wanted to post a quick video that a guildie made of a fight we had in EB a couple days ago: http://youtu.be/CX5GSak8ixY

We BARELY managed to wipe a large DH force that had been battling us back and forth for a while.

Good fights Keep it up!

No chat. As others have said – Actions speak louder than words

I very much want to see enemy names included in the WvW experience. I think Anet has repeatedly said, “No.” BUT I would like the say that knowing who I am fighting against in previous games, such as Warhammer Online, was one of the most enjoyable aspects of the Open PvP. There was an Add-on called The Book of Grudges, and it kept track of every person you ever killed (as well as every person you died to). It was a lot of fun to create some imagined rivalries between yourself and opposing players (heck some friendships were even formed over these grudges!).

Anyone notice that once Ascension transferred to BP we’ve been winning alot? Coincidence? Anyways, we’ve been having a ton of fun with these matchups. Don’t get discouraged. Fighting the good fight is what it’s all about.

Thanks for the info guys Testpig and I, amongst others, will be looking into your servers more for a possible transfer.

Yeah, since they can’t balance any match ups due to server transfers – why not just go back to 24 hours matches? That way I only have to avoid WvW due to the 1-sided matches every few days, not for an entire week.

Really easy fix to the current WvW issues. Until free transfers are curbed, there is no reason to do week long matches. You’re essentially making half the game unplayable with the terrible match ups that are being generated.

At the very least manually do the matches. I run a small gaming league for an old q3 MOD (Urban Terror) and I manually do the matches every week. Takes me about an hour for each division. Surely you have some intern on your staff that you can task with this duty until you fix the problems plaguing WvW. It’s not that hard, trust me.

WvW is complete broken, imo, due to server transfers. It is utterly unplayable for both servers that are roflstomping as well as those who are getting stomped. This is a severe problem for the game, since WvW is essentially the end game of GW2 – and the end game is unplayable. Hence, I’m not playing your game, because I have absolutely no desire to do WvW with these kitteny match ups. Go back to 1 day matches or something cause ANet clearly kittened up – at least let me have fun in the game. There’s no reason at all to do week long matches as long as free server transfers exist.

Also find a fix for Queues. It’s a complex problem, but it’s absurd that the game is completely unplayable for me or my guildies on reset nights because of prohibitively long Q times. People set aside large amounts of time and family life to get a chance to play with their friends on Friday nights. And then are utterly disappointed. Absolutely terrible.

@gosu

I hope you don’t exist for my entertainment… cause you’re doing as a bad as job of that as capturing stuff in WvW.

Can Yak’s and GoM take something? I’m bored.

Yup, no news about it though. Not fixed with the latest patch as far as I can tell.

Anyone else experiencing this? Confirm / deny? Any more info? Completely breaks my build

As of the most recent patch, it appears as if Sigil of Intelligence is not correctly activating upon weapon switch. It used to show a buff when you switched weapons, but I no longer see this a majority of the time. Can’t find any pattern to when it activates or doesn’t.

I have auto attack off on my weapon so no skills are activated which would burn the Crit attack.

Traherene follows me, the researchers don’t.

Time for some creative problem solving AN… can we take thatkittenportion out of the game please? I haven’t been able to do this quest for over a week, and it’s the third time I’ve tried it. Not to mention it’s long and boring. I just want that POI in Straits of Devastation.